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    fubah2
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2023 - 2:55 PM ET #126

    Fact check:
    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech

     

    Trump's lengthy address to the right-wing gathering in Maryland was filled with wildly inaccurate claims about his own presidency, Joe Biden's presidency, foreign affairs, crime, elections and other subjects.

    Here are a few of trump's whoppers:

    Crime in Manhattan
    While Trump criticized Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg,
    who has been investigating Trump's company, he claimed that
    "killings are taking place at a number like nobody's ever seen, r
    ight in Manhattan."

    Facts First:
    It isn't even close to true that Manhattan is experiencing a number
    of killings that nobody has ever seen. The region classified by the
    New York Police Department as Manhattan North had 43 reported
    murders in 2022; that region had 379 reported murders in 1990
    and 306 murders in 1993. The Manhattan South region had 35
    reported murders in 2022 versus 124 reported murders in 1990
    and 86 murders in 1993.
    New York City as a whole is also nowhere near record homicide levels;
    the city had 438 reported murders in 2022 versus 2,262 in 1990 and
    1,927 in 1993.
    Manhattan North had just 8 reported murders this year through
    February 19, while Manhattan South had one.
    The city as a whole had 49 reported murders.

    Reply

    Fact check:
    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech

     

    Trump's lengthy address to the right-wing gathering in Maryland was filled with wildly inaccurate claims about his own presidency, Joe Biden's presidency, foreign affairs, crime, elections and other subjects.

    Here are a few of trump's whoppers:

    Crime in Manhattan
    While Trump criticized Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg,
    who has been investigating Trump's company, he claimed that
    "killings are taking place at a number like nobody's ever seen, r
    ight in Manhattan."

    Facts First:
    It isn't even close to true that Manhattan is experiencing a number
    of killings that nobody has ever seen. The region classified by the
    New York Police Department as Manhattan North had 43 reported
    murders in 2022; that region had 379 reported murders in 1990
    and 306 murders in 1993. The Manhattan South region had 35
    reported murders in 2022 versus 124 reported murders in 1990
    and 86 murders in 1993.
    New York City as a whole is also nowhere near record homicide levels;
    the city had 438 reported murders in 2022 versus 2,262 in 1990 and
    1,927 in 1993.
    Manhattan North had just 8 reported murders this year through
    February 19, while Manhattan South had one.
    The city as a whole had 49 reported murders.

     
    fubah2
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2023 - 11:50 PM ET #127

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech  

    #2

    Another trump LIE!

    The National Guard and Minnesota


    Talking about rioting amid racial justice protests after the
    police murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis in 2020,
    Trump claimed he had been ready to send in the National Guard
    in Seattle, then added,
    "We saved Minneapolis. The thing is, we're not supposed
    to do that. Because it's up to the governor, the Democrat
    governor. They never want any help. They don't mind --
    it's almost like they don't mind to have their cities and
    states destroyed."

    Facts First:
    This is a reversal of reality! an_punch
    Minnesota's Democratic governor, Tim Walz, not Trump,
    was the one who deployed the Minnesota National Guard
    during the 2020 unrest; Walz first activated the Guard
    more than seven hours before Trump publicly threatened
    to deploy the Guard himself. Walz's office told CNN in 2020
    that the governor activated the Guard in response to
    requests from officials in Minneapolis and St. Paul --
    cities also run by Democrats.

    Trump has repeatedly made the false claim that
    he was the one who sent the Guard to Minneapolis.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech  

    #2

    Another trump LIE!

    The National Guard and Minnesota


    Talking about rioting amid racial justice protests after the
    police murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis in 2020,
    Trump claimed he had been ready to send in the National Guard
    in Seattle, then added,
    "We saved Minneapolis. The thing is, we're not supposed
    to do that. Because it's up to the governor, the Democrat
    governor. They never want any help. They don't mind --
    it's almost like they don't mind to have their cities and
    states destroyed."

