forgot.....nice breakdown jmyane........... *very un-Covers like....presenting BOTH sides...(not just OSU is gonna killem')
kinda looks like a 45-25 type game to me.....Navy get's behind early / turns the ball over (like vs NDame).... they could get murdered sure
Note Urban is also tough with rest (more than a week to prepare)........includes opening games *about 30-9 ATS !!...there are 3 of these early > Navy...Cinn...and Rutgers .....
in fact ....if you just blindly bet the Buckeyes the 1st 4 weeks I would be shocked if you didn't come out ahead
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forgot.....nice breakdown jmyane........... *very un-Covers like....presenting BOTH sides...(not just OSU is gonna killem')
kinda looks like a 45-25 type game to me.....Navy get's behind early / turns the ball over (like vs NDame).... they could get murdered sure
Note Urban is also tough with rest (more than a week to prepare)........includes opening games *about 30-9 ATS !!...there are 3 of these early > Navy...Cinn...and Rutgers .....
in fact ....if you just blindly bet the Buckeyes the 1st 4 weeks I would be shocked if you didn't come out ahead
I absolutely love the navy play here. You guys mention how urban will take this game seriously but fail to mention this is navy's Super Bowl. Read up. Navy has been focused on this game since jan 1st. This game means everything to them and they will play to win.
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I absolutely love the navy play here. You guys mention how urban will take this game seriously but fail to mention this is navy's Super Bowl. Read up. Navy has been focused on this game since jan 1st. This game means everything to them and they will play to win.
I normally do not do write ups, preferring to listen and stay out of emotional online fights and hard statements that create emotional betting which is a killer for numbers. However, this is a matchup I would like to hear the regular's opinion on because looking at it the numbers are there for Ohio St. I briefly went into this months ago after the first lines came out but had not done any research, simply looking at the recent history, recruiting, coaching ( https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=33&sub=101888210 ).
Ohio St is favored at -19 at the moment. To me the biggest disadvantages to the Ohio St are
1 - Navy is an option team. That's no throwing and a lot clock ticking, making a shorter game.
2 - It's at a neutral location, not a home game for OSU
3 - There isn't an established QB behind Braxton Miller, when he gets pulled will the offense keep running?
I am not too worried about the Buckeye defense here. For all the Phil Steele junkies, he has the D-Line as #1 in the country, Linebackers at #20, Defensive backs #42. D-Line and Linebackers are crucial here because of the run. The offense is excellent across the board (with the exception of depth behind Miller). Without exception the matchups are not even close to being equal. This spread will come down to the defense stopping navy and not letting them score. Urban Meyer has shown that he is willing to blow the sh*t out of opponents and run the score up as well.
I think that takes care of #1 problem. For #2, I am more worried about road games as the season progresses and players are tired of traveling. For week 1 there is excitement and players are ready to finally play in front of fans and get wins instead of just practicing. Plus, this is at a neutral location and 400 miles from Colombus,Ohio fans will travel well. Yes, Navy is closer but this is not really a home game for them either. The environment will be tougher for them.
For #3 there isn't a very good answer. redshirt sophomore Cardale Jones will probably be backup and he doesn't have a ton of experience but made it to OSU. If/when the score gets run up I think the gamble will be - will Meyer keep his foot on the gas? and will there offense continue to function well without Braxton Miller?
I think yes, but am leery at -19. Frankly, it could simply be because it was a -14 and then looks DELICIOUS now. 5 points now seems like a huge hurdle and is getting in my head. F*ckin hindsight. Nevertheless, I still believe this holds tremendous value on the board.
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Quote Originally Posted by jmyane:
I normally do not do write ups, preferring to listen and stay out of emotional online fights and hard statements that create emotional betting which is a killer for numbers. However, this is a matchup I would like to hear the regular's opinion on because looking at it the numbers are there for Ohio St. I briefly went into this months ago after the first lines came out but had not done any research, simply looking at the recent history, recruiting, coaching ( https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=33&sub=101888210 ).
Ohio St is favored at -19 at the moment. To me the biggest disadvantages to the Ohio St are
1 - Navy is an option team. That's no throwing and a lot clock ticking, making a shorter game.
2 - It's at a neutral location, not a home game for OSU
3 - There isn't an established QB behind Braxton Miller, when he gets pulled will the offense keep running?
