I normally do not do write ups, preferring to listen and stay out of emotional online fights and hard statements that create emotional betting which is a killer for numbers. However, this is a matchup I would like to hear the regular's opinion on because looking at it the numbers are there for Ohio St. I briefly went into this months ago after the first lines came out but had not done any research, simply looking at the recent history, recruiting, coaching ( https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=33&sub=101888210 ).
Ohio St is favored at -19 at the moment. To me the biggest disadvantages to the Ohio St are
1 - Navy is an option team. That's no throwing and a lot clock ticking, making a shorter game.
2 - It's at a neutral location, not a home game for OSU
3 - There isn't an established QB behind Braxton Miller, when he gets pulled will the offense keep running?
I am not too worried about the Buckeye defense here. For all the Phil Steele junkies, he has the D-Line as #1 in the country, Linebackers at #20, Defensive backs #42. D-Line and Linebackers are crucial here because of the run. The offense is excellent across the board (with the exception of depth behind Miller). Without exception the matchups are not even close to being equal. This spread will come down to the defense stopping navy and not letting them score. Urban Meyer has shown that he is willing to blow the sh*t out of opponents and run the score up as well.
I think that takes care of #1 problem. For #2, I am more worried about road games as the season progresses and players are tired of traveling. For week 1 there is excitement and players are ready to finally play in front of fans and get wins instead of just practicing. Plus, this is at a neutral location and 400 miles from Colombus,Ohio fans will travel well. Yes, Navy is closer but this is not really a home game for them either. The environment will be tougher for them.
For #3 there isn't a very good answer. redshirt sophomore Cardale Jones will probably be backup and he doesn't have a ton of experience but made it to OSU. If/when the score gets run up I think the gamble will be - will Meyer keep his foot on the gas? and will there offense continue to function well without Braxton Miller?
I think yes, but am leery at -19. Frankly, it could simply be because it was a -14 and then looks DELICIOUS now. 5 points now seems like a huge hurdle and is getting in my head. F*ckin hindsight. Nevertheless, I still believe this holds tremendous value on the board.
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I normally do not do write ups, preferring to listen and stay out of emotional online fights and hard statements that create emotional betting which is a killer for numbers. However, this is a matchup I would like to hear the regular's opinion on because looking at it the numbers are there for Ohio St. I briefly went into this months ago after the first lines came out but had not done any research, simply looking at the recent history, recruiting, coaching ( https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=33&sub=101888210 ).
Ohio St is favored at -19 at the moment. To me the biggest disadvantages to the Ohio St are
1 - Navy is an option team. That's no throwing and a lot clock ticking, making a shorter game.
2 - It's at a neutral location, not a home game for OSU
3 - There isn't an established QB behind Braxton Miller, when he gets pulled will the offense keep running?
I am not too worried about the Buckeye defense here. For all the Phil Steele junkies, he has the D-Line as #1 in the country, Linebackers at #20, Defensive backs #42. D-Line and Linebackers are crucial here because of the run. The offense is excellent across the board (with the exception of depth behind Miller). Without exception the matchups are not even close to being equal. This spread will come down to the defense stopping navy and not letting them score. Urban Meyer has shown that he is willing to blow the sh*t out of opponents and run the score up as well.
I think that takes care of #1 problem. For #2, I am more worried about road games as the season progresses and players are tired of traveling. For week 1 there is excitement and players are ready to finally play in front of fans and get wins instead of just practicing. Plus, this is at a neutral location and 400 miles from Colombus,Ohio fans will travel well. Yes, Navy is closer but this is not really a home game for them either. The environment will be tougher for them.
For #3 there isn't a very good answer. redshirt sophomore Cardale Jones will probably be backup and he doesn't have a ton of experience but made it to OSU. If/when the score gets run up I think the gamble will be - will Meyer keep his foot on the gas? and will there offense continue to function well without Braxton Miller?
