can someone PLEASE explain the system to me??? Because I am trying to get on the money train with roggs
Bet 1st half under 1 unit. If you win, you stop betting. If you lose, you place 2 units on 2nd half Under. Look for key numbers for the lines as Roggs mentioned before.
Amazing so far, thanks for the system boss
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Quote Originally Posted by jpaisley2:
can someone PLEASE explain the system to me??? Because I am trying to get on the money train with roggs
Bet 1st half under 1 unit. If you win, you stop betting. If you lose, you place 2 units on 2nd half Under. Look for key numbers for the lines as Roggs mentioned before.
QUOTE Originally Posted by ChiefKeef: 3-0 on the day. Very impressive. What's the record for this 2018 bowl season? Keep up the good work As of right now +3.5 units following 1.1 / 2.2 system. 8 of 17 games win first half
OK, you're losing money on the first half, as I believe happened last year. Just play the second halfs after a first-half over, much simpler, plus it will stop people from freaking out about losing three-plus units on a game.
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Quote Originally Posted by HarryKnutsak:
QUOTE Originally Posted by ChiefKeef: 3-0 on the day. Very impressive. What's the record for this 2018 bowl season? Keep up the good work As of right now +3.5 units following 1.1 / 2.2 system. 8 of 17 games win first half
OK, you're losing money on the first half, as I believe happened last year. Just play the second halfs after a first-half over, much simpler, plus it will stop people from freaking out about losing three-plus units on a game.
I dont know if you have kept records from last year I am going to from this year on how many of these games that are under in the first half and you win and stop actually the second half goes over. I know if the first half goes over we play the second half double bet and it is doing very well. So after the first half wins I have placed just the opposite for the second its kind of doing the same thing and it has worked out. Just curious if you have noticed this from last year since you must keep pretty good records. I just want to say thanks again I always like to learn new ways to bet that make money.I would like to hear your feedback if you have.
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I dont know if you have kept records from last year I am going to from this year on how many of these games that are under in the first half and you win and stop actually the second half goes over. I know if the first half goes over we play the second half double bet and it is doing very well. So after the first half wins I have placed just the opposite for the second its kind of doing the same thing and it has worked out. Just curious if you have noticed this from last year since you must keep pretty good records. I just want to say thanks again I always like to learn new ways to bet that make money.I would like to hear your feedback if you have.
- Waiting on BC to see if we can get to 23 by a miracle could careless if it goes down to 22 or 21...
- FSU is at 24.5 +100 I do not see this line moving much higher... could lock this in shorty
Some points/comments... I have not tracked the first half under/second half over thing - but there are times I will do it if I like what I am seeing with a fast pace and high yards per play in the first half when it goes under
I have seen the muliple posts about people saying just wait for 2nd halfs... if that makes certain individuals stress less that have money management problems totally understad... I will say this - you are using a short sample size this year regarding that principal... I do not have exact numbers but I can say this - the deeper it gets into bowls season - the longer the layoffs since teams final game... Remember also a lot of these kids go home for couple days around holidays and leave therir programs... This system exists to hopefully capitalize on this... lets see how it plays out
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Couple of things...
I have locked in
- zona/purdue under 34
- Mizzou Under 31
- Waiting on BC to see if we can get to 23 by a miracle could careless if it goes down to 22 or 21...
- FSU is at 24.5 +100 I do not see this line moving much higher... could lock this in shorty
Some points/comments... I have not tracked the first half under/second half over thing - but there are times I will do it if I like what I am seeing with a fast pace and high yards per play in the first half when it goes under
I have seen the muliple posts about people saying just wait for 2nd halfs... if that makes certain individuals stress less that have money management problems totally understad... I will say this - you are using a short sample size this year regarding that principal... I do not have exact numbers but I can say this - the deeper it gets into bowls season - the longer the layoffs since teams final game... Remember also a lot of these kids go home for couple days around holidays and leave therir programs... This system exists to hopefully capitalize on this... lets see how it plays out
guys quick comment on the zona under... I had a ton of my places at 33.5 in that game... was able to get 34 thought... if you only have one site and its 33.5 - go back a couple pages ago and read why you should wait... your better off waiting for 34 and risking it go to 31... patient games not for a while
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guys quick comment on the zona under... I had a ton of my places at 33.5 in that game... was able to get 34 thought... if you only have one site and its 33.5 - go back a couple pages ago and read why you should wait... your better off waiting for 34 and risking it go to 31... patient games not for a while
A quick little tip also, if the under is at a -105 or even it has a good likelihood of going up opposed to dropping because it's showing that money is going toward the over.
