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    Seattle at New York (10/05/2008)

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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2008 - 2:43 PM ET #26

    yeah i can't understand how anyone can say that the giants season was a fluke.... superbowl is about which team get hot at the right time....
     
    giants
    colts
    steelers....
     
    all teams that didn't have a great start but won the games that counted at the end of the season and didn't lose at the right time no matter what competition.....
     
     
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    yeah i can't understand how anyone can say that the giants season was a fluke.... superbowl is about which team get hot at the right time....
     
    giants
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    all teams that didn't have a great start but won the games that counted at the end of the season and didn't lose at the right time no matter what competition.....
     
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2008 - 2:45 PM ET #27

    [Quote: Originally Posted by jjmandl]

     

    - I have some issues with your comments above.  Seattle may have had the Giants number out in Seattle...not in NY where its a different world.  One of the games seattle won was an overtime game where Jay Feely missed THREE field goals in the 4th Quarter and OT.

    - NY Giants are 4-1 SU in their last 5 games when playing at home against Seattle

    -The Seahawks did not play in the Meadowlands this year.  They played at Buffalo which is about 7-8 hours away from the Meadowlands.

    - Dominek Hixon will step in for Plaxico and have a breakout performance (that one isn't a fact, but my opinion - guy is nasty and will fit right in running the #1 WR routes)

    Allow me to retort; I have some issues with your comments

    And I want you to look it up. When was the last time the Seahawks were beaten by the Giants by 7 points? Please provide this information in detail for the thread.

    As far as Hixon is concerned, how do you know what he will do on the field as a starter? How many games has he started? What are his habits during the week? He is a variable and should be treated as such until proven otherwise. 

    I may have been a few miles off on locationof teir first East Coast trip, but you get my drift.   

     

    Gators21,

    Lighten up man. It's football talk, not personal attacks. Notice how jjmandi and I can discuss issues without getting personal? Have some class. 

     

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by jjmandl]

     

    - I have some issues with your comments above.  Seattle may have had the Giants number out in Seattle...not in NY where its a different world.  One of the games seattle won was an overtime game where Jay Feely missed THREE field goals in the 4th Quarter and OT.

    - NY Giants are 4-1 SU in their last 5 games when playing at home against Seattle

    -The Seahawks did not play in the Meadowlands this year.  They played at Buffalo which is about 7-8 hours away from the Meadowlands.

    - Dominek Hixon will step in for Plaxico and have a breakout performance (that one isn't a fact, but my opinion - guy is nasty and will fit right in running the #1 WR routes)

    Allow me to retort; I have some issues with your comments

    And I want you to look it up. When was the last time the Seahawks were beaten by the Giants by 7 points? Please provide this information in detail for the thread.

    As far as Hixon is concerned, how do you know what he will do on the field as a starter? How many games has he started? What are his habits during the week? He is a variable and should be treated as such until proven otherwise. 

    I may have been a few miles off on locationof teir first East Coast trip, but you get my drift.   

     

    Gators21,

    Lighten up man. It's football talk, not personal attacks. Notice how jjmandi and I can discuss issues without getting personal? Have some class. 

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2008 - 3:09 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by BreakaBookie:

     

    I have a feeling this is going to be a simliar matchup of the Giants vs. the extremely tough team The Bengals.... (note the sarcasm)....  I would say that GMEN might pull it out at home, but I can't see them covering 7....

    and not having plax is HUGE..... it just brings less focus to that side of the field, whether he gets his touches or not

     

    I don't want to downplay Plax being out, but not only is HIxon ready to show the world what he's made of, but the Giants have one of the deepest receiving cores in the NFL. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakaBookie:

     

    I have a feeling this is going to be a simliar matchup of the Giants vs. the extremely tough team The Bengals.... (note the sarcasm)....  I would say that GMEN might pull it out at home, but I can't see them covering 7....

    and not having plax is HUGE..... it just brings less focus to that side of the field, whether he gets his touches or not

     

    I don't want to downplay Plax being out, but not only is HIxon ready to show the world what he's made of, but the Giants have one of the deepest receiving cores in the NFL. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2008 - 3:37 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by Watch:

    Quote Originally Posted by jjmandl:

     

    - I have some issues with your comments above.  Seattle may have had the Giants number out in Seattle...not in NY where its a different world.  One of the games seattle won was an overtime game where Jay Feely missed THREE field goals in the 4th Quarter and OT.

    - NY Giants are 4-1 SU in their last 5 games when playing at home against Seattle

    -The Seahawks did not play in the Meadowlands this year.  They played at Buffalo which is about 7-8 hours away from the Meadowlands.

    - Dominek Hixon will step in for Plaxico and have a breakout performance (that one isn't a fact, but my opinion - guy is nasty and will fit right in running the #1 WR routes)

    Allow me to retort; I have some issues with your comments

    And I want you to look it up. When was the last time the Seahawks were beaten by the Giants by 7 points? Please provide this information in detail for the thread.