I think yes, but am leery at -19. Frankly, it could simply be because it was a -14 and then looks DELICIOUS now. 5 points now seems like a huge hurdle and is getting in my head. F*ckin hindsight. Nevertheless, I still believe this holds tremendous value on the board.
I think that once this line becomes available for betting , the Buckeye faithful will pound this line up to - 21 + If that happens, if I were to wager on this game ( and I will not ) I would favor Navy. I would be concerned about OSU in a road opener.
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I think that once this line becomes available for betting , the Buckeye faithful will pound this line up to - 21 + If that happens, if I were to wager on this game ( and I will not ) I would favor Navy. I would be concerned about OSU in a road opener.
If you go back to Phil Steele's team logs , you will notice that in '09 OSU played Navy at home, favored by 22. OSU won 31 - 27. Yes, I know that was 5 years ago and OSU is a much improved team........ but so is Navy. The problem I see is that will OSU compete like they are playing for a National championship , Week 1 on the road. I'm not sure. I am looking for opportunities that will provide an edge in week 1 and I think better opportunities will surface once bettable lines are posted toward the end of July.
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If you go back to Phil Steele's team logs , you will notice that in '09 OSU played Navy at home, favored by 22. OSU won 31 - 27. Yes, I know that was 5 years ago and OSU is a much improved team........ but so is Navy. The problem I see is that will OSU compete like they are playing for a National championship , Week 1 on the road. I'm not sure. I am looking for opportunities that will provide an edge in week 1 and I think better opportunities will surface once bettable lines are posted toward the end of July.
True, navy is improved and I recall 09 but can't ignore the defensive line and offensive matchups. But like you, I'm not pulling the trigger until I see better juice and more importantly the rest of the lines.
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True, navy is improved and I recall 09 but can't ignore the defensive line and offensive matchups. But like you, I'm not pulling the trigger until I see better juice and more importantly the rest of the lines.
I agree Wise...It's hard to believe that such a supposedly highly regard team such as tOSU would only be a 14-21 point favorite against an otherwise marginal team like Navy in game 1. The talent differential is 30+ points with a person like Meyer who has a history of running up the score. If this were a midseason game (without consideration of polls MOV etc for a BCS C-Game or Playoff) then it would be hard to back tOSU. I think tOSU will cover (agreed up to -21), but from my perspective, there are many options in week 1 that have more value than tOSU. In addition, I almost never bet for or against the service academies. Those guys play hard for 60 minutes, even if they are getting dominated by a much better team...
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I agree Wise...It's hard to believe that such a supposedly highly regard team such as tOSU would only be a 14-21 point favorite against an otherwise marginal team like Navy in game 1. The talent differential is 30+ points with a person like Meyer who has a history of running up the score. If this were a midseason game (without consideration of polls MOV etc for a BCS C-Game or Playoff) then it would be hard to back tOSU. I think tOSU will cover (agreed up to -21), but from my perspective, there are many options in week 1 that have more value than tOSU. In addition, I almost never bet for or against the service academies. Those guys play hard for 60 minutes, even if they are getting dominated by a much better team...
LH, If I'm Urban , and I'm preparing my team for a National Championship playoff spot , and I have the cupcake schedule that OSU does, my primary concern is to have as many of my starters healthy for the game with MSU as possible when they play on 11/8.I personally would consider pulling starters and sacrificing meaningless points vs lesser teams to keep my key players healthy. Something to think about.
LH
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LH, If I'm Urban , and I'm preparing my team for a National Championship playoff spot , and I have the cupcake schedule that OSU does, my primary concern is to have as many of my starters healthy for the game with MSU as possible when they play on 11/8.I personally would consider pulling starters and sacrificing meaningless points vs lesser teams to keep my key players healthy. Something to think about.
I don't see anyway for Navy to slow down the Ohio St offense. If you think Navy is going to score some points, take the over.
Playing Navy the first game of the year is a huge bonus for Ohio St because they can prepare for the option all summer. ND destroyed Navy in a similar spot.
This is a big game for Ohio St recruiting in the region, I think Urban takes it serious.
