Mexico / Cameroon – Cameroon PK and +.5 -101 (1 unit) – See this line and total as being just about right.Think the most likely result is a draw here, so would also advocate the draw at about +215 or so but will have my money on Cameroon.I think size in the air and speed in transition might just be the undoing of Mexico – and while the Cameroon drama of not wanting to get on the plane scares me – the drama and pressure of Mexico make me feel at ease.Mexico has been in horrendous form as of the last year or so – and I just don’t see how they flip the switch.Predicted final score Mexico 1 Cameroon 1.
Spain / Netherlands – Spain to win -112 (2 units) – I have been back and forth on this game for about a month now – not on who I like but on how much I like them.As I wrote in my preview, this is a game for the lovers of tactics out there – possession vs counter at its finest.I am sticking with my gut here and my belief that Diego Costa will make a big difference up front for Spain – and they will turn the 70% possession in to goals.The Dutch will be playing defense – but I don’t see where they have it to withstand the pressure for 90 minutes.For me – I land right in the middle of my wager size I had considered for this game – and probably close to my max for a first round game…Predicted final score Spain 2 Netherlands 0
Chile / Australia – Chile to win -215 (1 unit), Chile -1 -116 (1 unit) – I am a little concerned about laying so much chalk in a first round game, but this is as nice of a spot to do it as any.Chile will attack all game.It is 90 minutes of hell for the opponent.Australia has a new squad with a really bad run of form – and Chile will know that goal differential in this first game might be the difference in getting out of this group.They wont be happy with a 1 goal win.Mismatches all over the field, but laying the -218 to take back something on a 1 goal win….Predicted final score Chile 3 Australia 0.
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Mexico / Cameroon – Cameroon PK and +.5 -101 (1 unit) – See this line and total as being just about right.Think the most likely result is a draw here, so would also advocate the draw at about +215 or so but will have my money on Cameroon.I think size in the air and speed in transition might just be the undoing of Mexico – and while the Cameroon drama of not wanting to get on the plane scares me – the drama and pressure of Mexico make me feel at ease.Mexico has been in horrendous form as of the last year or so – and I just don’t see how they flip the switch.Predicted final score Mexico 1 Cameroon 1.
Spain / Netherlands – Spain to win -112 (2 units) – I have been back and forth on this game for about a month now – not on who I like but on how much I like them.As I wrote in my preview, this is a game for the lovers of tactics out there – possession vs counter at its finest.I am sticking with my gut here and my belief that Diego Costa will make a big difference up front for Spain – and they will turn the 70% possession in to goals.The Dutch will be playing defense – but I don’t see where they have it to withstand the pressure for 90 minutes.For me – I land right in the middle of my wager size I had considered for this game – and probably close to my max for a first round game…Predicted final score Spain 2 Netherlands 0
Chile / Australia – Chile to win -215 (1 unit), Chile -1 -116 (1 unit) – I am a little concerned about laying so much chalk in a first round game, but this is as nice of a spot to do it as any.Chile will attack all game.It is 90 minutes of hell for the opponent.Australia has a new squad with a really bad run of form – and Chile will know that goal differential in this first game might be the difference in getting out of this group.They wont be happy with a 1 goal win.Mismatches all over the field, but laying the -218 to take back something on a 1 goal win….Predicted final score Chile 3 Australia 0.
Bet365 is offering run-of-the-mill prices for outright win
4.00 Brazil
5.00 Argentina
23.00 France etc etc
However my stake on 'outright winner' will be refunded if the team I back to win it all, is eliminated during a penalty shootout.
Strictly using this angle, which of the teams on your bracket are most likely to get to one or more penalty shootouts during the playoffs, and/or lose in one?
Despite your write-up I like Brazil to take the trophy. Would you say there's a fairly high chance this defensive-minded squad will keep a couple of clean sheets in this tournament and maybe face a penalty shootout vs. France or Argentina?
Any comments are much appreciated. I am considering making Brazil a (very) large bet, based on the availability of that refund.
Very interesting...
And at first thought I have no idea how to play it.
I would say if you like Brazil, can get Brazil at +300 and get your money back if you lose in penalties - that sounds like a pretty damn good deal.