    As far as Hixon is concerned, how do you know what he will do on the field as a starter? How many games has he started? What are his habits during the week? He is a variable and should be treated as such until proven otherwise. 

    I may have been a few miles off on locationof teir first East Coast trip, but you get my drift.   

     

    Gators21,

    Lighten up man. It's football talk, not personal attacks. Notice how jjmandi and I can discuss issues without getting personal? Have some class. 

     

     

    Good point on the HIxon as a starter thing...I have no idea what he does during the week, i just hope its cooler than what Travis Henry does!!!  But really he is a guy that just looks like he's been waiting for this. 

    As far as your question when the Giants have beaten them by more than 7 points?  I think that is irrelavent.  The Seahawks have regressed greatly in the last couple years and the Giants are better.  I think the better question would be around the ATS numbers if you want to look at the histories don't you think? 

    If i can use an exaggerated analogy, I compare that to saying something along the lines of:

    "I'm not betting Dallas (-18) this weekend because whens the last time they beat the Bengals by 18 points?" 

    Because things change every year I can't go by the spreads for the past, only how they did ATS.  Does that make sense? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watch:

    Quote Originally Posted by jjmandl:

     

    - I have some issues with your comments above.  Seattle may have had the Giants number out in Seattle...not in NY where its a different world.  One of the games seattle won was an overtime game where Jay Feely missed THREE field goals in the 4th Quarter and OT.

    - NY Giants are 4-1 SU in their last 5 games when playing at home against Seattle

    -The Seahawks did not play in the Meadowlands this year.  They played at Buffalo which is about 7-8 hours away from the Meadowlands.

    - Dominek Hixon will step in for Plaxico and have a breakout performance (that one isn't a fact, but my opinion - guy is nasty and will fit right in running the #1 WR routes)

    Allow me to retort; I have some issues with your comments

    And I want you to look it up. When was the last time the Seahawks were beaten by the Giants by 7 points? Please provide this information in detail for the thread.

    As far as Hixon is concerned, how do you know what he will do on the field as a starter? How many games has he started? What are his habits during the week? He is a variable and should be treated as such until proven otherwise. 

    I may have been a few miles off on locationof teir first East Coast trip, but you get my drift.   

     

    Gators21,

    Lighten up man. It's football talk, not personal attacks. Notice how jjmandi and I can discuss issues without getting personal? Have some class. 

     

     

    Good point on the HIxon as a starter thing...I have no idea what he does during the week, i just hope its cooler than what Travis Henry does!!!  But really he is a guy that just looks like he's been waiting for this. 

    As far as your question when the Giants have beaten them by more than 7 points?  I think that is irrelavent.  The Seahawks have regressed greatly in the last couple years and the Giants are better.  I think the better question would be around the ATS numbers if you want to look at the histories don't you think? 

    If i can use an exaggerated analogy, I compare that to saying something along the lines of:

    "I'm not betting Dallas (-18) this weekend because whens the last time they beat the Bengals by 18 points?" 

    Because things change every year I can't go by the spreads for the past, only how they did ATS.  Does that make sense? 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2008 - 9:15 AM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by Gators21:

    Watch, I agree thats good football talk and I dont mind it at all but listen I am a diehard Giants fan and anyone calling the 07 season a fluke is a personal attack to me and to the Giants and is just a ridiculous comment considering what the Giants did at the end of the season last year.



    Giants winning was most def a fluke in every sense of the word. They should have never made it past the Boys. They were not the best team in any of the games they won in the playoffs with the exception of Tampa. What they did have was momentum and hunger that was unmatched. They got hot at the right time and were largely overlooked by their opponents also allowing them to continue there roll. With all that being said the best team did not win (as in a fluke) those games but the most deserving did.

    disclaimer: I am die hard Cowboy fan and my first post would have to be on this subject. But im also a huge football fan and follow the entire sport. If you look at at quality of opponents you realize why outside of g women fans they are not considered the best team even in there own conf. thats fresh off a SB win and 3-0 record
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gators21:

    Watch, I agree thats good football talk and I dont mind it at all but listen I am a diehard Giants fan and anyone calling the 07 season a fluke is a personal attack to me and to the Giants and is just a ridiculous comment considering what the Giants did at the end of the season last year.



