Other than the same ole' Trump rhetoric, and now Jeo B handler's copying same ole' said rhetoric, why can't one of these guys present a plan....
"lying thieving alternative" = same like DNC.
"non-lying theiving" alternative =
RFK Jr. breaks down his plan to end the border crisis “overnight”
“I’m gonna send 300 asylum court judges to the border. I’m gonna hire 2,000 new Border Patrol and I’m gonna improve the morale of the Border Patrol by allowing them to actually do their job.
I’m gonna end the catch-and-release program. I’m gonna re-instate the Migrant Protection Act, which requires individuals who come from other countries to Mexico with asylum claims seeking to get into the United States that they adjudicate those claims in Mexico, not in our country.
I’m gonna fix the fences, I’m gonna plug the 27 gaps in the wall. And then I’m gonna issue passport cards to all Americans who can’t afford them so that you can go to your post office [and] get a federally-issued photo ID. The ID’s not gonna have your medical records, it won’t have any other information, but we need government-issued ID that’s easily attainable so that everybody in this country can … show ID at a voting booth, everybody can show ID to get a job.
Right now, it’s illegal for employers to employ undocumented aliens. But there’s a loophole. The only thing they have to show is a Social Security card. Social Security cards are absolutely simple to fabricate. They have no photo on them, they’re passed hand to hand at worksites in New York, for example, construction sites, and employees are then paid in cash, and the employer is not liable because he says he saw the Social Security card.”
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@Midnight1
Other than the same ole' Trump rhetoric, and now Jeo B handler's copying same ole' said rhetoric, why can't one of these guys present a plan....
"lying thieving alternative" = same like DNC.
"non-lying theiving" alternative =
RFK Jr. breaks down his plan to end the border crisis “overnight”
“I’m gonna send 300 asylum court judges to the border. I’m gonna hire 2,000 new Border Patrol and I’m gonna improve the morale of the Border Patrol by allowing them to actually do their job.
I’m gonna end the catch-and-release program. I’m gonna re-instate the Migrant Protection Act, which requires individuals who come from other countries to Mexico with asylum claims seeking to get into the United States that they adjudicate those claims in Mexico, not in our country.
I’m gonna fix the fences, I’m gonna plug the 27 gaps in the wall. And then I’m gonna issue passport cards to all Americans who can’t afford them so that you can go to your post office [and] get a federally-issued photo ID. The ID’s not gonna have your medical records, it won’t have any other information, but we need government-issued ID that’s easily attainable so that everybody in this country can … show ID at a voting booth, everybody can show ID to get a job.
Right now, it’s illegal for employers to employ undocumented aliens. But there’s a loophole. The only thing they have to show is a Social Security card. Social Security cards are absolutely simple to fabricate. They have no photo on them, they’re passed hand to hand at worksites in New York, for example, construction sites, and employees are then paid in cash, and the employer is not liable because he says he saw the Social Security card.”
“The Sinaloa drug cartel is advertising on YouTube and TikTok all over the world: You pay $10,000 and they guarantee they can get you into our country. The people who come across, many of them have been robbed … extorted by the cartels. Anybody who thinks that this is a humanitarian enterprise is wrong. And then the Border Patrol has been asked not to do its job, but to transport all of these new immigrants, undocumented, to give each one an asylum court date that’s 7 years in the future, and then bring them to the Yuma Airport and put them on an airplane to any destination they want in the United States. If they don’t have the money, which many of them don’t because they’ve been robbed by the cartels on their way over, the Border Patrol pays for their ticket and gets reimbursement from FEMA. It’s literally the most insane thing I’ve seen a government do in my lifetime. Undocumented aliens are crushing the social safety net in our cities, the social services are overwhelmed. Yuma is a border town, and it is getting destroyed by this. The kindest people in the world there, I’m very, very proud of the Americans who are meeting these new immigrants with compassion, but it’s unfair to them and every city in our country is now a border town, because the number of immigrants coming across is destructive for our country.”
Thank you America
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“The Sinaloa drug cartel is advertising on YouTube and TikTok all over the world: You pay $10,000 and they guarantee they can get you into our country. The people who come across, many of them have been robbed … extorted by the cartels. Anybody who thinks that this is a humanitarian enterprise is wrong. And then the Border Patrol has been asked not to do its job, but to transport all of these new immigrants, undocumented, to give each one an asylum court date that’s 7 years in the future, and then bring them to the Yuma Airport and put them on an airplane to any destination they want in the United States. If they don’t have the money, which many of them don’t because they’ve been robbed by the cartels on their way over, the Border Patrol pays for their ticket and gets reimbursement from FEMA. It’s literally the most insane thing I’ve seen a government do in my lifetime. Undocumented aliens are crushing the social safety net in our cities, the social services are overwhelmed. Yuma is a border town, and it is getting destroyed by this. The kindest people in the world there, I’m very, very proud of the Americans who are meeting these new immigrants with compassion, but it’s unfair to them and every city in our country is now a border town, because the number of immigrants coming across is destructive for our country.”
