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tschifano

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 4:52 PM ET #1051

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pack4ever

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 4:57 PM ET #1052

Please Ukraine Win

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pack4ever

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 4:58 PM ET #1053

Nice and easy hit on Ireland Last Place

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UMSUXUFSWALLOWS

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 4:59 PM ET #1054

Van,

Looking forward to your post for France/Sweden. GL to all, hope everyone is enjoying the game as much as the money.

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vanzack

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:00 PM ET #1055

That Spain goal was so big.

Now France will try tomorrow - I was really considering the possibility that France was going to tank it tomorrow.

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vanzack

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:43 PM ET #1056

Good day - I will take it.

That Ireland loss will sting - but how can I complain with that last Spain goal that I still think BOTH guys were offside?

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P4P

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:47 PM ET #1057

Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

That Spain goal was so big.

Now France will try tomorrow - I was really considering the possibility that France was going to tank it tomorrow.

Wouldn't Spain have won the group regardless (had the game ended 0-0)? All the goal did was allow Italy to sneak in as far as I can tell.

Fwiw I also thought that was offside, was stunned it counted.

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vanzack

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:49 PM ET #1058

BTW - I did happen to hit Group C exactly right..... back in post #3.

Group C:

Spain 7

Italy 5

Croatia 4

ROI 0

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lbcake

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:50 PM ET #1059

Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Good day - I will take it.

That Ireland loss will sting - but how can I complain with that last Spain goal that I still think BOTH guys were offside?

No. They were both ok.

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blitz240

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:52 PM ET #1060

Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

BTW - I did happen to hit Group C exactly right..... back in post #3.

Group C:

Spain 7

Italy 5

Croatia 4

ROI 0

winning with class, cheers Van

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Professional1

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:52 PM ET #1061

Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

BTW - I did happen to hit Group C exactly right..... back in post #3.

Group C:

Spain 7

Italy 5

Croatia 4

ROI 0

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vanzack

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:53 PM ET #1062

Quote Originally Posted by P4P:

Wouldn't Spain have won the group regardless (had the game ended 0-0)? All the goal did was allow Italy to sneak in as far as I can tell.

Fwiw I also thought that was offside, was stunned it counted.

Pretty sure Italy would have won the group, and Spain would have come in 2nd.

I think it would have worked like this: Croatia, Italy, and Spain would all be tied - and they all tied head to head. But Italy would win the group on goals scored between the 3 teams - because they scored 2 goals when Croatia and Spain only scored 1 in games involving those 3 teams.

Then they would go to overall goal differential to decide second place between Spain and Croatia - and because Spain beat Ireland worse than Croatia did - Spain would get second.

But yes - I have replayed the goal several times - and BOTH players were offside IMO. I literally waited at least 30 seconds to even celebrate - I couldnt believe they were walking back to the center circle to kick off....

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Malachiwhy

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:53 PM ET #1063

Quote Originally Posted by P4P:

Wouldn't Spain have won the group regardless (had the game ended 0-0)? All the goal did was allow Italy to sneak in as far as I can tell.

Fwiw I also thought that was offside, was stunned it counted.

Italy would have won the group had it ended 0-0

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vanzack

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:56 PM ET #1064

Quote Originally Posted by lbcake:

No. They were both ok.

Cake - if you watch again - Navas was clearly offside on the FIRST pass. Yes, the pass did not come to him - but he was offside and he could have been contrued as an integral part of that play. The second pass seemed to have been very close to even - but Im not sure you can tell from the camera angle.

Not to mention that it seemed the arm and shoulder of Iniesta was off on the first pass.

Very close stuff.

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vanzack

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:56 PM ET #1065

Quote Originally Posted by Professional1:

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Both!

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4headies

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 5:59 PM ET #1066

Quote Originally Posted by sportzguy123:

FYI...

MARIO BALOTELLI not playing today unless Italy is loosing!

Look for Cassano & Di Natale for a goals

Apparently, Balotelli plays till the last whistle.

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P4P

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 6:01 PM ET #1067

Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Pretty sure Italy would have won the group, and Spain would have come in 2nd.

I think it would have worked like this: Croatia, Italy, and Spain would all be tied - and they all tied head to head. But Italy would win the group on goals scored between the 3 teams - because they scored 2 goals when Croatia and Spain only scored 1 in games involving those 3 teams.

Then they would go to overall goal differential to decide second place between Spain and Croatia - and because Spain beat Ireland worse than Croatia did - Spain would get second.

But yes - I have replayed the goal several times - and BOTH players were offside IMO. I literally waited at least 30 seconds to even celebrate - I couldnt believe they were walking back to the center circle to kick off....

Ahhhh then yes, that WAS a huge goal. Now let's go France

My reaction to that goal was probably at least as delayed as yours. Watching the game with no sound probably made it even more unbelievable.

