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-7.5 at.silver legacy reno. line just moved.
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MyPicksInaBox | 10 |
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It's only the 4th inning with verland pitch count up to 73 and losing by 1, and you guys are worried? This is how the A's have been playing all year. There's alot of games left to play.
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PeterTheBeaver | 15 |
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Verlander 43 pitches end of 2nd inning, he might be out faster than last time he faced the A's. Last time he was done in 6th inning with 122 pitches.
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PeterTheBeaver | 15 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap: Oak A's+1.5 / +1/ml Verlander and theTigers could be the sucker bet of the day. The public isn't buying it also as 42% are on the A's just the way sportsbooks love almost even bets on both side. I was hoping the public would unload on the Tigers so I can get better odds on the A's. But the odds on the A's have gone down instead of up =/
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Quantum_Leap | 5 |
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Quote Originally Posted by lotj1: As Billy Beane said, after 162 games you're no longer a rookie. We all know playoffs are different than regular season. I'm not saying the Detroit won't win, but at -184 it's over juiced and not much value. Might as well take SF or Reds atleast the pay out is better. This game can go either way and has the same amount of risk as SF vs Reds. Why lay -184, the better value is Oakland at +160. Forgot to add GL everyone who are participating in this game, I just don't think the A's are going to lay down because Verlander is on the mound. This scrappy team has no fear, after losing 3 straight at home to the Angels this year, they went into Seattle and chased Felix Hernandez out of the game in 5innings putting up 5 runs. Sweeping the Seattle, then went right into Angel Stadium stealing 3 of 4, the Angels were 12-1 before they hit that road block. So don't expect an easy win today.
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TheWiff | 21 |
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Quote Originally Posted by TheWiff: Good luck Shadow As Billy Beane said, after 162 games you're no longer a rookie. We all know playoffs are different than regular season. I'm not saying the Detroit won't win, but at -184 it's over juiced and not much value. Might as well take SF or Reds atleast the pay out is better. This game can go either way and has the same amount of risk as SF vs Reds. Why lay -184, the better value is Oakland at +160.
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TheWiff | 21 |
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Verland also average 5.6 ERA in the playoffs. Quote Originally Posted by TheWiff:
Thank you sir you also!! |
TheWiff | 21 |
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Wanted to add Oakland was missing Coco Crisp in that September series, and Bret Anderson left the game after 2innings due to injury. This will be a different series I think. A's are night and day with and without Coco Crisp. Quote Originally Posted by tinfoils:
It happened again! I checked the post above and the info was there. How it disappears, I don't know......
A's won last six games and eight of last nine to win AL West. Tigers are 8-2 in last 10 games (all vs Royals/Twins), were beneficiaries of White Sox' collapse to win AL Central. Detroit won season series 4-3; winning team scored 10+ run in four of seven games- Tigers won two of three here Sept 18-20; teams split four games in Oakland in May. Parker is 4-0, 2.65 in his last five starts; he allowed two runs in 5.2 IP in 3-1 loss to Tigers in May, which was his first MLB loss. Verlander is 4-0, 0.96 in his last four starts; he beat Oakland twice this year, allowing one run in 13 IP. He had to throw 122 pitches in only six inning against the A's Sept 19. |
tinfoils | 16 |
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Damn double post earlier. Wanted to add something else to this thread.
These are Vegas odds Odds to win World Series:
Yankees: 5:1 Nationals: 5:1 Reds: 11:2 A's: 6:1 Tigers: 6:1 Giants: 7:1 Odds to win American League: Yankees: 9:4 A's 5:2 Detroit: 14/5 Rangers: 4:1 There's alot of so called sports experts out there(ESPN, Bleacherreports, etc), but the only meaningful experts are Vegas odds makers. Why? Because they have something to lose, if they set the lines wrong they lose Billions. When money is on the line, every stats, facts will be checked, rechecked, then tripled checked for accuracy. |
lotj1 | 15 |
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If you are assuming Justin Verlander is an automatic win then maybe these previous playoff stats can remind you nothing is automatic.
2006 1-2 5.82ERA 21.2innings pitched 2011 2-2 5.31ERA 20.1innings pitched He did lose 8 games this year right? 17-8 that's a 66% winner. I'm just putting out the facts for everyone to decide for themselves, I personally like the A's but I'm superstitious as everytime I put bets on them it never comes out well. I'll be betting on the other 3 series instead.
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lotj1 | 15 |
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If you are assuming Justin Verlander is an automatic win then maybe these previous playoff stats can remind you nothing is automatic.
2006 1-2 5.82ERA 21.2innings pitched 2011 2-2 5.31ERA 20.1innings pitched He did lose 8 games this year right? 17-8 that's a 66% winner. I'm just putting out the facts for everyone to decide for themselves, I personally like the A's but I'm superstitious as everytime I put bets on them it never comes out well. I'll be betting on the other 3 series instead.
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lotj1 | 15 |
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Also forgot to mention Tiger's are a streaky team, they can be red hot or put you to sleep. Not sure which team will show up, but at -160 I'm not taking any chances. +140 A's is a much better bet.
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lotj1 | 15 |
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I’ve listened/watched to almost 80% of all A’s this year from Tokyo to the last game against Texas, and here’s my take on why the A’s are a better value team to take at +140 for the series.
