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    Zeus4par
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2025 - 4:24 AM ET #1276

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Right wing media spreads false conspiracy theories about Los Angeles fire while ignoring the role of extreme weather conditions.  1 Fire started by energy weapon, government or the homeless. 2 Firefighting undermined by diversity, equity and inclusion policies.  3 Fire hydrants deliberately disabled to prevent firefighting.  4 Governor Newsom refused to release water to protect fish ecosystem.  5 Lack of controlled burns to reduce fuel supply.  Nowadays every natural disaster seems to be politicized.

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     Well said   an_clap

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Right wing media spreads false conspiracy theories about Los Angeles fire while ignoring the role of extreme weather conditions.  1 Fire started by energy weapon, government or the homeless. 2 Firefighting undermined by diversity, equity and inclusion policies.  3 Fire hydrants deliberately disabled to prevent firefighting.  4 Governor Newsom refused to release water to protect fish ecosystem.  5 Lack of controlled burns to reduce fuel supply.  Nowadays every natural disaster seems to be politicized.

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     Well said   an_clap

     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2025 - 2:24 PM ET #1277

    According to FEMA, experts say no amount of resources would have stopped Los Angeles recent wildfires.  Most fires still aren't contained despite help from multiple states, Mexico and Canada.  Los Angeles is a leader in fighting urban wildfires.  Fire agencies from the west come to Los Angeles for training.

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    According to FEMA, experts say no amount of resources would have stopped Los Angeles recent wildfires.  Most fires still aren't contained despite help from multiple states, Mexico and Canada.  Los Angeles is a leader in fighting urban wildfires.  Fire agencies from the west come to Los Angeles for training.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2025 - 2:57 PM ET #1278

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to FEMA, experts say no amount of resources would have stopped Los Angeles recent wildfires.  Most fires still aren't contained despite help from multiple states, Mexico and Canada.  Los Angeles is a leader in fighting urban wildfires.  Fire agencies from the west come to Los Angeles for training.

    an_clappeace_5

    Most people just dont understand how powerful wildfire ares.  They create their own weather systems which in turn can create lightning which can then create more fires.  They become an unstoppable force once they get rolling and the wind thats created makes its so hard to stop the fire from spreading and very fast. Having no rain and everything so dry just contributes.  As a retired firefighter am glad that i only had to deal with house and building fires(and no matter how big these fires got, chances were so slim that they could ever destroy a whole city or even just 1 neighborhood before they were put out, unlike wildfires) and some wild fires that were easily stopped. I give all my Fellow Firefighter Brother and Sisters for dealing with these types of fires, cause they arent easy and the end game most of the time doesnt end well for people and property.  That in itself puts a tremendous amount of mental stress on Firefighters due to being pissed off that they couldnt do more to stop these monsters when in reality is they are at the mercy of these beasts once they become massive and start rolling.

    Praying for the entire state right now.  This should never be about politics, this is about Humanity. People that try to turn this into politics, democrat or republican just arent very good peoplethumbs_down

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to FEMA, experts say no amount of resources would have stopped Los Angeles recent wildfires.  Most fires still aren't contained despite help from multiple states, Mexico and Canada.  Los Angeles is a leader in fighting urban wildfires.  Fire agencies from the west come to Los Angeles for training.

    an_clappeace_5

    Most people just dont understand how powerful wildfire ares.  They create their own weather systems which in turn can create lightning which can then create more fires.  They become an unstoppable force once they get rolling and the wind thats created makes its so hard to stop the fire from spreading and very fast. Having no rain and everything so dry just contributes.  As a retired firefighter am glad that i only had to deal with house and building fires(and no matter how big these fires got, chances were so slim that they could ever destroy a whole city or even just 1 neighborhood before they were put out, unlike wildfires) and some wild fires that were easily stopped. I give all my Fellow Firefighter Brother and Sisters for dealing with these types of fires, cause they arent easy and the end game most of the time doesnt end well for people and property.  That in itself puts a tremendous amount of mental stress on Firefighters due to being pissed off that they couldnt do more to stop these monsters when in reality is they are at the mercy of these beasts once they become massive and start rolling.

