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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 5:16 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:

    Great stuff RED. I have to say I like these simplified capping techniques. Do you have an idea of the record of you plays? Keep it up!

    I have been using it only for the last 4 days and the records are 10-5 NBA and 28-13 NCAAB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:

    Great stuff RED. I have to say I like these simplified capping techniques. Do you have an idea of the record of you plays? Keep it up!

    I have been using it only for the last 4 days and the records are 10-5 NBA and 28-13 NCAAB.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 6:57 AM ET #27

    Excellent Stuff Calinreddog!!!
    Keep up the good work!!!
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    Keep up the good work!!!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 9:36 AM ET #28

    I will change a little bit my formula to get more realistic numbers. I have reviewed the totals projected by my formula yesterday and some of them (especially) for NCAAB were too big. I am thinking at uconn-louvi (projected 185) and kan-bay (projected 175). If I would've wanted to choose 2 games with the biggest difference between the total I projected and the total listed I would've been chosen those 2 games as being the most confident plays. But those the only ones lost from my 6 picks so it's not good.
    I think I found a way to get numbers more realistic, closer to the totals listed by the bookies ( I think we can take those as a reference because, for NBA, they are setting pretty sharp total lines).
    I'll come back later with more realistic projected totals.
    The idea is there's got to be a significant corelation between the difference and the degree of confidence in order for my formula to be successful in the long run.
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    I will change a little bit my formula to get more realistic numbers. I have reviewed the totals projected by my formula yesterday and some of them (especially) for NCAAB were too big. I am thinking at uconn-louvi (projected 185) and kan-bay (projected 175). If I would've wanted to choose 2 games with the biggest difference between the total I projected and the total listed I would've been chosen those 2 games as being the most confident plays. But those the only ones lost from my 6 picks so it's not good.
    I think I found a way to get numbers more realistic, closer to the totals listed by the bookies ( I think we can take those as a reference because, for NBA, they are setting pretty sharp total lines).
    I'll come back later with more realistic projected totals.
    The idea is there's got to be a significant corelation between the difference and the degree of confidence in order for my formula to be successful in the long run.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 12:37 PM ET #29

    Projected totals for tonight basketball games are:
     

    NBA

    tor-cle 203

    min-ind 206

    bos-phi 194

    mil-njn 186

    chi-hou 198

    sa-den 203

     

    NCAAB

    purd-ohios 133

    cmich-buf 128

    misst-kenty 151

    rutg-gt 141

    akr-emich 118

    tol-kst 126

    twsn-oldom 131

    hof-gmasn 144

    byu-airfc 139

    iast-kanst 145

    mary-nocar 153

    niowa-brad 136

    socar-fla 160

    marq-dep 146

    wyom-nm 155

    sdst-unlv 141

     

     

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    Projected totals for tonight basketball games are:
     

    NBA

    tor-cle 203

    min-ind 206

    bos-phi 194

    mil-njn 186

    chi-hou 198

    sa-den 203

     

    NCAAB

    purd-ohios 133

    cmich-buf 128

    misst-kenty 151

    rutg-gt 141

    akr-emich 118

    tol-kst 126

    twsn-oldom 131

    hof-gmasn 144

    byu-airfc 139

    iast-kanst 145

    mary-nocar 153

    niowa-brad 136

    socar-fla 160

    marq-dep 146

    wyom-nm 155

    sdst-unlv 141

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 5:24 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by calinreddog:

    Yes Patrick, I'll use an example from today's games:

    lal at nyk (total listed at 225)

    First, we'll write the points for and against for both teams when plyaing away (for the Lakers) and when playing at home (for the Knicks):

              points for             points against

    lal         107.5                      100.0

    nyk       107.5                      106.7

    Then we'll the points for and the points against to get an idea about the pace of the game.

    Total points for = 107.5 + 107.5 = 215

    Total points against = 100.0 + 106.7 = 206.7

    Third, to see if the game is going to be much or less offensive we divide the total offensive (total points for) by the total defensive (total points against) and that is:

    off/def = 215 / 206.7 = 1.04

    If this number (pace) it's higher than 1.00 the game is going to be rather offensive than defensive and that means that both teams are focused on scoring. If we have that situation we will use only the offensive numbers to estimate the total. But if the number is below 1.00 the game will not be so offensive so we will use only the defensive numbers to estimate the total.