The only thing they have to show is a Social Security card. Social Security cards are absolutely simple to fabricate. They have no photo on them, they’re passed hand to hand at worksites in New York, for example, construction sites, and employees are then paid in cash, and the employer is not liable because he says he saw the Social Security card.”
There's a little bit of clean up here. To obtain work, for I9 purposes, a worker must show a valid identification with a photo. In most cases, candidates supply 2 forms of identification where one is a Social Security Card and the other say a Driver License or Identification card, but the I9 does allow one document to be provided in List A. The law requires a document from List A or if you cannot supply a List A document you must supply a List B and List C document. In either event, a photo is required to gain employment. Obtaining any of these documents illegally is rather easy for immigrants because they are pointed where to go to obtain these working documents. This is the organization that I have been speaking of with the organized crime in the US and blatantly allowing illegal immigrants into the country. Some of these illegal immigrants have many forms of ID's and when one doesn't pass they go to their car and come in with another. It's quite sad and yet comical at the same time. For normal folk, like you and others, it would be hard to find someone to make fake documents for us, but for these people it is easy because they have known networks in place to go to and obtain these working documents. They have to really or how would they make money to pay for their coyotes or cartels that they may be working for.
Here is you hiring document Lists for I9 purposes. Must supply one from List A or one from each of List B and List C to be hired in the US:
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Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:
The only thing they have to show is a Social Security card. Social Security cards are absolutely simple to fabricate. They have no photo on them, they’re passed hand to hand at worksites in New York, for example, construction sites, and employees are then paid in cash, and the employer is not liable because he says he saw the Social Security card.”
There's a little bit of clean up here. To obtain work, for I9 purposes, a worker must show a valid identification with a photo. In most cases, candidates supply 2 forms of identification where one is a Social Security Card and the other say a Driver License or Identification card, but the I9 does allow one document to be provided in List A. The law requires a document from List A or if you cannot supply a List A document you must supply a List B and List C document. In either event, a photo is required to gain employment. Obtaining any of these documents illegally is rather easy for immigrants because they are pointed where to go to obtain these working documents. This is the organization that I have been speaking of with the organized crime in the US and blatantly allowing illegal immigrants into the country. Some of these illegal immigrants have many forms of ID's and when one doesn't pass they go to their car and come in with another. It's quite sad and yet comical at the same time. For normal folk, like you and others, it would be hard to find someone to make fake documents for us, but for these people it is easy because they have known networks in place to go to and obtain these working documents. They have to really or how would they make money to pay for their coyotes or cartels that they may be working for.
Here is you hiring document Lists for I9 purposes. Must supply one from List A or one from each of List B and List C to be hired in the US:
Form I-551, Permanent Resident Card or Alien Registration Receipt Card (commonly called a Green Card.) See Section 7.1, Lawful Permanent Residents for when a Permanent Resident Card is considered unexpired past the “Card Expires” date.
Foreign passport that contains a temporary I-551 (ADIT) stamp or temporary I-551 printed notation on a machine-readable immigrant visa (MRIV).
For nonimmigrant noncitizens authorized to work for a specific employer because of their status. This means they are authorized to be employed based on their nonimmigrant status and may present a foreign passport with Form I-94 bearing the same name as the passport and an endorsement of their nonimmigrant status, as long as the period of endorsement has not yet expired and the proposed employment is not in conflict with any restrictions or limitations identified on the form.
Passport from the Federated States of Micronesia (FSM) or the Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI) with Form I-94 indicating nonimmigrant admission under the Compact of Free Association Between the United States and the FSM or RMI
List B
Driver’s license or ID card issued by a state or outlying possession of the United States, provided it contains a photograph or information such as name, date of birth, gender, height, eye color, and address
ID card issued by federal, state, or local government agencies or entities, provided it contains a photograph or information such as name, date of birth, gender, height, eye color, and address (This selection does not include the driver’s license or ID card issued by a state or outlying possession of the United States in Item 1 of this list.)
