If you're going to call them the Power 5, then all the conferences have to be held to similar standards. Any team that goes unbeaten in a power conference has to get in over any teams with losses. If that's not the case, the the conference that the unbeaten team represents needs to be demoted to WAC status. There have to be some objective standards in the process or else we're back to a form of what we had pre-BCS. Condi Rice has just taken the place of the AP and Coaches polls.
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If you're going to call them the Power 5, then all the conferences have to be held to similar standards. Any team that goes unbeaten in a power conference has to get in over any teams with losses. If that's not the case, the the conference that the unbeaten team represents needs to be demoted to WAC status. There have to be some objective standards in the process or else we're back to a form of what we had pre-BCS. Condi Rice has just taken the place of the AP and Coaches polls.
Last year is last year, period, it has nothing to do with rankings this year
I personally think they are doing a great job, I'm a huge Oregon & Baylor fan but TCU is better than Baylor, I watched that game, their schedule out of conference is also better having beat Minnesota while Baylor was beating Northwestern St. Trust me when I tell you that I wish Baylor was ahead of them but I don't show bias when I rank them, I agree with the committee
My list is this
TCU Bama Miss St Oregon
Baylor Florida St Auburn Arizona St Kansas St Ole Miss
I change weekly just as the schedules unfold but that is what I see on the field & I would bet TCU vs any of them on a neutral field tomorrow (that can change due to injury, eye test, etc)
I think the discussion is good for college football but to argue like kids over it is ridiculous, I'm not going to do that
My opinion (we are all entitled to one)
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I disagree with FSU being the "champs"
Last year is last year, period, it has nothing to do with rankings this year
I personally think they are doing a great job, I'm a huge Oregon & Baylor fan but TCU is better than Baylor, I watched that game, their schedule out of conference is also better having beat Minnesota while Baylor was beating Northwestern St. Trust me when I tell you that I wish Baylor was ahead of them but I don't show bias when I rank them, I agree with the committee
My list is this
TCU Bama Miss St Oregon
Baylor Florida St Auburn Arizona St Kansas St Ole Miss
I change weekly just as the schedules unfold but that is what I see on the field & I would bet TCU vs any of them on a neutral field tomorrow (that can change due to injury, eye test, etc)
I think the discussion is good for college football but to argue like kids over it is ridiculous, I'm not going to do that
I am not saying that the lost players are an auto reason to think they are worse this year or that they should be penalized for it or even that they can't win it all this year without them. I am just giving a contra to the argument you are making on why the standing look the way they are.
Oregon only has two cellar dwellars to play on their remaining schedule while FSU has two decent teams in Florida and Miami to play. If they win out it will be interesting to see if the tables turn afterward to where you want it to be
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I am not saying that the lost players are an auto reason to think they are worse this year or that they should be penalized for it or even that they can't win it all this year without them. I am just giving a contra to the argument you are making on why the standing look the way they are.
Oregon only has two cellar dwellars to play on their remaining schedule while FSU has two decent teams in Florida and Miami to play. If they win out it will be interesting to see if the tables turn afterward to where you want it to be
Last year is last year, period, it has nothing to do with rankings this year
I personally think they are doing a great job, I'm a huge Oregon & Baylor fan but TCU is better than Baylor, I watched that game, their schedule out of conference is also better having beat Minnesota while Baylor was beating Northwestern St. Trust me when I tell you that I wish Baylor was ahead of them but I don't show bias when I rank them, I agree with the committee
My list is this
TCU Bama Miss St Oregon
Baylor Florida St Auburn Arizona St Kansas St Ole Miss
I change weekly just as the schedules unfold but that is what I see on the field & I would bet TCU vs any of them on a neutral field tomorrow (that can change due to injury, eye test, etc)
I think the discussion is good for college football but to argue like kids over it is ridiculous, I'm not going to do that
My opinion (we are all entitled to one)
wahoo... we go way back
You got your opinion and I have mine...just agree to disagree
But if we don't use the head vs head as the final factor in deciding games..then the whole d@mn system is flawed... Period
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Quote Originally Posted by WahooS:
I disagree with FSU being the "champs"
Last year is last year, period, it has nothing to do with rankings this year