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I don't see anyway for Navy to slow down the Ohio St offense. If you think Navy is going to score some points, take the over.
Playing Navy the first game of the year is a huge bonus for Ohio St because they can prepare for the option all summer. ND destroyed Navy in a similar spot.
This is a big game for Ohio St recruiting in the region, I think Urban takes it serious.
my early take would be a small lean towards Navy, Option offense, 1st game of the year, pretty big home game next week....dont really see a whole lot of value here
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my early take would be a small lean towards Navy, Option offense, 1st game of the year, pretty big home game next week....dont really see a whole lot of value here
Ohio State was large favorite over Buffalo in Week 1 last year and failed to cover. They are replacing many starters so there may be a slow start, and Braxton is always 1 hit away from the bench. Don't know too much about backup QB's right now, but as I learn more I will update.
One advantage the Buckeyes do have is that they have had all summer to prepare for the triple option, a luxury that Navy's opponents rarely get during the regular season
As for the line, It will probably go to 21+ as WISEGUY36 said..... Navy still has Keenan Reynolds who is arguably the 2nd best player on the field so I wouldn't count them out. If this gets up to 21.5+ on game day I may take Navy.
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Ohio State was large favorite over Buffalo in Week 1 last year and failed to cover. They are replacing many starters so there may be a slow start, and Braxton is always 1 hit away from the bench. Don't know too much about backup QB's right now, but as I learn more I will update.
One advantage the Buckeyes do have is that they have had all summer to prepare for the triple option, a luxury that Navy's opponents rarely get during the regular season
As for the line, It will probably go to 21+ as WISEGUY36 said..... Navy still has Keenan Reynolds who is arguably the 2nd best player on the field so I wouldn't count them out. If this gets up to 21.5+ on game day I may take Navy.
I agree with Thorpe...if this were a midseason game, then Navy would potentially be the play...but, when you have a top 5 Heisman candidate QB, 3-4 Top 10 recruiting classes with a significant athletic advantage at almost , a summer to prepare for the TO, and you play for a pr^ck coach in Urban Meyer who has a history of running up the score if he can, how could anyone take Navy in this matchup...Ohio St -14 would be a gift...but, I am not so sure Navy would be the play at +21....Train makes a good point, there is a respectable Va Tech team on deck for tOSU...As you can see, this is not one of my targeted matchups...though I have pondered it...36 days till kickoff!
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I agree with Thorpe...if this were a midseason game, then Navy would potentially be the play...but, when you have a top 5 Heisman candidate QB, 3-4 Top 10 recruiting classes with a significant athletic advantage at almost , a summer to prepare for the TO, and you play for a pr^ck coach in Urban Meyer who has a history of running up the score if he can, how could anyone take Navy in this matchup...Ohio St -14 would be a gift...but, I am not so sure Navy would be the play at +21....Train makes a good point, there is a respectable Va Tech team on deck for tOSU...As you can see, this is not one of my targeted matchups...though I have pondered it...36 days till kickoff!
I agree with Thorpe...if this were a midseason game, then Navy would potentially be the play...but, when you have a top 5 Heisman candidate QB, 3-4 Top 10 recruiting classes with a significant athletic advantage at almost , a summer to prepare for the TO, and you play for a pr^ck coach in Urban Meyer who has a history of running up the score if he can, how could anyone take Navy in this matchup...Ohio St -14 would be a gift...but, I am not so sure Navy would be the play at +21....Train makes a good point, there is a respectable Va Tech team on deck for tOSU...As you can see, this is not one of my targeted matchups...though I have pondered it...36 days till kickoff!
Only 36 days!!!! How long have I been drunk???
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Quote Originally Posted by LonghornHoosier:
I agree with Thorpe...if this were a midseason game, then Navy would potentially be the play...but, when you have a top 5 Heisman candidate QB, 3-4 Top 10 recruiting classes with a significant athletic advantage at almost , a summer to prepare for the TO, and you play for a pr^ck coach in Urban Meyer who has a history of running up the score if he can, how could anyone take Navy in this matchup...Ohio St -14 would be a gift...but, I am not so sure Navy would be the play at +21....Train makes a good point, there is a respectable Va Tech team on deck for tOSU...As you can see, this is not one of my targeted matchups...though I have pondered it...36 days till kickoff!