School ID card with a photograph
Voter’s registration card
U.S. military card or draft record
Military dependent’s ID card
U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Card
Native American tribal document
Driver’s license issued by a Canadian government authority
For persons under age 18 who are unable to present a document listed above:
School record or report card
Clinic, doctor, or hospital record
Day care or nursery school record
List C
A Social Security Account Number card, unless the card includes one of the following restrictions:
NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT
VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH INS AUTHORIZATION
VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION
Certification of report of birth issued by the U.S. Department of State (Forms DS-1350, FS-545, FS-240)
Original or certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a state, county, municipal authority or outlying territory of the United States bearing an o?icial seal
Native American tribal document
Form I-197, U.S. Citizen Identification Card
Form I-179, Identification Card for Use of Resident Citizen in the United States
Employment authorization document issued by the Department of Homeland Security. For examples, see 13.3 List C Documents That Establish Employment Authorization. (This does not include Form I-766, Employment Authorization Document, from List A.)
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List A
U.S. passport or U.S. passport card
Form I-551, Permanent Resident Card or Alien Registration Receipt Card (commonly called a Green Card.) See Section 7.1, Lawful Permanent Residents for when a Permanent Resident Card is considered unexpired past the “Card Expires” date.
Foreign passport that contains a temporary I-551 (ADIT) stamp or temporary I-551 printed notation on a machine-readable immigrant visa (MRIV).
For nonimmigrant noncitizens authorized to work for a specific employer because of their status. This means they are authorized to be employed based on their nonimmigrant status and may present a foreign passport with Form I-94 bearing the same name as the passport and an endorsement of their nonimmigrant status, as long as the period of endorsement has not yet expired and the proposed employment is not in conflict with any restrictions or limitations identified on the form.
Passport from the Federated States of Micronesia (FSM) or the Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI) with Form I-94 indicating nonimmigrant admission under the Compact of Free Association Between the United States and the FSM or RMI
List B
Driver’s license or ID card issued by a state or outlying possession of the United States, provided it contains a photograph or information such as name, date of birth, gender, height, eye color, and address
ID card issued by federal, state, or local government agencies or entities, provided it contains a photograph or information such as name, date of birth, gender, height, eye color, and address (This selection does not include the driver’s license or ID card issued by a state or outlying possession of the United States in Item 1 of this list.)
School ID card with a photograph
Voter’s registration card
U.S. military card or draft record
Military dependent’s ID card
U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Card
Native American tribal document
Driver’s license issued by a Canadian government authority
For persons under age 18 who are unable to present a document listed above:
School record or report card
Clinic, doctor, or hospital record
Day care or nursery school record
List C
A Social Security Account Number card, unless the card includes one of the following restrictions:
NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT
VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH INS AUTHORIZATION
VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION
Certification of report of birth issued by the U.S. Department of State (Forms DS-1350, FS-545, FS-240)
Original or certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a state, county, municipal authority or outlying territory of the United States bearing an o?icial seal
Native American tribal document
Form I-197, U.S. Citizen Identification Card
Form I-179, Identification Card for Use of Resident Citizen in the United States
Employment authorization document issued by the Department of Homeland Security. For examples, see 13.3 List C Documents That Establish Employment Authorization. (This does not include Form I-766, Employment Authorization Document, from List A.)
RFK is running some pretty vanilla generic observations and trying to pass them off as a solution, that which you posted is not a border solution it is a grandstanding press opp circus that wont stop a single thing. Are we talking Texas with this are we talking Calif are we talking Arizona and New Mexico what are we talking?
What he suggests is not comprehensive it is not a long term solution it does not really even make those on the other side need to change that much to accomplish what they want. To fix the border you have to commit to comprehensive solutions for the entire distance and then you have to commit billions to service, maintain, monitor and be able to react within MINUTES, that is how you deter not patch a few holes and bring some judges in to move the queue. To fix a problem you have to do what it takes to not only fix a few holes and deport a few thousand people but be smarter and faster than the other side...the weakest most difficult aspect to the problem is the scale to which our border is, we are not talking a few hundy feet we are not talking a mile in Galveston or down by Tijuana that is the low hanging idiot fruit, that is not the border problem.
RFK is funny...
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@kcblitzkrieg
RFK is running some pretty vanilla generic observations and trying to pass them off as a solution, that which you posted is not a border solution it is a grandstanding press opp circus that wont stop a single thing. Are we talking Texas with this are we talking Calif are we talking Arizona and New Mexico what are we talking?