    Praying for the entire state right now.  This should never be about politics, this is about Humanity. People that try to turn this into politics, democrat or republican just arent very good peoplethumbs_down

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 7:35 PM ET #1279

    Trump/MAGA fools whine about inflation and say it's all Joe Biden's fault.

     

    But now the CONVICTED FELON/SEX-OFFENDER is planning to apply tariffs AND CAUSE A RISE IN INFLATION!

     

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    Trump/MAGA fools whine about inflation and say it's all Joe Biden's fault.

     

    But now the CONVICTED FELON/SEX-OFFENDER is planning to apply tariffs AND CAUSE A RISE IN INFLATION!

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 8:01 PM ET #1280

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Trump/MAGA fools whine about inflation and say it's all Joe Biden's fault.  

     

    But now the CONVICTED FELON/SEX-OFFENDER is planning to apply tariffs AND CAUSE A RISE IN INFLATION!

    @fuhba2

    yup 

    and they also screamed  and bellyached about all the alleged criminals biden is deliberately allowing to come into the country    but today president musk and donnie released 1500 KNOWN convicted criminals out of prisons and onto the streets here in america

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Trump/MAGA fools whine about inflation and say it's all Joe Biden's fault.  

     

    But now the CONVICTED FELON/SEX-OFFENDER is planning to apply tariffs AND CAUSE A RISE IN INFLATION!

    @fuhba2

    yup 

    and they also screamed  and bellyached about all the alleged criminals biden is deliberately allowing to come into the country    but today president musk and donnie released 1500 KNOWN convicted criminals out of prisons and onto the streets here in america

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2025 - 1:40 PM ET #1281

    MAGA regime backs down on their stupid federal aid freeze that sparked nationwide confusion and stress

     

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    Though White House aides publicly blamed the media for causing the confusion [ which the trump regime created ], the administration had received a flood of calls from lawmakers and state officials with questions about its impact on their home states.

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    MAGA regime backs down on their stupid federal aid freeze that sparked nationwide confusion and stress

     

    CNN -
    Though White House aides publicly blamed the media for causing the confusion [ which the trump regime created ], the administration had received a flood of calls from lawmakers and state officials with questions about its impact on their home states.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2025 - 7:28 PM ET #1282

    Media matters reveal that Fox news is not telling its audience about the important work of Consumer protection agency. For example, recoverng $21.billion for consumers from unfair business practices.  Instead propaganda branch of G.O.P. supports dismantling of consumer protection

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    Media matters reveal that Fox news is not telling its audience about the important work of Consumer protection agency. For example, recoverng $21.billion for consumers from unfair business practices.  Instead propaganda branch of G.O.P. supports dismantling of consumer protection

     
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2025 - 4:42 PM ET #1283

    Europeans reject Vance misleading claim that the biggest threats aren't Russia and misinformation but rather mass migration and loss of free speech.  Falsely comparing Europe to authoritarian governments.  In a democracy, every opinion has a voice but democracy doesn't mean the loudest minority is always right.  Also democracy must defend itself against extremists who want to destroy it.

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    Europeans reject Vance misleading claim that the biggest threats aren't Russia and misinformation but rather mass migration and loss of free speech.  Falsely comparing Europe to authoritarian governments.  In a democracy, every opinion has a voice but democracy doesn't mean the loudest minority is always right.  Also democracy must defend itself against extremists who want to destroy it.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2025 - 10:38 AM ET #1284

    Hypocrite Trump claims to save free speech in the US.  But his administration sues to intimidate media outlets that publish unfavorable articles.  Shuts out journalists from white house because of their political views. Censors diversity, prejudice, LGBTQ, medical information and climate science from government websites.   Allows foreign interference in US elections.  Promotes big lie about stolen election after first term and tries to rewrite history.  Republican states ban books and black history in schools.  Control of media and war on truth are among the characteristics of fascism.