    In this case (offensive game) we'll multiply the total offensive (total points for) by the off / def fraction and that means:

    215 * 1.04 = 223.6

    Compared to the 225 total line there is a small difference of -1.4 points, but that too little.

    So, in this case the total line set by the bookie is very sharp and I wouldn't take a play based on a difference of only 1.4 points. The total will be around 215-220 but is too hard to say it will go over or under 225, so there's no play for this game.

     

    So where do the Points for and Points against come from? sorry, Im a newbie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calinreddog:

    Yes Patrick, I'll use an example from today's games:

    lal at nyk (total listed at 225)

    First, we'll write the points for and against for both teams when plyaing away (for the Lakers) and when playing at home (for the Knicks):

              points for             points against

    lal         107.5                      100.0

    nyk       107.5                      106.7

    Then we'll the points for and the points against to get an idea about the pace of the game.

    Total points for = 107.5 + 107.5 = 215

    Total points against = 100.0 + 106.7 = 206.7

    Third, to see if the game is going to be much or less offensive we divide the total offensive (total points for) by the total defensive (total points against) and that is:

    off/def = 215 / 206.7 = 1.04

    If this number (pace) it's higher than 1.00 the game is going to be rather offensive than defensive and that means that both teams are focused on scoring. If we have that situation we will use only the offensive numbers to estimate the total. But if the number is below 1.00 the game will not be so offensive so we will use only the defensive numbers to estimate the total.

    In this case (offensive game) we'll multiply the total offensive (total points for) by the off / def fraction and that means:

    215 * 1.04 = 223.6

    Compared to the 225 total line there is a small difference of -1.4 points, but that too little.

    So, in this case the total line set by the bookie is very sharp and I wouldn't take a play based on a difference of only 1.4 points. The total will be around 215-220 but is too hard to say it will go over or under 225, so there's no play for this game.

     

    So where do the Points for and Points against come from? sorry, Im a newbie.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 5:36 PM ET #31

    REDDOG: keep up the good work.
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 5:42 PM ET #32

    My picks for tonight are:

    NBA

    tor-cle over 194

    min-ind under 219

    mil-nj under 195.5

    NCAAB

    misst-kenty over 139.5

    rutg-gt over 130

    hof-gmasn over 128

    byu-airfc over 124.5

    iast-kanst over 134

    sdst-unlv over 129.5

     

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    My picks for tonight are:

    NBA

    tor-cle over 194

    min-ind under 219

    mil-nj under 195.5

    NCAAB

    misst-kenty over 139.5

    rutg-gt over 130

    hof-gmasn over 128

    byu-airfc over 124.5

    iast-kanst over 134

    sdst-unlv over 129.5

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 5:53 PM ET #33

    REDDOG: don't ever give up the search.....
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 5:55 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by robomotion:

    REDDOG: don't ever give up the search.....

    That's all what I did the last 2 weeks and I'll continue to do it.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by robomotion:

    REDDOG: don't ever give up the search.....

    That's all what I did the last 2 weeks and I'll continue to do it.

    Thanks,

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 6:04 PM ET #35

    REDD : what is your differential from your 0/u  to books 0/u in order to have action ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by robomotion:

    REDD : what is your differential from your 0/u  to books 0/u in order to have action ?

    Around 10 points, but if I have let's say my number 188 and the total listed by the bookie is 180 (NBA) I'll take the over at 8 points difference.

    I prefere 10 points but not based on any research or facts, I just feel more confident if the difference is at least 10 points. When you think at the pace of an NBA game, especially when we're expecting high totals (over 210) what's 10 points?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robomotion:

    REDD : what is your differential from your 0/u  to books 0/u in order to have action ?

    Around 10 points, but if I have let's say my number 188 and the total listed by the bookie is 180 (NBA) I'll take the over at 8 points difference.