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Quote Originally Posted by MuggsyBogues:
Bet365 is offering run-of-the-mill prices for outright win
4.00 Brazil
5.00 Argentina
23.00 France etc etc
However my stake on 'outright winner' will be refunded if the team I back to win it all, is eliminated during a penalty shootout.
Strictly using this angle, which of the teams on your bracket are most likely to get to one or more penalty shootouts during the playoffs, and/or lose in one?
Despite your write-up I like Brazil to take the trophy. Would you say there's a fairly high chance this defensive-minded squad will keep a couple of clean sheets in this tournament and maybe face a penalty shootout vs. France or Argentina?
Any comments are much appreciated. I am considering making Brazil a (very) large bet, based on the availability of that refund.
Very interesting...
And at first thought I have no idea how to play it.
I would say if you like Brazil, can get Brazil at +300 and get your money back if you lose in penalties - that sounds like a pretty damn good deal.
Mexico / Cameroon – Cameroon PK and +.5 -101 (1 unit) – See this line and total as being just about right.Think the most likely result is a draw here, so would also advocate the draw at about +215 or so but will have my money on Cameroon.I think size in the air and speed in transition might just be the undoing of Mexico – and while the Cameroon drama of not wanting to get on the plane scares me – the drama and pressure of Mexico make me feel at ease.Mexico has been in horrendous form as of the last year or so – and I just don’t see how they flip the switch.Predicted final score Mexico 1 Cameroon 1.
Spain / Netherlands – Spain to win -112 (2 units) – I have been back and forth on this game for about a month now – not on who I like but on how much I like them.As I wrote in my preview, this is a game for the lovers of tactics out there – possession vs counter at its finest.I am sticking with my gut here and my belief that Diego Costa will make a big difference up front for Spain – and they will turn the 70% possession in to goals.The Dutch will be playing defense – but I don’t see where they have it to withstand the pressure for 90 minutes.For me – I land right in the middle of my wager size I had considered for this game – and probably close to my max for a first round game…Predicted final score Spain 2 Netherlands 0
Chile / Australia – Chile to win -215 (1 unit), Chile -1 -116 (1 unit) – I am a little concerned about laying so much chalk in a first round game, but this is as nice of a spot to do it as any.Chile will attack all game.It is 90 minutes of hell for the opponent.Australia has a new squad with a really bad run of form – and Chile will know that goal differential in this first game might be the difference in getting out of this group.They wont be happy with a 1 goal win.Mismatches all over the field, but laying the -218 to take back something on a 1 goal win….Predicted final score Chile 3 Australia 0.
Van, when you say,
"Cameroon PK and +.5 -101 (1 unit)"
Do you bet it a .5 unit on each side?
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Friday June 10
Mexico / Cameroon – Cameroon PK and +.5 -101 (1 unit) – See this line and total as being just about right.Think the most likely result is a draw here, so would also advocate the draw at about +215 or so but will have my money on Cameroon.I think size in the air and speed in transition might just be the undoing of Mexico – and while the Cameroon drama of not wanting to get on the plane scares me – the drama and pressure of Mexico make me feel at ease.Mexico has been in horrendous form as of the last year or so – and I just don’t see how they flip the switch.Predicted final score Mexico 1 Cameroon 1.
Spain / Netherlands – Spain to win -112 (2 units) – I have been back and forth on this game for about a month now – not on who I like but on how much I like them.As I wrote in my preview, this is a game for the lovers of tactics out there – possession vs counter at its finest.I am sticking with my gut here and my belief that Diego Costa will make a big difference up front for Spain – and they will turn the 70% possession in to goals.The Dutch will be playing defense – but I don’t see where they have it to withstand the pressure for 90 minutes.For me – I land right in the middle of my wager size I had considered for this game – and probably close to my max for a first round game…Predicted final score Spain 2 Netherlands 0
Chile / Australia – Chile to win -215 (1 unit), Chile -1 -116 (1 unit) – I am a little concerned about laying so much chalk in a first round game, but this is as nice of a spot to do it as any.Chile will attack all game.It is 90 minutes of hell for the opponent.Australia has a new squad with a really bad run of form – and Chile will know that goal differential in this first game might be the difference in getting out of this group.They wont be happy with a 1 goal win.Mismatches all over the field, but laying the -218 to take back something on a 1 goal win….Predicted final score Chile 3 Australia 0.
