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    DogbiteWilliams
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2021 - 1:10 PM ET #51

    From Comment #40

    not DIV and D and week=1  and line<7 and season>2006

    The ATS margin is only -1.14.  Considering the depressing fact that queries tend to regress and degrade over time, such a narrow margin provides me with very little confidence.  Spottie2935, if you are able to profit from queries with such a small edge I salute you.

    Thank you for all of your time, effort and creative thinking to come up with potentially winning queries.  Good luck this season and all the years to come.

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    From Comment #40

    not DIV and D and week=1  and line<7 and season>2006

    The ATS margin is only -1.14.  Considering the depressing fact that queries tend to regress and degrade over time, such a narrow margin provides me with very little confidence.  Spottie2935, if you are able to profit from queries with such a small edge I salute you.

    Thank you for all of your time, effort and creative thinking to come up with potentially winning queries.  Good luck this season and all the years to come.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2021 - 1:20 PM ET #52

    With all do I think the point he's saying is it's only 40.8% peace_5 and it's only 28.2% SU

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    With all do I think the point he's saying is it's only 40.8% peace_5 and it's only 28.2% SU

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2021 - 1:47 PM ET #53

    The query for winning all 6 games in division the previous season is this.....tpS(W@DIV, N=6)=6.

    The NFL went to 4 teams in a division with 8 divisions I think in 2002, so some of those teams before 2002 had more than 6 divisional games.

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6)=6 and HF, HD, AF, AD and DIV and season>2002

     

    You'll see that those teams have been 17-8 ATS as away dogs the next season in divisional games, and 51-64 ATS the next season as favorites in division......the Saints and the Bills were undefeated in division last season and the Jets went 0-6.

     

    Teams that went an imperfect 0-6 are actually historically a good play in division the next season.

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) =0 and AD, HD, AF, HF and season > 2002 and playoffs=0 and DIV

    As:

    Home favorites 16-10 ATS

    Away favorites 9-3 ATS

    Home dogs      34-26 ATS

    Away dogs      43-30 ATS

     

    Altogether 106-71-3, 59.9% in divisional games the next season.....I think the Jets will be vastly improved this season and a cash cow against the spread.

    Out of division though these teams have only been 133-157 ATS, 45.9%

    Jets in their futures line in week 2 is a 3.5 point home dog to the Patriots.

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    The query for winning all 6 games in division the previous season is this.....tpS(W@DIV, N=6)=6.

    The NFL went to 4 teams in a division with 8 divisions I think in 2002, so some of those teams before 2002 had more than 6 divisional games.

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6)=6 and HF, HD, AF, AD and DIV and season>2002

     

    You'll see that those teams have been 17-8 ATS as away dogs the next season in divisional games, and 51-64 ATS the next season as favorites in division......the Saints and the Bills were undefeated in division last season and the Jets went 0-6.

     

    Teams that went an imperfect 0-6 are actually historically a good play in division the next season.

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) =0 and AD, HD, AF, HF and season > 2002 and playoffs=0 and DIV

    As:

    Home favorites 16-10 ATS

    Away favorites 9-3 ATS

    Home dogs      34-26 ATS

    Away dogs      43-30 ATS

     

    Altogether 106-71-3, 59.9% in divisional games the next season.....I think the Jets will be vastly improved this season and a cash cow against the spread.

    Out of division though these teams have only been 133-157 ATS, 45.9%

    Jets in their futures line in week 2 is a 3.5 point home dog to the Patriots.

     
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    @DogbiteWilliams

     I understand your point but the fact that they are dog in division games.  These game are generally tight games, thats why it works.

     

    I was basically looking for current division games, after a previous division game, or next up is a division game.  also using PRSW because I try to stay away from teams that had wins <4 the previous season or teams greater  than  13 wins. those teams are always favorites or dogs. 

     

    Potential look ahead or exhaustion lack of motivation teams or games.

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    @DogbiteWilliams

     I understand your point but the fact that they are dog in division games.  These game are generally tight games, thats why it works.

     

    I was basically looking for current division games, after a previous division game, or next up is a division game.  also using PRSW because I try to stay away from teams that had wins <4 the previous season or teams greater  than  13 wins. those teams are always favorites or dogs. 