    Facts First:
    This is a reversal of reality! an_punch
    Minnesota's Democratic governor, Tim Walz, not Trump,
    was the one who deployed the Minnesota National Guard
    during the 2020 unrest; Walz first activated the Guard
    more than seven hours before Trump publicly threatened
    to deploy the Guard himself. Walz's office told CNN in 2020
    that the governor activated the Guard in response to
    requests from officials in Minneapolis and St. Paul --
    cities also run by Democrats.

    Trump has repeatedly made the false claim that
    he was the one who sent the Guard to Minneapolis.

     
    fubah2
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2023 - 11:56 AM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    LIE #3

    Trump's executive order on monuments

    Trump boasted that he had taken effective action as president
    to stop the destruction of statues and memorials.
    He claimed: "I passed and signed an executive order.
    Anybody that does that gets 10 years in jail, with no negotiation
    -- it's not '10' but it turns into three months."
    He added: "But we passed it. It was a very old law, and we
    found it -- one of my very good legal people along with
    [adviser] Stephen Miller, they found it. They said,
    'Sir, I don't know if you want to try and bring this back.'
    I said. 'I do.'"

    Facts First:
    Trump's claim is flat out a big effing LIE!!
    He did not create a mandatory 10-year sentence for people
    who damage monuments. In fact, his 2020 executive order
    did not mandate any increase in sentences!!
          Rather, the executive order simply directed the AG to
    "prioritize" investigations and prosecutions of monument-
    destruction cases and declared that it is federal policy to
    prosecute such cases to the fullest extent permitted under
    existing law, including an existing law that allowed a
    sentence of up to 10 years in prison for willfully damaging
    federal property.
    Trump's executive order did NOTHING to force judges an_light
    to impose a 10-year sentence  like he falsely claimed.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    LIE #3

    Trump's executive order on monuments

    Trump boasted that he had taken effective action as president
    to stop the destruction of statues and memorials.
    He claimed: "I passed and signed an executive order.
    Anybody that does that gets 10 years in jail, with no negotiation
    -- it's not '10' but it turns into three months."
    He added: "But we passed it. It was a very old law, and we
    found it -- one of my very good legal people along with
    [adviser] Stephen Miller, they found it. They said,
    'Sir, I don't know if you want to try and bring this back.'
    I said. 'I do.'"

    Facts First:
    Trump's claim is flat out a big effing LIE!!
    He did not create a mandatory 10-year sentence for people
    who damage monuments. In fact, his 2020 executive order
    did not mandate any increase in sentences!!
          Rather, the executive order simply directed the AG to
    "prioritize" investigations and prosecutions of monument-
    destruction cases and declared that it is federal policy to
    prosecute such cases to the fullest extent permitted under
    existing law, including an existing law that allowed a
    sentence of up to 10 years in prison for willfully damaging
    federal property.
    Trump's executive order did NOTHING to force judges an_light
    to impose a 10-year sentence  like he falsely claimed.

     
    fubah2
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2023 - 2:37 PM ET #129

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    #4

    Vandalism in Portland

    Trump claimed,
    "How's Portland doing? They don't even have storefronts
    anymore. Everything's two-by-four's because they get
    burned down every week."

     

    Facts First:
    This is a major exaggeration.

    Portland obviously still has hundreds of active storefronts,
    though it has struggled with downtown commercial vacancies
    for various reasons, and some businesses are sometimes
    vandalized by protesters. Trump has for years exaggerated the
    extent of property damage from protest vandalism in Portland.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    #4

    Vandalism in Portland

    Trump claimed,
    "How's Portland doing? They don't even have storefronts
    anymore. Everything's two-by-four's because they get
    burned down every week."

     

    Facts First:
    This is a major exaggeration.

    Portland obviously still has hundreds of active storefronts,
    though it has struggled with downtown commercial vacancies
    for various reasons, and some businesses are sometimes
    vandalized by protesters. Trump has for years exaggerated the
    extent of property damage from protest vandalism in Portland.

