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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 11:19 AM ET #1

     “The problem with this 'new' birth certificate is that it's, well....new. It lists his birthday as August 4, 1961, then lists his father's native country as Kenya. The problem with that is Kenya didn't exist until 1963; it was British East Africa or East Africa Protectorate until then. It also lists the hospital of his birth as Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, which didn't exist until 1978. Prior to that time it was Kauaikeolani Children's Hospital. It is also dated April 25, 2011, with Dr. Alvin T. Onaka signing to the stamp of "I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii Department of State Health". Being an abstract does not mean it is real or official; it means it matches what is in the electronic system, which would have been put in some time after 1978 because of the hospital name, and as recently as April 25, 2011, because of the date, or any time in between.”
      
    also.........at this time, 1961, they were still recorded as ' negro' not African American...


     "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin
    "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.” - Edward R. Murrow
    "There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." --James Madison
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     “The problem with this 'new' birth certificate is that it's, well....new. It lists his birthday as August 4, 1961, then lists his father's native country as Kenya. The problem with that is Kenya didn't exist until 1963; it was British East Africa or East Africa Protectorate until then. It also lists the hospital of his birth as Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, which didn't exist until 1978. Prior to that time it was Kauaikeolani Children's Hospital. It is also dated April 25, 2011, with Dr. Alvin T. Onaka signing to the stamp of "I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii Department of State Health". Being an abstract does not mean it is real or official; it means it matches what is in the electronic system, which would have been put in some time after 1978 because of the hospital name, and as recently as April 25, 2011, because of the date, or any time in between.”
      
    also.........at this time, 1961, they were still recorded as ' negro' not African American...


     "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin
    "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.” - Edward R. Murrow
    "There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." --James Madison
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 12:18 PM ET #2

    I'm sure when they released the birth certificate it was without thinking that birthers like yourself might look into the details.

    I think some people don't have an understanding of the terms 'abstract' versus computer generated.

    Here is a hint...the hospital records, the basis for the information on a birth certificate (you know, like when you order a replacement), are what is used for the information on said certificate.

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    I'm sure when they released the birth certificate it was without thinking that birthers like yourself might look into the details.

    I think some people don't have an understanding of the terms 'abstract' versus computer generated.

    Here is a hint...the hospital records, the basis for the information on a birth certificate (you know, like when you order a replacement), are what is used for the information on said certificate.

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 12:27 PM ET #3



    so does that mean there is NO original at that hospital then?  what would the 'original' say for the hospital then.....the future name of it?

    just curious


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    so does that mean there is NO original at that hospital then?  what would the 'original' say for the hospital then.....the future name of it?

    just curious


     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 1:22 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by AcerRubrum:



    so does that mean there is NO original at that hospital then?  what would the 'original' say for the hospital then.....the future name of it?

    just curious


    The 'original' is likely long gone. All that is left is what is in the computer, in this case, data that was entered in 1978.

    I don't have my original BC. I have a copy that I needed when I obtained my passport. The information on my 'copy' is based on what is in the computer system. They don't have a file on every person and have an old lady that goes into archives and photocopies the original, although it would make for a cool movie scene.

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    so does that mean there is NO original at that hospital then?  what would the 'original' say for the hospital then.....the future name of it?

    just curious


    The 'original' is likely long gone. All that is left is what is in the computer, in this case, data that was entered in 1978.

    I don't have my original BC. I have a copy that I needed when I obtained my passport. The information on my 'copy' is based on what is in the computer system. They don't have a file on every person and have an old lady that goes into archives and photocopies the original, although it would make for a cool movie scene.

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 1:27 PM ET #5

    It amazes me that the DEM.s are so caught up in BHO that they won't question anything about the man. It seems that NO ONE recalls him at Columbia or anywhere else for that matter and he refuses to release any records yet the DEM.s just go along. If this was a REPUB. I would want to know WHY he was hiding this information.

    I guess the followers don't care.

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    It amazes me that the DEM.s are so caught up in BHO that they won't question anything about the man. It seems that NO ONE recalls him at Columbia or anywhere else for that matter and he refuses to release any records yet the DEM.s just go along. If this was a REPUB. I would want to know WHY he was hiding this information.

    I guess the followers don't care.

