way to go wisconsin

what noodlebrain fails to realize is that 20% of the teachers or other public employees suck ass yet still draw a hefty salary and benefits from their government sanctioned monopoly

maybe the rest could make 120% of their current salary if they didnt have to support failure

Congratulations to Wisconsin for not letting the union bullies threaten you into submission.  Shame on the Democratic Senators that abandon their duty and their job.  Keep up the good work, Wisconsin.  I have worked scab and have belonged to several unions. Their time is gone, they just want more and more power and money, they just care about the unions and the union officials, not the members.  The time of the robber unions is gone, live with it.

well...the thuggery starts now....the personal threats and violence from the union ..never ending from them! 

and they indoctrinate the young and dumb...my son (Sr at UW) has a roommate that goes to UWW,  but skipped classes to 'protest' at the Capitol!...now the out of state money will pour in from other unions et al..and of course the secret power of the WH!

Biden's press secretary, Elizabeth Alexander, declined to elaborate on Biden's discussions with union leaders or say why he had not gone to Madison. She said Biden was "obviously very supportive" of labor, had a long history of fighting for collective bargaining rights and, along with Obama, has been "very involved in what has been going on in Wisconsin both privately and publicly from day one."

there were more union outsiders than Wisconsinites around the Capitol in The People's Republic of Madison

Obama's support for the public unions in Wisconsin was just another Obama KoD (Kiss of Death ) ..

Not unlike Obama's support for the protesters in Libya ...another group who also recieved Obama's killer smooch ..

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So you want to get rid of unions because some of the people in the unions are behaving badly?  Unions are run by people.  Hold the people who are bad for their union accountable.  Unions themselves, like guns, are not inherently good or bad.

20% of the teachers are bad teachers?  Jeez, name me a company that doesn't have .20 rate of less than stellar employees?  Bad employees exist in every field! 

There's nothing good about what happened in WI if you support worker's rights and the survival of the middle class.

There's nothing good about what happened in WI if you support worker's rights and the survival of the middle class.

now that is a talking left point if I have ever heard one.....and totally false

we can argue back and forth forever....that is why we have elections...............sometimes they count!

the big red fist will be a popular icon the next year or two!  must make you proud eh....

Please don't bring that kind of non-demagoguery talk into this thread.

Don't you know that all unions are bad? Fox News told me so.

Keep thinking in terms of the left and the right my friend.  That's exactly how they want you to think!

Destroying unions is just step in bringing down our standard of living. I don't know why many people in this thread would choose to be oblivious to this fact.  We have an idiocracy - Mike Judge was right.

how is the Union in Wisconsin destroyed? .....it was only tamed a  little bit! 

Have another drink

this coming from the guy whos wife worked a union job and got to benefit from all the hard work the union did to get her the pay and benefits she got. You can be sure without the unions she more then likely would have never earned what she earned in her career, but hey go ahead and keep bashing the unions, they only helped to put food on your table.

bc for the most part its cheaper and more efficient.  while i cant comment on your water bill scenario, there are tons of examples of the opposite happening.  one of the most mind boggling privatizations occurred when chicago privatized THE COLLECTION OF MONEY via tolls on the skyway.  how absurd is that? its cheaper for the government to have someone else collect money for them, and make their own profit, than to simply do it themselves.

now either your govt officials are morons, and judging by their constituents.... or theres more to the story.  why couldnt the govt take back control of the water system?

heres one more example of how pathetic govts are at running shit.  in mass, toll booth workers make an average of SEVENTY THOUSAND dollars, before overtime or benefits.  they are all filled by politically connected ppl, no shot at an average joe getting one of those jobs

https://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/09/turnpike_to_lay.html

Toll collectors are paid an average of roughly $70,000 a year, LeBovidge said, when benefits and overtime are included. Cullinane said salaries of toll collectors have been exaggerated, pointing out that full-time workers max out at $53,000, not including overtime. That does not include 131 part timers, who can only make up to $32,000.

no wonder

"We're in a big financial hole," said LeBovidge, who estimated that the turnpike authority's annual debt was between $70 million to $100 million.

and let me also point out that many of the tolls have a human handing you the toll ticket. arent we in 2011 now? didnt we invite a machine to do that about 30 years ago? yeah, lets pay 3 ppl 300k+ a year in total compensation for a job that can easily, and quite frankly do a better job, be replaced by a machine.   there was an article in the globe a few years ago that listed the revenues collected / operating costs of tolls.  mass was by far the lowest at something like .35.  it think alabama was second worst at around .60. 