     
    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2023 - 2:39 PM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:
    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech

    Trump's lengthy address to the right-wing gathering in Maryland was filled with wildly inaccurate claims about his own presidency, Joe Biden's presidency, foreign affairs, crime, elections and other subjects.

    Here are a few of trump's whoppers:

    Crime in Manhattan
    While Trump criticized Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg,
    who has been investigating Trump's company, he claimed that
    "killings are taking place at a number like nobody's ever seen, r
    ight in Manhattan."

    Facts First:
    It isn't even close to true that Manhattan is experiencing a number
    of killings that nobody has ever seen. The region classified by the
    New York Police Department as Manhattan North had 43 reported
    murders in 2022; that region had 379 reported murders in 1990
    and 306 murders in 1993. The Manhattan South region had 35
    reported murders in 2022 versus 124 reported murders in 1990
    and 86 murders in 1993.
    New York City as a whole is also nowhere near record homicide levels;
    the city had 438 reported murders in 2022 versus 2,262 in 1990 and
    1,927 in 1993.
    Manhattan North had just 8 reported murders this year through
    February 19, while Manhattan South had one.
    The city as a whole had 49 reported murders.

    i think he actually likes to lie

     

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:
    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech

    Trump's lengthy address to the right-wing gathering in Maryland was filled with wildly inaccurate claims about his own presidency, Joe Biden's presidency, foreign affairs, crime, elections and other subjects.

    Here are a few of trump's whoppers:

    Crime in Manhattan
    While Trump criticized Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg,
    who has been investigating Trump's company, he claimed that
    "killings are taking place at a number like nobody's ever seen, r
    ight in Manhattan."

    Facts First:
    It isn't even close to true that Manhattan is experiencing a number
    of killings that nobody has ever seen. The region classified by the
    New York Police Department as Manhattan North had 43 reported
    murders in 2022; that region had 379 reported murders in 1990
    and 306 murders in 1993. The Manhattan South region had 35
    reported murders in 2022 versus 124 reported murders in 1990
    and 86 murders in 1993.
    New York City as a whole is also nowhere near record homicide levels;
    the city had 438 reported murders in 2022 versus 2,262 in 1990 and
    1,927 in 1993.
    Manhattan North had just 8 reported murders this year through
    February 19, while Manhattan South had one.
    The city as a whole had 49 reported murders.

    i think he actually likes to lie

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2023 - 3:35 PM ET #131

    Under Manhattan's DA Bragg Manhattan crime rates are up through Nov. 20 over the same period last year by 38% in Manhattan South and 17% in Manhattan North. 

    Bragg’s own decisions clearly drive much of the troubling data: His office has downgraded 52% of felony cases to misdemeanors, vs. 39% in 2019. The office under Vance from 2013 onward never downgraded more than 40% of felony cases.

    Bragg’s office wins a conviction just 51% of the time” when it prosecutes serious felony charges — “down from 68% in 2019 [under DA Cy Vance], the last year before the pandemic disrupted the court system.”

    Many top prosecutors left Manhattan when Bragg introduced his crazy polices. 

    New Yorkers fed up with unsafe streets were glad to see 2022 end — along with its 23% surge in major crimes.

    Reply

    Under Manhattan's DA Bragg Manhattan crime rates are up through Nov. 20 over the same period last year by 38% in Manhattan South and 17% in Manhattan North. 

    Bragg’s own decisions clearly drive much of the troubling data: His office has downgraded 52% of felony cases to misdemeanors, vs. 39% in 2019. The office under Vance from 2013 onward never downgraded more than 40% of felony cases.

    Bragg’s office wins a conviction just 51% of the time” when it prosecutes serious felony charges — “down from 68% in 2019 [under DA Cy Vance], the last year before the pandemic disrupted the court system.”

    Many top prosecutors left Manhattan when Bragg introduced his crazy polices. 