Series aren’t won on paper, but on the field. On paper the Tigers looks great, I won’t go into detail but they have the best pitcher Verland and MVP Cabera. What do the A’s have? The A’s have 2 different line ups, one for lefty’s and 1 for Righty pitchers. Melvin likes to swap between Johnny Gomes/Seth Smith, Brandon Moss/Chris Carter. These 4 guys stats sheet doesn’t look great but the amount of HR’s they hit will shock you. The A’s 1-8 hitters all can hit the ball out of the park, the A’s has the most HR’s since the All Star break(even more than the Yankees). But they lead the league in strikeouts, well if you are swinging for the fences they tend to strikeout. Chili Davis their hitting coach has done an awesome job with these rookies. Cesspedes, Reddick, Donaldson, Kottaras, Norris, Drew all has the power to hit the ball out of the park. Remember they play half their games at the Oakland Coliseum with the heavy fog it’s not easy to hit one out, just look at the last 4 years HR are a commodity in the O. co. Everyone knows A’s have all rookie starters and they’ve been doing well to keep the score down till we get to the other teams bullpen. A’s have good bullpen not great, although the last week they’ve been great. We’re suppose to get Anderson back for game 3. The A’s have 14 walk offs, all from different guys. This is one of the things that can’t be quantify on paper, this team has no MVPs. Every night a different person comes up big for the A’s, they have a ton of heart. They believe they are in every game even down by big margins they believe they can come back, they have no fear. They’ve been playing playoff baseball for the entire month of September, look at their brutal September schedule. They played Angels(home), Seattle(away), Angels(away), Orioles(home), Detriot(away), Yankees(away), Rangers(away), Seattle(home), Rangers(home). There’s no quit in this team, after being sweep by the Angels in early September at home they had to face Felix Hernandez on the road the next game. What did they do? They put up 5 earn runs against him. Then they faced Vargas took him out too to sweep Seattle. Then they take 3 out of 4 from the Angels at home who was arguably the hottest team then. Then they played the Orioles who were red hot winning 8 of last 10, they took 2 of 3 from them. Then they went to Detroit......No Coco Crisp due to Red Eye, infact they lost Crisp until that last series at home against Texas. Coco Crisp is the A’s igniter, without him it’s not the same. Ander got hurt after pitching 2 innings, they lost first 2 games and salvage the 3rd by putting up 12 runs against the Tigers. At Yankee stadium, Parker pitched a 1 run game into the 8th. Moss tied it in the bottom of the 9th to spoil CC’s shutout. Game 2 they played 16 innings putting up 4 runs, Melvin thought 4 runs was safe and put out AAA pitchers which the Yankees came back and won. Yet they salvaged the last game, this team doesn’t quit. The rest of the way everyone knows they split with Texas, sweept Seattle, and Sweep Texas to win AL west. On paper Detroit looks unbeatable because of starting pitching and MVP Cabera, Fielder. In reality the A’s lead in HR’s after all star game, Verlander is great but 1 mistake pitch and it’s 3-0 A’s; see Felix Hernandez. This formula has been working from All Star game to now, get one base with hits or walks then hit HR’s. A’s also have speed, they can walk, steal 2nd and 3rd and score on a fly ball. A’s post all star game, leads the league in Runs Scored, HR, Doubles. Leads all 5 playoff teams with SB, 82% on SB. There’s no value with Tigers at -160 for the series, the value is on the red hot A’s. The line should really be a pick em toss up. |
lotj1 | 15 |
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Quote Originally Posted by NJPorky: Basically the theory in a nutshell is I am looking for a middle of 10+ points between the original line and the 2H line. I have found that the majority of the time the games don't fall in those 10+ point middles...so considering that theory I bet the side in the game that is most likely. So for example let me give you an exageration to explain it. Lets take the Eagles tonight vs the Giants, the game was 3.5 and 48. For just talk sake, let's say the Giants were up 28-0 at the half. That would mean the eagles would have to be -31.5 in the 2H to cover the original spread. Now let's say they made the eagles -3. Someone who had the Giants +3.5 for the game could now turn around and bet Eagles -3 2H and if the game ends with either the Giants winning by 24 points or less or the eagles won by 3 points or less they would win both bets risking very little money. Over the years I have found that games that have these nice big middles rarely land in these middles, so if you know that, who are you more likely to bet in the 2H??? Giants +3 because the theory is if the eagles are going to cover the -3 they are also going to cover the original line also....Now that does happen sometimes in my bets where I bet one side and the other side not only covers the 2H but the original line...Example look at Bills today. They were down alot to the Bengals at the half so I took Bengals PK 2H as the theory was it wouldn't fall in that middle, the theory was correct as it didn't fall in the middle the Bills covered the 2H as well as the game line, I was just on the wrong side Thanks Porky! I'll take your theory into consideration on my 2h plays. Cheers! |
NJPorky | 103 |
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Quote Originally Posted by NJPorky: your right my mistake...either way still no play not 10 point difference Giants vs Eagles Eagles were 3.5 and 48 at the half eagles lead 13-3 2H lines should be Giants -6.5 and 32 real 2H lines are Pk and 23.5 thus we have NO PLAY!!!
Hey Porky would you mind explaining how your system works? I would be interested in the theory behind it.
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NJPorky | 103 |
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Quote Originally Posted by NJPorky: Giants vs Eagles Eagles were 3.5 and 38 at the half eagles lead 13-3 2H lines should be Giants -6.5 and 22 real 2H lines are Pk and 23.5 thus we have NO PLAY!!!
GL to all see ya Monday night.... Hey Porky, Eagles were 3.5 and 48 not 38.
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NJPorky | 103 |
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Scratch Phi -3 no play there.
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lotj1 | 4 |
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Opps forgot to add units to my play.
Jets -4 Cle +4.5 NYG -7 Phi -3 Pit -4.5 |
lotj1 | 4 |
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Been doing pretty well this NFL season thought I would post some of my plays.
These are my picks unless line changes come Sunday morning: Jets -4 Cle +4.5 NYG -7 Phi -3 Pit -4.5 Leans: Ari +7.5 Dal +7 |
lotj1 | 4 |
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