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 1:31 PM ET #6

    And so your explanation of the apparent "mistakes" is???

    And the document carries the signature of someone named UKL lee



    And there's a long history of dubious docs.

    Biggest fraud in US history. Bernie Madoff x 1 million
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    And so your explanation of the apparent "mistakes" is???

    And the document carries the signature of someone named UKL lee



    And there's a long history of dubious docs.

    Biggest fraud in US history. Bernie Madoff x 1 million
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 1:34 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by ApacheM:

     “The problem with this 'new' birth certificate is that it's, well....new. It lists his birthday as August 4, 1961, then lists his father's native country as Kenya. The problem with that is Kenya didn't exist until 1963; it was British East Africa or East Africa Protectorate until then. It also lists the hospital of his birth as Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, which didn't exist until 1978. Prior to that time it was Kauaikeolani Children's Hospital. It is also dated April 25, 2011, with Dr. Alvin T. Onaka signing to the stamp of "I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii Department of State Health". Being an abstract does not mean it is real or official; it means it matches what is in the electronic system, which would have been put in some time after 1978 because of the hospital name, and as recently as April 25, 2011, because of the date, or any time in between.”
      
    also.........at this time, 1961, they were still recorded as ' negro' not African American...


     "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin
    "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.” - Edward R. Murrow
    "There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." --James Madison

    There is a reason he released the forgery a week before authorizing the SeAL team to take out Bin Laden

    ||an_blowhorn.gif' border=0> WAG THE DOG !!

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     “The problem with this 'new' birth certificate is that it's, well....new. It lists his birthday as August 4, 1961, then lists his father's native country as Kenya. The problem with that is Kenya didn't exist until 1963; it was British East Africa or East Africa Protectorate until then. It also lists the hospital of his birth as Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, which didn't exist until 1978. Prior to that time it was Kauaikeolani Children's Hospital. It is also dated April 25, 2011, with Dr. Alvin T. Onaka signing to the stamp of "I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii Department of State Health". Being an abstract does not mean it is real or official; it means it matches what is in the electronic system, which would have been put in some time after 1978 because of the hospital name, and as recently as April 25, 2011, because of the date, or any time in between.”
      
    also.........at this time, 1961, they were still recorded as ' negro' not African American...


     "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin
    "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.” - Edward R. Murrow
    "There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." --James Madison

    There is a reason he released the forgery a week before authorizing the SeAL team to take out Bin Laden

    ||an_blowhorn.gif' border=0> WAG THE DOG !!

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 1:36 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by AcerRubrum:



    so does that mean there is NO original at that hospital then?  what would the 'original' say for the hospital then.....the future name of it?

    just curious


    Original was blown up here, on August 7, 1998

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    so does that mean there is NO original at that hospital then?  what would the 'original' say for the hospital then.....the future name of it?

    just curious


    Original was blown up here, on August 7, 1998

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 1:41 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by ApacheM:

    It amazes me that the DEM.s are so caught up in BHO that they won't question anything about the man. It seems that NO ONE recalls him at Columbia or anywhere else for that matter and he refuses to release any records yet the DEM.s just go along. If this was a REPUB. I would want to know WHY he was hiding this information.

    I guess the followers don't care.

    Not as amazing as right wing extremists spending time on a birth certificate rather than the real issues in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApacheM:

    It amazes me that the DEM.s are so caught up in BHO that they won't question anything about the man. It seems that NO ONE recalls him at Columbia or anywhere else for that matter and he refuses to release any records yet the DEM.s just go along. If this was a REPUB. I would want to know WHY he was hiding this information.

    I guess the followers don't care.

    Not as amazing as right wing extremists spending time on a birth certificate rather than the real issues in this country.

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 1:57 PM ET #10

     

    Birthers moving further and further along the Curve of Political Irrelevancy.

     

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    Birthers moving further and further along the Curve of Political Irrelevancy.

     

     
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    You poor, poor repubs - can't produce any candidates worth a damn so you have to go after this kinda BS. Just like when you couldn't stand Clinton's popularity & him gettin credit for the good economic times & had to go after him on sex stuff after everything else failed.