    New Yorkers fed up with unsafe streets were glad to see 2022 end — along with its 23% surge in major crimes.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2023 - 4:07 PM ET #132

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Trump claimed that "killings are taking place at a number like nobody's ever seen, right in Manhattan."

    Politifact rates false Trump's claim exaggerating Manhattan crime levels.  New York police data shows major felony offenses peaked in the 1990s and have been declining since despite growing population.  In 2022, 34,000 felony offenses are far from record level of 150,000 in 1990.  Total number of felony offenses in 2022 are lower than in 4 previous years.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Trump claimed that "killings are taking place at a number like nobody's ever seen, right in Manhattan."

    Politifact rates false Trump's claim exaggerating Manhattan crime levels.  New York police data shows major felony offenses peaked in the 1990s and have been declining since despite growing population.  In 2022, 34,000 felony offenses are far from record level of 150,000 in 1990.  Total number of felony offenses in 2022 are lower than in 4 previous years.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2023 - 1:13 AM ET #133

    Forget the lying for a moment.

     

    He threatened blood in the streets of indictedo.

    He plans a huge speech palm Sunday 30th anniversary of Waco Texas..

     After the failed coop Jan 6th..

    It really isn't a mystery of what the man's capable of leading..,

     

     

     

     

    Reply

    Forget the lying for a moment.

     

    He threatened blood in the streets of indictedo.

    He plans a huge speech palm Sunday 30th anniversary of Waco Texas..

     After the failed coop Jan 6th..

    It really isn't a mystery of what the man's capable of leading..,

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2023 - 3:03 PM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    #5

    Russian expansionism

    Boasting of his foreign policy record, Trump claimed,
    "I was also the only president where Russia didn't
    take over a country during my term."

    Facts First: While it's true that Russia didn't take over a
    country during Trump's term, it's not true that he was
    the only US president under whom Russia didn't take
    over a country.
    an_light"Totally false," said Michael Khodarkovsky,
    a Loyola University Chicago history professor who is an
    expert on Russian imperialism.

    "If by Russia he means the current Russian Federation
    that existed since 1991, then the best example is Clinton,
    1992-98. During this time Russia fought a war in Chechnya,
    but Chechnya was not a country but one of Russia's regions."

    Khodarkovsky added, "If by Russia he means the USSR,
    as people often do, then from 1945, when the USSR
    occupied much of Eastern Europe until 1979, when USSR
    invaded Afghanistan, Moscow did not take over any new
    country. It only sent forces into countries it had taken over
    in 1945 (Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968)."

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    #5

    Russian expansionism

    Boasting of his foreign policy record, Trump claimed,
    "I was also the only president where Russia didn't
    take over a country during my term."

    Facts First: While it's true that Russia didn't take over a
    country during Trump's term, it's not true that he was
    the only US president under whom Russia didn't take
    over a country.
    an_light"Totally false," said Michael Khodarkovsky,
    a Loyola University Chicago history professor who is an
    expert on Russian imperialism.

    "If by Russia he means the current Russian Federation
    that existed since 1991, then the best example is Clinton,
    1992-98. During this time Russia fought a war in Chechnya,
    but Chechnya was not a country but one of Russia's regions."

    Khodarkovsky added, "If by Russia he means the USSR,
    as people often do, then from 1945, when the USSR
    occupied much of Eastern Europe until 1979, when USSR
    invaded Afghanistan, Moscow did not take over any new
    country. It only sent forces into countries it had taken over
    in 1945 (Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968)."

     
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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2023 - 6:18 AM ET #135

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    He threatened blood in the streets of indictedo. He plans a huge speech palm Sunday 30th anniversary of Waco Texas..  After the failed coop Jan 6th.. It really isn't a mystery of what the man's capable of leading..,

    Unfortunately,  this is true.   

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    He threatened blood in the streets of indictedo. He plans a huge speech palm Sunday 30th anniversary of Waco Texas..  After the failed coop Jan 6th.. It really isn't a mystery of what the man's capable of leading..,

    Unfortunately,  this is true.   