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A quick little tip also, if the under is at a -105 or even it has a good likelihood of going up opposed to dropping because it's showing that money is going toward the over.
guys quick comment on the zona under... I had a ton of my places at 33.5 in that game... was able to get 34 thought... if you only have one site and its 33.5 - go back a couple pages ago and read why you should wait... your better off waiting for 34 and risking it go to 31... patient games not for a while
My line FSU game 1h 25.5 now can I bet big now lol
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Quote Originally Posted by Roggs05:
guys quick comment on the zona under... I had a ton of my places at 33.5 in that game... was able to get 34 thought... if you only have one site and its 33.5 - go back a couple pages ago and read why you should wait... your better off waiting for 34 and risking it go to 31... patient games not for a while
My line FSU game 1h 25.5 now can I bet big now lol
Guys have some errands to run... do not see the fsu game going any higher...
Final for day
FSU under 25.5
ASLO locking in virginia/navy under 27 tomorrow .... that game has moved to 26.5 in some spots...
Not sure what happened with that navy line but literally mins after this post it dropped like flies... suspensions? injuries? anyways i am sure the trolls will think this line was made up...
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Quote Originally Posted by Roggs05:
Guys have some errands to run... do not see the fsu game going any higher...
Final for day
FSU under 25.5
ASLO locking in virginia/navy under 27 tomorrow .... that game has moved to 26.5 in some spots...
Not sure what happened with that navy line but literally mins after this post it dropped like flies... suspensions? injuries? anyways i am sure the trolls will think this line was made up...
i really wanted to wait on this game as I do not think the public has put their 2 sense in yet with their over tickets... they pounded okie st overs all year but - vandyman - 31.5 is too key and the game total is dropping a little... i could regret this lock by tomorrow
waiting on tcu just because the game total has risen a bit today
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Locked
Okie State/Va tech 31.5... under
i really wanted to wait on this game as I do not think the public has put their 2 sense in yet with their over tickets... they pounded okie st overs all year but - vandyman - 31.5 is too key and the game total is dropping a little... i could regret this lock by tomorrow
waiting on tcu just because the game total has risen a bit today
hmm. i didn't lock in AZ/purdue at 34 last night. My book has it at 33 now. FSU line is at 25.5. I thought 25.5 wasn't a key number? Thank you for this thread btw!
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hmm. i didn't lock in AZ/purdue at 34 last night. My book has it at 33 now. FSU line is at 25.5. I thought 25.5 wasn't a key number? Thank you for this thread btw!
Wish I had stumbled across this thread earlier, as in like last year. I saw it for the first time yesterday. Took under 30.5 on the UCLA game at the local book. Winner Winner. Will tail the rest of the season.
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Wish I had stumbled across this thread earlier, as in like last year. I saw it for the first time yesterday. Took under 30.5 on the UCLA game at the local book. Winner Winner. Will tail the rest of the season.
I have seen the muliple posts about people saying just wait for 2nd halfs... if that makes certain individuals stress less that have money management problems totally understad... I will say this - you are using a short sample size this year regarding that principal... I do not have exact numbers but I can say this - the deeper it gets into bowls season - the longer the layoffs since teams final game... Remember also a lot of these kids go home for couple days around holidays and leave therir programs... This system exists to hopefully capitalize on this... lets see how it plays out
I've been the author of several of those posts. I like the theory of this system, which stands to reason, but I think in practice you'd do better not playing the 1H. I don't have a database, but I've seen people state that the 1H plays have been 50-50 or worse, at least in the last couple of years, which means you'd risk less and win more by tracking the first half only, then betting on the 2H under after the first half goes over.
I don't have money management problems; I'm not playing the system at all. I'm only trying to help with the collective thinking. At least half the time, you guys are risking 3.3 units to win 0.9 unit. If you're doing better with 2H unders than 1H, that's where your focus should be.
I mean, you guys are on a roll after a rough first day, and you have won 3 units total after risking, what, 38 units? If you'd played nine second halfs and won seven of them, you'd be up 5 units (or 10 units if you made 2-unit bets).
All of this is predicated on us knowing that the 2H unders after an over do better than 1H unders do...and I don't actually know whether that's true over all the years you've been watching the system and then playing it.
As always, good luck today and every day with it.
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Quote Originally Posted by Roggs05:
I have seen the muliple posts about people saying just wait for 2nd halfs... if that makes certain individuals stress less that have money management problems totally understad... I will say this - you are using a short sample size this year regarding that principal... I do not have exact numbers but I can say this - the deeper it gets into bowls season - the longer the layoffs since teams final game... Remember also a lot of these kids go home for couple days around holidays and leave therir programs... This system exists to hopefully capitalize on this... lets see how it plays out
I've been the author of several of those posts. I like the theory of this system, which stands to reason, but I think in practice you'd do better not playing the 1H. I don't have a database, but I've seen people state that the 1H plays have been 50-50 or worse, at least in the last couple of years, which means you'd risk less and win more by tracking the first half only, then betting on the 2H under after the first half goes over.
