Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Putin blames Gorbachev and Yeltsin for weakening central government control over population that caused dissolution of Soviet union. Many factors contributed to this collapse including political, economic, defense spending and Chernobyl nuclear disaster. After failed coup, nationalist movements lead to 15 republics declaring independence to become separate countries. For decades, Putin has been obsessed with restoring glory of old Soviet union.
@thirdperson
FACTS! Also this is well understood about the fascist-dictator/former KGB officer. Which is why I would never, under any circumstances, trust Putin's WORD (or those of his ideological accomplices) about anything! He's like trump in so many ways: if he says it's raining outside, the sheep under his influence who buy his fascist rhetoric and history of outright lies might believe it [although 99% of Russian citizens are terrified of challenging his lies for valid fear they will, ummm, err, "accidentally" meet their demise real soon] but those outside of Russia who know better would head for the nearest window to verify.... And sure it might indeed be raining when he says so......or it might not....THAT is the point.
This is NOT to imply that Ukraine are angels....FAR FROM IT!! But for that matter neither is USA, nor have we been "angels" at any point in our lifetime. It's all a matter of degrees....
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Putin blames Gorbachev and Yeltsin for weakening central government control over population that caused dissolution of Soviet union. Many factors contributed to this collapse including political, economic, defense spending and Chernobyl nuclear disaster. After failed coup, nationalist movements lead to 15 republics declaring independence to become separate countries. For decades, Putin has been obsessed with restoring glory of old Soviet union.
@thirdperson
FACTS! Also this is well understood about the fascist-dictator/former KGB officer. Which is why I would never, under any circumstances, trust Putin's WORD (or those of his ideological accomplices) about anything! He's like trump in so many ways: if he says it's raining outside, the sheep under his influence who buy his fascist rhetoric and history of outright lies might believe it [although 99% of Russian citizens are terrified of challenging his lies for valid fear they will, ummm, err, "accidentally" meet their demise real soon] but those outside of Russia who know better would head for the nearest window to verify.... And sure it might indeed be raining when he says so......or it might not....THAT is the point.
This is NOT to imply that Ukraine are angels....FAR FROM IT!! But for that matter neither is USA, nor have we been "angels" at any point in our lifetime. It's all a matter of degrees....
What is the most sickening to me is how much of the BILLIONS we sent there on a fake scam narrative has been gutted and put in the pockets of the elite? It is not a question of this happening because it does and is happening.
Z is a schemer and not someone that we should trust, and how is it that we blindly sent so much money there without any guidelines or transparency? We just send money send guns and all done..what a disaster these things are and it happens over and over and over.
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What is the most sickening to me is how much of the BILLIONS we sent there on a fake scam narrative has been gutted and put in the pockets of the elite? It is not a question of this happening because it does and is happening.
Z is a schemer and not someone that we should trust, and how is it that we blindly sent so much money there without any guidelines or transparency? We just send money send guns and all done..what a disaster these things are and it happens over and over and over.
@kcblitzkrieg What is the most sickening to me is how much of the BILLIONS we sent there on a fake scam narrative has been gutted and put in the pockets of the elite? It is not a question of this happening because it does and is happening. Z is a schemer and not someone that we should trust, and how is it that we blindly sent so much money there without any guidelines or transparency? We just send money send guns and all done..what a disaster these things are and it happens over and over and over.
It is the American way
Thank you America
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@kcblitzkrieg What is the most sickening to me is how much of the BILLIONS we sent there on a fake scam narrative has been gutted and put in the pockets of the elite? It is not a question of this happening because it does and is happening. Z is a schemer and not someone that we should trust, and how is it that we blindly sent so much money there without any guidelines or transparency? We just send money send guns and all done..what a disaster these things are and it happens over and over and over.
@kcblitzkrieg What is the most sickening to me is how much of the BILLIONS we sent there on a fake scam narrative has been gutted and put in the pockets of the elite? It is not a question of this happening because it does and is happening. Z is a schemer and not someone that we should trust, and how is it that we blindly sent so much money there without any guidelines or transparency? We just send money send guns and all done..what a disaster these things are and it happens over and over and over.
Easiest money laundering operation in history for the MIC and Global elites right there
Thank you America
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@kcblitzkrieg What is the most sickening to me is how much of the BILLIONS we sent there on a fake scam narrative has been gutted and put in the pockets of the elite? It is not a question of this happening because it does and is happening. Z is a schemer and not someone that we should trust, and how is it that we blindly sent so much money there without any guidelines or transparency? We just send money send guns and all done..what a disaster these things are and it happens over and over and over.