     

    Potential look ahead or exhaustion lack of motivation teams or games.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2021 - 2:18 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999:

    The query for winning all 6 games in division the previous season is this.....tpS(W@DIV, N=6)=6. The NFL went to 4 teams in a division with 8 divisions I think in 2002, so some of those teams before 2002 had more than 6 divisional games. tpS(W@DIV, N=6)=6 and HF, HD, AF, AD and DIV and season>2002   You'll see that those teams have been 17-8 ATS as away dogs the next season in divisional games, and 51-64 ATS the next season as favorites in division......the Saints and the Bills were undefeated in division last season and the Jets went 0-6.   Teams that went an imperfect 0-6 are actually historically a good play in division the next season. tpS(W@DIV, N=6) =0 and AD, HD, AF, HF and season > 2002 and playoffs=0 and DIV As: Home favorites 16-10 ATS Away favorites 9-3 ATS Home dogs      34-26 ATS Away dogs      43-30 ATS   Altogether 106-71-3, 59.9% in divisional games the next season.....I think the Jets will be vastly improved this season and a cash cow against the spread. Out of division though these teams have only been 133-157 ATS, 45.9% Jets in their futures line in week 2 is a 3.5 point home dog to the Patriots.

     

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) =0 and AD, HD, AF, HF and season > 2002 and playoffs=0 and DIV and line <7

    Using the above and using a line of<=6

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) = 0 and AD and season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and DIV and line <=6 and line>=0

    AD returns 21-8 ATS

    =-=-=--=-=-=

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) = 0 and D and season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and DIV and line <=6 and line>=0

    any dog returns 60% 

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) = 0 and D and season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and DIV and line <=6 and line>=0

    any dog since 2009 returns close to 70%

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) = 0 and D and season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and DIV and line <=6 and line>=0 and season>2009.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999:

    The query for winning all 6 games in division the previous season is this.....tpS(W@DIV, N=6)=6. The NFL went to 4 teams in a division with 8 divisions I think in 2002, so some of those teams before 2002 had more than 6 divisional games. tpS(W@DIV, N=6)=6 and HF, HD, AF, AD and DIV and season>2002   You'll see that those teams have been 17-8 ATS as away dogs the next season in divisional games, and 51-64 ATS the next season as favorites in division......the Saints and the Bills were undefeated in division last season and the Jets went 0-6.   Teams that went an imperfect 0-6 are actually historically a good play in division the next season. tpS(W@DIV, N=6) =0 and AD, HD, AF, HF and season > 2002 and playoffs=0 and DIV As: Home favorites 16-10 ATS Away favorites 9-3 ATS Home dogs      34-26 ATS Away dogs      43-30 ATS   Altogether 106-71-3, 59.9% in divisional games the next season.....I think the Jets will be vastly improved this season and a cash cow against the spread. Out of division though these teams have only been 133-157 ATS, 45.9% Jets in their futures line in week 2 is a 3.5 point home dog to the Patriots.

     

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) =0 and AD, HD, AF, HF and season > 2002 and playoffs=0 and DIV and line <7

    Using the above and using a line of<=6

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) = 0 and AD and season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and DIV and line <=6 and line>=0

    AD returns 21-8 ATS

    =-=-=--=-=-=

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) = 0 and D and season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and DIV and line <=6 and line>=0

    any dog returns 60% 

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) = 0 and D and season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and DIV and line <=6 and line>=0

    any dog since 2009 returns close to 70%

    tpS(W@DIV, N=6) = 0 and D and season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and DIV and line <=6 and line>=0 and season>2009.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2021 - 2:24 PM ET #56

    @DogbiteWilliams

     I’m not a favorite bettor but season over season this does make money.  


    I was more looking for games or teams to eliminate.  

    thanks for the comment.peace_5

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    @DogbiteWilliams

     I’m not a favorite bettor but season over season this does make money.  


    I was more looking for games or teams to eliminate.  

    thanks for the comment.peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2021 - 2:26 PM ET #57

    Here's some interesting research.

    Teams that went 5-1 or 6-0 straight up in divisional games the season prior this past season were the Saints, Bills, Titans and Packers.

    How do those teams perform in September?