I don't have money management problems; I'm not playing the system at all. I'm only trying to help with the collective thinking. At least half the time, you guys are risking 3.3 units to win 0.9 unit. If you're doing better with 2H unders than 1H, that's where your focus should be.
I mean, you guys are on a roll after a rough first day, and you have won 3 units total after risking, what, 38 units? If you'd played nine second halfs and won seven of them, you'd be up 5 units (or 10 units if you made 2-unit bets).
All of this is predicated on us knowing that the 2H unders after an over do better than 1H unders do...and I don't actually know whether that's true over all the years you've been watching the system and then playing it.
What’s the point of all these posts about just playing the second half etc. It’s simple, this thread is about the system where you play the first half and then double up on the second half if the first half loses. If somebody wants to just bet second halves or whatever then that’s just a different play it has nothing to do with this system so I don’t think it’s necessary for people to keep going on about their ideas.
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What’s the point of all these posts about just playing the second half etc. It’s simple, this thread is about the system where you play the first half and then double up on the second half if the first half loses. If somebody wants to just bet second halves or whatever then that’s just a different play it has nothing to do with this system so I don’t think it’s necessary for people to keep going on about their ideas.
What’s the point of all these posts about just playing the second half etc. It’s simple, this thread is about the system where you play the first half and then double up on the second half if the first half loses. If somebody wants to just bet second halves or whatever then that’s just a different play it has nothing to do with this system so I don’t think it’s necessary for people to keep going on about their ideas.
It's to help people win more and lose less, and stress less.
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Quote Originally Posted by Snowcrete:
What’s the point of all these posts about just playing the second half etc. It’s simple, this thread is about the system where you play the first half and then double up on the second half if the first half loses. If somebody wants to just bet second halves or whatever then that’s just a different play it has nothing to do with this system so I don’t think it’s necessary for people to keep going on about their ideas.
It's to help people win more and lose less, and stress less.
17 Bowls played coming into today. 1H Unders are 8-8-1 (note in first 7 games it was 2-5, it has picked up steam though going 6-3-1 in last 10 and 4-1 in last 5).
Of the 8 games that lost the 1H Under, the 2H Unders are 6-2. One of those losses was MTSU/Ark St, some people got the 1H line at 31.5 (it dropped to 30.5, some may have got it at 31) which was a winner as it landed 31. The other loss in the 2H was the Army/SDSU game, which was a 2H Under 24.5 and it was sitting at 21 pts with under a minute left Army with a 3rd and 17 or something with no timeouts and they converted and then got the TD, the 2 pt conversion, and finally a pick 6.
But going with Roggs listed lines the math works out to.
1H 8 wins x 1.0 units - 1H 8 losses x 1.1 Units = -0.8 units (1 push = refund)
2H (6 wins x 2.0 units) - 2H (2 losses x 2.2 Units) = + 7.6 units
Total: + 6.8 units
That is assuming you bet all of them and kept good money management and also assuming you didn't try and get juice back on 1H losses. Check the math but I believe that is pretty accurate.
Also if someone has all the 2H lines (even the ones not played with the system) I can look at the some general trends there.
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Here is a quick run down:
17 Bowls played coming into today. 1H Unders are 8-8-1 (note in first 7 games it was 2-5, it has picked up steam though going 6-3-1 in last 10 and 4-1 in last 5).
Of the 8 games that lost the 1H Under, the 2H Unders are 6-2. One of those losses was MTSU/Ark St, some people got the 1H line at 31.5 (it dropped to 30.5, some may have got it at 31) which was a winner as it landed 31. The other loss in the 2H was the Army/SDSU game, which was a 2H Under 24.5 and it was sitting at 21 pts with under a minute left Army with a 3rd and 17 or something with no timeouts and they converted and then got the TD, the 2 pt conversion, and finally a pick 6.
But going with Roggs listed lines the math works out to.
1H 8 wins x 1.0 units - 1H 8 losses x 1.1 Units = -0.8 units (1 push = refund)
2H (6 wins x 2.0 units) - 2H (2 losses x 2.2 Units) = + 7.6 units
Total: + 6.8 units
That is assuming you bet all of them and kept good money management and also assuming you didn't try and get juice back on 1H losses. Check the math but I believe that is pretty accurate.
Also if someone has all the 2H lines (even the ones not played with the system) I can look at the some general trends there.
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