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#51
Harris got destroyed........all she could run to was "200k people died because of the virus!...."
She never once discussed what they would've done to prevent that......lol
Thoughts on VP debate...
Posted:
#56
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: In formal debates Pence would have lost HUGE points! HUGE!! But here, where there is no panel of impartial judges with scorecards, assessing merits and comportment, it was actually a WISE strategy by Pence -- especially given that Harris repeatedly failed with any strong counter-attack. In effect, it's almost like "well if your opponent isn't going to call you out for cheating then why not cheat and see what you can get away with?!" I have HARRIS slightly ahead, but truly I was disappointed with her because she had such phenominal field position handed to her time after time yet failed to advance the ball.... She could have easily CRUSHED Pence.... clearly harris outpointed pence in a close battle . any fool can see that . this will be confirmed in coming commentary and post debate polls of americans watching just like happened in bidens favor following last week
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: In formal debates Pence would have lost HUGE points! HUGE!! But here, where there is no panel of impartial judges with scorecards, assessing merits and comportment, it was actually a WISE strategy by Pence -- especially given that Harris repeatedly failed with any strong counter-attack. In effect, it's almost like "well if your opponent isn't going to call you out for cheating then why not cheat and see what you can get away with?!" I have HARRIS slightly ahead, but truly I was disappointed with her because she had such phenominal field position handed to her time after time yet failed to advance the ball.... She could have easily CRUSHED Pence.... clearly harris outpointed pence in a close battle . any fool can see that . this will be confirmed in coming commentary and post debate polls of americans watching just like happened in bidens favor following last week
Yes. Polls and focus groups are already showing a heavy lean to Harris winning that debate.
More to come.
Posted:
#57
If anyone says one side destroyed the other they are lying.
Pence repeated Trump talking points and dodged questions left and right. Harris did the same thing. I only heard one bit a substance with regards to policy about taxing rich people and infusing the tax money into the community. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen but I did not hear a lot of policy, just a bunch of back and forth bantering. The fact that americans like this type of shit is unreal. Why can't we get back to which candidate is going to make our lives substantially better? Does anyone really think Biden or Trump are going to do that?
Just a clown... doing clown things
Posted:
#60
Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko:
Why can't we get back to which candidate is going to make our lives substantially better? Does anyone really think Biden or Trump are going to do that?
Why can't we get back to which candidate is going to make our lives substantially better? Does anyone really think Biden or Trump are going to do that?
Agreed.
We should note however, that while any president can play a part in making "our lives substantially better" - and by that we mean the MAJORITY of the people - not primarily the top 10% lucky ones or a particular class/segment of our society - the most power and significance lies in Congress, not the president or admin per se.
Our path FORWARD ultimately depends on Congress, and to a lesser degree the admin as well as SCOTUS.
But our path BACKWARD into chaos (or a stall toward progress) could eaily be directed by the WH admin, SCOTUS, or both inspite of Congress' efforts. We only have to witness the epic failure in pandemic response for proof.
Imagine if you will, trump is re-elected, but with a split Congress again. What can HE do to "make the MAJORITY of lives better" (as agreed in the eyes of the MAJORITY, not just one party) - when Congress fails or refuses to support his initiatives ? And if Dems have even one chamber they *WILL* oppose any initiative which fails to help the MAJORITY. To date, the overwhelming number of trump initiatives that require Congress support have NOT been helpful to the majority.
Likewise if a Biden admin is faced with a split Congress. The GOP will oppose virtually EVERYTHING his admin tries to initiate and we will have perpetual gridlock if the Republicans hold on to the Senate. Nothing of any real significance will occur. We witnessed this in the last 6 of Obama's 8 years in office. As long as we continue to elect split chambers in Congress, real positive changes can be and WILL BE thwarted by partisanship. At best, progress would be painfully slow.
Gridlock. Bottom line.
But, a President (or admin) can single-handidly (devoid of Congress) make life much more difficult, more stressful, and less safe -- as we have all witnessed since 2017...
In short, the power to make better lies MOSTLY with Congress.
But the power to make worse lies mostly in the White House.
What effect a Biden Admin may or may not have is pure speculation at this point - no matter what your party affiliation or political ideology. Just speculation.