    Sad shit & must be frustrating as hell for you guys. Get ready to keep bitchin about Obama for another 6 yrs

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    You poor, poor repubs - can't produce any candidates worth a damn so you have to go after this kinda BS. Just like when you couldn't stand Clinton's popularity & him gettin credit for the good economic times & had to go after him on sex stuff after everything else failed.

    Sad shit & must be frustrating as hell for you guys. Get ready to keep bitchin about Obama for another 6 yrs

     
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    “You’re travelling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind: a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.  That’s the signpost up ahead – your next stop, the Twilight Zone!  Welcome Birthers”

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    “You’re travelling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind: a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.  That’s the signpost up ahead – your next stop, the Twilight Zone!  Welcome Birthers”

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 2:02 PM ET #13

    I have no doubt in my mind that the overwhelming majority of birthers would have been happier if military members died in a failed attempt on Osama if it meant no reelection.

    Sad and delusional.

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    I have no doubt in my mind that the overwhelming majority of birthers would have been happier if military members died in a failed attempt on Osama if it meant no reelection.

    Sad and delusional.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cashin:

    You poor, poor repubs - can't produce any candidates worth a damn so you have to go after this kinda BS. Just like when you couldn't stand Clinton's popularity & him gettin credit for the good economic times & had to go after him on sex stuff after everything else failed.

    Sad shit & must be frustrating as hell for you guys. Get ready to keep bitchin about Obama for another 6 yrs


    I dont like Obama at all, he is nothing different than what we had the last eight years, but you are SPOT on with that observation. 
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    You poor, poor repubs - can't produce any candidates worth a damn so you have to go after this kinda BS. Just like when you couldn't stand Clinton's popularity & him gettin credit for the good economic times & had to go after him on sex stuff after everything else failed.

    Sad shit & must be frustrating as hell for you guys. Get ready to keep bitchin about Obama for another 6 yrs


    I dont like Obama at all, he is nothing different than what we had the last eight years, but you are SPOT on with that observation. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cashin:

    You poor, poor repubs - can't produce any candidates worth a damn so you have to go after this kinda BS. Just like when you couldn't stand Clinton's popularity & him gettin credit for the good economic times & had to go after him on sex stuff after everything else failed.

    Sad shit & must be frustrating as hell for you guys. Get ready to keep bitchin about Obama for another 6 yrs

    Who was proved right and who was proven the fools when Clinton LIED UNDER OATH IN A COURT OF LAW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cashin:

    You poor, poor repubs - can't produce any candidates worth a damn so you have to go after this kinda BS. Just like when you couldn't stand Clinton's popularity & him gettin credit for the good economic times & had to go after him on sex stuff after everything else failed.

    Sad shit & must be frustrating as hell for you guys. Get ready to keep bitchin about Obama for another 6 yrs

    Who was proved right and who was proven the fools when Clinton LIED UNDER OATH IN A COURT OF LAW!

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 2:15 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Balph:

    Who was proved right and who was proven the fools when Clinton LIED UNDER OATH IN A COURT OF LAW!

    What was proven? How was it proven? Who proved it? Was Clinton charged with a crime.

    This ought to be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balph:

    Who was proved right and who was proven the fools when Clinton LIED UNDER OATH IN A COURT OF LAW!

    What was proven? How was it proven? Who proved it? Was Clinton charged with a crime.

    This ought to be interesting.

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 2:32 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    What was proven?

    That Clinton had an affair in the oval office with, that woman, Monica Lewinski.

     How was it proven?

    The blue dress.

     Who proved it?

    Ken Starr.

    Was Clinton charged with a crime.

    Clinton was impeached, for perjury, during the civil trial for sexual harassment in the Paula Jones case, just not convicted.

    \This ought to be interesting.

    Please don't box me!

     

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    What was proven?

    That Clinton had an affair in the oval office with, that woman, Monica Lewinski.

     How was it proven?

    The blue dress.

     Who proved it?

    Ken Starr.

    Was Clinton charged with a crime.

    Clinton was impeached, for perjury, during the civil trial for sexual harassment in the Paula Jones case, just not convicted.

    \This ought to be interesting.

    Please don't box me!

     

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 2:35 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    I have no doubt in my mind that the overwhelming majority of birthers would have been happier if military members died in a failed attempt on Osama if it meant no reelection.