Easiest money laundering operation in history for the MIC and Global elites right there
The real crooks are those behind the scenes engineering this theft, that is the groups that the stacked SCOTUS granted a shield against transparency, so thanks to the conservative justices there is no way a citizen can track who is funding what, where the money comes from and why, what the objective is and what power is behind it..and that is what drives legislation, war funding, most any political nickel that drops is engineered from PAC dark money the stuff we never can see.
We are so far gone as a country it is rough to see how it could ever change course and become transparent and legit. The answer is not the GOP and Trump either, the stacking he engineered is making things worse, the damage the SCOTUS has done in the last ten years is horrible. Until money is removed 100% there is no reversal of this implosion.
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The real crooks are those behind the scenes engineering this theft, that is the groups that the stacked SCOTUS granted a shield against transparency, so thanks to the conservative justices there is no way a citizen can track who is funding what, where the money comes from and why, what the objective is and what power is behind it..and that is what drives legislation, war funding, most any political nickel that drops is engineered from PAC dark money the stuff we never can see.
We are so far gone as a country it is rough to see how it could ever change course and become transparent and legit. The answer is not the GOP and Trump either, the stacking he engineered is making things worse, the damage the SCOTUS has done in the last ten years is horrible. Until money is removed 100% there is no reversal of this implosion.
Putin has avoided mass conscription despite heavy battlefield losses in Ukraine, ordered a major expansion of Russia’s army. Day 182 of the war and Putin is finally realizing he’s getting his ass kicked & his soldiers no longer want to fight.
Thank you America
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
Putin has avoided mass conscription despite heavy battlefield losses in Ukraine, ordered a major expansion of Russia’s army. Day 182 of the war and Putin is finally realizing he’s getting his ass kicked & his soldiers no longer want to fight.
Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Why is Russia there in the first place? What does Putin want in Ukraine? What would he admit he's wrong about? What's the purpose of this "war"? Putin wants to restore the old Soviet union and overthrow Ukraine government. He falsely claims special operation is to fight threats from NATO, nazis, bio labs and genocide. Obviously, he underestimates Ukraine resistance and NATO support. After months of war, he has failed to achieve any goal.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Why is Russia there in the first place? What does Putin want in Ukraine? What would he admit he's wrong about? What's the purpose of this "war"? Putin wants to restore the old Soviet union and overthrow Ukraine government. He falsely claims special operation is to fight threats from NATO, nazis, bio labs and genocide. Obviously, he underestimates Ukraine resistance and NATO support. After months of war, he has failed to achieve any goal.
"Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning. Two of the pipelines, which were known collectively as Nord Stream 1, had been providing Germany and much of Western Europe with cheap Russian natural gas for more than a decade. A second pair of pipelines, called Nord Stream 2, had been built but were not yet operational. Now, with Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border and the bloodiest war in Europe since 1945 looming, President Joseph Biden saw the pipelines as a vehicle for Vladimir Putin to weaponize natural gas for his political and territorial ambitions. Asked for comment, Adrienne Watson, a White House spokesperson, said in an email, “This is false and complete fiction.” Tammy Thorp, a spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency, similarly wrote: “This claim is completely and utterly false.” Biden’s decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to best achieve that goal. For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible." https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
"Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning. Two of the pipelines, which were known collectively as Nord Stream 1, had been providing Germany and much of Western Europe with cheap Russian natural gas for more than a decade. A second pair of pipelines, called Nord Stream 2, had been built but were not yet operational. Now, with Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border and the bloodiest war in Europe since 1945 looming, President Joseph Biden saw the pipelines as a vehicle for Vladimir Putin to weaponize natural gas for his political and territorial ambitions. Asked for comment, Adrienne Watson, a White House spokesperson, said in an email, “This is false and complete fiction.” Tammy Thorp, a spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency, similarly wrote: “This claim is completely and utterly false.” Biden’s decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to best achieve that goal. For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible." https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
Since the other thread got boxed, I opened this one so we can keep this topic alive. Other dictators are certainly watching what happens next. The sanctions will eventually take its toll but I don't know of a silver bullet that could be used. Once Putin takes any territory, he's not prone to give it back no matter the financial hit he make personally take. Isolating Russia economically won't be felt for years & hurts the Russian people & just bruises their billionaires. Attacking their investment in the West is certainly a way to get their attention but they are as corrupt as Putin. Ceasing the export of US software, semiconductors & other high end technology should be on the table. Use the propaganda machine to tell Russian people these economic moves are against Putin & not the Russian people. In the meantime, continuous economic & military support must be provided to Ukraine. Finally, make sure it is crystal clear US boots on the ground is not an option. Any thoughts??