I personally think they are doing a great job, I'm a huge Oregon & Baylor fan but TCU is better than Baylor, I watched that game, their schedule out of conference is also better having beat Minnesota while Baylor was beating Northwestern St. Trust me when I tell you that I wish Baylor was ahead of them but I don't show bias when I rank them, I agree with the committee
My list is this
TCU Bama Miss St Oregon
Baylor Florida St Auburn Arizona St Kansas St Ole Miss
I change weekly just as the schedules unfold but that is what I see on the field & I would bet TCU vs any of them on a neutral field tomorrow (that can change due to injury, eye test, etc)
I think the discussion is good for college football but to argue like kids over it is ridiculous, I'm not going to do that
My opinion (we are all entitled to one)
wahoo... we go way back
You got your opinion and I have mine...just agree to disagree
But if we don't use the head vs head as the final factor in deciding games..then the whole d@mn system is flawed... Period
and If I am on the committee (and I disagree with wahoo slightly here) I can't consciously give Alabama a top 4 spot over FSU or Oregon because I know they are not the better team. The main problem here is we all have to ask ourselves if at some point the eye test wins out over other factors? I guess I look at this too much from a betting standpoint because I would take TCU, FSU, Miss St, and Oregon straight up over Bama on a neutral. All about where we draw the line on some things
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and If I am on the committee (and I disagree with wahoo slightly here) I can't consciously give Alabama a top 4 spot over FSU or Oregon because I know they are not the better team. The main problem here is we all have to ask ourselves if at some point the eye test wins out over other factors? I guess I look at this too much from a betting standpoint because I would take TCU, FSU, Miss St, and Oregon straight up over Bama on a neutral. All about where we draw the line on some things
and If I am on the committee (and I disagree with wahoo slightly here) I can't consciously give Alabama a top 4 spot over FSU or Oregon because I know they are not the better team. The main problem here is we all have to ask ourselves if at some point the eye test wins out over other factors? I guess I look at this too much from a betting standpoint because I would take TCU, FSU, Miss St, and Oregon straight up over Bama on a neutral. All about where we draw the line on some things
and that basically what this comes down too...
A vested interest...Subjective...
but at the end of the day we can measure matrix's in many forms....but the one matrix that can't be argued is head to head...
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Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:
and If I am on the committee (and I disagree with wahoo slightly here) I can't consciously give Alabama a top 4 spot over FSU or Oregon because I know they are not the better team. The main problem here is we all have to ask ourselves if at some point the eye test wins out over other factors? I guess I look at this too much from a betting standpoint because I would take TCU, FSU, Miss St, and Oregon straight up over Bama on a neutral. All about where we draw the line on some things
and that basically what this comes down too...
A vested interest...Subjective...
but at the end of the day we can measure matrix's in many forms....but the one matrix that can't be argued is head to head...
They aren't trying to pick the most worthy team or the team with the best resume. They are trying to pick the best teams. So Oregon gets a free pass on their loss because they had a lot of O Line injured.
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They aren't trying to pick the most worthy team or the team with the best resume. They are trying to pick the best teams. So Oregon gets a free pass on their loss because they had a lot of O Line injured.
They aren't trying to pick the most worthy team or the team with the best resume. They are trying to pick the best teams. So Oregon gets a free pass on their loss because they had a lot of O Line injured.
I dont know about that....at all
So what are you saying... there needs to be built in excuses?
Let's say Watson starts at QB for Clemson from day .....should that be accounted for? IMO, NO..... because the game was played and coaching decisions were made.
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Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:
They aren't trying to pick the most worthy team or the team with the best resume. They are trying to pick the best teams. So Oregon gets a free pass on their loss because they had a lot of O Line injured.
I dont know about that....at all
So what are you saying... there needs to be built in excuses?
Let's say Watson starts at QB for Clemson from day .....should that be accounted for? IMO, NO..... because the game was played and coaching decisions were made.
I consider all angles Boom (including head to head)
& disagreeing is ok, I know for sure I'm not always right
I just know from watching that game who had control, who was better & who I think is more deserving & I'm a huge Baylor fan (I'm not a TCu fan at all & don't like Patterson at all despite knowing he is an elite coach).