    Giants winning was most def a fluke in every sense of the word. They should have never made it past the Boys. They were not the best team in any of the games they won in the playoffs with the exception of Tampa. What they did have was momentum and hunger that was unmatched. They got hot at the right time and were largely overlooked by their opponents also allowing them to continue there roll. With all that being said the best team did not win (as in a fluke) those games but the most deserving did.

    disclaimer: I am die hard Cowboy fan and my first post would have to be on this subject. But im also a huge football fan and follow the entire sport. If you look at at quality of opponents you realize why outside of g women fans they are not considered the best team even in there own conf. thats fresh off a SB win and 3-0 record
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2008 - 9:56 AM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by jjmandl:

    Good point on the HIxon as a starter thing...I have no idea what he does during the week, i just hope its cooler than what Travis Henry does!!!  But really he is a guy that just looks like he's been waiting for this. 

     

    i totally agree with the last sentence!  the Giants stumbled upon a real sleeper with Hixon... Toomer is a stud and a veteran, but this game has the potential to create a tough decision for the Giants going forward, because i believe Hixon is a more potent weapon already...

    we'll see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjmandl:

    Good point on the HIxon as a starter thing...I have no idea what he does during the week, i just hope its cooler than what Travis Henry does!!!  But really he is a guy that just looks like he's been waiting for this. 

     

    i totally agree with the last sentence!  the Giants stumbled upon a real sleeper with Hixon... Toomer is a stud and a veteran, but this game has the potential to create a tough decision for the Giants going forward, because i believe Hixon is a more potent weapon already...

    we'll see...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2008 - 10:48 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by Gators21:

    AND HOW CAN YOU SAY NO ONE OUTSIDE GIANTS FANS THINKS THEY ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE CONFERENCE? I GUESS ESPN DOESNT COUNT

    2008 Power Rankings: Week 5
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    Simple, it took a dallas loss and giant bye for them to be #1 if u been paying attention to ESPN then you know this rings true
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gators21:

    AND HOW CAN YOU SAY NO ONE OUTSIDE GIANTS FANS THINKS THEY ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE CONFERENCE? I GUESS ESPN DOESNT COUNT

    2008 Power Rankings: Week 5
      TEAM REC COMMENT
    Giants
    Titans
    Cowboys
    Bills
    Steelers




    Simple, it took a dallas loss and giant bye for them to be #1 if u been paying attention to ESPN then you know this rings true
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2008 - 10:58 AM ET #34

    And for the record i hate the giants ... but i love football not saying they wont win this game thought a small play on the ML might not be a bad thing ... but i don't see them covering. I'm also not saying they aren't a good team, but best team hands down is a definite no
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    And for the record i hate the giants ... but i love football not saying they wont win this game thought a small play on the ML might not be a bad thing ... but i don't see them covering. I'm also not saying they aren't a good team, but best team hands down is a definite no
     
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    I would lean towards the UNDER here over anything else.  The Giants have yet to establish the running game this season, and with the Seahawks defense, you need to do that.  It's looking like a windy day in the Northeast tomorrow, and with the "weapons" these two quarterbacks have to go to, it's not gonna be very high scoring.
     
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    Prediction:  Giants  21   Hawks  14
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    I would lean towards the UNDER here over anything else.  The Giants have yet to establish the running game this season, and with the Seahawks defense, you need to do that.  It's looking like a windy day in the Northeast tomorrow, and with the "weapons" these two quarterbacks have to go to, it's not gonna be very high scoring.
     
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    Prediction:  Giants  21   Hawks  14
     
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    Giants 17 Hawks 14
     
    Giants will squeak out a win
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    Giants will squeak out a win
     
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    jjmandi,
     
    Maybe you're missing something here. You failed to answer the question and that is not lost on me. You have to look at the ats mark of Seattle against the Giants, because you did not point out for the thread the ats record of Seattle against the spread. Palin avoided answering questions and got by because everyone thaought she looked good on camera, but you don't have that luxury, because you asked for it when you paraphrased my words.
     
    When I saw that I asked you to allow me to retort. And then I made a direct inquiry and you failed to answer the question with a credible answer, instead referring to how you can't use past ats numbers in this case. Nice sidestep. Now I am asking you again, when was the last time that the Giants beat the Seahawks by more than 7 points? Please inform the thread as to when that has happened.
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    Maybe you're missing something here. You failed to answer the question and that is not lost on me. You have to look at the ats mark of Seattle against the Giants, because you did not point out for the thread the ats record of Seattle against the spread. Palin avoided answering questions and got by because everyone thaought she looked good on camera, but you don't have that luxury, because you asked for it when you paraphrased my words.
     