What he suggests is not comprehensive it is not a long term solution it does not really even make those on the other side need to change that much to accomplish what they want. To fix the border you have to commit to comprehensive solutions for the entire distance and then you have to commit billions to service, maintain, monitor and be able to react within MINUTES, that is how you deter not patch a few holes and bring some judges in to move the queue. To fix a problem you have to do what it takes to not only fix a few holes and deport a few thousand people but be smarter and faster than the other side...the weakest most difficult aspect to the problem is the scale to which our border is, we are not talking a few hundy feet we are not talking a mile in Galveston or down by Tijuana that is the low hanging idiot fruit, that is not the border problem.
Yup and that has been the case a long time and yet here we are. The issue isnt the formality or the technicality of the requirement it is that the employer isnt filing these or are fabricating things and hoping that they will get away with it or that the "employee" will either have moved on before any audit or that they can play dumb and not have recourse. The biggest issue is the pay under the table, there is no way you can regulate or complicate the filing that would eliminate the fact many employers do not submit the forms and the government is not equipped to run comprehensive real time audits to stop this from happening.
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@ABooksNightmare
Yup and that has been the case a long time and yet here we are. The issue isnt the formality or the technicality of the requirement it is that the employer isnt filing these or are fabricating things and hoping that they will get away with it or that the "employee" will either have moved on before any audit or that they can play dumb and not have recourse. The biggest issue is the pay under the table, there is no way you can regulate or complicate the filing that would eliminate the fact many employers do not submit the forms and the government is not equipped to run comprehensive real time audits to stop this from happening.
I couldn't find any ideas from Trump (build a wall) or the Jeo B regime (it's six months till election time so let's pretend to do something and just copy Trump)....other than, like I said, the two sides sharing the same regurgitated rhetoric.
When you do, please share.....
Thank you America
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@wallstreetcappers
Thanks.....
I couldn't find any ideas from Trump (build a wall) or the Jeo B regime (it's six months till election time so let's pretend to do something and just copy Trump)....other than, like I said, the two sides sharing the same regurgitated rhetoric.
@ABooksNightmare Yup and that has been the case a long time and yet here we are. The issue isnt the formality or the technicality of the requirement it is that the employer isnt filing these or are fabricating things and hoping that they will get away with it or that the "employee" will either have moved on before any audit or that they can play dumb and not have recourse. The biggest issue is the pay under the table, there is no way you can regulate or complicate the filing that would eliminate the fact many employers do not submit the forms and the government is not equipped to run comprehensive real time audits to stop this from happening.
We broached this topic before, maybe not you and I exactly, but the issue really lies with he centralized EVerify mechanism. This was supposed to be introduced and implemented to the entire country yo comply, but it was halted. Certain States did not want to comply and argued futile points to protect the illegal immigrants that were apparently working the agriculture fields and jobs that allegedly Americans did not want to work....E-Verify is a government database system that checks identities of newly hired workers against government records. Using this system, as it was originally intended to do so some 20 years ago or so, was to require employers to fire new employees if the system flags them as being in the United States illegally. The program was supposed to turn off the jobs magnet that attracts undocumented immigrants in the first place. Proponents of the system believe that without the jobs magnet, illegal immigration would stop.
Based on an article,E-Verify’s theoretical simplicity is one reason why it was initially so popular in some southern states and Arizona. If a quick computer check could accurately tell whether a worker is an undocumented immigrant then workplace raids, mass roundups of undocumented immigrants and a massive deportation force becomes unnecessary. Most would just self-deport, in the famous words of Sen. Mitt Romney, while he was a presidential candidate in 2012.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@ABooksNightmare Yup and that has been the case a long time and yet here we are. The issue isnt the formality or the technicality of the requirement it is that the employer isnt filing these or are fabricating things and hoping that they will get away with it or that the "employee" will either have moved on before any audit or that they can play dumb and not have recourse. The biggest issue is the pay under the table, there is no way you can regulate or complicate the filing that would eliminate the fact many employers do not submit the forms and the government is not equipped to run comprehensive real time audits to stop this from happening.
We broached this topic before, maybe not you and I exactly, but the issue really lies with he centralized EVerify mechanism. This was supposed to be introduced and implemented to the entire country yo comply, but it was halted. Certain States did not want to comply and argued futile points to protect the illegal immigrants that were apparently working the agriculture fields and jobs that allegedly Americans did not want to work....E-Verify is a government database system that checks identities of newly hired workers against government records. Using this system, as it was originally intended to do so some 20 years ago or so, was to require employers to fire new employees if the system flags them as being in the United States illegally. The program was supposed to turn off the jobs magnet that attracts undocumented immigrants in the first place. Proponents of the system believe that without the jobs magnet, illegal immigration would stop.