     
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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2023 - 8:40 AM ET #136

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    LIE #6

     

    NATO funding

    Trump said while talking about NATO funding:
    "And I told delinquent foreign nations -- they were
    delinquent, they weren't paying their bills -- that if
    they wanted our protection, they had to pay up,
    and they had to pay up now!!"

    Facts First: an_light
    It's not true that NATO countries weren't paying "bills"
    until Trump came along or that they were "delinquent"
    in the sense of failing to pay bills -- as numerous
    fact-checkers pointed out when Trump repeatedly used
    such language during his presidency.

    NATO members have not been failing to pay their share
    of the organization's common budget to run the organization.

         And while it's true that most NATO countries were not
    (and still are not) meeting NATO's target of each country
    spending a minimum of 2% of gross domestic product on
    defense, that 2% figure is what NATO calls a "guideline";
    it is not  some sort of binding contract, an_light
    and it does not create liabilities.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    LIE #6

     

    NATO funding

    Trump said while talking about NATO funding:
    "And I told delinquent foreign nations -- they were
    delinquent, they weren't paying their bills -- that if
    they wanted our protection, they had to pay up,
    and they had to pay up now!!"

    Facts First: an_light
    It's not true that NATO countries weren't paying "bills"
    until Trump came along or that they were "delinquent"
    in the sense of failing to pay bills -- as numerous
    fact-checkers pointed out when Trump repeatedly used
    such language during his presidency.

    NATO members have not been failing to pay their share
    of the organization's common budget to run the organization.

         And while it's true that most NATO countries were not
    (and still are not) meeting NATO's target of each country
    spending a minimum of 2% of gross domestic product on
    defense, that 2% figure is what NATO calls a "guideline";
    it is not  some sort of binding contract, an_light
    and it does not create liabilities.

     
    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2023 - 1:27 PM ET #137

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Fact check: Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech   #2 Another trump LIE! The National Guard and Minnesota Talking about rioting amid racial justice protests after the police murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis in 2020, Trump claimed he had been ready to send in the National Guard in Seattle, then added, "We saved Minneapolis. The thing is, we're not supposed to do that. Because it's up to the governor, the Democrat governor. They never want any help. They don't mind -- it's almost like they don't mind to have their cities and states destroyed." Facts First: This is a reversal of reality!  Minnesota's Democratic governor, Tim Walz, not Trump, was the one who deployed the Minnesota National Guard during the 2020 unrest; Walz first activated the Guard more than seven hours before Trump publicly threatened to deploy the Guard himself. Walz's office told CNN in 2020 that the governor activated the Guard in response to requests from officials in Minneapolis and St. Paul -- cities also run by Democrats. Trump has repeatedly made the false claim that he was the one who sent the Guard to Minneapolis.

    chump lied again  thumbs_down for his own political gain of course

     

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Fact check: Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech   #2 Another trump LIE! The National Guard and Minnesota Talking about rioting amid racial justice protests after the police murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis in 2020, Trump claimed he had been ready to send in the National Guard in Seattle, then added, "We saved Minneapolis. The thing is, we're not supposed to do that. Because it's up to the governor, the Democrat governor. They never want any help. They don't mind -- it's almost like they don't mind to have their cities and states destroyed." Facts First: This is a reversal of reality!  Minnesota's Democratic governor, Tim Walz, not Trump, was the one who deployed the Minnesota National Guard during the 2020 unrest; Walz first activated the Guard more than seven hours before Trump publicly threatened to deploy the Guard himself. Walz's office told CNN in 2020 that the governor activated the Guard in response to requests from officials in Minneapolis and St. Paul -- cities also run by Democrats. Trump has repeatedly made the false claim that he was the one who sent the Guard to Minneapolis.

    chump lied again  thumbs_down for his own political gain of course

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 29, 2023 - 9:54 PM ET #138

    FORBES -

    Former President Donald Trump railed against
    his possibly looming indictment at his first rally
    for the 2024 presidential election on Saturday,
    attacking prosecutors in Manhattan for having
    the nerve to investigate his crimes and
    an_light  proclaiming himself to be
    “the most innocent man in the history of our country.”