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I consider all angles Boom (including head to head)
& disagreeing is ok, I know for sure I'm not always right
I just know from watching that game who had control, who was better & who I think is more deserving & I'm a huge Baylor fan (I'm not a TCu fan at all & don't like Patterson at all despite knowing he is an elite coach).
But anyone who has been around this game long enough can tell you what im telling you. Even tho technically it doesn't matter right now.... but really it does, perception drives this industry.
If I can tell you a ugly dog is the new thing it means nothing.... but if the media can get involved and tell everyone it's the new " thing "....then the value just went up
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Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:
Exactly.......everybody needs to relax
again............. none is disagreeing with this.
But anyone who has been around this game long enough can tell you what im telling you. Even tho technically it doesn't matter right now.... but really it does, perception drives this industry.
If I can tell you a ugly dog is the new thing it means nothing.... but if the media can get involved and tell everyone it's the new " thing "....then the value just went up
Example- On October 28th you started a thread about your top 10- you had TCU 7th and Baylor wasnt in your top 10- even though Baylor beat TCU- now you want it the other way around? TCU beat the team that Baylor lost to- yet now you are moaning about TCU? You had them 7th a couple of weeks ago and now you think Baylor is better- what changed?
You also talk about the "eye test"- I have no problem if FSU stayed#1 since they haven't lost but I can see dropping them as well- The "eye test" shows that they are not the best team in the country(in the view of many)_ They remind me of Auburn in some ways- that defense is not championship caliber although their offense is or can be when they want to
So now your system must have been flawed two weeks ago when you had TCU ranked and Baylor wasn't- not trying to argue but I am curious as too how you can flip back and forth on this?
Heck I could like with the top 4 being TCU, Baylor, FSU and Miss St. It could all change drastically after this week so everything really is moot at this point anyway.
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Boom-
Wahoo makes very valid points-
Example- On October 28th you started a thread about your top 10- you had TCU 7th and Baylor wasnt in your top 10- even though Baylor beat TCU- now you want it the other way around? TCU beat the team that Baylor lost to- yet now you are moaning about TCU? You had them 7th a couple of weeks ago and now you think Baylor is better- what changed?
You also talk about the "eye test"- I have no problem if FSU stayed#1 since they haven't lost but I can see dropping them as well- The "eye test" shows that they are not the best team in the country(in the view of many)_ They remind me of Auburn in some ways- that defense is not championship caliber although their offense is or can be when they want to
So now your system must have been flawed two weeks ago when you had TCU ranked and Baylor wasn't- not trying to argue but I am curious as too how you can flip back and forth on this?
Heck I could like with the top 4 being TCU, Baylor, FSU and Miss St. It could all change drastically after this week so everything really is moot at this point anyway.
FSU drops for beating an ACC team. Miss St. stays #1 after beating PRESBYTERIAN. Sure makes a lot of sense to me!!!
No one wants to comment on Miss State's non conference schedule? FSU would be a pretty good favorite on a neutral site against Miss. St. You can mark that garbage down.
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FSU drops for beating an ACC team. Miss St. stays #1 after beating PRESBYTERIAN. Sure makes a lot of sense to me!!!
No one wants to comment on Miss State's non conference schedule? FSU would be a pretty good favorite on a neutral site against Miss. St. You can mark that garbage down.
you are only here to troll to begin with.... and you said last week you wouldn't post in my threads anymore... but Ican understand why you are upset after I destroy you every time you come to play.
So let me slow this down and hold your hand like a little child
BAYLOR BEAT TCU BOTH ARE 8-1 AND THAT'S ALL THAT SHOULD MATTER......
yes, playing on the road is THE toughest thing to do college football. But at the end of the day and all things are the same ( 8-1 ) all we can do is go by the information at hand...which is Baylor beating TCU
Destroy me? lol, I'm still waiting on your response to why a kicker's freshman year doesn't count, only his sophomore year...we all know you seen the multiple times I've posed that question and you are just ducking it as you have no answer for your selective sample size.
correction: Baylor beating TCU @WACO.
The fact that you are trying to make this major point a non factor is just obtuse....Everyone, including yourself, likes to emphasize if a team loses @HOME it is worse. Shouldn't that work both ways? A loss is a loss right? Why put MORE WEIGHT into losing @home then?
Carry on "demolishing" me. Or more likely, ignoring these points and jump to calling me a troll...oops...too late.