    I prefere 10 points but not based on any research or facts, I just feel more confident if the difference is at least 10 points. When you think at the pace of an NBA game, especially when we're expecting high totals (over 210) what's 10 points?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 6:50 PM ET #37

    looking closely at this system..
    Your spread sheet on hockey and soccer is very good,hope it can bring me some cash..Keep up the good work man.
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    looking closely at this system..
    Your spread sheet on hockey and soccer is very good,hope it can bring me some cash..Keep up the good work man.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by calinreddog:

    Projected totals for tonight basketball games are:
     

    NBA

    tor-cle 203

    min-ind 206

    bos-phi 194

    mil-njn 186

    chi-hou 198

    sa-den 203

     

    NCAAB

    purd-ohios 133

    cmich-buf 128

    misst-kenty 151

    rutg-gt 141

    akr-emich 118

    tol-kst 126

    twsn-oldom 131

    hof-gmasn 144

    byu-airfc 139

    iast-kanst 145

    mary-nocar 153

    niowa-brad 136

    socar-fla 160

    marq-dep 146

    wyom-nm 155

    sdst-unlv 141

     

     

    Im just trying to figure out the system.  I did my own calc on all the games.  I got different results than you on the NBA games.  Below is what I did to calculate them...
     
    For the BOS/PHI game:
     
                 Points For      Points Against
    BOS       101.3                  91.4
    PHI         96.4                   95.8
    TOT        197.7                  187.2
     
    off / def = 197.7/187.2 = 1.056
     
    total projected = 197.7 * 1.056 = 208.79 (you have shown above 194)
     
    Another example for the defensive side the Milwuakee New Jersey Game:
     
                 Points For      Points Against
    MIL          98.3                   98.1
    NJN         97.9                   101
    TOT        196.2                  199.1
     
    off / def = 196.2/199.1 = 0.985
     
    total projected = 199.1 * 0.985 = 196.2 (you have shown above 186)
     
    What am I doing wrong? Please help!
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by calinreddog:

    Projected totals for tonight basketball games are:
     

    NBA

    tor-cle 203

    min-ind 206

    bos-phi 194

    mil-njn 186

    chi-hou 198

    sa-den 203

     

    NCAAB

    purd-ohios 133

    cmich-buf 128

    misst-kenty 151

    rutg-gt 141

    akr-emich 118

    tol-kst 126

    twsn-oldom 131

    hof-gmasn 144

    byu-airfc 139

    iast-kanst 145

    mary-nocar 153

    niowa-brad 136

    socar-fla 160

    marq-dep 146

    wyom-nm 155

    sdst-unlv 141

     

     

    Im just trying to figure out the system.  I did my own calc on all the games.  I got different results than you on the NBA games.  Below is what I did to calculate them...
     
    For the BOS/PHI game:
     
                 Points For      Points Against
    BOS       101.3                  91.4
    PHI         96.4                   95.8
    TOT        197.7                  187.2
     
    off / def = 197.7/187.2 = 1.056
     
    total projected = 197.7 * 1.056 = 208.79 (you have shown above 194)
     
    Another example for the defensive side the Milwuakee New Jersey Game:
     
                 Points For      Points Against
    MIL          98.3                   98.1
    NJN         97.9                   101
    TOT        196.2                  199.1
     
    off / def = 196.2/199.1 = 0.985
     
    total projected = 199.1 * 0.985 = 196.2 (you have shown above 186)
     
    What am I doing wrong? Please help!
     
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 7:02 PM ET #39

    redd: thanks...one more quest.  is the diff.same for college?
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    redd: thanks...one more quest.  is the diff.same for college?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 7:30 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by butta01:

    looking closely at this system..
    Your spread sheet on hockey and soccer is very good,hope it can bring me some cash..Keep up the good work man.

    Take care Butta, the spreadsheet is designed mainly to get an idea of the real odds and not to handicap a particular game. If it says 68% chances for over it doesn't mean you should place a lot of $ on that game. It only says that if those 2 teams with their actual goals for and against avg. would play 100 times, 68 times the total would be over.

    So be cautios when using the %

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    Quote Originally Posted by butta01:

    looking closely at this system..
    Your spread sheet on hockey and soccer is very good,hope it can bring me some cash..Keep up the good work man.

    Take care Butta, the spreadsheet is designed mainly to get an idea of the real odds and not to handicap a particular game. If it says 68% chances for over it doesn't mean you should place a lot of $ on that game. It only says that if those 2 teams with their actual goals for and against avg. would play 100 times, 68 times the total would be over.

