This is a very interesting angle, particularly from a self-described "not a basketball guy." I'm curious to watch and see what you find.
Tonight I'm taking Phoenix +7.5 and Chicago +4 (1-1 record so far). I'm playing both of these games strictly based on the line movement, or lack thereof. I'm also watching OKC/LAL. LA would seem to be the play here based on the line movement others have already pointed out, but I just don't know if I can bring myself to put money on them.
Hey Washead, thanks for the interest. It is always encouraging to the novice initiate to see someone else is intrigued. I come from a banking background so looking for efficiency is in-grained.
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Quote Originally Posted by washhead:
This is a very interesting angle, particularly from a self-described "not a basketball guy." I'm curious to watch and see what you find.
Tonight I'm taking Phoenix +7.5 and Chicago +4 (1-1 record so far). I'm playing both of these games strictly based on the line movement, or lack thereof. I'm also watching OKC/LAL. LA would seem to be the play here based on the line movement others have already pointed out, but I just don't know if I can bring myself to put money on them.
Hey Washead, thanks for the interest. It is always encouraging to the novice initiate to see someone else is intrigued. I come from a banking background so looking for efficiency is in-grained.
I like the numbers theory and am not trying to shoot a hole in it but, I think your forgetting offensive rebounds and putbacks. If a team shoots a three they might get the rebound and still score.
Hey Eagle, I don't mind the gunfire. You are totally correct, as a novice basketball observer I had never even thought of those two factors, especially putbacks.I know it is pretty easy to find offensive rebound stats but, what would help me is if you, or anyone else, knows of a website that compiles stats for putbacks on 3 pt attempts or off. rebounds on 3 pt attempts. Thanks.
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Quote Originally Posted by eaglequill:
I like the numbers theory and am not trying to shoot a hole in it but, I think your forgetting offensive rebounds and putbacks. If a team shoots a three they might get the rebound and still score.
Hey Eagle, I don't mind the gunfire. You are totally correct, as a novice basketball observer I had never even thought of those two factors, especially putbacks.I know it is pretty easy to find offensive rebound stats but, what would help me is if you, or anyone else, knows of a website that compiles stats for putbacks on 3 pt attempts or off. rebounds on 3 pt attempts. Thanks.
Like the over because the 2 teams coming with 2 days off and have a better over record when they are rested.
Orlando have 9 consecutive games hitting the over.
The 2 teams will run today at least the first half, don´t know if you guys notice but the Clippers start playing defense in the second half of the games, so i believe this game will be an easy over in the first half.
The Clippers average at home in the first half is 53.9-47 an in the second half 50.7-44.8.
I´m putting 1.1 unit to win 1u.
BOL to all today.
As disappointed as I feel about the way I started the day (probably with 0-2 on NBA and 0-1 in NFL), can't help smiling in satisfaction seeing the great job you guys are doing
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Quote Originally Posted by Heads2134:
This is the first pick for the day..
Over Clippers 1h 99.5
Like the over because the 2 teams coming with 2 days off and have a better over record when they are rested.
Orlando have 9 consecutive games hitting the over.
The 2 teams will run today at least the first half, don´t know if you guys notice but the Clippers start playing defense in the second half of the games, so i believe this game will be an easy over in the first half.
The Clippers average at home in the first half is 53.9-47 an in the second half 50.7-44.8.
I´m putting 1.1 unit to win 1u.
BOL to all today.
As disappointed as I feel about the way I started the day (probably with 0-2 on NBA and 0-1 in NFL), can't help smiling in satisfaction seeing the great job you guys are doing
"OKC -5.5. The league averages for three pointers are 35.5%, 7.2 made,
20.1 attempted. OKC attempts 19.1 a game, below the league average. LAL
attempts 25.1 a game, way above the league average. LAL makes 8.9 a
game, meaning they can hope to accumulate roughly 27 points off 3
pointers tonight (9 X 3). OKC can hope to make 23 points off 3 pointers
(7.6 x 3 = 22.8). That is a 4 point benefit to LAL. Now, look at the
wasted possessions. LAL is going to waste 16 possessions, OKC is going
to waste 11.5 possessions. That is a 4.7 possession advantage for OKC.
