Lessee here....Sam with a new HC...new QB....6/3 starters is about 7 pts better than EW?....arguably the #1 team with the #1 player in FCS *I'm gonna bet it until 5Dimes cuts me off
\writeup to follow....both teams have their 2014 previews up
It really does look to easy. I have a friend that is a GA at Sam Houston and he said they haven't even fully installed playbooks and the guys aren't buying in like the coaches had hoped.
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Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:
ME....and E Illinois
*that one looks too easy.....
Lessee here....Sam with a new HC...new QB....6/3 starters is about 7 pts better than EW?....arguably the #1 team with the #1 player in FCS *I'm gonna bet it until 5Dimes cuts me off
\writeup to follow....both teams have their 2014 previews up
It really does look to easy. I have a friend that is a GA at Sam Houston and he said they haven't even fully installed playbooks and the guys aren't buying in like the coaches had hoped.
Lessee here....Sam with a new HC...new QB....6/3 starters is about 7 pts better than EW?....arguably the #1 team with the #1 player in FCS *I'm gonna bet it until 5Dimes cuts me off
\writeup to follow....both teams have their 2014 previews up
BA, SHSU Loses their QB Brian Bell ( QBR 147 ) , While EWU has QB Vernon Adams ( QBR 160 ), SHSU loses a number of starters on defense , has a new Head Coach , a new QB to break in a new offense, and an abominable road record. I have no idea why SHSU is favored in this game.
BA
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Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:
ME....and E Illinois
*that one looks too easy.....
Lessee here....Sam with a new HC...new QB....6/3 starters is about 7 pts better than EW?....arguably the #1 team with the #1 player in FCS *I'm gonna bet it until 5Dimes cuts me off
\writeup to follow....both teams have their 2014 previews up
BA, SHSU Loses their QB Brian Bell ( QBR 147 ) , While EWU has QB Vernon Adams ( QBR 160 ), SHSU loses a number of starters on defense , has a new Head Coach , a new QB to break in a new offense, and an abominable road record. I have no idea why SHSU is favored in this game.
BA, SHSU Loses their QB Brian Bell ( QBR 147 ) , While EWU has QB Vernon Adams ( QBR 160 ), SHSU loses a number of starters on defense , has a new Head Coach , a new QB to break in a new offense, and an abominable road record. I have no idea why SHSU is favored in this game.
BA
In addition . EWU posted better stats with a tougher schedule.
Must be a trap. ...............
BA
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Quote Originally Posted by WISEGUY36:
BA, SHSU Loses their QB Brian Bell ( QBR 147 ) , While EWU has QB Vernon Adams ( QBR 160 ), SHSU loses a number of starters on defense , has a new Head Coach , a new QB to break in a new offense, and an abominable road record. I have no idea why SHSU is favored in this game.
BA
In addition . EWU posted better stats with a tougher schedule.
isn't Ok St gonna be real young? I'll pass on that....do think that there might be value on the under and/or value on ok st under team total.....fsu defense gonna shut them down
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isn't Ok St gonna be real young? I'll pass on that....do think that there might be value on the under and/or value on ok st under team total.....fsu defense gonna shut them down
I love Oklahoma State +18 against Fsu. I think it may go down to the wire. ...
I'm gonna excuse myself from all Fla St discussions......kinda *weak a-s-s schedule the last few years....roughly the same as a CUSA or MTW team (that's right #65 > #80 > #68)......... came together last year you bet....deserve it?.....guess so
BUT.......maybe the easiest road to the title EVER....then outplayed by another team unbelievably lucky to be there.....the Crab-Man looked extremely average to me for 3 quarters or so ....vs a middle of the pack SEC D....... $$ so I think they are overrated / overvalued here........
BUT.....freely admit I could easily be wrong.....my hunch here is that Okie St plays the hell out of these guys............
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Quote Originally Posted by POISON66:
I love Oklahoma State +18 against Fsu. I think it may go down to the wire. ...
I'm gonna excuse myself from all Fla St discussions......kinda *weak a-s-s schedule the last few years....roughly the same as a CUSA or MTW team (that's right #65 > #80 > #68)......... came together last year you bet....deserve it?.....guess so
BUT.......maybe the easiest road to the title EVER....then outplayed by another team unbelievably lucky to be there.....the Crab-Man looked extremely average to me for 3 quarters or so ....vs a middle of the pack SEC D....... $$ so I think they are overrated / overvalued here........
BUT.....freely admit I could easily be wrong.....my hunch here is that Okie St plays the hell out of these guys............