Some of the best advice in this thread was spot on very early..... @ColonelKlink
just offer them some lube and move on
Thank you America
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
Since the other thread got boxed, I opened this one so we can keep this topic alive. Other dictators are certainly watching what happens next. The sanctions will eventually take its toll but I don't know of a silver bullet that could be used. Once Putin takes any territory, he's not prone to give it back no matter the financial hit he make personally take. Isolating Russia economically won't be felt for years & hurts the Russian people & just bruises their billionaires. Attacking their investment in the West is certainly a way to get their attention but they are as corrupt as Putin. Ceasing the export of US software, semiconductors & other high end technology should be on the table. Use the propaganda machine to tell Russian people these economic moves are against Putin & not the Russian people. In the meantime, continuous economic & military support must be provided to Ukraine. Finally, make sure it is crystal clear US boots on the ground is not an option. Any thoughts??
Some of the best advice in this thread was spot on very early..... @ColonelKlink
Ukraine's air defence destroys 28 out of 31 Russia-launched drones, Kyiv says
Russia launched 31 drones and 2 missiles at Ukraine overnight, mostly targeting the south of the country, with air defences destroying 28 drones and both missiles, the Ukrainian military said on Monday.
- Reuters
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Ukraine's air defence destroys 28 out of 31 Russia-launched drones, Kyiv says
Russia launched 31 drones and 2 missiles at Ukraine overnight, mostly targeting the south of the country, with air defences destroying 28 drones and both missiles, the Ukrainian military said on Monday.
OK, just one serious post for the one or two serious people still around here...then I'm back to shiit posting for the 99% unserious clown posse. An oldie but goodie.... Victoria Nuland: “Ukraine has biological research facilities…” https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1728266047894216874
"Classic technique to accuse the other guy of what they are doing themselves."
Almost spit my coffee across the room.
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Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:
OK, just one serious post for the one or two serious people still around here...then I'm back to shiit posting for the 99% unserious clown posse. An oldie but goodie.... Victoria Nuland: “Ukraine has biological research facilities…” https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1728266047894216874
"Classic technique to accuse the other guy of what they are doing themselves."
Ukraine's air defence destroys 28 out of 31 Russia-launched drones, Kyiv says Russia launched 31 drones and 2 missiles at Ukraine overnight, mostly targeting the south of the country, with air defences destroying 28 drones and both missiles, the Ukrainian military said on Monday. - Reuters
Good news!
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Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:
Ukraine's air defence destroys 28 out of 31 Russia-launched drones, Kyiv says Russia launched 31 drones and 2 missiles at Ukraine overnight, mostly targeting the south of the country, with air defences destroying 28 drones and both missiles, the Ukrainian military said on Monday. - Reuters
We are so far gone as a country it is rough to see how it could ever change course and become transparent and legit. The answer is not the GOP and Trump either, The stacking he engineered is making things worse, The damage the SCOTUS has done in the last ten years is horrible. Until money is removed 100% there is no reversal of this implosion.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
We are so far gone as a country it is rough to see how it could ever change course and become transparent and legit. The answer is not the GOP and Trump either, The stacking he engineered is making things worse, The damage the SCOTUS has done in the last ten years is horrible. Until money is removed 100% there is no reversal of this implosion.
Ukraine's air defence destroys 28 out of 31 Russia-launched drones, Kyiv says Russia launched 31 drones and 2 missiles at Ukraine overnight, mostly targeting the south of the country, with air defences destroying 28 drones and both missiles, the Ukrainian military said on Monday. - Reuters
Video appears to show massive explosion as Ukraine allegedly destroys Russian warship
Ukraine's air defence destroys 28 out of 31 Russia-launched drones, Kyiv says Russia launched 31 drones and 2 missiles at Ukraine overnight, mostly targeting the south of the country, with air defences destroying 28 drones and both missiles, the Ukrainian military said on Monday. - Reuters
Video appears to show massive explosion as Ukraine allegedly destroys Russian warship
Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Ukraine's air defence destroys 28 out of 31 Russia-launched drones, Kyiv says Russia launched 31 drones and 2 missiles at Ukraine overnight, mostly targeting the south of the country, with air defences destroying 28 drones and both missiles, the Ukrainian military said on Monday. - Reuters Video appears to show massive explosion as Ukraine allegedly destroys Russian warship
Russia lost a fifth of its Black Sea Fleet in the last 4 months, UK defense secretary says
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Ukraine's air defence destroys 28 out of 31 Russia-launched drones, Kyiv says Russia launched 31 drones and 2 missiles at Ukraine overnight, mostly targeting the south of the country, with air defences destroying 28 drones and both missiles, the Ukrainian military said on Monday. - Reuters Video appears to show massive explosion as Ukraine allegedly destroys Russian warship
What’s the next step ? Hmmm , it’s the same step that’s been going on , people aren’t REALLY concerned and have moved onto “ the next “ …..