But we have firsthand evidence of what a TRUMP Admin can do (or fail to do) for the *MAJORITY* of Americans ... The re-election of an incumbent president is ALWAYS a referendum on HIM....and it ain't pretty according to the overwhelming majority.
Posted:
#61
Yes, sure trump and his accomplices in his admin have done things to make the WEALTHY happy. (a tiny minority group)
And they have done things to make just ONE party (conservative ideology) happy....again a minority of Americans.
But what has he done to the betterment of the MAJORITY -- including Democrats and people of color -- which these Democrats and minorities agree with ??
And conversely what has he done to the detriment of the MAJORITY ?
Posted:
#62
Quote Originally Posted by Eddy_Winslow:
if you watched that debate and think Harris won there is no helping you!
if you watched that debate and think Harris won there is no helping you!
She was just as bad as Pence and that in itself is a problem. No side is giving policies, they are just lying and mudslinging. We the people deserve better. You guys maybe satisfied with pig slop but I am not.
Just a clown... doing clown things
Posted:
#63
Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko:
She was just as bad as Pence and that in itself is a problem. No side is giving policies, they are just lying and mudslinging.
It is true in my opinion that both sides are guilty of lying and mudslinging. No question!
But it is hardly EQUAL on both sides!
In my many years officiating basketball both at the highschool and adult levels, while EVERY team in EVERY game were charged with various "fouls" it was actually rare that the number of fouls was exactly equal by games end. And frequently it was lopsided. Just because there are two opposing factions does not mean everything is EQUAL. It isn't.
Pence was far more "loose with the facts" than Harris, as well as "mudslinging"
The truth is, because the actual real-life fact-checked *FACTS* are so damning against the trump regime, the left has no need to get stupid with false narratives -- they can just let the facts speak for themselves and sit back and watch the trump-regime trainwreck.
It's the right that needs to change THAT damning *FACTUAL* narrative around somehow because it really is bad....so they LIE and spin far more than the left. Strategically I can't really blame them for that since it's really all they have left.... It's like the Captain of the Titanic telling the passengers they did NOT hit an iceberg, they are NOT taking on water, and they are NOT in danger of sinking...
Posted:
#64
Quote Originally Posted by Eddy_Winslow:
if you watched that debate and think Harris won there is no helping you!
She didn't appear to be prepped to go off script. When she got cornered, all she could do was throw out the phony smile/laugh. OTOH, Pence managed to dodge a few questions, too, but was never really challenged from Harris.
if you watched that debate and think Harris won there is no helping you!
That debate hurt Harris more than it helped Pence.
Posted:
#65
Post-debate CNN poll:
Harris seen as winner
Harris did improve her favorability rating among those who watched,
according to the poll, while for Pence, the debate was a wash.
In pre-debate interviews, 56% said they had a positive view of Harris -
-- that ROSE to 63% after the debate!
For Pence, his favorability stood at 41% in both pre- and post-debate interviews.
More Americans said Sen. Kamala Harris did the best job in the vice presidential
debate Wednesday night, according to a CNN Instant Poll of registered voters
who watched.
59% said Harris won,
only 38% said Pence had the better night.
https://tinyurl.com/yyf8925w
Posted:
#66
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Post-debate CNN poll: Harris seen as winner Harris did improve her favorability rating among those who watched, according to the poll, while for Pence, the debate was a wash. In pre-debate interviews, 56% said they had a positive view of Harris - -- that ROSE to 63% after the debate! For Pence, his favorability stood at 41% in both pre- and post-debate interviews. More Americans said Sen. Kamala Harris did the best job in the vice presidential debate Wednesday night, according to a CNN Instant Poll of registered voters who watched. 59% said Harris won, only 38% said Pence had the better night.https://tinyurl.com/yyf8925w
I believe what I see, not somebody else. Post-debate CNN poll: Harris seen as winner Harris did improve her favorability rating among those who watched, according to the poll, while for Pence, the debate was a wash. In pre-debate interviews, 56% said they had a positive view of Harris - -- that ROSE to 63% after the debate! For Pence, his favorability stood at 41% in both pre- and post-debate interviews. More Americans said Sen. Kamala Harris did the best job in the vice presidential debate Wednesday night, according to a CNN Instant Poll of registered voters who watched. 59% said Harris won, only 38% said Pence had the better night.https://tinyurl.com/yyf8925w
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