I'm gonna excuse myself from all Fla St discussions......kinda *weak a-s-s schedule the last few years....roughly the same as a CUSA or MTW team (that's right #65 > #80 > #68)......... came together last year you bet....deserve it?.....guess so
BUT.......maybe the easiest road to the title EVER....then outplayed by another team unbelievably lucky to be there.....the Crab-Man looked extremely average to me for 3 quarters or so ....vs a middle of the pack SEC D....... $$ so I think they are overrated / overvalued here........
BUT.....freely admit I could easily be wrong.....my hunch here is that Okie St plays the hell out of these guys............
We are in the same boat on FSU's scheduling past few years. Every time I tell someone that they want to act like FSU has been playing NFL All Star teams past few years as opposed to soft ACC teams...
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Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:
I'm gonna excuse myself from all Fla St discussions......kinda *weak a-s-s schedule the last few years....roughly the same as a CUSA or MTW team (that's right #65 > #80 > #68)......... came together last year you bet....deserve it?.....guess so
BUT.......maybe the easiest road to the title EVER....then outplayed by another team unbelievably lucky to be there.....the Crab-Man looked extremely average to me for 3 quarters or so ....vs a middle of the pack SEC D....... $$ so I think they are overrated / overvalued here........
BUT.....freely admit I could easily be wrong.....my hunch here is that Okie St plays the hell out of these guys............
We are in the same boat on FSU's scheduling past few years. Every time I tell someone that they want to act like FSU has been playing NFL All Star teams past few years as opposed to soft ACC teams...
what makes this game even a bigger stay away for me.... *to take a page from one of that packer's biased rants....
I cannot stand that punk Gundy......stupid / phony Godfather voice + belittling / ridiculing a sophomoric female reporter + protecting his wife's virtue by ordering a contractor wearing OU stuff off his property wtf +++........... *but the top coach to bet on the past few years no doubt.....really tough on the road too .....Although the Criminoles will travel well here sure......decent home field edge to Okie St.....T-Boone and JJ are big buddies......Jerry will take care of him here....> PA / replay / seating whatever....
The impediment to action advances action - what stands in the way becomes the way.
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what makes this game even a bigger stay away for me.... *to take a page from one of that packer's biased rants....
I cannot stand that punk Gundy......stupid / phony Godfather voice + belittling / ridiculing a sophomoric female reporter + protecting his wife's virtue by ordering a contractor wearing OU stuff off his property wtf +++........... *but the top coach to bet on the past few years no doubt.....really tough on the road too .....Although the Criminoles will travel well here sure......decent home field edge to Okie St.....T-Boone and JJ are big buddies......Jerry will take care of him here....> PA / replay / seating whatever....
what makes this game even a bigger stay away for me.... *to take a page from one of that packer's biased rants....
I cannot stand that punk Gundy......stupid / phony Godfather voice + belittling / ridiculing a sophomoric female reporter + protecting his wife's virtue by ordering a contractor wearing OU stuff off his property wtf +++........... *but the top coach to bet on the past few years no doubt.....really tough on the road too .....Although the Criminoles will travel well here sure......decent home field edge to Okie St.....T-Boone and JJ are big buddies......Jerry will take care of him here....> PA / replay / seating whatever....
BA , Ok St. lost a lot of talent from last years team plus they have a QB that throws too many picks. Hard to quantify the losses, but you are correct that they played a tougher schedule. While I have FSU at 20 points better, I would not take them at that price, especially on a neutral field , as I don't know if Jimbo can fire them up. I do think there is value at less than -17
BA
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Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:
what makes this game even a bigger stay away for me.... *to take a page from one of that packer's biased rants....
I cannot stand that punk Gundy......stupid / phony Godfather voice + belittling / ridiculing a sophomoric female reporter + protecting his wife's virtue by ordering a contractor wearing OU stuff off his property wtf +++........... *but the top coach to bet on the past few years no doubt.....really tough on the road too .....Although the Criminoles will travel well here sure......decent home field edge to Okie St.....T-Boone and JJ are big buddies......Jerry will take care of him here....> PA / replay / seating whatever....
BA , Ok St. lost a lot of talent from last years team plus they have a QB that throws too many picks. Hard to quantify the losses, but you are correct that they played a tougher schedule. While I have FSU at 20 points better, I would not take them at that price, especially on a neutral field , as I don't know if Jimbo can fire them up. I do think there is value at less than -17
BA , Ok St. lost a lot of talent from last years team plus they have a QB that throws too many picks. Hard to quantify the losses, but you are correct that they played a tougher schedule. While I have FSU at 20 points better, I would not take them at that price, especially on a neutral field , as I don't know if Jimbo can fire them up. I do think there is value at less than -17
BA
BA, If someone bought FSU early, it just might make sense to get a little OkSt, at + 21 1/2 or better.