OKC hits FG at 47.8%. 4.7 X 47.8% is 2 extra points. So, 4-2 is 2. The
Lakers, if all goes according to plan can only hope to gain 2 points by
lofting up all those 3 pointers? I don't see the value there. It assumes
that the Lakers have to maintain their 35% clip on 3 pointers.
Utah
+4.5. Atlanta makes 8.9 a game (26.7 pts) and Utah makes 6.5 a game
(19.5 pts). This gives Atl a potential 7.2 advantage. Atl gives away
14.7 possessions a game on missed 3 pts. Utah wastes 11.1 possessions.
That is a 3.6 advantage for Utah and they make 44.4% of FG. 3.6 x .444 =
1.59 extra FG made x 2 pts = 3. Atlanta, assuming both teams hit at
their averages is only gaining four points from all their 3 pointers.
And they are giving away -4.5 pts in the spread.
GS -7.5. I would
be most worried about this one based on the big spread. But, in this
case Golden State would actually come out ahead in the calculation. I
won't go through the above calculations again but, GS is actually going
to gain points on Portland despite attempting 3.6 less 3 pointers.
Attempting less, giving away less possessions and still getting more
points, that's what I am looking for"
The above picks are the ones I was looking at yesterday. I am not betting on these at this point, just tracking/observing. I have to say, so far in my basketball betting experience I have watched three games start to finish: Thursdays Kings game, last nights Utah game and the GS game. All three I had an interest in, tailing Mavin on the Kings and watching the latter two for my 3 pt theory. In all three cases the team I was rooting for had at least a 15 point lead late in the 3rd quarter. And I mean late, like 2 minutes to go in the third. And all three had atrocious 4th quarters. Makes me wonder why any b-ball fan watches the first 3 quarters - just tune in for the fourth. Anyway, small sample size, I can't imagine this is always the case, just thought it was a strange coincidence.
As for the games last night, OKC was an easy winner. I feel good about the Utah game. They had a 17 point lead with 2:10 to go in the 3rd quarter. Atlanta made what I can only imagine is a remarkable comeback - for those watching the game, the Atlanta commentators were in shock at their own teams performance. Plus, Atlanta shot 47% from 3 point range. Which is absurd considering their season average is only 37% - that seems like a huge outlier. So, I will chalk that up to a tough loss. When it comes to the GS game, I guess I was right to be worried about the big line. They also collapsed in the fourth but, I saw no other reason than a team at home, with a big lead, slowing down with a win in their pocket. Chalk that up to avoiding big lines (maybe over 6?).
Tonight's games:
I see three more worth paying attention to.
Phi -1. Philly attempts 9 fewer three pointers a game than Houston and they hit at the same percentage. This is very similar to the stats for Houston - Boston last night, which I stayed away from. I won't do the same here. I think this is what I am looking for. Two teams who are equal at doing something that is not overly successful (35%) yet, Philly is wise enough to do it 9 fewer times a game.
Chi -8.5. Similar to last nights GS game, the spread is a little big, so maybe this is the kind of game I will avoid in the future. But, Chicago attempts 5 fewer three pointers a game and they hit them at a higher percentage - this is exactly the formula I was originally looking for when I thought of this. Again, the spread is worrisome but, we are just tracking here.
Memphis -1.5. Memphis attempts 5 fewer three point shots a game then Dallas and they hit at almost the same ratio (Mem 34.8%, Dal 35.1). Again, like the Chicago game, this may be a reach. The reason being, originally I was looking for one team that was above the league average of 20.1 attempts and one that was below. In this case both teams are below the league average. However, the disparity is still five, so I will track this one as well. This game would also be one where I am not sure how to apply situation stuff - being that Memphis won an emotional home overtime game last night.
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"OKC -5.5. The league averages for three pointers are 35.5%, 7.2 made,
20.1 attempted. OKC attempts 19.1 a game, below the league average. LAL
attempts 25.1 a game, way above the league average. LAL makes 8.9 a
game, meaning they can hope to accumulate roughly 27 points off 3
pointers tonight (9 X 3). OKC can hope to make 23 points off 3 pointers
(7.6 x 3 = 22.8). That is a 4 point benefit to LAL. Now, look at the
wasted possessions. LAL is going to waste 16 possessions, OKC is going
to waste 11.5 possessions. That is a 4.7 possession advantage for OKC.