    So be cautios when using the %

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 7:34 PM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by jhonea999:

    Im just trying to figure out the system.  I did my own calc on all the games.  I got different results than you on the NBA games.  Below is what I did to calculate them...
     
    For the BOS/PHI game:
     
                 Points For      Points Against
    BOS       101.3                  91.4
    PHI         96.4                   95.8
    TOT        197.7                  187.2
     
    off / def = 197.7/187.2 = 1.056
     
    total projected = 197.7 * 1.056 = 208.79 (you have shown above 194)
     
    Another example for the defensive side the Milwuakee New Jersey Game:
     
                 Points For      Points Against
    MIL          98.3                   98.1
    NJN         97.9                   101
    TOT        196.2                  199.1
     
    off / def = 196.2/199.1 = 0.985
     
    total projected = 199.1 * 0.985 = 196.2 (you have shown above 186)
     
    What am I doing wrong? Please help!
     

    You are not doing anything wrong, I changed a little bit the formula in order to improve it. The numbers from yesterday were too far from reality. I am continuing to search new things and to improve the formula. I posted earlier something about the change.

    As you used it, it overates the offensive when 2 teams with sound offensive and sound defensive as well meet. It gives totals hard to believe. I need to improve it to eliminate this error and get more realistic numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhonea999:

    Im just trying to figure out the system.  I did my own calc on all the games.  I got different results than you on the NBA games.  Below is what I did to calculate them...
     
    For the BOS/PHI game:
     
                 Points For      Points Against
    BOS       101.3                  91.4
    PHI         96.4                   95.8
    TOT        197.7                  187.2
     
    off / def = 197.7/187.2 = 1.056
     
    total projected = 197.7 * 1.056 = 208.79 (you have shown above 194)
     
    Another example for the defensive side the Milwuakee New Jersey Game:
     
                 Points For      Points Against
    MIL          98.3                   98.1
    NJN         97.9                   101
    TOT        196.2                  199.1
     
    off / def = 196.2/199.1 = 0.985
     
    total projected = 199.1 * 0.985 = 196.2 (you have shown above 186)
     
    What am I doing wrong? Please help!
     

    You are not doing anything wrong, I changed a little bit the formula in order to improve it. The numbers from yesterday were too far from reality. I am continuing to search new things and to improve the formula. I posted earlier something about the change.

    As you used it, it overates the offensive when 2 teams with sound offensive and sound defensive as well meet. It gives totals hard to believe. I need to improve it to eliminate this error and get more realistic numbers.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 7:38 PM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by robomotion:

    redd: thanks...one more quest.  is the diff.same for college?

    The same.

    Now it depends on the bettor's patience. As an example I am not at all patient and if I have only one play for a night I tend to lower the limit beacuse I like to have more bets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by robomotion:

    redd: thanks...one more quest.  is the diff.same for college?

    The same.

    Now it depends on the bettor's patience. As an example I am not at all patient and if I have only one play for a night I tend to lower the limit beacuse I like to have more bets...

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2009 - 10:07 PM ET #43

    Thanks Calin... so you just manually adjust when it is 2 teams with sound offense/sound defense?  For now I will just follow along with your picks unless there is an adjustment to the formula. 
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    Thanks Calin... so you just manually adjust when it is 2 teams with sound offense/sound defense?  For now I will just follow along with your picks unless there is an adjustment to the formula. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2009 - 1:44 AM ET #44

    Im jw but how are you trying to tweak your formula?  This all seems pretty interesting because I just took a stats class last semester. 

    Im not the best at doing calculations, but maybe a good way to bring more realistic numbers are to compare how the teams performed in the last two games.  For example, since SA played Den tonight, maybe you could also some how include how SA did against GS yday by comparing how yesterday's o/u went
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    Im jw but how are you trying to tweak your formula?  This all seems pretty interesting because I just took a stats class last semester. 