OK - can see this question coming... Nothing personal as I know a lot of people are new to betting soccer.... So I will write this with the thought of cutting and pasting as the question comes again.
In soccer handicaps, you can have half goals, and you can have whole goals. For instance, a team can be -.5 goal or -1 goal or -1.5 goals. This is pretty easy to understand.
But because goals are at such a premium, and the difference sometimes between -.5 and -1 is so great - the handicaps are sometimes "-.5 AND -1". This is a single bet where half of your wager goes on -.5, and half goes on -1 BOTH AT THE STATED ODDS.
So if a team is PK and +.5 -101, this means if you bet 101 total - you would have 50.50 on PK and 50.50 on +.5.
Some example scores:
Draw means you would push on the PK bet but win the +.5 bet. So you would profit 50 on a 101 bet.
A win means you would win both bets, profiting 100 on a 101 bet.
A loss means you lose both bets, losing 101.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Tressel:
Van, when you say,
"Cameroon PK and +.5 -101 (1 unit)"
Do you bet it a .5 unit on each side?
OK - can see this question coming... Nothing personal as I know a lot of people are new to betting soccer.... So I will write this with the thought of cutting and pasting as the question comes again.
In soccer handicaps, you can have half goals, and you can have whole goals. For instance, a team can be -.5 goal or -1 goal or -1.5 goals. This is pretty easy to understand.
But because goals are at such a premium, and the difference sometimes between -.5 and -1 is so great - the handicaps are sometimes "-.5 AND -1". This is a single bet where half of your wager goes on -.5, and half goes on -1 BOTH AT THE STATED ODDS.
So if a team is PK and +.5 -101, this means if you bet 101 total - you would have 50.50 on PK and 50.50 on +.5.
Some example scores:
Draw means you would push on the PK bet but win the +.5 bet. So you would profit 50 on a 101 bet.
A win means you would win both bets, profiting 100 on a 101 bet.
OK - can see this question coming... Nothing personal as I know a lot of people are new to betting soccer.... So I will write this with the thought of cutting and pasting as the question comes again.
In soccer handicaps, you can have half goals, and you can have whole goals. For instance, a team can be -.5 goal or -1 goal or -1.5 goals. This is pretty easy to understand.
But because goals are at such a premium, and the difference sometimes between -.5 and -1 is so great - the handicaps are sometimes "-.5 AND -1". This is a single bet where half of your wager goes on -.5, and half goes on -1 BOTH AT THE STATED ODDS.
So if a team is PK and +.5 -101, this means if you bet 101 total - you would have 50.50 on PK and 50.50 on +.5.
Some example scores:
Draw means you would push on the PK bet but win the +.5 bet. So you would profit 50 on a 101 bet.
A win means you would win both bets, profiting 100 on a 101 bet.
A loss means you lose both bets, losing 101.
Great, thanks for the clarification.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
OK - can see this question coming... Nothing personal as I know a lot of people are new to betting soccer.... So I will write this with the thought of cutting and pasting as the question comes again.
In soccer handicaps, you can have half goals, and you can have whole goals. For instance, a team can be -.5 goal or -1 goal or -1.5 goals. This is pretty easy to understand.
But because goals are at such a premium, and the difference sometimes between -.5 and -1 is so great - the handicaps are sometimes "-.5 AND -1". This is a single bet where half of your wager goes on -.5, and half goes on -1 BOTH AT THE STATED ODDS.
So if a team is PK and +.5 -101, this means if you bet 101 total - you would have 50.50 on PK and 50.50 on +.5.
Some example scores:
Draw means you would push on the PK bet but win the +.5 bet. So you would profit 50 on a 101 bet.
A win means you would win both bets, profiting 100 on a 101 bet.
Thanks for the thoughts Van -- I think the Chile/Australia game should be one where Chile controls from the opening whistle, so I would be shocked if they didn't come away with three points there. Laying over -200 is nothing I want to do on a regular basis, but that talent differential is so massive that I think there is value backing the Chileans on the ML.