OKC hits FG at 47.8%. 4.7 X 47.8% is 2 extra points. So, 4-2 is 2. The
Lakers, if all goes according to plan can only hope to gain 2 points by
lofting up all those 3 pointers? I don't see the value there. It assumes
that the Lakers have to maintain their 35% clip on 3 pointers.
Utah
+4.5. Atlanta makes 8.9 a game (26.7 pts) and Utah makes 6.5 a game
(19.5 pts). This gives Atl a potential 7.2 advantage. Atl gives away
14.7 possessions a game on missed 3 pts. Utah wastes 11.1 possessions.
That is a 3.6 advantage for Utah and they make 44.4% of FG. 3.6 x .444 =
1.59 extra FG made x 2 pts = 3. Atlanta, assuming both teams hit at
their averages is only gaining four points from all their 3 pointers.
And they are giving away -4.5 pts in the spread.
GS -7.5. I would
be most worried about this one based on the big spread. But, in this
case Golden State would actually come out ahead in the calculation. I
won't go through the above calculations again but, GS is actually going
to gain points on Portland despite attempting 3.6 less 3 pointers.
Attempting less, giving away less possessions and still getting more
points, that's what I am looking for"
The above picks are the ones I was looking at yesterday. I am not betting on these at this point, just tracking/observing. I have to say, so far in my basketball betting experience I have watched three games start to finish: Thursdays Kings game, last nights Utah game and the GS game. All three I had an interest in, tailing Mavin on the Kings and watching the latter two for my 3 pt theory. In all three cases the team I was rooting for had at least a 15 point lead late in the 3rd quarter. And I mean late, like 2 minutes to go in the third. And all three had atrocious 4th quarters. Makes me wonder why any b-ball fan watches the first 3 quarters - just tune in for the fourth. Anyway, small sample size, I can't imagine this is always the case, just thought it was a strange coincidence.
As for the games last night, OKC was an easy winner. I feel good about the Utah game. They had a 17 point lead with 2:10 to go in the 3rd quarter. Atlanta made what I can only imagine is a remarkable comeback - for those watching the game, the Atlanta commentators were in shock at their own teams performance. Plus, Atlanta shot 47% from 3 point range. Which is absurd considering their season average is only 37% - that seems like a huge outlier. So, I will chalk that up to a tough loss. When it comes to the GS game, I guess I was right to be worried about the big line. They also collapsed in the fourth but, I saw no other reason than a team at home, with a big lead, slowing down with a win in their pocket. Chalk that up to avoiding big lines (maybe over 6?).
Tonight's games:
I see three more worth paying attention to.
Phi -1. Philly attempts 9 fewer three pointers a game than Houston and they hit at the same percentage. This is very similar to the stats for Houston - Boston last night, which I stayed away from. I won't do the same here. I think this is what I am looking for. Two teams who are equal at doing something that is not overly successful (35%) yet, Philly is wise enough to do it 9 fewer times a game.
Chi -8.5. Similar to last nights GS game, the spread is a little big, so maybe this is the kind of game I will avoid in the future. But, Chicago attempts 5 fewer three pointers a game and they hit them at a higher percentage - this is exactly the formula I was originally looking for when I thought of this. Again, the spread is worrisome but, we are just tracking here.
Memphis -1.5. Memphis attempts 5 fewer three point shots a game then Dallas and they hit at almost the same ratio (Mem 34.8%, Dal 35.1). Again, like the Chicago game, this may be a reach. The reason being, originally I was looking for one team that was above the league average of 20.1 attempts and one that was below. In this case both teams are below the league average. However, the disparity is still five, so I will track this one as well. This game would also be one where I am not sure how to apply situation stuff - being that Memphis won an emotional home overtime game last night.
The line is now down to 185.5, kind of reminding me yesterday's line movement between Chicago and NYK. Any concerns?
During the 1h last night on the NYK game I was able to grab a nice line and place the bet on the over 186.5 I think the play here might be to play the 2h see how it goes- I am not playing though.
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Quote Originally Posted by Bamster:
The line is now down to 185.5, kind of reminding me yesterday's line movement between Chicago and NYK. Any concerns?
During the 1h last night on the NYK game I was able to grab a nice line and place the bet on the over 186.5 I think the play here might be to play the 2h see how it goes- I am not playing though.