BA
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Quote Originally Posted by WISEGUY36:
BA , Ok St. lost a lot of talent from last years team plus they have a QB that throws too many picks. Hard to quantify the losses, but you are correct that they played a tougher schedule. While I have FSU at 20 points better, I would not take them at that price, especially on a neutral field , as I don't know if Jimbo can fire them up. I do think there is value at less than -17
BA
BA, If someone bought FSU early, it just might make sense to get a little OkSt, at + 21 1/2 or better.
with the exception of a mediocre win at BC and a win in the last few minutes against a very talented and well coached Auburn team, Florida State 'b&tch" slapped that "easy" schedule and defeated 5 ranked teams in the process including #2 Auburn. @#3 Clemson 51-14, #7 Miami, 41-14, @NC State 40-17, and against #20 Duke 45-7. Anyone who watched these games knows they could have put another 2 TD's each on any of these had they wanted (with the exception of Auburn).
My perspective is that though these guys may not have had an SEC west schedule, they dominated pretty good teams along the way. If you go to the FSU scout site, most hard core fans were surprised by the "early" success in 2013, and had target the 2014 season as the one for the Championship Run. Call it homer delusion, but they believe that this 2014 team is more talented than the 2013 team.
If this 1st game at High Profile ATT Stadium in Arlington were against a more mediocre team, I could see the potential for a hang over from 2013. But, this is Ok St with a Mike Gundy coaching them. You have to believe that FSU will come with their A Game and know that if they do not, they could go down in flames in Game 1. From a lookahead perspective, what does FSU have? The Citadel in week 2, and open week 3, then Clemson. Thus, this will be their last test before Clemson in week 4. Do you guys think that Jimbo Fisher is going to take Ok St lightly in week 1, know that he needs to get 9 new starters engrained prior to match at home with Clemson in Week 4?
Motivation - FSU is going to JerryWorld at ATT Park where the Dallas Cowboys Play against a team from the region who will have 50K Ok St Cowboys fans in attendance.
I think FSU will come with their A Game and the outcome won't be close. That's based on motivation, talent differential, and returning experience/leadership. Personally, I think it is very difficult to assign a value in week 1, without having any datapoints for these particular teams... My brain, and my gut tell me that the Noles will take care of business on August 30, 2014 in Arlington...
I welcome your comments...
LonghornHoosier
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with the exception of a mediocre win at BC and a win in the last few minutes against a very talented and well coached Auburn team, Florida State 'b&tch" slapped that "easy" schedule and defeated 5 ranked teams in the process including #2 Auburn. @#3 Clemson 51-14, #7 Miami, 41-14, @NC State 40-17, and against #20 Duke 45-7. Anyone who watched these games knows they could have put another 2 TD's each on any of these had they wanted (with the exception of Auburn).
My perspective is that though these guys may not have had an SEC west schedule, they dominated pretty good teams along the way. If you go to the FSU scout site, most hard core fans were surprised by the "early" success in 2013, and had target the 2014 season as the one for the Championship Run. Call it homer delusion, but they believe that this 2014 team is more talented than the 2013 team.
If this 1st game at High Profile ATT Stadium in Arlington were against a more mediocre team, I could see the potential for a hang over from 2013. But, this is Ok St with a Mike Gundy coaching them. You have to believe that FSU will come with their A Game and know that if they do not, they could go down in flames in Game 1. From a lookahead perspective, what does FSU have? The Citadel in week 2, and open week 3, then Clemson. Thus, this will be their last test before Clemson in week 4. Do you guys think that Jimbo Fisher is going to take Ok St lightly in week 1, know that he needs to get 9 new starters engrained prior to match at home with Clemson in Week 4?
Motivation - FSU is going to JerryWorld at ATT Park where the Dallas Cowboys Play against a team from the region who will have 50K Ok St Cowboys fans in attendance.
I think FSU will come with their A Game and the outcome won't be close. That's based on motivation, talent differential, and returning experience/leadership. Personally, I think it is very difficult to assign a value in week 1, without having any datapoints for these particular teams... My brain, and my gut tell me that the Noles will take care of business on August 30, 2014 in Arlington...
think FSU will come with their A Game and the outcome won't be close.