Based on an article,E-Verify’s theoretical simplicity is one reason why it was initially so popular in some southern states and Arizona. If a quick computer check could accurately tell whether a worker is an undocumented immigrant then workplace raids, mass roundups of undocumented immigrants and a massive deportation force becomes unnecessary. Most would just self-deport, in the famous words of Sen. Mitt Romney, while he was a presidential candidate in 2012.
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: After Republicans rejected the immigration bill proposed by Democrats earlier this year, Republicans said Joe Biden needed to do more with his executive power by means of executive orders. Yesterday, he did. Did you even read what it doesn't do.....like secure our border? Didn't your boy build a wall to solve this problem? Wasn't it during his multiple Infrastructure weeks? I understand you don't like Joe but what I don't understand is how you can support the lying thieving alternative.
I don't "support" him, but what choice do we have? Dementia Joe is turning into Frozen Joe, who is also a liar & a thief, & you want people to vote for him? C'mon.....you're better than that. You shouldn't let your hatred for Trump make you vote for a person that is clearly handicapped.
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: After Republicans rejected the immigration bill proposed by Democrats earlier this year, Republicans said Joe Biden needed to do more with his executive power by means of executive orders. Yesterday, he did. Did you even read what it doesn't do.....like secure our border? Didn't your boy build a wall to solve this problem? Wasn't it during his multiple Infrastructure weeks? I understand you don't like Joe but what I don't understand is how you can support the lying thieving alternative.
I don't "support" him, but what choice do we have? Dementia Joe is turning into Frozen Joe, who is also a liar & a thief, & you want people to vote for him? C'mon.....you're better than that. You shouldn't let your hatred for Trump make you vote for a person that is clearly handicapped.
Problem isnt the ease of the process, the problem is enforcement of whatever the process is. So you are right you mentioned the E concept but the root of the problem still is that employers are not using whatever the process is and are skirting whatever the process is and the government is never ever ever big or fast enough to enforce or audit what needs to be audited as often as it is needed.
Ill give you an example, years and years ago when I was out of high school and going to college I was a manager at a pizza joint for a few years and that ownership had like 20 locations so they had a few layers of management like area supervisors and district supervisors and they had expectations of performance and one of them was spot inspections, so any time they could drive their cheap corporate car to our location and run an inspection...that had impact on how we would regularly keep the condition of the store. Also they hired a real secret shopper company that would come out once a month and we didnt know who or when and we would get a shopper report with a score based on speed of service, product quality, employee cleanliness you know all the QSR items you might expect and our bonuses and raises and evaluations were based on those shopper scores and inspections.
We were more concerned with the unknown variable of inspections and secret shoppers than we were of the local food handler audits where they come and do an inspection for cleanliness and sanitation, they would audit our employee files to make sure everyone was up on their food handler permits etc and that the I-9 files were up to date.
The issue is that the slow under staffed and unmotivated government do not audit and enforce whatever the process is to the extent that employers think TWICE before trying to skirt the process or claim they submitted and didnt or that they didnt know the form isnt complete etc. Nothing is more daunting and impactful than an unknown audit that could potentially shut down your operations. If the government wanted to deal with this I-9 issue then they would perform massive scale in-field audits and the recourse would be that the business cannot operate if the audit score was below a threshold and until that was rectified the business would not be allowed to run. THAT would make a difference...
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@ABooksNightmare
Problem isnt the ease of the process, the problem is enforcement of whatever the process is. So you are right you mentioned the E concept but the root of the problem still is that employers are not using whatever the process is and are skirting whatever the process is and the government is never ever ever big or fast enough to enforce or audit what needs to be audited as often as it is needed.
Ill give you an example, years and years ago when I was out of high school and going to college I was a manager at a pizza joint for a few years and that ownership had like 20 locations so they had a few layers of management like area supervisors and district supervisors and they had expectations of performance and one of them was spot inspections, so any time they could drive their cheap corporate car to our location and run an inspection...that had impact on how we would regularly keep the condition of the store. Also they hired a real secret shopper company that would come out once a month and we didnt know who or when and we would get a shopper report with a score based on speed of service, product quality, employee cleanliness you know all the QSR items you might expect and our bonuses and raises and evaluations were based on those shopper scores and inspections.