    Im not the best at doing calculations, but maybe a good way to bring more realistic numbers are to compare how the teams performed in the last two games.  For example, since SA played Den tonight, maybe you could also some how include how SA did against GS yday by comparing how yesterday's o/u went
     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2009 - 2:06 AM ET #45

    NBA

    tor-cle over 194

    min-ind under 219

    mil-nj under 195.5

    NCAAB

    misst-kenty over 139.5

    rutg-gt over 130

    hof-gmasn over 128

    byu-airfc over 124.5

    iast-kanst over 134

    sdst-unlv over 129.5

    NBA: 1-2  NCAAB: 2-4

    Overall NBA 11-7 (61.1%) NCAAB 30-17 (63.8%).

    I am tempted to give up but if it's still over 60% since I started I will give it another try tonight.

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    NBA

    tor-cle over 194

    min-ind under 219

    mil-nj under 195.5

    NCAAB

    misst-kenty over 139.5

    rutg-gt over 130

    hof-gmasn over 128

    byu-airfc over 124.5

    iast-kanst over 134

    sdst-unlv over 129.5

    NBA: 1-2  NCAAB: 2-4

    Overall NBA 11-7 (61.1%) NCAAB 30-17 (63.8%).

    I am tempted to give up but if it's still over 60% since I started I will give it another try tonight.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2009 - 2:42 PM ET #46

    NBA picks for tonight:
     

    lal-tor under 213

    nj-was over 191.5

    mia-det over 179

    hou-mem over 195

    atl-min over 199.5

    chi-no over 186

    den-okc under 211

     

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    NBA picks for tonight:
     

    lal-tor under 213

    nj-was over 191.5

    mia-det over 179

    hou-mem over 195

    atl-min over 199.5

    chi-no over 186

    den-okc under 211

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2009 - 3:05 PM ET #47

    REDDOG: any college tonite?
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2009 - 3:09 PM ET #48

    Quote Originally Posted by robomotion:

    REDDOG: any college tonite?

    A little later, at most 3 hours...

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    Quote Originally Posted by robomotion:

    REDDOG: any college tonite?

    A little later, at most 3 hours...

     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2009 - 4:58 PM ET #49

    NCAAB
     

    ne-wmmry over 113.5

    wva-syr under 145

    wfrst-miafl under 147.5

    utah-tcu under 131

    aub-olmis under 142.5

    tlane-uab under 131

    villa-prov under 148.5

    cre-drake under 135

    ten-ark under 156

    mem-smu over 127.5

    duke-clem under 146

          neb-col over 121
     
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    NCAAB
     

    ne-wmmry over 113.5

    wva-syr under 145

    wfrst-miafl under 147.5

    utah-tcu under 131

    aub-olmis under 142.5

    tlane-uab under 131

    villa-prov under 148.5

    cre-drake under 135

    ten-ark under 156

    mem-smu over 127.5

    duke-clem under 146

          neb-col over 121
     
     
     
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    So, what have we done?
    NBA
    lal-tor under 213
    nj-was over 191.5
    mia-det over 179
    hou-mem over 195
    atl-min over 199.5
    chi-no over 186
    den-okc under 211
    NCAAB
    ne-wmmry over 113.5
    wva-syr under 145
    wfrst-miafl under 147.5
    utah-tcu under 131
    aub-olmis under 142.5
    tlane-uab under 131
    villa-prov under 148.5
    cre-drake under 135
    ten-ark under 156
    mem-smu over 127.5
    duke-clem under 146
    neb-col over 121
     
    NBA  4-3 win-loss
    NCAAB  8-4 win-loss.
    Overall record: NBA 15-10 (60%) NCAAB 38-21 (64.4%)
     
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    So, what have we done?
    NBA
    lal-tor under 213
    nj-was over 191.5
    mia-det over 179
    hou-mem over 195
    atl-min over 199.5
    chi-no over 186
    den-okc under 211
    NCAAB
    ne-wmmry over 113.5
    wva-syr under 145
    wfrst-miafl under 147.5
    utah-tcu under 131
    aub-olmis under 142.5
    tlane-uab under 131
    villa-prov under 148.5
    cre-drake under 135
    ten-ark under 156
    mem-smu over 127.5
    duke-clem under 146
    neb-col over 121
     
    NBA  4-3 win-loss
    NCAAB  8-4 win-loss.
    Overall record: NBA 15-10 (60%) NCAAB 38-21 (64.4%)
     
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