As disappointed as I feel about the way I started the day (probably with 0-2 on NBA and 0-1 in NFL), can't help smiling in satisfaction seeing the great job you guys are doing
Thanks to you Mavin for setting us on the right path!
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Quote Originally Posted by SportsMavin:
As disappointed as I feel about the way I started the day (probably with 0-2 on NBA and 0-1 in NFL), can't help smiling in satisfaction seeing the great job you guys are doing
Thanks to you Mavin for setting us on the right path!
Ok, as disappointing as it is to be down at the very beginning of the evening - there are always two possibilities: to give up on the night and quit for the rest of the day, or get down on the games as if nothing happened and continue capping. you already know what is my choice out of those two. But beforehand I want to remind you that what we have accomplished here is quite odd: we have number of handicappers with great potential that are starting to show their abilities and you all know those who in orderly fashion post their plays with argumentation, recap it and post the daily and overall record in orderly fashion as well on a daily basis. Pay close attention to their picks and get better all the time
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Ok, as disappointing as it is to be down at the very beginning of the evening - there are always two possibilities: to give up on the night and quit for the rest of the day, or get down on the games as if nothing happened and continue capping. you already know what is my choice out of those two. But beforehand I want to remind you that what we have accomplished here is quite odd: we have number of handicappers with great potential that are starting to show their abilities and you all know those who in orderly fashion post their plays with argumentation, recap it and post the daily and overall record in orderly fashion as well on a daily basis. Pay close attention to their picks and get better all the time
John Wall back today, also Nene back and Jordan Crawford out, seems like a lot of changes for the Wizards, i think they will struggle to put points on the board.
The Hawks seems like they came alive yesterday and don´t know why but looks like they play well on the second of b2b games they got a 7-3 record on the second of b2b.
Putting 1.1 unit to win 1
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Atlanta Hawks -2.5
John Wall back today, also Nene back and Jordan Crawford out, seems like a lot of changes for the Wizards, i think they will struggle to put points on the board.
The Hawks seems like they came alive yesterday and don´t know why but looks like they play well on the second of b2b games they got a 7-3 record on the second of b2b.
Paul George being out make a difference? Is play still over? Line at 185 now.
Every player's absence makes difference offensively and defensively. In this case I can't tell. Odds makers have to lower the line automatically. The line has also changed in favor of Charlotte.
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Quote Originally Posted by prodigy808:
Paul George being out make a difference? Is play still over? Line at 185 now.
Every player's absence makes difference offensively and defensively. In this case I can't tell. Odds makers have to lower the line automatically. The line has also changed in favor of Charlotte.
just read on nba.com that bobcats hav lost the 1st quarter by 6 or more points in their last 4 games and 8 out of their last 9!!!that seems quite compelling,im gonna get on it....just thought u mite b interested
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just read on nba.com that bobcats hav lost the 1st quarter by 6 or more points in their last 4 games and 8 out of their last 9!!!that seems quite compelling,im gonna get on it....just thought u mite b interested
The fact Washington is coming to the game on the back of an extended rest while Atlanta have gone through 4 games in 5 days, playing at home and still are considered a minor underdog shows just how crap they have been lately. I expect them to put a stronger show tonight, especially in the second half of the game, but the first movements of the match should be dominated by the Hawks.
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Jan 12, - Bet 03
Atlanta Hawks -1 1Q - $200 to win $370
The fact Washington is coming to the game on the back of an extended rest while Atlanta have gone through 4 games in 5 days, playing at home and still are considered a minor underdog shows just how crap they have been lately. I expect them to put a stronger show tonight, especially in the second half of the game, but the first movements of the match should be dominated by the Hawks.
just read on nba.com that bobcats hav lost the 1st quarter by 6 or more points in their last 4 games and 8 out of their last 9!!!that seems quite compelling,im gonna get on it....just thought u mite b interested
Indy -4 1Q is pretty steep. Their past 1Qs tend to be pretty tight (wins by 1-2pts). Cha has lost like their last 10/12 1Q SU though. GL
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Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:
just read on nba.com that bobcats hav lost the 1st quarter by 6 or more points in their last 4 games and 8 out of their last 9!!!that seems quite compelling,im gonna get on it....just thought u mite b interested
Indy -4 1Q is pretty steep. Their past 1Qs tend to be pretty tight (wins by 1-2pts). Cha has lost like their last 10/12 1Q SU though. GL
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