Stevie, what is it you do for a living?

also thanks for that apology over in the nfl thread, i appreaciate it.

 

Its called signing a contract, thats why they cant get it back.

And my friends garbage collection in the city over was just a fluke.

Hey if you cant put 2 + 2 together to figure out what will happen when private owned companies take over public jobs, then i certainly aint gonna be able to convince you otherwise.  You will just have to wait until it hits your city, then you will feel what its like yourself.'

Private companies are in business for one reason, to make the very most money they can make and if you actually sat down and thought about what can happen if all kinds of private companies take over public jobs.

On top of that do you really want to turn over law enforecment in the country to a private company? Do you really want a private company to have taht kind of power?  Really sit down and think about that.

Funny that democratic policies like encouraging poor people to purchase homes they couldnt afford and subsequently crashing the housing market brought down our standard of living yet you were mysteriously oblivious to that. I don't think union busting will be one thousanth as debilitating as that great example.

CoolaideDrinker329- You can't have it both ways...either union salaries are padded or they are not...you have said previously that it was only the pensions that were padded...which is it? or just admit the truth that they are both padded

How many more times must I/we make this point? Less than stellar union employees don't get fired...they retire as less than stellar employees. In the private sector they are invited to find work elswhere...or public sector unions recruit them.

seriously are you really this dumb?  Really are you?  Pensions are padded, not salaries.

Do you understand what am talking about when i say padded pensions?  I dont think you do.

Its when you are allowed to use your overtime wages{which i dont care how much overtime an employee gets, because if he wants to work all those hours then good for him} to be used in your pension calculations.  Thats pension padding, but its not salary padding.  Now do you understand? A damn first grade class would be able to understand this.

 

As far as salary padding, no i dont think employees are overpaid in their regular wages.

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Have another drink

this coming from the guy whos wife worked a union job and got to benefit from all the hard work the union did to get her the pay and benefits she got. You can be sure without the unions she more then likely would have never earned what she earned in her career, but hey go ahead and keep bashing the unions, they only helped to put food on your table.

Your words not mine. Oh the hypocracy.

I hate to burst your bubble, but lousy employees get fired all the time and just because they dont send a press release to your house telling you about the firing, it really is happening on a daily basis.

Also there is less then stellar people working in every field of work out there, union and no union.  Just take a look at you, am sure you were less then a stellar employee and they didnt fire you.

By the way you said, you got hurt and cant work anymore, that must mean you are collecting that dirty social security disabilty money then.

I work in the private sector. I'll take the bottom deal the unions have in Wisconsin without even knowing what it is. I know it's better than the deal I have. Governments don't have the money to pay for these ridiculous benefit packages any longer. The game is over. The unions had a good run taking advantage of the taxpayer and the moron representing the government side of the equation for too long.

Wrong again...No SS check for me...

Oh ya...I still hold the production record I set for the job I held.

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LMFAO...If I were a less than stellar employee I WOULD have voted FOR the union to come in and make sure I wouldnt get fired.

I VOTED NO

look at that another guy complaining about public jobs. If theya re so great like you say they are, why the hell didnt your dumb ass get up off your ass and go apply or take a test to get one of these jobs?  really why did you go take a low paying job in the publci sector?

also killer b you gotta stop trying to compare private sector jobs to public sector jobs, its like comparing apples to oranges.

sorry to have breal the news to you, but you working the service counter at burger king shouldnt be earning the same type of wages a cop earns. 2 entirely differnt jobs.

You know what some of the probelms with guys like you is?  you have all become so accustomed to having water when you turn on your tap, having your garbage picked up, having your strrets plowed, having a cop or firefighter respond to you when you pickup the phone and dial 911, that you have forgotten that there are actually people working those jobs and thats why all those things are able to work for you.

You all just forgot that its actually people providing you all these services in society to you.