    As dogs they've been 56-34 ATS, 62.2%, and if we subtract their 13-13 ATS mark as dogs in week one this moves to 43-21 ATS.  They have been 32-16 ATS out of division as dogs and 11-5 ATS in division.

    As favorites they've only been 123-144 ATS in September about 46%.

    season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and tpS(W@DIV, N=6)>4 and month=9 and AF, AD, HF, HD and week

     

     

    Teams that won 1 or 0 divisional games last season, how do they do in September?.....Jets, Lions, Falcons, Broncos, Jaguars, Bengals.

    As:

    Divisional home dogs.......25-14 ATS

    non-divisional home dogs.......20-31 ATS, including 5-9 ATS week 1....Lions, Bengals

    non-divisional away dogs........51-37 ATS......15-14 ATS week 1....Jets

    divisional away dogs......34-25 ATS

    divisional away favorites.....0-5 ATS....Jaguars

    non-divisional away favorites.....11-7, 8-3 ATS first two weeks....Broncos

     

     

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    Here's some interesting research.

    Teams that went 5-1 or 6-0 straight up in divisional games the season prior this past season were the Saints, Bills, Titans and Packers.

    How do those teams perform in September?

    As dogs they've been 56-34 ATS, 62.2%, and if we subtract their 13-13 ATS mark as dogs in week one this moves to 43-21 ATS.  They have been 32-16 ATS out of division as dogs and 11-5 ATS in division.

    As favorites they've only been 123-144 ATS in September about 46%.

    season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and tpS(W@DIV, N=6)>4 and month=9 and AF, AD, HF, HD and week

     

     

    Teams that won 1 or 0 divisional games last season, how do they do in September?.....Jets, Lions, Falcons, Broncos, Jaguars, Bengals.

    As:

    Divisional home dogs.......25-14 ATS

    non-divisional home dogs.......20-31 ATS, including 5-9 ATS week 1....Lions, Bengals

    non-divisional away dogs........51-37 ATS......15-14 ATS week 1....Jets

    divisional away dogs......34-25 ATS

    divisional away favorites.....0-5 ATS....Jaguars

    non-divisional away favorites.....11-7, 8-3 ATS first two weeks....Broncos

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2021 - 2:33 PM ET #58

    Looks like you're onto something Spot with your dogs of less than 6 in September games congrats!!

    Away dogs <6, 38-16 ATS in September.

    Home divisional dogs<6, 20-11 ATS in September.

    Home non-divisional dogs<6 in September 12-23 ATS.

     

    The best part of this seems to be to take a team that won 0, 1 or 2 divisional games in September that are away dogs of less than 6 points.

     

    85-42 ATS

     

    Texans, Eagles, Cowboys, Cardinals, Bears, Panthers, Lions, Jaguars, Falcons, Broncos, Bengals, Jets .............as away dogs of <6 in September

     

     

    Keep up the good work buddy.

     

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    Looks like you're onto something Spot with your dogs of less than 6 in September games congrats!!

    Away dogs <6, 38-16 ATS in September.

    Home divisional dogs<6, 20-11 ATS in September.

    Home non-divisional dogs<6 in September 12-23 ATS.

     

    The best part of this seems to be to take a team that won 0, 1 or 2 divisional games in September that are away dogs of less than 6 points.

     

    85-42 ATS

     

    Texans, Eagles, Cowboys, Cardinals, Bears, Panthers, Lions, Jaguars, Falcons, Broncos, Bengals, Jets .............as away dogs of <6 in September

     

     

    Keep up the good work buddy.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2021 - 2:42 PM ET #59

    Home dogs of less than 6 in divisional games in September that won 0, 1, or 2 games in division the prior season have been 36-21 ATS.

    Home dogs of less than 6 in non-divisional games in September that won 0, 1 or 2 games in division last season have been 32-38  ATS

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    Home dogs of less than 6 in divisional games in September that won 0, 1, or 2 games in division the prior season have been 36-21 ATS.