    When I saw that I asked you to allow me to retort. And then I made a direct inquiry and you failed to answer the question with a credible answer, instead referring to how you can't use past ats numbers in this case. Nice sidestep. Now I am asking you again, when was the last time that the Giants beat the Seahawks by more than 7 points? Please inform the thread as to when that has happened.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2008 - 11:29 PM ET #38

    I have lost way too much money on Seattle to take them in this spot, No play for me here. Good Luck Everyone
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    I have lost way too much money on Seattle to take them in this spot, No play for me here. Good Luck Everyone
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2008 - 11:30 PM ET #39

    Giants 5 units
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    Giants 5 units
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2008 - 1:08 AM ET #41

    Giants score FG's not TD's. I'll take the 7.
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    Giants score FG's not TD's. I'll take the 7.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2008 - 1:45 AM ET #42

    With all that was said on this board, no one has been able to come up with a game wherein the Giants beat Seattle by more than a touchdown. This is amazing. Yet the board is full of people taking the Giants-7. The wagering world will never cease to amaze me. 
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    With all that was said on this board, no one has been able to come up with a game wherein the Giants beat Seattle by more than a touchdown. This is amazing. Yet the board is full of people taking the Giants-7. The wagering world will never cease to amaze me. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2008 - 2:09 AM ET #43

    NYG -6.5
     
    I agree with most of the posts on NYG, but the point that one made about the time zone difference is indeed the difference in this one...Its like you getting up at 10 or 11am and playing Pro-Football (very Difficult) Plus, this is Holmgrens last year, and with a record of 1-2,  losing to San Fran, a declining O-line and a Division (-STL) that is getting better, In ''My Opinion" San Fran or AZ goes to the Playoffs this year, not the Hawks.
     
    Burres is a factor, but they have enough guys who can catch the ball. Dont look at the cinci game and think these guys are bad...Cinci was hungry and Palmer is the 3rd/4th best QB in the league...NY Pulls it off, Big.
     
    Hawks go 1-3 Tomorrow and NYG goes 4-0
     
     
     
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    I agree with most of the posts on NYG, but the point that one made about the time zone difference is indeed the difference in this one...Its like you getting up at 10 or 11am and playing Pro-Football (very Difficult) Plus, this is Holmgrens last year, and with a record of 1-2,  losing to San Fran, a declining O-line and a Division (-STL) that is getting better, In ''My Opinion" San Fran or AZ goes to the Playoffs this year, not the Hawks.
     
    Burres is a factor, but they have enough guys who can catch the ball. Dont look at the cinci game and think these guys are bad...Cinci was hungry and Palmer is the 3rd/4th best QB in the league...NY Pulls it off, Big.
     
    Hawks go 1-3 Tomorrow and NYG goes 4-0
     
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyez:

    I like Seattle here.  The NFL has become a league of "do the opposite" the last couple years.  Like George Castanza said in Seinfeld......."Yes, I will do the opposite."  His friend responding....."If everything you ever thought has been wrong, then opposite would have to be right!" 
     
    This game is a perfect example of that logic.....as was the KC game last week and Jets game.  I'll take the points.  Should be a good close game.  

     

    I am with ya Irish Eyes........but I may lay off this one altogether....ugghhh     I use the Constanza Philosophy  a lot

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyez:

    I like Seattle here.  The NFL has become a league of "do the opposite" the last couple years.  Like George Castanza said in Seinfeld......."Yes, I will do the opposite."  His friend responding....."If everything you ever thought has been wrong, then opposite would have to be right!" 
     
    This game is a perfect example of that logic.....as was the KC game last week and Jets game.  I'll take the points.  Should be a good close game.  

     

    I am with ya Irish Eyes........but I may lay off this one altogether....ugghhh     I use the Constanza Philosophy  a lot

     

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    Seattle +7
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2008 - 2:54 AM ET #46

    Nothing more to add but Giants normally solid ats at home in the 1st half.
     
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    Nothing more to add but Giants normally solid ats at home in the 1st half.
     
    Giants at the half -4
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2008 - 2:55 AM ET #47

    Sagarin ratings have the giants winning by nearly 19 points and the line opened at +9.5 and quickly dropped to +7 with a majority of the public on NYG... sneaky sneaky... i like seattle plus the hook +7.5 points...
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    Sagarin ratings have the giants winning by nearly 19 points and the line opened at +9.5 and quickly dropped to +7 with a majority of the public on NYG... sneaky sneaky... i like seattle plus the hook +7.5 points...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2008 - 2:55 AM ET #48

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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2008 - 4:50 AM ET #49

    SU, the home team is dominant in this series.  I don't see that trend changing here.
     
    But I think it will be NYG by a field goal.
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    SU, the home team is dominant in this series.  I don't see that trend changing here.
     
    But I think it will be NYG by a field goal.
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2008 - 5:56 AM ET #50

    Giants are terrible after a bye week. They always have a hard time adjusting for some reason. I expect some drop balls and it will hurt them not to have burress you'll see.
    Seattle 1st half.
    small on seattle money line.
     
    Im a giant fan too...LOL
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    Giants are terrible after a bye week. They always have a hard time adjusting for some reason. I expect some drop balls and it will hurt them not to have burress you'll see.
    Seattle 1st half.
    small on seattle money line.
     
    Im a giant fan too...LOL
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