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    Hypocrite Trump claims to save free speech in the US.  But his administration sues to intimidate media outlets that publish unfavorable articles.  Shuts out journalists from white house because of their political views. Censors diversity, prejudice, LGBTQ, medical information and climate science from government websites.   Allows foreign interference in US elections.  Promotes big lie about stolen election after first term and tries to rewrite history.  Republican states ban books and black history in schools.  Control of media and war on truth are among the characteristics of fascism.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2025 - 10:47 AM ET #1285

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Hypocrite Trump claims to save free speech in the US.  But his administration sues to intimidate media outlets that publish unfavorable articles.  Shuts out journalists from white house because of their political views. Censors diversity, prejudice, LGBTQ, medical information and climate science from government websites.   Allows foreign interference in US elections.  Promotes big lie about stolen election after first term and tries to rewrite history.  Republican states ban books and black history in schools.  Control of media and war on truth are among the characteristics of fascism.

     

    Is this similar to the Biden administration threating with success against Meta/FB to sensor information about covid and the effective ways to treat it? Don't worry, I won't expect a direct answer from the left leaning AI bot. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Hypocrite Trump claims to save free speech in the US.  But his administration sues to intimidate media outlets that publish unfavorable articles.  Shuts out journalists from white house because of their political views. Censors diversity, prejudice, LGBTQ, medical information and climate science from government websites.   Allows foreign interference in US elections.  Promotes big lie about stolen election after first term and tries to rewrite history.  Republican states ban books and black history in schools.  Control of media and war on truth are among the characteristics of fascism.

     

    Is this similar to the Biden administration threating with success against Meta/FB to sensor information about covid and the effective ways to treat it? Don't worry, I won't expect a direct answer from the left leaning AI bot. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2025 - 11:08 AM ET #1286

    "Control of media and war on truth are among the characteristics of fascism."

     an_lightOne of the very reasons Trump got elected. an_light

     

    -- Steele Dossier

    -- Hunter's laptop is Russian.

    -- There is no border crisis.

    --Get vaccinated and you will never get COVID.

    --etc, etc

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    "Control of media and war on truth are among the characteristics of fascism."

     an_lightOne of the very reasons Trump got elected. an_light

     

    -- Steele Dossier

    -- Hunter's laptop is Russian.

    -- There is no border crisis.

    --Get vaccinated and you will never get COVID.

    --etc, etc

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2025 - 12:54 PM ET #1287

    And let us not forget the poster child for Fascist controlled media.

     

    "Oh, I hear the crowd chanting "Let's Go Brandon."   They lie straight to your face to protect the regime.

    And even now; "Free Speech caused the Holocaust". UNBELIEVABLE!

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    And let us not forget the poster child for Fascist controlled media.

     

    "Oh, I hear the crowd chanting "Let's Go Brandon."   They lie straight to your face to protect the regime.

    And even now; "Free Speech caused the Holocaust". UNBELIEVABLE!

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2025 - 1:07 PM ET #1288

    This thread title is so hypocritical.   Everything the lunatic left claims the right is doing is exactly what they are doing.  They spread all this nonsense causing hate and division.   No wonder they got their asses whooped.  People are seeing right through their crap.  Then again,  these are the same people that believe biological men should be allowed to compete in women's sports, kids should be allowed to be mutilated,  hire people based on checking a box.  

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    This thread title is so hypocritical.   Everything the lunatic left claims the right is doing is exactly what they are doing.  They spread all this nonsense causing hate and division.   No wonder they got their asses whooped.  People are seeing right through their crap.  Then again,  these are the same people that believe biological men should be allowed to compete in women's sports, kids should be allowed to be mutilated,  hire people based on checking a box.  

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2025 - 3:54 PM ET #1289

    I mean it’s done by both sides so yes it is hypocritical . Does anyone ever stop their fighting and/or pantomime silence to acknowledge that fact ? It would be refreshing to see . Too partisan in here . All the way around . 

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    I mean it’s done by both sides so yes it is hypocritical . Does anyone ever stop their fighting and/or pantomime silence to acknowledge that fact ? It would be refreshing to see . Too partisan in here . All the way around . 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2025 - 5:03 PM ET #1290

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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2025 - 5:07 PM ET #1291

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Media matters reveal that Fox news is not telling its audience about the important work of Consumer protection agency. For example, recoverng $21.billion for consumers from unfair business practices.  Instead propaganda branch of G.O.P. supports dismantling of consumer protection


    Authoritarian agenda at work...