I am not too worried about the Buckeye defense here. For all the Phil Steele junkies, he has the D-Line as #1 in the country, Linebackers at #20, Defensive backs #42. D-Line and Linebackers are crucial here because of the run. The offense is excellent across the board (with the exception of depth behind Miller). Without exception the matchups are not even close to being equal. This spread will come down to the defense stopping navy and not letting them score. Urban Meyer has shown that he is willing to blow the sh*t out of opponents and run the score up as well.
I think that takes care of #1 problem. For #2, I am more worried about road games as the season progresses and players are tired of traveling. For week 1 there is excitement and players are ready to finally play in front of fans and get wins instead of just practicing. Plus, this is at a neutral location and 400 miles from Colombus,Ohio fans will travel well. Yes, Navy is closer but this is not really a home game for them either. The environment will be tougher for them.
For #3 there isn't a very good answer. redshirt sophomore Cardale Jones will probably be backup and he doesn't have a ton of experience but made it to OSU. If/when the score gets run up I think the gamble will be - will Meyer keep his foot on the gas? and will there offense continue to function well without Braxton Miller?
I think yes, but am leery at -19. Frankly, it could simply be because it was a -14 and then looks DELICIOUS now. 5 points now seems like a huge hurdle and is getting in my head. F*ckin hindsight. Nevertheless, I still believe this holds tremendous value on the board.
Miller aint 100%. Meyer will play ultra vanilla to protect him and usher in replacements for last years leading rusher & receiver. D alos loses top 2 tacklers from last year and must face a very unorthodox style. Sure, theyve had plenty of time to prepare, which usually helps vs the triple option....however, week 1 is a little different beast. Timing & position are key (true vs every team, but vs Navy its paramount) and thats something that will take Ohio St time to get.
Very intersting matchup.
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Miller aint 100%. Meyer will play ultra vanilla to protect him and usher in replacements for last years leading rusher & receiver. D alos loses top 2 tacklers from last year and must face a very unorthodox style. Sure, theyve had plenty of time to prepare, which usually helps vs the triple option....however, week 1 is a little different beast. Timing & position are key (true vs every team, but vs Navy its paramount) and thats something that will take Ohio St time to get.
Hello boys!! Good to see you all back on the NCAA threads.....Look forward to all the hubbub!!! Ya'll know I'm a pathetic Irish fan and live in South Bend. I see Navy every year and one thing I know about those little young men......they play hard and run a tough little offensive scheme to shut down. Every year they rank in the top 10 of the country in rushing and most of the time in the top 3 or 4!!!! OSU had defensive troubles last year. I think this would be a good over angle here. Navy always gets some points on the board. And they are usually the best Academy team every year. Don't sell thos Middies short. They can certainly make the big boys sweat out wins!!! Just one knucklehead's opinion who sees it almost every year up close and personal as an Irish fan!!
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Hello boys!! Good to see you all back on the NCAA threads.....Look forward to all the hubbub!!! Ya'll know I'm a pathetic Irish fan and live in South Bend. I see Navy every year and one thing I know about those little young men......they play hard and run a tough little offensive scheme to shut down. Every year they rank in the top 10 of the country in rushing and most of the time in the top 3 or 4!!!! OSU had defensive troubles last year. I think this would be a good over angle here. Navy always gets some points on the board. And they are usually the best Academy team every year. Don't sell thos Middies short. They can certainly make the big boys sweat out wins!!! Just one knucklehead's opinion who sees it almost every year up close and personal as an Irish fan!!
Funny seeing everybody talking bout Ohio State's front 7. This is a defense that got tore up last year.
Agree, I am very unimpressed with Ohio St. Thought they looked horrible against Clemson in the Orange Bowl and blah blah blah with all that crap about being unmotivated for that game.
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Quote Originally Posted by trawler:
Funny seeing everybody talking bout Ohio State's front 7. This is a defense that got tore up last year.
Agree, I am very unimpressed with Ohio St. Thought they looked horrible against Clemson in the Orange Bowl and blah blah blah with all that crap about being unmotivated for that game.
Agree, I am very unimpressed with Ohio St. Thought they looked horrible against Clemson in the Orange Bowl and blah blah blah with all that crap about being unmotivated for that game.
Oh, so the 2013 Buckeyes are playing this season?