     

    new_sick

    Reply

    FORBES -

    Former President Donald Trump railed against
    his possibly looming indictment at his first rally
    for the 2024 presidential election on Saturday,
    attacking prosecutors in Manhattan for having
    the nerve to investigate his crimes and
    an_light  proclaiming himself to be
    “the most innocent man in the history of our country.”

     

    new_sick

     
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    @Midnight1

     

    "Hopefully we can recruit others for the holiday care plans. I think it's a little weird that so few want to get involved because it's such a great way to help others. So many in here talk regularly about their wealth but won't throw in a hundy to help fellow Americans in need.

    I wish someone would explain it to me."

    Simple enough: When it comes to lying about wealth and generosity Trump ain't the only one.

    an_light

    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    @Midnight1

     

    "Hopefully we can recruit others for the holiday care plans. I think it's a little weird that so few want to get involved because it's such a great way to help others. So many in here talk regularly about their wealth but won't throw in a hundy to help fellow Americans in need.

    I wish someone would explain it to me."

    Simple enough: When it comes to lying about wealth and generosity Trump ain't the only one.

    an_light

     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2023 - 12:42 PM ET #140

    Trump using Waco as a place of honor as Maga Extremist try to use leaders of Jan.6 as political prisoners, new_poopnew_poopnew_poop.

    Waco was where 4 ATF Officers were murdered by Branch Davidian members and the leader was being investigated for abusing minor children, which at time was reported as condone by children parents. Now since there was no trial most of what was reported we do not know what is true. There is a new Waco series but I will never watch it, I assume it is for Trump supporters.

    These are the 2 groups that Trump and his followers in Congress have decided to show their support for the Insurrections against the USA. Just hard to believe any of them were re-elected from their States. angryangrythumbs_downthumbs_down

    Reply

    Trump using Waco as a place of honor as Maga Extremist try to use leaders of Jan.6 as political prisoners, new_poopnew_poopnew_poop.

    Waco was where 4 ATF Officers were murdered by Branch Davidian members and the leader was being investigated for abusing minor children, which at time was reported as condone by children parents. Now since there was no trial most of what was reported we do not know what is true. There is a new Waco series but I will never watch it, I assume it is for Trump supporters.

    These are the 2 groups that Trump and his followers in Congress have decided to show their support for the Insurrections against the USA. Just hard to believe any of them were re-elected from their States. angryangrythumbs_downthumbs_down

     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2023 - 8:46 AM ET #141

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    LIE #6  

    NATO funding Trump said while talking about NATO funding: "And I told delinquent foreign nations -- they were delinquent, they weren't paying their bills -- that if they wanted our protection, they had to pay up, and they had to pay up now!!" Facts First:  It's not true that NATO countries weren't paying "bills" until Trump came along or that they were "delinquent" in the sense of failing to pay bills -- as numerous fact-checkers pointed out when Trump repeatedly used such language during his presidency. NATO members have not been failing to pay their share of the organization's common budget to run the organization.      And while it's true that most NATO countries were not (and still are not) meeting NATO's target of each country spending a minimum of 2% of gross domestic product on defense, that 2% figure is what NATO calls a "guideline"; it is not  some sort of binding contract,  and it does not create liabilities.

    An official NATO recommitment to the 2% guideline in 2014
    merely said that members not currently at that level would
    "aim to move towards the 2% guideline within a decade."

    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg did credit Trump
    for securing increases in European NATO members' defense
    spending, but it's worth noting that those countries' spending
    had also increased in the last two years of the Obama
    administration following Russia's 2014 annexation of
    Ukraine's Crimea and the recommitment that year to the
    2% guideline.
     an_light     NATO notes on its website that 2022 was
    "the 8th consecutive year of rising defence spending
    across European Allies and Canada." (preceeding trump!!!)