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Media matters reveal that Fox news is not telling its audience about the important work of Consumer protection agency. For example, recoverng $21.billion for consumers from unfair business practices.  Instead propaganda branch of G.O.P. supports dismantling of consumer protection


    Authoritarian agenda at work...

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2025 - 5:30 PM ET #1292

    an_ref ‘Some of the things that I say will be incorrect’:

     

    Musk backs away from FALSE claim
      of $50 million for Gaza condoms

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    an_ref ‘Some of the things that I say will be incorrect’:

     

    Musk backs away from FALSE claim
      of $50 million for Gaza condoms

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    ‘Some of the things that I say will be incorrect’:   Musk backs away from FALSE claim   of $50 million for Gaza condoms

    And where's the  “billions and billions of dollars in waste, fraud and abuse.”

    Someone needs to tell these morons fraud is not the same as "waste & abuse."

    Our inspector generals have been finding waste for decades. In 2023, the work of inspectors general led to more than 4,000 prosecutions and inspectors general identified nearly $93.1 billion in potential savings. The findings resulted in about 3,000 suspensions, reprimands and terminations for federal contractors and federal, state and local employees. And now these dumb fuckers have fired many of these experts.

    During the pandemic, no checks/balances were in place. Crooks robbed the government blind during the Donald's 1st term. Inspectors general found 5.4 billion in Covid fraudulent activity obtained via fabricated Social Security numbers. These IG's were still identifying/arresting these scumbags but those investigations have stopped.

    Meanwhile. Marco Rubio explains that America needs to "take advantage of the incredible opportunity to partner with the Russians geopolitically, on issues of common interest and economically". Our allies must love this comment.

    This shit is insane!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    ‘Some of the things that I say will be incorrect’:   Musk backs away from FALSE claim   of $50 million for Gaza condoms

    And where's the  “billions and billions of dollars in waste, fraud and abuse.”

    Someone needs to tell these morons fraud is not the same as "waste & abuse."

    Our inspector generals have been finding waste for decades. In 2023, the work of inspectors general led to more than 4,000 prosecutions and inspectors general identified nearly $93.1 billion in potential savings. The findings resulted in about 3,000 suspensions, reprimands and terminations for federal contractors and federal, state and local employees. And now these dumb fuckers have fired many of these experts.

    During the pandemic, no checks/balances were in place. Crooks robbed the government blind during the Donald's 1st term. Inspectors general found 5.4 billion in Covid fraudulent activity obtained via fabricated Social Security numbers. These IG's were still identifying/arresting these scumbags but those investigations have stopped.

    Meanwhile. Marco Rubio explains that America needs to "take advantage of the incredible opportunity to partner with the Russians geopolitically, on issues of common interest and economically". Our allies must love this comment.

    This shit is insane!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: ‘Some of the things that I say will be incorrect’:   Musk backs away from FALSE claim  of $50 million for Gaza condoms

     

    And where's the “billions and billions of dollars in waste, fraud and abuse.”

    Someone needs to tell these morons fraud is not the same as "waste & abuse."

    Our inspector generals have been finding waste for decades. In 2023, the work of inspectors general led to more than 4,000 prosecutions and inspectors general identified nearly $93.1 billion in potential savings. The findings resulted in about 3,000 suspensions, reprimands and terminations for federal contractors and federal, state and local employees. And now these dumb fuckers have fired many of these experts.

    During the pandemic, no checks/balances were in place. Crooks robbed the government blind during the Donald's 1st term. Inspectors general found 5.4 billion in Covid fraudulent activity obtained via fabricated Social Security numbers. These IG's were still identifying/arresting these scumbags but those investigations have stopped.

    Meanwhile. Marco Rubio explains that America needs to "take advantage of the incredible opportunity to partner with the Russians geopolitically, on issues of common interest and economically". Our allies must love this comment.