I mean they’ll use the atrocity going on over there to pump their own agendas , or to help their own cause out but shit nobody really cares about the people and children getting their faces scalded off by heat seeking missiles in the Ukraine , I mean they do , or did , up until something else happened that took their attention away from it .
Cmon people are such jokes , so shallow , with all this fake care hoopla they dance around with like it’s a Mummers Day Parade , my God , it’s a hot topic when it’s fresh and new but then they’re either falling head over heels for the new exciting war that’s going on over there or the latest Tik Tok challenge where you have to balance a pretzel on your nose while completing Mario Kart on one life over here .
people are insane . The disintegrated torso of an eleven year old innocent Ukrainian boy means nothing to them once the channel changes or the new iPhone commercial comes on . They’re like monkeys distracted by the bright light of a shooting star . It’s damn near impossible to keep people front and centered on a subject of importance , especially in here , with you political guys , cuz half of you have your heads up Trump’s anal canal and love him while the other half also have their small brain carrying craniums up his poop chute too and “ hate him “ , although to me it sure seems like you LOVE the idea of always having something to bitch about
free the innocent and everybody else can shut up
BACK PATTING and KISSING threads are like passing HAM SANDWICHES around over and over-wall
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What’s the next step ? Hmmm , it’s the same step that’s been going on , people aren’t REALLY concerned and have moved onto “ the next “ …..
I mean they’ll use the atrocity going on over there to pump their own agendas , or to help their own cause out but shit nobody really cares about the people and children getting their faces scalded off by heat seeking missiles in the Ukraine , I mean they do , or did , up until something else happened that took their attention away from it .
Cmon people are such jokes , so shallow , with all this fake care hoopla they dance around with like it’s a Mummers Day Parade , my God , it’s a hot topic when it’s fresh and new but then they’re either falling head over heels for the new exciting war that’s going on over there or the latest Tik Tok challenge where you have to balance a pretzel on your nose while completing Mario Kart on one life over here .
people are insane . The disintegrated torso of an eleven year old innocent Ukrainian boy means nothing to them once the channel changes or the new iPhone commercial comes on . They’re like monkeys distracted by the bright light of a shooting star . It’s damn near impossible to keep people front and centered on a subject of importance , especially in here , with you political guys , cuz half of you have your heads up Trump’s anal canal and love him while the other half also have their small brain carrying craniums up his poop chute too and “ hate him “ , although to me it sure seems like you LOVE the idea of always having something to bitch about
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Ukraine's air defence destroys 28 out of 31 Russia-launched drones, Kyiv says Russia launched 31 drones and 2 missiles at Ukraine overnight, mostly targeting the south of the country, with air defences destroying 28 drones and both missiles, the Ukrainian military said on Monday. - Reuters Video appears to show massive explosion as Ukraine allegedly destroys Russian warship https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/12/26/ukraine-russian-warship-explosion-airstrike-crimea-cnntm-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn Russia lost a fifth of its Black Sea Fleet in the last 4 months, UK defense secretary says
@Zeus4par
Somehow I don't feel sad about that....
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Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Ukraine's air defence destroys 28 out of 31 Russia-launched drones, Kyiv says Russia launched 31 drones and 2 missiles at Ukraine overnight, mostly targeting the south of the country, with air defences destroying 28 drones and both missiles, the Ukrainian military said on Monday. - Reuters Video appears to show massive explosion as Ukraine allegedly destroys Russian warship https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/12/26/ukraine-russian-warship-explosion-airstrike-crimea-cnntm-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn Russia lost a fifth of its Black Sea Fleet in the last 4 months, UK defense secretary says
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Also this is well understood about the fascist-dictator/former KGB officer. Which is why I would never, under any circumstances, trust Putin's WORD (or those of his ideological accomplices) about anything! He's like trump in so many ways: if he says it's raining outside, the sheep under his influence who buy his fascist rhetoric and history of outright lies might believe it [although 99% of Russian citizens are terrified of challenging his lies for valid fear they will, ummm, err, "accidentally" meet their demise real soon] but those outside of Russia who know better would head for the nearest window to verify.... And sure it might indeed be raining when he says so......or it might not....THAT is the point.
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