    Sad and delusional.

    Goes without saying - pathetic

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    I have no doubt in my mind that the overwhelming majority of birthers would have been happier if military members died in a failed attempt on Osama if it meant no reelection.

    Sad and delusional.

    Goes without saying - pathetic

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 2:39 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Balph:

    Who was proved right and who was proven the fools when Clinton LIED UNDER OATH IN A COURT OF LAW!

    Yeah, that was a real worthwhile endeavor for the country. Meanwhile, Bush/Cheney allows 911 to happen (1 way or another), ignores OBL when he's in our sights & misleads us into a bogus war in Iraq without even a serious investigation. What's wrong with that picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balph:

    Who was proved right and who was proven the fools when Clinton LIED UNDER OATH IN A COURT OF LAW!

    Yeah, that was a real worthwhile endeavor for the country. Meanwhile, Bush/Cheney allows 911 to happen (1 way or another), ignores OBL when he's in our sights & misleads us into a bogus war in Iraq without even a serious investigation. What's wrong with that picture?

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 2:41 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by Balph:

     

    The House of Reps is not a court of law. Please show me what court of law found that Clinton was proven to have committed perjury.

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    The House of Reps is not a court of law. Please show me what court of law found that Clinton was proven to have committed perjury.

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 2:47 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    I dont like Obama at all, he is nothing different than what we had the last eight years, but you are SPOT on with that observation. 

    Well, to me he's just another politician who happens to be smart, likeable & well spoken, but still a vast improvement over Bush/Cheney & their cronies. Folks seem to be looking for the kind of leader that really doesn't exist anymore - partly the complexity & divisiveness of the times don't allow for it 

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    I dont like Obama at all, he is nothing different than what we had the last eight years, but you are SPOT on with that observation. 

    Well, to me he's just another politician who happens to be smart, likeable & well spoken, but still a vast improvement over Bush/Cheney & their cronies. Folks seem to be looking for the kind of leader that really doesn't exist anymore - partly the complexity & divisiveness of the times don't allow for it 

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 2:47 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    I have no doubt in my mind that the overwhelming majority of birthers would have been happier if military members died in a failed attempt on Osama if it meant no reelection.

    Sad and delusional.

    I'd like to stand toe to toe with your sinevelly ass and have your refer to ANY of the birthers if they are Veterans (and many are) wanting a military person harmed in any way. You've got a real attitude toward the military you a-hole and are a sad excuse for a Linesman. The DEM.'s never have an answer, except 'it's Bush's fault'. I doubt you were in the cub scouts, just like your illustrious leader BO.
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    I have no doubt in my mind that the overwhelming majority of birthers would have been happier if military members died in a failed attempt on Osama if it meant no reelection.

    Sad and delusional.

    I'd like to stand toe to toe with your sinevelly ass and have your refer to ANY of the birthers if they are Veterans (and many are) wanting a military person harmed in any way. You've got a real attitude toward the military you a-hole and are a sad excuse for a Linesman. The DEM.'s never have an answer, except 'it's Bush's fault'. I doubt you were in the cub scouts, just like your illustrious leader BO.
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 2:50 PM ET #23

    The fact is Kenya did not exist in 1961, the whole BCert. is a HOAX and you know it , but won't admit it.

    I also have a huge concern WHY the Repub.s don't ask more questions.....

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    The fact is Kenya did not exist in 1961, the whole BCert. is a HOAX and you know it , but won't admit it.

    I also have a huge concern WHY the Repub.s don't ask more questions.....

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 2:51 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by kujayhwk:

    “You’re travelling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind: a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.  That’s the signpost up ahead – your next stop, the Twilight Zone!  Welcome Birthers”

     Rod Serling would get a kick out of these birthers.

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    “You’re travelling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind: a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.  That’s the signpost up ahead – your next stop, the Twilight Zone!  Welcome Birthers”

     Rod Serling would get a kick out of these birthers.

     
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 2:53 PM ET #25

       Wag the Dog...part 1

     

      Wag the Dog...part 2....for all you Texans out there

     

    And finally.............

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       Wag the Dog...part 1

     

      Wag the Dog...part 2....for all you Texans out there

     

    And finally.............

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