    Home dogs of less than 6 in non-divisional games in September that won 0, 1 or 2 games in division last season have been 32-38  ATS

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2021 - 2:45 PM ET #60

    Indigo whats the query. I get lost at time

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    Indigo whats the query. I get lost at time

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2021 - 2:47 PM ET #61

    season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and tpS(W@DIV, N=6) and month = 9 and AD and line< 6

     

    season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and tpS(W@DIV, N=6)<3 and month = 9 and AD and line< 6

     

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    season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and tpS(W@DIV, N=6) and month = 9 and AD and line< 6

     

    season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and tpS(W@DIV, N=6)<3 and month = 9 and AD and line< 6

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2021 - 3:06 PM ET #62

    Using futures lines....obviously if the lines shift hits +6 or above it becomes a no-play

    Week 1.....AGAINST  Jaguars

    ON......Jets, Cards

     

    Week 2   ON......Jets, Dolphins, Bengals, Panthers, Cowboys

    AGAINST Jags

     

    Week 3 ON......Falcons, Bengals, Jets

    AGAINST Jaguars

     

    Week 4  ON Jaguars

     

    Teams that won <3 games in division previous season and are home favorites of less than 6 have been 46-81 ATS in September in the first three weeks of the season.

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    Using futures lines....obviously if the lines shift hits +6 or above it becomes a no-play

    Week 1.....AGAINST  Jaguars

    ON......Jets, Cards

     

    Week 2   ON......Jets, Dolphins, Bengals, Panthers, Cowboys

    AGAINST Jags

     

    Week 3 ON......Falcons, Bengals, Jets

    AGAINST Jaguars

     

    Week 4  ON Jaguars

     

    Teams that won <3 games in division previous season and are home favorites of less than 6 have been 46-81 ATS in September in the first three weeks of the season.

     
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    Playing against teams that won <3 games in divisional games last season as home favorites of less than -6....45-81 ATS

     

    Week 1...... Versus Panthers, Falcons

    Week 2.......Versus Bears, Cardinals, Broncos

    Week 3.......Versus Bengals

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    Playing against teams that won <3 games in divisional games last season as home favorites of less than -6....45-81 ATS

     

    Week 1...... Versus Panthers, Falcons

    Week 2.......Versus Bears, Cardinals, Broncos

    Week 3.......Versus Bengals

     
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    season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and tpS(W@DIV, N=6)<3 and month = 9 and AD and line<=6

     

    One can include <=6 the line of 6 is 10-6 ats.  heads up on that.

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    season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and tpS(W@DIV, N=6)<3 and month = 9 and AD and line<=6

     

    One can include <=6 the line of 6 is 10-6 ats.  heads up on that.

     
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    season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and tpS(W@DIV, N=6)<3 and week<8 and AD and line<=6 and o:PRSW<13 and o:PRSW>4 and week

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    season > 2002 and playoffs = 0 and tpS(W@DIV, N=6)<3 and week<8 and AD and line<=6 and o:PRSW<13 and o:PRSW>4 and week

     
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    @hoody

     I am missing what you are saying hoody.

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     I am missing what you are saying hoody.

     
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    HD and line>=6 and rest>10 and ats streak>-2

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    HD and line>=6 and rest>10 and ats streak>-2

     
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    NFL: After week 1.  172-56= 75.4% ATS

    AD and n:F and on:D and o:wins < 9 and o:rest < 7 and day != Thursday and p:D and PRSW < 12 and o:PRSW < 12 and season > 1991 and p:day != Thursday and p:day!= Monday

     

     

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    NFL: After week 1.  172-56= 75.4% ATS

    AD and n:F and on:D and o:wins < 9 and o:rest < 7 and day != Thursday and p:D and PRSW < 12 and o:PRSW < 12 and season > 1991 and p:day != Thursday and p:day!= Monday

     

     

     
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    This is for game numbers 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 in the NFL

    Play against a home favorite of less than 4.5 points off an away loss.

    110-177 ATS, 38.3%,.......2-15 ATS on Monday Night Football, 1-20 ATS the last two seasons.

     

    p:AL and HF and line>-4.5 and game number<7 and day and snf

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    This is for game numbers 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 in the NFL

    Play against a home favorite of less than 4.5 points off an away loss.

    110-177 ATS, 38.3%,.......2-15 ATS on Monday Night Football, 1-20 ATS the last two seasons.

     

    p:AL and HF and line>-4.5 and game number<7 and day and snf

     
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    Criteria for our play ON team:

    1)  Lost their first two games

    2)  Won their third game

    3)  Are now away dogs of less than 5.