That's based on motivation, talent differential, and returning
experience/leadership. Personally, I think it is very difficult to
assign a value in week 1, without having any datapoints for these
particular teams..
accurate number for the end of 2013...then factor in the changes *If you conclude that FSU was in fact 7-10 pts better than Auburn......and that their roll will continue. *and that OSU will continue to slide somewhat.......... $$ then this one should be around 21
*If FSU is due to come back to earth a bit....inexperienced OSU down slightly....then maybe 16'-17......... *FSU overrated?.....<14
motivation? - maybe sure...but that usually ain't how it works. achieve your ultimate goal?.....spend an entire year everyone telling you how great and cool you are.....everybody wants to be your buddy.......you come back lean and mean / EQUALLY hungry? ...usually nope
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think FSU will come with their A Game and the outcome won't be close.
That's based on motivation, talent differential, and returning
experience/leadership. Personally, I think it is very difficult to
assign a value in week 1, without having any datapoints for these
particular teams..
accurate number for the end of 2013...then factor in the changes *If you conclude that FSU was in fact 7-10 pts better than Auburn......and that their roll will continue. *and that OSU will continue to slide somewhat.......... $$ then this one should be around 21
*If FSU is due to come back to earth a bit....inexperienced OSU down slightly....then maybe 16'-17......... *FSU overrated?.....<14
motivation? - maybe sure...but that usually ain't how it works. achieve your ultimate goal?.....spend an entire year everyone telling you how great and cool you are.....everybody wants to be your buddy.......you come back lean and mean / EQUALLY hungry? ...usually nope
fair enough BA - I still think its going to be a blood bath for OK St, but I respect your perspective...
When you have the opp, can you give me your perspective on Houston v. UTSA. Houston returns 17 starters while UTSA returns 20. Game at Houston. Opening renovated stadium. Steele has the value delta at 5 with a 3-4 Houston home field to arrive at 8-9. The Golden Nugget line at the end of June was Houston -13. I know you have P Steele so you know what each team brings to the table. To me the big differential will be Houston's passing game v. UTSA inexperience in passing. I think P Steele's assessment that Houston's D is great is laughable. They will give up points, but will they be motivated enough to facilitate a sound win and exceed expectations versus a value basis?
Thanks in advance. Hook em!
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fair enough BA - I still think its going to be a blood bath for OK St, but I respect your perspective...
When you have the opp, can you give me your perspective on Houston v. UTSA. Houston returns 17 starters while UTSA returns 20. Game at Houston. Opening renovated stadium. Steele has the value delta at 5 with a 3-4 Houston home field to arrive at 8-9. The Golden Nugget line at the end of June was Houston -13. I know you have P Steele so you know what each team brings to the table. To me the big differential will be Houston's passing game v. UTSA inexperience in passing. I think P Steele's assessment that Houston's D is great is laughable. They will give up points, but will they be motivated enough to facilitate a sound win and exceed expectations versus a value basis?
fair enough BA - I still think its going to be a blood bath for OK St, but I respect your perspective...
When you have the opp, can you give me your perspective on Houston v. UTSA. Houston returns 17 starters while UTSA returns 20. Game at Houston. Opening renovated stadium. Steele has the value delta at 5 with a 3-4 Houston home field to arrive at 8-9. The Golden Nugget line at the end of June was Houston -13. I know you have P Steele so you know what each team brings to the table. To me the big differential will be Houston's passing game v. UTSA inexperience in passing. I think P Steele's assessment that Houston's D is great is laughable. They will give up points, but will they be motivated enough to facilitate a sound win and exceed expectations versus a value basis?
Thanks in advance. Hook em!
Depends on what metric you use. I have them at # 8 ( not schedule adjusted ) which is still not bad.Overall about # 30 or so.
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Quote Originally Posted by LonghornHoosier:
fair enough BA - I still think its going to be a blood bath for OK St, but I respect your perspective...
When you have the opp, can you give me your perspective on Houston v. UTSA. Houston returns 17 starters while UTSA returns 20. Game at Houston. Opening renovated stadium. Steele has the value delta at 5 with a 3-4 Houston home field to arrive at 8-9. The Golden Nugget line at the end of June was Houston -13. I know you have P Steele so you know what each team brings to the table. To me the big differential will be Houston's passing game v. UTSA inexperience in passing. I think P Steele's assessment that Houston's D is great is laughable. They will give up points, but will they be motivated enough to facilitate a sound win and exceed expectations versus a value basis?
Thanks in advance. Hook em!
Depends on what metric you use. I have them at # 8 ( not schedule adjusted ) which is still not bad.Overall about # 30 or so.
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