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Thanks for the thoughts Van -- I think the Chile/Australia game should be one where Chile controls from the opening whistle, so I would be shocked if they didn't come away with three points there. Laying over -200 is nothing I want to do on a regular basis, but that talent differential is so massive that I think there is value backing the Chileans on the ML.
I thought this article at ESPN was interesting https://www.espnfc.com/story/1727352. It basically says that the heat and humidity in some locations will have a big effect on play. Games played at locations like Manaus will be played at the hottest time of the day to catch the biggest TV audience, Europe. Might this make for some more under plays? Maybe even 2nd half unders because you know teams playing in tropical jungle conditions are going to be gassed 2nd half.
Again thanks, looks like you will hit the 100,000 views mark, you have already flown by 10,000 and the cup hasn't even started.
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I thought this article at ESPN was interesting https://www.espnfc.com/story/1727352. It basically says that the heat and humidity in some locations will have a big effect on play. Games played at locations like Manaus will be played at the hottest time of the day to catch the biggest TV audience, Europe. Might this make for some more under plays? Maybe even 2nd half unders because you know teams playing in tropical jungle conditions are going to be gassed 2nd half.
Again thanks, looks like you will hit the 100,000 views mark, you have already flown by 10,000 and the cup hasn't even started.
The article states -- The 2014 World Cup in temperature terms will therefore be similar to the three North American World Cups – Mexico in 1970 & 1986, and the USA in 1994 – where matches were played in extreme heat and humidity, and perhaps not coincidentally where the Europeans have also failed to win.
The Europeans didn't win. But they were 2nd place in each of those finals. Not only that, in USA, Europeans were also 3rd and 4th place (Swedes and Bulgarians). So 3 of the 4 semi-finalists came from Europe in '94.
I am curious which teams are likely to do better in higher heat/humidity venues. African teams?
The article states -- The 2014 World Cup in temperature terms will therefore be similar to the three North American World Cups – Mexico in 1970 & 1986, and the USA in 1994 – where matches were played in extreme heat and humidity, and perhaps not coincidentally where the Europeans have also failed to win.
The Europeans didn't win. But they were 2nd place in each of those finals. Not only that, in USA, Europeans were also 3rd and 4th place (Swedes and Bulgarians). So 3 of the 4 semi-finalists came from Europe in '94.
I am curious which teams are likely to do better in higher heat/humidity venues. African teams?
Hopefully Jurgen is either watching or about to read what I am going to write...
You know who is BOTH the YOUNGEST and SMALLEST team in the WC? Ghana.
And you know how to beat these guys? In the air and with diagonal runs and through balls. Keep sending guys through. I would start my speediest lineup up front, and I would take advantage of that zig zag defensive line I am seeing out there. Try it 10 times, you got at least 1 one on one. Bradley can send in those balls he was doing so masterfully against Nigeria.
Come on Jurgen. Im here. Give me a call. We can do this.
Smallest as in short? The Ghana players looked 3-4 inches taller than the SK players.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Watching the Ghana / S Korea game....
Hopefully Jurgen is either watching or about to read what I am going to write...
You know who is BOTH the YOUNGEST and SMALLEST team in the WC? Ghana.
And you know how to beat these guys? In the air and with diagonal runs and through balls. Keep sending guys through. I would start my speediest lineup up front, and I would take advantage of that zig zag defensive line I am seeing out there. Try it 10 times, you got at least 1 one on one. Bradley can send in those balls he was doing so masterfully against Nigeria.
Come on Jurgen. Im here. Give me a call. We can do this.
Smallest as in short? The Ghana players looked 3-4 inches taller than the SK players.
Sorry guys, got into this thread late as I haven't been around much on Covers lately or betting a lot. So this is going all the way back to page 2 in this thread concerning the Ribery injury for France. Just wanted to say that as a big France supporter I am not worried about this and in a way kind of happy about it. Do not underestimate Antoine Griezmann who will no doubt take his spot on the field. Ribery has been inconsistent on the international level and I'm happy to have Griezmann in his place to try and show off his great talent!
Other than that, great thread! Thanks for posting all the analysis Vanzack and company!