We were more concerned with the unknown variable of inspections and secret shoppers than we were of the local food handler audits where they come and do an inspection for cleanliness and sanitation, they would audit our employee files to make sure everyone was up on their food handler permits etc and that the I-9 files were up to date.
The issue is that the slow under staffed and unmotivated government do not audit and enforce whatever the process is to the extent that employers think TWICE before trying to skirt the process or claim they submitted and didnt or that they didnt know the form isnt complete etc. Nothing is more daunting and impactful than an unknown audit that could potentially shut down your operations. If the government wanted to deal with this I-9 issue then they would perform massive scale in-field audits and the recourse would be that the business cannot operate if the audit score was below a threshold and until that was rectified the business would not be allowed to run. THAT would make a difference...
He has no shot...last trip I sorta wanted to like Pete but he is too wishy washy and not a real leader, he is a follower without a strong backbone and the ability to take charge. I would not vote for him even if it was Hills or Pete...that is a scary thought but true.
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@Midnight1
He has no shot...last trip I sorta wanted to like Pete but he is too wishy washy and not a real leader, he is a follower without a strong backbone and the ability to take charge. I would not vote for him even if it was Hills or Pete...that is a scary thought but true.
Ive shared, my view is consistent and pretty simple. If we want to fix the problem then commit to fixing it not flapping gums and throwing out sorry solutions that solve nothing. If we want to fix the border then commit the required cash and exceed the furthest expectations by a 1-2x multiple.
Here is a good example, I keep doing this but it is a good example...down here I just got a post card in the mail from the county saying that there were going to be large scale long term freeway changes coming up and they gave a timeline of 2 years and they were going to widen the lanes by like 2 on each side in some spots and 1 per side in some spots. You know what I am going to say but they did this several years ago and half baked it then and this is a half baked plan now. The way this area is expanding population wise they could DOUBLE the lanes and it would probably only last 5 years but to me if you are going to commit and invest and expand then do it where it can be impactful for a LONG LONG TIME...not some bondo fender repair that you can slap your hands and say job done when it really isnt a job done it is a half baked lame effort which means pretty much nothing.
I'd respect RFK more if he were to come out and really lay it out and speak the truth, not try and placate the dumb voters and suggest that some deportations and minor wall fixes is all we need, no that is not the case we need much much more than some patch job or it means nothing. I dont think the government or politicians really care about the border its just a sagging fat lazy vote grab like every cycle. Its like down here were that moron Joe Arpaio used to beat the illegals are bad war drum every election cycle and scare the morons into voting for him and finally the dopes realized that the guy was a lunatic who was abusing inmate rights and costing the county MILLIONS of dollars in lawsuits and they finally sent him out to pasture....lol
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@kcblitzkrieg
Ive shared, my view is consistent and pretty simple. If we want to fix the problem then commit to fixing it not flapping gums and throwing out sorry solutions that solve nothing. If we want to fix the border then commit the required cash and exceed the furthest expectations by a 1-2x multiple.
Here is a good example, I keep doing this but it is a good example...down here I just got a post card in the mail from the county saying that there were going to be large scale long term freeway changes coming up and they gave a timeline of 2 years and they were going to widen the lanes by like 2 on each side in some spots and 1 per side in some spots. You know what I am going to say but they did this several years ago and half baked it then and this is a half baked plan now. The way this area is expanding population wise they could DOUBLE the lanes and it would probably only last 5 years but to me if you are going to commit and invest and expand then do it where it can be impactful for a LONG LONG TIME...not some bondo fender repair that you can slap your hands and say job done when it really isnt a job done it is a half baked lame effort which means pretty much nothing.