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    LIE #6  

    NATO funding Trump said while talking about NATO funding: "And I told delinquent foreign nations -- they were delinquent, they weren't paying their bills -- that if they wanted our protection, they had to pay up, and they had to pay up now!!" Facts First:  It's not true that NATO countries weren't paying "bills" until Trump came along or that they were "delinquent" in the sense of failing to pay bills -- as numerous fact-checkers pointed out when Trump repeatedly used such language during his presidency. NATO members have not been failing to pay their share of the organization's common budget to run the organization.      And while it's true that most NATO countries were not (and still are not) meeting NATO's target of each country spending a minimum of 2% of gross domestic product on defense, that 2% figure is what NATO calls a "guideline"; it is not  some sort of binding contract,  and it does not create liabilities.

    An official NATO recommitment to the 2% guideline in 2014
    merely said that members not currently at that level would
    "aim to move towards the 2% guideline within a decade."

    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg did credit Trump
    for securing increases in European NATO members' defense
    spending, but it's worth noting that those countries' spending
    had also increased in the last two years of the Obama
    administration following Russia's 2014 annexation of
    Ukraine's Crimea and the recommitment that year to the
    2% guideline.
     an_light     NATO notes on its website that 2022 was
    "the 8th consecutive year of rising defence spending
    across European Allies and Canada." (preceeding trump!!!)

     
    fubah2
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2023 - 3:30 PM ET #142

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    Lie #7

    NATO's existence?

    Boasting of how he had secured additional funding for NATO
    from countries, Trump claimed, "Actually, NATO wouldn't
    even exist if I didn't get them to pay up."

     

    Facts First:
    This is complete nonsense.


    There was never any indication that NATO, created in 1949,
    would have ceased to exist in the early 2020s without additional
    funding from some members. The alliance was stable even with
    many members not meeting the alliance's guideline of having
    members spend 2% of their gross domestic product on defense.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    Lie #7

    NATO's existence?

    Boasting of how he had secured additional funding for NATO
    from countries, Trump claimed, "Actually, NATO wouldn't
    even exist if I didn't get them to pay up."

     

    Facts First:
    This is complete nonsense.


    There was never any indication that NATO, created in 1949,
    would have ceased to exist in the early 2020s without additional
    funding from some members. The alliance was stable even with
    many members not meeting the alliance's guideline of having
    members spend 2% of their gross domestic product on defense.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2023 - 5:45 PM ET #143

    Will the now indicted boss of the Trump Crime Family ever stop lying to everyone?!

    Reply

    Will the now indicted boss of the Trump Crime Family ever stop lying to everyone?!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2023 - 5:52 PM ET #144

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Will the now indicted boss of the Trump Crime Family ever stop lying to everyone?!
    I think I'm gonna put my money on a "big fat" no.Or should I say hell no.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Will the now indicted boss of the Trump Crime Family ever stop lying to everyone?!
    I think I'm gonna put my money on a "big fat" no.Or should I say hell no.

     
    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2023 - 9:57 AM ET #145

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    FORBES -

    Former President Donald Trump railed against
    his possibly looming indictment at his first rally
    for the 2024 presidential election on Saturday,
    attacking prosecutors in Manhattan for having
    the nerve to investigate his crimes and
    an_light  proclaiming himself to be
    “the most innocent man in the history of our country.”

    new_poop

     

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    FORBES -

    Former President Donald Trump railed against
    his possibly looming indictment at his first rally
    for the 2024 presidential election on Saturday,
    attacking prosecutors in Manhattan for having
    the nerve to investigate his crimes and
    an_light  proclaiming himself to be
    “the most innocent man in the history of our country.”

    new_poop

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2023 - 2:32 AM ET #146

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Will the now indicted boss of the Trump Crime Family ever stop lying to everyone?!I think I'm gonna put my money on a "big fat" no.Or should I say hell no.