I actually like Navy to keep it close. Like someone said, this line will get bumped to 21+. Navy's QB is the real deal. I'm sure most everyone here knows about him but just saying.
OSU won't spend A TON of prep on Navy imo. I would imagine as a coach they are focusing primarily on week 2 against VA Tech.
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I actually like Navy to keep it close. Like someone said, this line will get bumped to 21+. Navy's QB is the real deal. I'm sure most everyone here knows about him but just saying.
OSU won't spend A TON of prep on Navy imo. I would imagine as a coach they are focusing primarily on week 2 against VA Tech.
I wouldn't be surprised if its a one possession game in the 4th quarter. Ohio State has played with fire quite a bite the last 2 years against inferior teams.
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I wouldn't be surprised if its a one possession game in the 4th quarter. Ohio State has played with fire quite a bite the last 2 years against inferior teams.
Fade the (arguably) best road dog ever?....with one of their better teams / QB ?.............why? *same guys said the same thing last year vs Indiana....HOW in the hell will they slow them down?.....they have no shot!
Looking at their past history....it appears NDame has them figured out every once in awhile and that's about it *many of these star DL / LB looking at NFL contracts don't like Navy OL going at their knees ....and can't really prepare for it in practice
The problem with a Navy play? *no HC takes these non-conf games more seriously than Urban.....36-8 ATS give or take...so even with Va Tech on deck a Buckeye no show here is unlikely
I would put put this line at 17 or so...with a slight lean to Navy. IMO it's more likely they keep it close than getting blown out
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Ohio State vs Navy - easiest line out there?
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Fade the (arguably) best road dog ever?....with one of their better teams / QB ?.............why? *same guys said the same thing last year vs Indiana....HOW in the hell will they slow them down?.....they have no shot!
Looking at their past history....it appears NDame has them figured out every once in awhile and that's about it *many of these star DL / LB looking at NFL contracts don't like Navy OL going at their knees ....and can't really prepare for it in practice
The problem with a Navy play? *no HC takes these non-conf games more seriously than Urban.....36-8 ATS give or take...so even with Va Tech on deck a Buckeye no show here is unlikely
I would put put this line at 17 or so...with a slight lean to Navy. IMO it's more likely they keep it close than getting blown out
I normally do not do write ups, preferring to listen and stay out of emotional online fights and hard statements that create emotional betting which is a killer for numbers. However, this is a matchup I would like to hear the regular's opinion on because looking at it the numbers are there for Ohio St. I briefly went into this months ago after the first lines came out but had not done any research, simply looking at the recent history, recruiting, coaching ( https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=33&sub=101888210 ).
Ohio St is favored at -19 at the moment. To me the biggest disadvantages to the Ohio St are
1 - Navy is an option team. That's no throwing and a lot clock ticking, making a shorter game.
2 - It's at a neutral location, not a home game for OSU
3 - There isn't an established QB behind Braxton Miller, when he gets pulled will the offense keep running?
I am not too worried about the Buckeye defense here. For all the Phil Steele junkies, he has the D-Line as #1 in the country, Linebackers at #20, Defensive backs #42. D-Line and Linebackers are crucial here because of the run. The offense is excellent across the board (with the exception of depth behind Miller). Without exception the matchups are not even close to being equal. This spread will come down to the defense stopping navy and not letting them score. Urban Meyer has shown that he is willing to blow the sh*t out of opponents and run the score up as well.
I think that takes care of #1 problem. For #2, I am more worried about road games as the season progresses and players are tired of traveling. For week 1 there is excitement and players are ready to finally play in front of fans and get wins instead of just practicing. Plus, this is at a neutral location and 400 miles from Colombus,Ohio fans will travel well. Yes, Navy is closer but this is not really a home game for them either. The environment will be tougher for them.