I'd respect RFK more if he were to come out and really lay it out and speak the truth, not try and placate the dumb voters and suggest that some deportations and minor wall fixes is all we need, no that is not the case we need much much more than some patch job or it means nothing. I dont think the government or politicians really care about the border its just a sagging fat lazy vote grab like every cycle. Its like down here were that moron Joe Arpaio used to beat the illegals are bad war drum every election cycle and scare the morons into voting for him and finally the dopes realized that the guy was a lunatic who was abusing inmate rights and costing the county MILLIONS of dollars in lawsuits and they finally sent him out to pasture....lol
@ABooksNightmare Problem isnt the ease of the process, the problem is enforcement of whatever the process is. So you are right you mentioned the E concept but the root of the problem still is that employers are not using whatever the process is and are skirting whatever the process is and the government is never ever ever big or fast enough to enforce or audit what needs to be audited as often as it is needed. Ill give you an example, years and years ago when I was out of high school and going to college I was a manager at a pizza joint for a few years and that ownership had like 20 locations so they had a few layers of management like area supervisors and district supervisors and they had expectations of performance and one of them was spot inspections, so any time they could drive their cheap corporate car to our location and run an inspection...that had impact on how we would regularly keep the condition of the store. Also they hired a real secret shopper company that would come out once a month and we didnt know who or when and we would get a shopper report with a score based on speed of service, product quality, employee cleanliness you know all the QSR items you might expect and our bonuses and raises and evaluations were based on those shopper scores and inspections. We were more concerned with the unknown variable of inspections and secret shoppers than we were of the local food handler audits where they come and do an inspection for cleanliness and sanitation, they would audit our employee files to make sure everyone was up on their food handler permits etc and that the I-9 files were up to date. The issue is that the slow under staffed and unmotivated government do not audit and enforce whatever the process is to the extent that employers think TWICE before trying to skirt the process or claim they submitted and didnt or that they didnt know the form isnt complete etc. Nothing is more daunting and impactful than an unknown audit that could potentially shut down your operations. If the government wanted to deal with this I-9 issue then they would perform massive scale in-field audits and the recourse would be that the business cannot operate if the audit score was below a threshold and until that was rectified the business would not be allowed to run. THAT would make a difference...
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What erks me is that for some reason we cannot or will not get our agencies communicating with one another....I mean it is easy to see that if you combine EVerify checks/cases with Social Security file uploads for employee wages you could catch employers rather easily using technology. If an employer remits wages on a SSN that has not been EVerified then it would kick out a notice of an employee eligible discrepancy. Send an employer a notice to comply or hit them with a penalty. If the two systems are talking to one another then this solves any in-person audits needing to be done and moves it to technological based. This seems like run of the mill checks and balances that could be easily put in place but they don't. It would not eliminate the under the table pay but it is a starting point. This holds the employer accountable with EVerifying hired personnel and puts a balance in place to ensure employers are following the law. This seems like such an easy fix, but based on that article and what I do know, it gets fought by States or politicians or the someone else....This seems like, for a greater good move....It's a start at least instead of complaining about immigration and workers etc...If this was a nationwide fix then it just might deter some from coming here and staying illegally....
Sometimes, it's just that our government is stupid....
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@ABooksNightmare Problem isnt the ease of the process, the problem is enforcement of whatever the process is. So you are right you mentioned the E concept but the root of the problem still is that employers are not using whatever the process is and are skirting whatever the process is and the government is never ever ever big or fast enough to enforce or audit what needs to be audited as often as it is needed. Ill give you an example, years and years ago when I was out of high school and going to college I was a manager at a pizza joint for a few years and that ownership had like 20 locations so they had a few layers of management like area supervisors and district supervisors and they had expectations of performance and one of them was spot inspections, so any time they could drive their cheap corporate car to our location and run an inspection...that had impact on how we would regularly keep the condition of the store. Also they hired a real secret shopper company that would come out once a month and we didnt know who or when and we would get a shopper report with a score based on speed of service, product quality, employee cleanliness you know all the QSR items you might expect and our bonuses and raises and evaluations were based on those shopper scores and inspections. We were more concerned with the unknown variable of inspections and secret shoppers than we were of the local food handler audits where they come and do an inspection for cleanliness and sanitation, they would audit our employee files to make sure everyone was up on their food handler permits etc and that the I-9 files were up to date. The issue is that the slow under staffed and unmotivated government do not audit and enforce whatever the process is to the extent that employers think TWICE before trying to skirt the process or claim they submitted and didnt or that they didnt know the form isnt complete etc. Nothing is more daunting and impactful than an unknown audit that could potentially shut down your operations. If the government wanted to deal with this I-9 issue then they would perform massive scale in-field audits and the recourse would be that the business cannot operate if the audit score was below a threshold and until that was rectified the business would not be allowed to run. THAT would make a difference...
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What erks me is that for some reason we cannot or will not get our agencies communicating with one another....I mean it is easy to see that if you combine EVerify checks/cases with Social Security file uploads for employee wages you could catch employers rather easily using technology. If an employer remits wages on a SSN that has not been EVerified then it would kick out a notice of an employee eligible discrepancy. Send an employer a notice to comply or hit them with a penalty. If the two systems are talking to one another then this solves any in-person audits needing to be done and moves it to technological based. This seems like run of the mill checks and balances that could be easily put in place but they don't. It would not eliminate the under the table pay but it is a starting point. This holds the employer accountable with EVerifying hired personnel and puts a balance in place to ensure employers are following the law. This seems like such an easy fix, but based on that article and what I do know, it gets fought by States or politicians or the someone else....This seems like, for a greater good move....It's a start at least instead of complaining about immigration and workers etc...If this was a nationwide fix then it just might deter some from coming here and staying illegally....