    This shit is insane!

    goodpost

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: ‘Some of the things that I say will be incorrect’:   Musk backs away from FALSE claim  of $50 million for Gaza condoms

     

    And where's the “billions and billions of dollars in waste, fraud and abuse.”

    Someone needs to tell these morons fraud is not the same as "waste & abuse."

    Our inspector generals have been finding waste for decades. In 2023, the work of inspectors general led to more than 4,000 prosecutions and inspectors general identified nearly $93.1 billion in potential savings. The findings resulted in about 3,000 suspensions, reprimands and terminations for federal contractors and federal, state and local employees. And now these dumb fuckers have fired many of these experts.

    During the pandemic, no checks/balances were in place. Crooks robbed the government blind during the Donald's 1st term. Inspectors general found 5.4 billion in Covid fraudulent activity obtained via fabricated Social Security numbers. These IG's were still identifying/arresting these scumbags but those investigations have stopped.

    Meanwhile. Marco Rubio explains that America needs to "take advantage of the incredible opportunity to partner with the Russians geopolitically, on issues of common interest and economically". Our allies must love this comment.

    This shit is insane!

    goodpost

     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2025 - 11:24 AM ET #1295

    Ignorant Musk falsely claims social security is a ponzi scheme despite 97% of eligible Americans receiving benefits.  Apparently, DOGE sees seniors who qualify for social security as the waste.  Goal of spending cuts is to rob working people of benefits they have earned to pay for tax cuts of the super rich.

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    Ignorant Musk falsely claims social security is a ponzi scheme despite 97% of eligible Americans receiving benefits.  Apparently, DOGE sees seniors who qualify for social security as the waste.  Goal of spending cuts is to rob working people of benefits they have earned to pay for tax cuts of the super rich.

     
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    Musk is absolutely correct.  It is not an 'intentional' fraudulent Ponzi scheme to deceive the folks.

    It is out in the open that it is a Ponzi scheme, simply by definition.

    You need it to pay old folks because people have been shown to not adequately plan to get old and save for it.  Plus, Americans have shifted from an intact multi-generational family unit but are now spread out all over.

    But when you have to raise the percentage you are taking in to make payouts and constantly having to make adjustments and are worried that not enough people are paying in now -- then you have the very definition of a Ponzi scheme.

    2% is now 12.4%.  16 workers paying for each retired person is now just 3.  The fertility rate is at an all-time low.

    When you are constantly looking at ways to make something work and adjust it because it does not do what it is supposed to do and you are worried about long term solvency -- then, of course, you have a Ponzi scheme.

    It is not intentional fraud like you normally think of a Ponzi scheme and, again, it may even be necessary.  

    But to not acknowledge it as a Ponzi scheme is being willfully ignorant of it.

    Too many folks depend on it as their main retirement, or a large complement for it.  

    So, of course, it needs to be examined.

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    Musk is absolutely correct.  It is not an 'intentional' fraudulent Ponzi scheme to deceive the folks.

    It is out in the open that it is a Ponzi scheme, simply by definition.

    You need it to pay old folks because people have been shown to not adequately plan to get old and save for it.  Plus, Americans have shifted from an intact multi-generational family unit but are now spread out all over.

    But when you have to raise the percentage you are taking in to make payouts and constantly having to make adjustments and are worried that not enough people are paying in now -- then you have the very definition of a Ponzi scheme.

    2% is now 12.4%.  16 workers paying for each retired person is now just 3.  The fertility rate is at an all-time low.

    When you are constantly looking at ways to make something work and adjust it because it does not do what it is supposed to do and you are worried about long term solvency -- then, of course, you have a Ponzi scheme.

    It is not intentional fraud like you normally think of a Ponzi scheme and, again, it may even be necessary.  

    But to not acknowledge it as a Ponzi scheme is being willfully ignorant of it.

    Too many folks depend on it as their main retirement, or a large complement for it.  

    So, of course, it needs to be examined.

