the whole problem is knowingly spreading false info to vulnerable people

@thirdperson

One side is speculative entirely ie Graham's partisan rant

The other is based on what we have actually and factually witnessed.

Trump rages as former acolytes turn against him and his election lies

CNN -
The indicted ex-president absorbed a trio of blows
recently that worsened his legal peril and underscored
how the 2024 election will play out in the courts rather
than traditional voting battlegrounds.

In the most significant development,
ABC News reported that Trump’s former chief of staff,
Mark Meadows, had met federal prosecutors multiple
times and had categorically undermined the ex-president’s
narrative about a stolen election!

In another damaging twist, former Trump lawyer
Jenna Ellis, who blanketed television networks after
President Joe Biden’s victory to falsely claim he was
elected because of fraud, reached a plea deal with
Georgia prosecutors.
Ellis tearfully confessed to the felony of aiding and
abetting FALSE STATEMENTS that she and other
trump lawyers told Peach State lawmakers.
She was the third former Trump acolyte to agree to
testify against the ex-president and others this week.

The Hill reports Meadows is being sued by publisher for falsely claiming Trump won 2020 election in his book "the chief's chief."  Contract requires him to tell the truth.  But his court testimony contradicts book claims.  Now All season press is seeking over a million dollars in damages.

  Comical MAGA talking-point

falsely suggesting Joe Biden could not possibly afford to loan ANYONE $200,000 at the time of the occurance and anyone who believes that he could must be "ignorant sheep"

CNN  fact checker Daniel Dale -

Facts First:

The premise of those frivolous claims is wrong! 

Biden was earning far more than $200,000 per year
in January 2018,  when his brother was sent the
$200,000 payment.
Joe was not in government at the time. Biden and
his wife Jill Biden reported about $11 million    <-----
in adjusted gross income on their 2017 tax returns
and about $4.6 million on their 2018 tax returns! 

Most of the income was from a multi-million-dollar
book deal  and  the dozens of paid speeches for
which Joe Biden received five-figure and six-figure fees.

               So CLEARLY they had the money, and then some  

Bank records are consistent with white house claim that $200,000 payment was just a loan between brothers.  They show Joe Biden didn't profit from family business ventures.  Since Joe wasn't working in government at that time, he is free to pursue foreign business ventures.  No proof of influence peddling scheme as alleged by House GOP. 

Another MAGAtt caught "redhanded" lying about the facts

Who would've ever believed such a thing 

Elon Musk has publicly endorsed an antisemitic conspiracy theory popular among White supremacists: that Jewish communities push “hatred against Whites.”

That kind of overt thumbs up to an antisemitic post shocked even some of Musk’s critics, who have long called him out for using racist or otherwise bigoted dog whistles on Twitter, now known as X. It was the multibillionaire’s most explicit public statement yet endorsing anti-Jewish views.

Musk =  

Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

Elon Musk has publicly endorsed an antisemitic conspiracy theory popular among White supremacists: that Jewish communities push “hatred against Whites.” That kind of overt thumbs up to an antisemitic post shocked even some of Musk’s critics, who have long called him out for using racist or otherwise bigoted dog whistles on Twitter, now known as X. It was the multibillionaire’s most explicit public statement yet endorsing anti-Jewish views.   Musk =

muskie is really in deep now      

Media matters reveals that Fox news propaganda is misleading Americans about Biden economy.  As a result, MAGA republicans tend to be detached from reality.  Big differences in perception.  Polls show democrats see a recovering US economy.  Whereas republicans are far more pessimistic and see a economy worse than the great recession.  However most economic indicators show improving economy with economic growth, less inflation and low unemployment.  Steve Bannon says Fox news is for stupid people.

Disinformation about open border is encouraging illegal immigration to US border according to America's voice education fund. Actually, people who cross US border illegally are expelled and banned from re-entry for 5 years by Homeland security department.  BSP research reveals that disinformation originates from smugglers, politicians and right wing media. For examples, Trump and Fox news. They are making the problem worse.

@thirdperson

 What is the 'disinformation', exactly?  

Because whatever you think it might be must be true because it is working -- that is for certain!

So, must not be 'disinformation'. 

It would be comical if it wasn’t downright disturbing . Some people are so invested for whatever fucking reason to one side or the other that they give up being thinking , and thoughtful , rational humans that you can have a conversation with ……

we have far more in common than we do differences people …….

if you’re not trying to be open and truthful or at least attempting to help figure out what the exact problems are , by communicating , then you are part of the problem and you should be reprimanded 

point blank . We need to take away some privileges around here . This forum is a head hanging in shame atrocity .

But I do understand, as most should, estimates vary between 45% and 60% of all ILLEGALS in this country are from visa overstays, plus many illegal crossings from our NORTHERN border with Canada! A very a large portion of those are WHITES who speak English.

Yet the right pays no lip service whatsoever to what may IN FACT be the largest part of the "illegals" problem!!!  Shocking! It's almost as if "illegals" in our country - taking up our jobs!!! - per se is irrelevant to the right unless they are of color and speak a different mother tongue.    Then, HOLY PH*CK!!!

Liberalism is a mental disorder...left has no clue about anything except being a pedophile , pervert and a pronoun..  the cancer of this country..

15% of Americans believe climate change isn't happening.  They fall for fake news denying climate change according to coalition of 50 organizations 'Climate action against disinformation."  Despite 99% of climate scientists agreeing that burning fossil fuels cause global warming.  University of Geneva study found that disinformation is more persuasive than scientific facts because it plays with people emotions.  Climate science deniers beliefs aren't based on science but their values or what is important to them.  Easier for fossil fuel industry to promote doubts than for scientists to convince people of certainty.  73% of climate scientists who appear in the media have experienced online abuse.

@fubah2

  You're seeing what you want to see, & ignoring what you don't. Anyone with a "visa overstay" at least came in legally.

 The sheer amount of non-registered illegals of all races are pouring in at a rate of around 10k/day right now across the southern border alone, & that doesn't even include "gotaways".

That’s a fair point Mugg 

Will he respond though ?

Pew research reveals 77% of immigrants are in the US legally.  Illegal immigrant population peaked in 2007.  Since 2007, visa overstays have accounted for a larger share of the growth in illegal immigrant population than illegal border crossings.  Economists research show that illegal immigration boosts US economy, fills jobs that Americans don't want to do, contributes tax revenue and reduces inflation.  In the future, US desperately needs more immigrants because of trend in lowest population growth in decades.

I’m not Albert Einstein and I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn last night , and yup I watched Born in East LA with Cheech Marin more than a handful of times , and I do know that a “ coyote “ isn’t just some furry animal with teeth , but I gotta say , with every ounce of integrity emanating from my wiry and athletic being , that I do not believe for a minute that what you typed third is anywhere close to being accurate . 

third btw how was your Christmas ?