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lbcake

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 6:25 PM ET #1068

Navas -

The law now states that a player in an offside position is only penalised if he/she is involved in active play by:

Interfering with play
Interfering with an opponent
Or gaining an advantage by being in that position

That means that when a ball is first crossed a player can stand in an offside position as long as he isn't doing any of the three things above.

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vanzack

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Posted: Jun. 18, 2012 - 6:25 PM ET #1069

Results:
13 - 4.5 - 2 WLP
+17.67 units

1. Greece +.5 at +112 1 unit - WIN
2. Russia to win at +128 for 3 units - WIN
3. Dutch -170 for 2 units - LOSS
4. Germany -.5 -105 for 1 unit - WIN
5. Germany under 2.5 -107 for 1 unit - WIN
6. Italy +.5 and +1 -105 for 2.5 units - WIN
7. Croatia -.5 +120 for 1.5 units - WIN
8. France PK -120 5 units - PUSH
9. Swe/Ukr over 2 -126 3 units - WIN
10. Russia +142 3 units - LOSS
11. Czech PK and -.5 +108 1.5 units - WIN
12. Portugal -.5 +102 for 2 units - WIN
13. Italy Pk and -.5 for 4 units - HALF LOSS
14. Spain -1.5 -110 for 2 units - WIN
15. Ukr/Fra over 2 -120 3 units - PUSH
16. Sweden +.5 -130 1 unit - LOSS
17. Rus/Gre - No bet
18. Pol/Cze - No bet
19. Ger/Den over 2.5 -115 for 2 units - WIN
20. Portugal PK +103 4 units - WIN
21. Spain -140 for 2 units - WIN
22. Ireland +1.5 -115 1 unit - LOSS

Futures:

Italy to win the tournament +1425. 2 units
England to come in last in group D anywhere from +500 to +600. 3 units
England not to win the group at -210. 2 units
England to go under 5.5 points in the group anywhere from PK to -150. 3 units
Ukraine to advance from group D +145. 2 units
Russia to win group A +170. 3 units Republic of Ireland to finish last in Group C -125. 3 units.
Denmark to finish last in group B -167. 2 units.

Upcoming:

23. France / Sweden: My biggest fear as the minutes ticked off in the Spain / Croatia game today was that Spain was going to come in 2nd, and somehow France wouldnt put a full effort in tomorrow to avoid Spain in the quarters. But alas - the soccer gods smiled on everyone who needs France to win in the form of a silly goal that could have easily been offside.

Sweden is cooked. What more can I say about it? Their defense has been horrendous and I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that something is going to change. They have been absotely thrashed in both games - against some really average offensive opposition. Their one advantage is in the air - on set pieces and corners - but I expect France to be well aware of this and take it away.

Ribbery should have an absolute field day against a slow clumsy defense. The ball will go through him - and he will have his usual dribbling in to corners escapades but I think he will finally set up Benzema possibly multiple times. Mvila will probably start and hold the back down - and I do hope Cabaye continues - he has really been very good.

France wins this one going away. France -150 for 2.5 units. Most likely final France 3-0.

24. England / Ukraine: Theo Wolcott came on for England and made a huge impact - scoring one and assisting the other to come from a 2-1 deficit in the last 25 minutes and win. He appears to have made a miraculous recovery since his hamstring pull yesterday - and might be in the lineup tomorrow.

England are a very different type of team - their formation and strategy are widely varied - and it is important when handicapping to get it right. You saw it in the first two game - was that the same England team against Sweden that we saw against France? Most of the players were the same - just a totally different formation and strategy caused a totally different types of games. So how will they play tomorrow? I expect much closer to France than to Sweden.

I think Rooney will start in place of Caroll - and will play tucked in behind Wellbeck - almost in a 1 striker attack. I expect to see the back 4 firmly in place - and when the Ukraine get the ball I expect to see two banks of 4 that will look very familiar to those who saw the Eng / France game. England will then look to counter - and certainly having Rooney as an attacking option will help things for them.

Shevchenko is "50/50" to play - and to be honest - if he is anything less than 100% the Ukraine should leave him on the bench. Im not sure there is a slower striker in the tournament - and add to that a bad knee? But on the other hand - I doubt they can keep him out of the lineup because of what this means to the Ukraine and to him - he has earned it if he can do it. But where are the goals going to come from for Ukraine? I think everyone saw the problems for them against France - just no concept on offense - and constantly sending hopeful balls in to hopeful areas for hopeful chances. England will be packed back in a formation that requires a true playmaker - like a point guard in basketball against a zone - to break it down. I dont see a yellow jersey with that guy.

Im see a lack of chances in this one. I am worried about the desperation factor as the game goes on if it is scoreless - as we have seen in these other 3rd round games there is a point where the Ukraine will have to press - and open things up at the back. Surprisingly - it is possible that the best thing for an under is for the Ukraine to score and be up 1-0, and just absorb pressure the rest of the game because Im not sure England will be able to break down a parked bus either.

Im on the Under 2.5 -115 for 2 units. Most likely result 0-0.