For #3 there isn't a very good answer. redshirt sophomore Cardale Jones will probably be backup and he doesn't have a ton of experience but made it to OSU. If/when the score gets run up I think the gamble will be - will Meyer keep his foot on the gas? and will there offense continue to function well without Braxton Miller?
I think yes, but am leery at -19. Frankly, it could simply be because it was a -14 and then looks DELICIOUS now. 5 points now seems like a huge hurdle and is getting in my head. F*ckin hindsight. Nevertheless, I still believe this holds tremendous value on the board.
I'm sorry but If you see red flags on both sides, are leery of the 19 and now have to ask for other peoples opinions,
How is this the best value on the board? How is there ANY value?
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Quote Originally Posted by jmyane:
I normally do not do write ups, preferring to listen and stay out of emotional online fights and hard statements that create emotional betting which is a killer for numbers. However, this is a matchup I would like to hear the regular's opinion on because looking at it the numbers are there for Ohio St. I briefly went into this months ago after the first lines came out but had not done any research, simply looking at the recent history, recruiting, coaching ( https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=33&sub=101888210 ).
Ohio St is favored at -19 at the moment. To me the biggest disadvantages to the Ohio St are
1 - Navy is an option team. That's no throwing and a lot clock ticking, making a shorter game.
2 - It's at a neutral location, not a home game for OSU
3 - There isn't an established QB behind Braxton Miller, when he gets pulled will the offense keep running?
I am not too worried about the Buckeye defense here. For all the Phil Steele junkies, he has the D-Line as #1 in the country, Linebackers at #20, Defensive backs #42. D-Line and Linebackers are crucial here because of the run. The offense is excellent across the board (with the exception of depth behind Miller). Without exception the matchups are not even close to being equal. This spread will come down to the defense stopping navy and not letting them score. Urban Meyer has shown that he is willing to blow the sh*t out of opponents and run the score up as well.
I think that takes care of #1 problem. For #2, I am more worried about road games as the season progresses and players are tired of traveling. For week 1 there is excitement and players are ready to finally play in front of fans and get wins instead of just practicing. Plus, this is at a neutral location and 400 miles from Colombus,Ohio fans will travel well. Yes, Navy is closer but this is not really a home game for them either. The environment will be tougher for them.
For #3 there isn't a very good answer. redshirt sophomore Cardale Jones will probably be backup and he doesn't have a ton of experience but made it to OSU. If/when the score gets run up I think the gamble will be - will Meyer keep his foot on the gas? and will there offense continue to function well without Braxton Miller?
I think yes, but am leery at -19. Frankly, it could simply be because it was a -14 and then looks DELICIOUS now. 5 points now seems like a huge hurdle and is getting in my head. F*ckin hindsight. Nevertheless, I still believe this holds tremendous value on the board.
I'm sorry but If you see red flags on both sides, are leery of the 19 and now have to ask for other peoples opinions,
How is this the best value on the board? How is there ANY value?
Entropy - because the line went up by 6 points and I didn't know if this was just a psychological impact or if the rest of the forum we're getting red flags from the new line as well
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Entropy - because the line went up by 6 points and I didn't know if this was just a psychological impact or if the rest of the forum we're getting red flags from the new line as well
Like Navy at 21+ here for sure. Doubt either team will stop scoring and Navys offense is very slow and methodical. Call me crazy but I wouldnt be surprised if Navy wins straight up on some crazy shyt. That triple O is serious. Interesting to see Steele has their Dline #1 tho. I'll need to do more research but if the game was tomorrow I'd be on Navy to cover
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Like Navy at 21+ here for sure. Doubt either team will stop scoring and Navys offense is very slow and methodical. Call me crazy but I wouldnt be surprised if Navy wins straight up on some crazy shyt. That triple O is serious. Interesting to see Steele has their Dline #1 tho. I'll need to do more research but if the game was tomorrow I'd be on Navy to cover
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