    Week number 4....18-1 ATS

    Week number 5.....1-3-1 ATS

     

    ppp:L and pp:L and p:W and AD and game number=4 and line<5 and week

     

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    Criteria for our play ON team:

    1)  Lost their first two games

    2)  Won their third game

    3)  Are now away dogs of less than 5.

    Week number 4....18-1 ATS

    Week number 5.....1-3-1 ATS

     

    ppp:L and pp:L and p:W and AD and game number=4 and line<5 and week

     

     
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    NCAAFB: 

    Looking at Conference games as dogs, since 1996,  and next game is also a conference game in which our dog team will be a favorite next week.  These dogs must not have won 12 games last season, because if they are a good team to win 12 and a dog then they are playing an unbeatable team like Alabama, Clemson or Ohio State ect.

    1636-1274 =56.2% ATS

    CD and n:CF and week<16 and PRSW<12 and season>1996

    Since it is difficult to predict the close game lines I omitted next week lines less than -7( we are assuming lines for the next week, so to make it easy to predict these games)

    CD and n:CF and week<16 and PRSW<12 and season>1996 and n:line<=-7

     

    876-627 =58.3% ATS

     

    Big seasons averages 8 games per week for 15 weeks  , about 120 plays

    Smaller seasons about half that at 60 plays per season or an average of 4 plays a week.  Based this off the <=-7 line query so if you take all plays in the first query it would be close to double:  16 and 8 games per week.  to many for me, but very fun.

     

     

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    NCAAFB: 

    Looking at Conference games as dogs, since 1996,  and next game is also a conference game in which our dog team will be a favorite next week.  These dogs must not have won 12 games last season, because if they are a good team to win 12 and a dog then they are playing an unbeatable team like Alabama, Clemson or Ohio State ect.

    1636-1274 =56.2% ATS

    CD and n:CF and week<16 and PRSW<12 and season>1996

    Since it is difficult to predict the close game lines I omitted next week lines less than -7( we are assuming lines for the next week, so to make it easy to predict these games)

    CD and n:CF and week<16 and PRSW<12 and season>1996 and n:line<=-7

     

    876-627 =58.3% ATS

     

    Big seasons averages 8 games per week for 15 weeks  , about 120 plays

    Smaller seasons about half that at 60 plays per season or an average of 4 plays a week.  Based this off the <=-7 line query so if you take all plays in the first query it would be close to double:  16 and 8 games per week.  to many for me, but very fun.

     

     

     
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    In college ball if I or anyone could average 54 to 60%, playing 4 or more games per week, I would take that all day long.

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    In college ball if I or anyone could average 54 to 60%, playing 4 or more games per week, I would take that all day long.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2021 - 3:04 PM ET #73

    Lastly when looking at the next week lines, one doesn't have to be so accurate with a cushion of <-7 points over time if you miss a play or 2 it should continue to trend as shown.

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    Lastly when looking at the next week lines, one doesn't have to be so accurate with a cushion of <-7 points over time if you miss a play or 2 it should continue to trend as shown.

     
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    I forgot one more parameter only division 1A games for both teams

     

    CD and n:CF and week < 16 and PRSW < 12 and season > 1996  and division = 1A and o:division = 1A

    1554-1197 =56.5%  ATS

    and

    CD and n:CF and week < 16 and PRSW < 12 and season > 1996 and division = 1A and o:division = 1A and n:line<=-7

    834-581 =58.9%  ATS

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    I forgot one more parameter only division 1A games for both teams

     

    CD and n:CF and week < 16 and PRSW < 12 and season > 1996  and division = 1A and o:division = 1A

    1554-1197 =56.5%  ATS

    and

    CD and n:CF and week < 16 and PRSW < 12 and season > 1996 and division = 1A and o:division = 1A and n:line<=-7

    834-581 =58.9%  ATS

     
     
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    Yep, you aren't going to get a line change of over 7 points from the estimated line to the actual line unless it is after game 1, and teams never play two conference games in a row, games 1 and 2.

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    Yep, you aren't going to get a line change of over 7 points from the estimated line to the actual line unless it is after game 1, and teams never play two conference games in a row, games 1 and 2.

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