Great insight
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Quote Originally Posted by ECU:
Agree, I am very unimpressed with Ohio St. Thought they looked horrible against Clemson in the Orange Bowl and blah blah blah with all that crap about being unmotivated for that game.
No they certainly aren't. But not many realize how bad they where. Can they be much improved? Sure. But they aren't proven yet.
Agree, their D was awful. The 3-year span (the past 3) have been the worst EVER at OSU. The offense kept this team alive....the past couple years.
Given Braxton STILL isn't 100% (yes, with 17 days until the opener) I wouldn't touch this game. 2nd/3rd string QB's have been getting reps with the 1st team, and I think that's a sign for the first 2-3 games of the season.
They'll be delicate with Brax's playing time, and since he's "Mr. Glass" during his tenure at OSU, they won't let him do much running with that recovering shoulder.
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Quote Originally Posted by mrquija27:
No they certainly aren't. But not many realize how bad they where. Can they be much improved? Sure. But they aren't proven yet.
Agree, their D was awful. The 3-year span (the past 3) have been the worst EVER at OSU. The offense kept this team alive....the past couple years.
Given Braxton STILL isn't 100% (yes, with 17 days until the opener) I wouldn't touch this game. 2nd/3rd string QB's have been getting reps with the 1st team, and I think that's a sign for the first 2-3 games of the season.
They'll be delicate with Brax's playing time, and since he's "Mr. Glass" during his tenure at OSU, they won't let him do much running with that recovering shoulder.
Ohio State was large favorite over Buffalo in Week 1 last year and failed to cover. They are replacing many starters so there may be a slow start, and Braxton is always 1 hit away from the bench. Don't know too much about backup QB's right now, but as I learn more I will update.
One advantage the Buckeyes do have is that they have had all summer to prepare for the triple option, a luxury that Navy's opponents rarely get during the regular season
As for the line, It will probably go to 21+ as WISEGUY36 said..... Navy still has Keenan Reynolds who is arguably the 2nd best player on the field so I wouldn't count them out. If this gets up to 21.5+ on game day I may take Navy.
This is what I was about to post. It's a good thing to take into consideration
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Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:
Ohio State was large favorite over Buffalo in Week 1 last year and failed to cover. They are replacing many starters so there may be a slow start, and Braxton is always 1 hit away from the bench. Don't know too much about backup QB's right now, but as I learn more I will update.
One advantage the Buckeyes do have is that they have had all summer to prepare for the triple option, a luxury that Navy's opponents rarely get during the regular season
As for the line, It will probably go to 21+ as WISEGUY36 said..... Navy still has Keenan Reynolds who is arguably the 2nd best player on the field so I wouldn't count them out. If this gets up to 21.5+ on game day I may take Navy.
This is what I was about to post. It's a good thing to take into consideration
I've found Navy one of the most difficult teams to cap.Their coach is outstanding.....a NO play for me.Will the Navy team show up that had Spurrier-Scar on the ropes or the team that can't cover versus a Sun Belt team?Same with the Buckeyes...I only play Ohio St against good teams.
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I've found Navy one of the most difficult teams to cap.Their coach is outstanding.....a NO play for me.Will the Navy team show up that had Spurrier-Scar on the ropes or the team that can't cover versus a Sun Belt team?Same with the Buckeyes...I only play Ohio St against good teams.
Navy with all 5 starters returning to the O-line, running the option against a fairly disinterested Ohio St team that never seems to open the season with a cover... would be concerned about that if I were laying the points!
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Navy with all 5 starters returning to the O-line, running the option against a fairly disinterested Ohio St team that never seems to open the season with a cover... would be concerned about that if I were laying the points!
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Good to see you all back on the NCAA threads.....Look forward to all the hubbub!!! Ya'll know I'm a pathetic Irish fan and live in South Bend. I see Navy every year and one thing I know about those little young men......they play hard and run a tough little offensive scheme to shut down. Every year they rank in the top 10 of the country in rushing and most of the time in the top 3 or 4!!!! OSU had defensive troubles last year. I think this would be a good over angle here. Navy always gets some points on the board. And they are usually the best Academy team every year. Don't sell thos Middies short. They can certainly make the big boys sweat out wins!!! Just one knucklehead's opinion who sees it almost every year up close and personal as an Irish fan!! 
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