     
    Zeus4par
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2025 - 1:46 PM ET #1297

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    ‘Some of the things that I say will be incorrect’:   Musk

     

    We should keep his own statement in mind at all times  an_beatup

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    ‘Some of the things that I say will be incorrect’:   Musk

     

    We should keep his own statement in mind at all times  an_beatup

     
    thirdperson
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2025 - 2:20 AM ET #1298

    Annenberg fact check debunks Trump's claim that US was richest during late 19th century because of high tariffs.  Inflation adjusted GDP per capita is far greater today.  Unclear whether tariffs have a positive or negative impact on economic growth.  Other factors such as immigration and increased labor productivity contribute more to economic growth.

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    Annenberg fact check debunks Trump's claim that US was richest during late 19th century because of high tariffs.  Inflation adjusted GDP per capita is far greater today.  Unclear whether tariffs have a positive or negative impact on economic growth.  Other factors such as immigration and increased labor productivity contribute more to economic growth.

     
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    There’s always discrepancies amongst what’s fact or fiction……….. and that’s a penalty that we exist with that we can never unshackle from cuz we’re trapped in it’s prison ……that’s born from animosity and then nurtured by semantics ………it’s all an act in fact we’re just little birds circling in a bad wind ……..my hands grip ………but they can’t hold on ……not to what an asshole talks cuz off that branch I fall …….to the ground and when I pound the land I call …….to allah and I say “ you’re mom ! “ cuz I’m not scared at all …… not of the lawd ( lord ) or any candyass man cuz : balls ……..

    ya dig ?

    wallstreetcappers craps in his draws and pees fuckin backwards from his vaj with a squirt.
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    There’s always discrepancies amongst what’s fact or fiction……….. and that’s a penalty that we exist with that we can never unshackle from cuz we’re trapped in it’s prison ……that’s born from animosity and then nurtured by semantics ………it’s all an act in fact we’re just little birds circling in a bad wind ……..my hands grip ………but they can’t hold on ……not to what an asshole talks cuz off that branch I fall …….to the ground and when I pound the land I call …….to allah and I say “ you’re mom ! “ cuz I’m not scared at all …… not of the lawd ( lord ) or any candyass man cuz : balls ……..

    ya dig ?

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Musk is absolutely correct.  It is not an 'intentional' fraudulent Ponzi scheme to deceive the folks. It is out in the open that it is a Ponzi scheme, simply by definition. You need it to pay old folks because people have been shown to not adequately plan to get old and save for it.  Plus, Americans have shifted from an intact multi-generational family unit but are now spread out all over. But when you have to raise the percentage you are taking in to make payouts and constantly having to make adjustments and are worried that not enough people are paying in now -- then you have the very definition of a Ponzi scheme. 2% is now 12.4%.  16 workers paying for each retired person is now just 3.  The fertility rate is at an all-time low. When you are constantly looking at ways to make something work and adjust it because it does not do what it is supposed to do and you are worried about long term solvency -- then, of course, you have a Ponzi scheme. It is not intentional fraud like you normally think of a Ponzi scheme and, again, it may even be necessary.   But to not acknowledge it as a Ponzi scheme is being willfully ignorant of it. Too many folks depend on it as their main retirement, or a large complement for it.   So, of course, it needs to be examined.
    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Musk is absolutely correct.  It is not an 'intentional' fraudulent Ponzi scheme to deceive the folks. It is out in the open that it is a Ponzi scheme, simply by definition. You need it to pay old folks because people have been shown to not adequately plan to get old and save for it.  Plus, Americans have shifted from an intact multi-generational family unit but are now spread out all over. But when you have to raise the percentage you are taking in to make payouts and constantly having to make adjustments and are worried that not enough people are paying in now -- then you have the very definition of a Ponzi scheme. 2% is now 12.4%.  16 workers paying for each retired person is now just 3.  The fertility rate is at an all-time low. When you are constantly looking at ways to make something work and adjust it because it does not do what it is supposed to do and you are worried about long term solvency -- then, of course, you have a Ponzi scheme. It is not intentional fraud like you normally think of a Ponzi scheme and, again, it may even be necessary.   But to not acknowledge it as a Ponzi scheme is being willfully ignorant of it. Too many folks depend on it as their main retirement, or a large complement for it.   So, of course, it needs to be examined.
    peace_5

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