Sometimes, it's just that our government is stupid....
@THEMUGG C'mon Mugg. If you vote for him, you support him. This election won't come down to either of the candidates. Women's rights will bring millions of women to the polls & will be the deciding factor IMO. Your party is on the wrong side concerning this issue.
You may be right. The balancing factor is the open border problem. It seems to be at/near the top of all concerns in all the polls. Either way, like I said, it's a sad choice we're left with come Nov.
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@THEMUGG C'mon Mugg. If you vote for him, you support him. This election won't come down to either of the candidates. Women's rights will bring millions of women to the polls & will be the deciding factor IMO. Your party is on the wrong side concerning this issue.
You may be right. The balancing factor is the open border problem. It seems to be at/near the top of all concerns in all the polls. Either way, like I said, it's a sad choice we're left with come Nov.
Right...the concept of the federal government having a computer system that is current and fast and accurate is a stretch then if you want to combine with other departments or states or localities that makes it even that much tougher. The issue is that corps are profit driven and can invest in technology, the government cannot and their systems are garbage for that reason.
Consistent, repeated and unannounced audits WITH recourse is the ticket...if companies knew that on any day they could be audited for compliance and if they failed a threshold they would have their operations halted you better believe that would move the needle.
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@ABooksNightmare
Right...the concept of the federal government having a computer system that is current and fast and accurate is a stretch then if you want to combine with other departments or states or localities that makes it even that much tougher. The issue is that corps are profit driven and can invest in technology, the government cannot and their systems are garbage for that reason.
Consistent, repeated and unannounced audits WITH recourse is the ticket...if companies knew that on any day they could be audited for compliance and if they failed a threshold they would have their operations halted you better believe that would move the needle.
They believe any means justifies the end that they desire. They drum up that the world will end if this man becomes president. They are destroying democracy and justifing it with Trump will destroy democracy.
Their lies are catching up to them.
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@sundance
They believe any means justifies the end that they desire. They drum up that the world will end if this man becomes president. They are destroying democracy and justifing it with Trump will destroy democracy.
Meet the new associate director of communications at the White House inside the link below!! (1) Breaking911 on X: "Meet Tyler Cherry, Biden's new associate communications director at the White House https://t.co/mYYhvkLpQ3" / X
the world is laughing at us
Let that Sink in . Afuera ! Elon and Vivek / DOGE ..Afuera !
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
Meet the new associate director of communications at the White House inside the link below!! (1) Breaking911 on X: "Meet Tyler Cherry, Biden's new associate communications director at the White House https://t.co/mYYhvkLpQ3" / X
Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Meet the new associate director of communications at the White House inside the link below!! (1) Breaking911 on X: "Meet Tyler Cherry, Biden's new associate communications director at the White House https://t.co/mYYhvkLpQ3" / X the world is laughing at us
Donnie Tiny Hands is the joke & no one in the US is laughing at this fool. This is his plan for Thursday night's debate.
He'll open with a Holocaust oven joke, then go into his UFC Migrant Fights routine, then do his shark battery boat routine, followed by shower water pressure complaints, and then whine about jacked up Joe.
After the debate, he'll cry that "they wouldn't let me speak. They kept cutting off my microphone." He'll blame the moderators like he always does & then he'll attack CNN.
Recently, he complained that "even he" couldn't afford the price of bacon. I always knew this pig ate his own.
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Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:
Quote Originally Posted by sundance: Meet the new associate director of communications at the White House inside the link below!! (1) Breaking911 on X: "Meet Tyler Cherry, Biden's new associate communications director at the White House https://t.co/mYYhvkLpQ3" / X the world is laughing at us
Donnie Tiny Hands is the joke & no one in the US is laughing at this fool. This is his plan for Thursday night's debate.
He'll open with a Holocaust oven joke, then go into his UFC Migrant Fights routine, then do his shark battery boat routine, followed by shower water pressure complaints, and then whine about jacked up Joe.
After the debate, he'll cry that "they wouldn't let me speak. They kept cutting off my microphone." He'll blame the moderators like he always does & then he'll attack CNN.
Recently, he complained that "even he" couldn't afford the price of bacon. I always knew this pig ate his own.
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