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Sorry guys, got into this thread late as I haven't been around much on Covers lately or betting a lot. So this is going all the way back to page 2 in this thread concerning the Ribery injury for France. Just wanted to say that as a big France supporter I am not worried about this and in a way kind of happy about it. Do not underestimate Antoine Griezmann who will no doubt take his spot on the field. Ribery has been inconsistent on the international level and I'm happy to have Griezmann in his place to try and show off his great talent!
Other than that, great thread! Thanks for posting all the analysis Vanzack and company!
Best of luck in the World Cup Tourney. This is a must read. Thanks for the time you put into this thread
I really liked France as well, and I still do. I just don't think we are looking at a team that can win this thing without Ribery. He is a top 5 player in the world, you don't replace that. I still think they could get to the semis. On a side note must be nice to have the luxury to leave a player like Nasri off your roster.
Think Reus injury is an impactful one as well. While Germany has great depth, he is a very talented attacking mid player. Immense pressure on this team. Lack of a world class striker probably leaves them short of glory.
I think your total bet in the first game seems solid. Looks like you would probably need all the goals to come from Brazil to lose that. I have concerns that it isn't simply enough for Brazil to win games, they are going want to put on a show. Feels like under bettors will be sweating this one ( but aren't we always sweating under bets) Can Crotia maintain the defensive discipline?
I personally think the Argentina/Bosnia under is a solid bet with a great current price at even.
As you pointed out the Cameroon bonus disputes are a worry.Sounds like it was resolved , but you never know with these African teams. Doesn't seem to be nearly as bad as the Nigeria situation last year before the Confed Cup.
Nice reverse jinx on the US :). They will get a point.
I'm very interested in that Italy/England game mainly because of the venue. It will be interested to see just how rough the conditions in Manaus will be . (POrtugal/USA play there)
The USA looks very fit, give JK credit for that. It may be a difference maker in the Portugal game. CR should be extra motivated since JK for some strange reason left him off his Balon D' Or vote.
Low was thought to the tatical guy when JK was the coach of Germany, and his tatics were certainly questioned at Bayern. What are your thoughts on JK as a coach, mainly from a tatical perspective?
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Van:
Best of luck in the World Cup Tourney. This is a must read. Thanks for the time you put into this thread
I really liked France as well, and I still do. I just don't think we are looking at a team that can win this thing without Ribery. He is a top 5 player in the world, you don't replace that. I still think they could get to the semis. On a side note must be nice to have the luxury to leave a player like Nasri off your roster.
Think Reus injury is an impactful one as well. While Germany has great depth, he is a very talented attacking mid player. Immense pressure on this team. Lack of a world class striker probably leaves them short of glory.
I think your total bet in the first game seems solid. Looks like you would probably need all the goals to come from Brazil to lose that. I have concerns that it isn't simply enough for Brazil to win games, they are going want to put on a show. Feels like under bettors will be sweating this one ( but aren't we always sweating under bets) Can Crotia maintain the defensive discipline?
I personally think the Argentina/Bosnia under is a solid bet with a great current price at even.
As you pointed out the Cameroon bonus disputes are a worry.Sounds like it was resolved , but you never know with these African teams. Doesn't seem to be nearly as bad as the Nigeria situation last year before the Confed Cup.
Nice reverse jinx on the US :). They will get a point.
I'm very interested in that Italy/England game mainly because of the venue. It will be interested to see just how rough the conditions in Manaus will be . (POrtugal/USA play there)
The USA looks very fit, give JK credit for that. It may be a difference maker in the Portugal game. CR should be extra motivated since JK for some strange reason left him off his Balon D' Or vote.
Low was thought to the tatical guy when JK was the coach of Germany, and his tatics were certainly questioned at Bayern. What are your thoughts on JK as a coach, mainly from a tatical perspective?
Thanks for posting Im new to soccer and been running bad. No disrespect but on your pre tournament betting, how did u do in 2010 worldcup? Im just deciding to see if I should follow u on all or it. Just curious since ive been running so bad lately
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Hey van
Thanks for posting Im new to soccer and been running bad. No disrespect but on your pre tournament betting, how did u do in 2010 worldcup? Im just deciding to see if I should follow u on all or it. Just curious since ive been running so bad lately
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