    Either works as the correct answer peace_5

     

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Will the now indicted boss of the Trump Crime Family ever stop lying to everyone?!I think I'm gonna put my money on a "big fat" no.Or should I say hell no.

    Either works as the correct answer peace_5

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2023 - 7:46 AM ET #147

    Quote Originally Posted by JEG53:

    Trump using Waco as a place of honor as Maga Extremist try to use leaders of Jan.6 as political prisoners, . Waco was where 4 ATF Officers were murdered by Branch Davidian members and the leader was being investigated for abusing minor children, which at time was reported as condone by children parents. Now since there was no trial most of what was reported we do not know what is true. There is a new Waco series but I will never watch it, I assume it is for Trump supporters. These are the 2 groups that Trump and his followers in Congress have decided to show their support for the Insurrections against the USA. Just hard to believe any of them were re-elected from their States.

    goodpost thx

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by JEG53:

    Trump using Waco as a place of honor as Maga Extremist try to use leaders of Jan.6 as political prisoners, . Waco was where 4 ATF Officers were murdered by Branch Davidian members and the leader was being investigated for abusing minor children, which at time was reported as condone by children parents. Now since there was no trial most of what was reported we do not know what is true. There is a new Waco series but I will never watch it, I assume it is for Trump supporters. These are the 2 groups that Trump and his followers in Congress have decided to show their support for the Insurrections against the USA. Just hard to believe any of them were re-elected from their States.

    goodpost thx

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2023 - 10:02 AM ET #148

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    LIE #8

    The cost of NATO's headquarters

    an_light Trump mocked NATO's headquarters, saying,
    "They spent -- an office building that cost $3 billion.
    It's like a skyscraper in Manhattan laid on its side.
    It's one of the longest buildings I've ever seen.
    And I said, 'You should have -- instead of spending
    $3 billion, you should have spent $500 million building
    the greatest bunker you've ever seen."

    Facts First:


    Trump's "$3 billion" figure is a major exaggeration.
    When Trump used the same inaccurate figure in early 2020,
    NATO told CNN that the headquarters was actually constructed
    for a sum under the approved budget of about $1.18 billion euro,
    which is about $1.3 billion at exchange rates as of Sunday morning.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Fact check:

    Trump delivers wildly dishonest speech 

    LIE #8

    The cost of NATO's headquarters

    an_light Trump mocked NATO's headquarters, saying,
    "They spent -- an office building that cost $3 billion.
    It's like a skyscraper in Manhattan laid on its side.
    It's one of the longest buildings I've ever seen.
    And I said, 'You should have -- instead of spending
    $3 billion, you should have spent $500 million building
    the greatest bunker you've ever seen."

    Facts First:


    Trump's "$3 billion" figure is a major exaggeration.
    When Trump used the same inaccurate figure in early 2020,
    NATO told CNN that the headquarters was actually constructed
    for a sum under the approved budget of about $1.18 billion euro,
    which is about $1.3 billion at exchange rates as of Sunday morning.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2023 - 6:21 PM ET #149

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Will the now indicted boss of the Trump Crime Family ever stop lying to everyone?!I think I'm gonna put my money on a "big fat" no.Or should I say hell no. Either works as the correct answer

    Exactly!

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Will the now indicted boss of the Trump Crime Family ever stop lying to everyone?!I think I'm gonna put my money on a "big fat" no.Or should I say hell no. Either works as the correct answer

    Exactly!

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2023 - 6:21 PM ET #150

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Will the now indicted boss of the Trump Crime Family ever stop lying to everyone?!I think I'm gonna put my money on a "big fat" no.Or should I say hell no. Either works as the correct answer

    Exactly!

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Will the now indicted boss of the Trump Crime Family ever stop lying to everyone?!I think I'm gonna put my money on a "big fat" no.Or should I say hell no. Either works as the correct answer

    Exactly!

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