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Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:
you are only here to troll to begin with.... and you said last week you wouldn't post in my threads anymore... but Ican understand why you are upset after I destroy you every time you come to play.
So let me slow this down and hold your hand like a little child
BAYLOR BEAT TCU BOTH ARE 8-1 AND THAT'S ALL THAT SHOULD MATTER......
yes, playing on the road is THE toughest thing to do college football. But at the end of the day and all things are the same ( 8-1 ) all we can do is go by the information at hand...which is Baylor beating TCU
Destroy me? lol, I'm still waiting on your response to why a kicker's freshman year doesn't count, only his sophomore year...we all know you seen the multiple times I've posed that question and you are just ducking it as you have no answer for your selective sample size.
correction: Baylor beating TCU @WACO.
The fact that you are trying to make this major point a non factor is just obtuse....Everyone, including yourself, likes to emphasize if a team loses @HOME it is worse. Shouldn't that work both ways? A loss is a loss right? Why put MORE WEIGHT into losing @home then?
Carry on "demolishing" me. Or more likely, ignoring these points and jump to calling me a troll...oops...too late.
I consider all angles Boom (including head to head)
& disagreeing is ok, I know for sure I'm not always right
I just know from watching that game who had control, who was better & who I think is more deserving & I'm a huge Baylor fan (I'm not a TCu fan at all & don't like Patterson at all despite knowing he is an elite coach).
I watched the game as well... and agree.. TCU had control.
But what matters wahoo? What matters?
Clemson controlled every aspect of the FSU game.. but what mattered? at the end of the day.....what mattered?
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Quote Originally Posted by WahooS:
I consider all angles Boom (including head to head)
& disagreeing is ok, I know for sure I'm not always right
I just know from watching that game who had control, who was better & who I think is more deserving & I'm a huge Baylor fan (I'm not a TCu fan at all & don't like Patterson at all despite knowing he is an elite coach).
I watched the game as well... and agree.. TCU had control.
But what matters wahoo? What matters?
Clemson controlled every aspect of the FSU game.. but what mattered? at the end of the day.....what mattered?
tcu is way better than baylor if that game they lost in baylor was on a neutral site baylor would have lost by 20 you have no idea what your talking about oh by the way didnt baylor lose to wvu and what did tcu do to that team get lost and fsu will lose to miami this week
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tcu is way better than baylor if that game they lost in baylor was on a neutral site baylor would have lost by 20 you have no idea what your talking about oh by the way didnt baylor lose to wvu and what did tcu do to that team get lost and fsu will lose to miami this week
blowout - I acknowledged that.... it was just a mistake on my part about placing TCU ahead of Baylor at the time.
Im not talking nor have I talked about using the " eye test " as end all.... it's a matrix that one can use to create their own criteria. But I use head to head as the END ALL
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blowout - I acknowledged that.... it was just a mistake on my part about placing TCU ahead of Baylor at the time.
Im not talking nor have I talked about using the " eye test " as end all.... it's a matrix that one can use to create their own criteria. But I use head to head as the END ALL
btw.... bro, don't let Minnesota be the " tie breaker " card....come on now. Minnesota....really?
Head to head HAS to matter..
Im sorry, I can't see anyway around that
It does matter...but the problem is, you are making it the be all end all, and not considering other major factors, like thorpe said, injuries....what if FSU destroyed everyone in their path except one game in which Winston was suspended. Just discount that fact? no, consider it along with other pieces of the puzzle.
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Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:
btw.... bro, don't let Minnesota be the " tie breaker " card....come on now. Minnesota....really?
Head to head HAS to matter..
Im sorry, I can't see anyway around that
It does matter...but the problem is, you are making it the be all end all, and not considering other major factors, like thorpe said, injuries....what if FSU destroyed everyone in their path except one game in which Winston was suspended. Just discount that fact? no, consider it along with other pieces of the puzzle.
naisey - you are pathetic man... your angle the whole time was about the kids freshman year too? I told you the kicker was 84.6%...which he is this year.... you are one of those guys who would argue with a STOP sign.
SMH
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naisey - you are pathetic man... your angle the whole time was about the kids freshman year too? I told you the kicker was 84.6%...which he is this year.... you are one of those guys who would argue with a STOP sign.
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