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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 12:03 AM ET #526

    Why would you risk 90 minute pick instead of all 4+ units on advance? 

    Its a nickel difference?

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    Why would you risk 90 minute pick instead of all 4+ units on advance? 

    Its a nickel difference?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 1:16 AM ET #527

    So Asian handicap 0 and draw no bet are the exact same thing?
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    So Asian handicap 0 and draw no bet are the exact same thing?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 3:47 AM ET #528

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I have watched the Belgium winning goal several times now, and if anyone wants to teach a youngster textbook off the ball movement, watch Lukaku on the goal.He never touches the ball - but is the sole reason the goal was scored.  He creates space for the initial pass to Meunier by running away drawing the only defender on that side, and then doubles back by running in to Meunier once the cross was coming, clearing out the backside space.Just incredible.  And for a younger player to do that - while never touching the ball - is pretty amazing.

    Absolutely agree with you on this. I have a newfound respect for Lukaku after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I have watched the Belgium winning goal several times now, and if anyone wants to teach a youngster textbook off the ball movement, watch Lukaku on the goal.He never touches the ball - but is the sole reason the goal was scored.  He creates space for the initial pass to Meunier by running away drawing the only defender on that side, and then doubles back by running in to Meunier once the cross was coming, clearing out the backside space.Just incredible.  And for a younger player to do that - while never touching the ball - is pretty amazing.

    Absolutely agree with you on this. I have a newfound respect for Lukaku after that.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 7:58 AM ET #529

    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    I still cannot figure out why they keep the time in soccer secret and on the field. Ridiculous and the only sport that is done this way. Would be very useful to put it on the scoreboard and simply blow a whistle and raise a hand like they do in other sports so everyone knows when the game is over.

    They could fix so much in soccer if they just had a scoreboard clock, that starts at zero each half.  When someone goes down and starts rolling around, the ref taps his watch and the clock starts.  Let the guy roll around all he wants.  Subs can walk off as slow as they want.  Everyone in the stadium sees the clock, and this is the time to add at the end of the half.

    I have no idea why they dont do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    I still cannot figure out why they keep the time in soccer secret and on the field. Ridiculous and the only sport that is done this way. Would be very useful to put it on the scoreboard and simply blow a whistle and raise a hand like they do in other sports so everyone knows when the game is over.

    They could fix so much in soccer if they just had a scoreboard clock, that starts at zero each half.  When someone goes down and starts rolling around, the ref taps his watch and the clock starts.  Let the guy roll around all he wants.  Subs can walk off as slow as they want.  Everyone in the stadium sees the clock, and this is the time to add at the end of the half.

    I have no idea why they dont do this.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 7:59 AM ET #530

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothfairy1:

    Why would you risk 90 minute pick instead of all 4+ units on advance?  Its a nickel difference?

    It is by design.  So if it goes to ET, I only have half as much in play - half of my bet gets taken off the table at 90 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothfairy1:

    Why would you risk 90 minute pick instead of all 4+ units on advance?  Its a nickel difference?

    It is by design.  So if it goes to ET, I only have half as much in play - half of my bet gets taken off the table at 90 minutes.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 8:20 AM ET #531

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I have watched the Belgium winning goal several times now, and if anyone wants to teach a youngster textbook off the ball movement, watch Lukaku on the goal.

    He never touches the ball - but is the sole reason the goal was scored.  He creates space for the initial pass to Meunier by running away drawing the only defender on that side, and then doubles back by running in to Meunier once the cross was coming, clearing out the backside space.

    Just incredible.  And for a younger player to do that - while never touching the ball - is pretty amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I have watched the Belgium winning goal several times now, and if anyone wants to teach a youngster textbook off the ball movement, watch Lukaku on the goal.

    He never touches the ball - but is the sole reason the goal was scored.  He creates space for the initial pass to Meunier by running away drawing the only defender on that side, and then doubles back by running in to Meunier once the cross was coming, clearing out the backside space.

    Just incredible.  And for a younger player to do that - while never touching the ball - is pretty amazing.

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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 8:27 AM ET #532

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I have watched the Belgium winning goal several times now, and if anyone wants to teach a youngster textbook off the ball movement, watch Lukaku on the goal.He never touches the ball - but is the sole reason the goal was scored.  He creates space for the initial pass to Meunier by running away drawing the only defender on that side, and then doubles back by running in to Meunier once the cross was coming, clearing out the backside space.Just incredible.  And for a younger player to do that - while never touching the ball - is pretty amazing.
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    Good article about it.   https://deadspin.com/romelu-lukaku-is-a-genius-1827298442

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I have watched the Belgium winning goal several times now, and if anyone wants to teach a youngster textbook off the ball movement, watch Lukaku on the goal.He never touches the ball - but is the sole reason the goal was scored.  He creates space for the initial pass to Meunier by running away drawing the only defender on that side, and then doubles back by running in to Meunier once the cross was coming, clearing out the backside space.Just incredible.  And for a younger player to do that - while never touching the ball - is pretty amazing.
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    Good article about it.   https://deadspin.com/romelu-lukaku-is-a-genius-1827298442

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 9:09 AM ET #533

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Sweden / Switzerland -I was pretty surprised to see the Swiss installed as a slight favorite here.  But even more surprised that nobody is talking about Lichsteiner and Schar both out for the Swiss on suspension.THIS IS THE STARTING DEFENSE ON THE RIGHT SIDE FOR ALL GROUP GAMES.To me, this is a big deal.  If there is one area on the field that playing together means more than others - it is in the defense - and to lose 2 guys (one of which is arguably the best player on Switzerland) that make up one side is a huge handicap.This on top of a Swiss side that has leaked goals already - conceding in every match letting in 2 against CR, and 1 against Brazil in their first match and Serbia.  The Swiss rely on the playmaking abilities of Shaqiri, Dzemaili and Xhaka - almost more Brazilian in attack than Brazil is now a days.  But after watching Shaqiri in the Premier league for tons of games - he is great when he has space - but really struggles and gets taken out of games early when marked closely and especially with size and strength.  He doesn't perform when he gets roughed up - which is precisely what I think Sweden will do from the get go.Once again - I think Sweden is seriously underrated here just like in their previous 3 games.  The loss of Sebastian Larsson is a big loss - but Svenson should replace him and while losing some talent-  it is a like for like switch.  I look for Sweden to boss the midfield, and wear down Switzerland.  Sweden's finishing has been poor, and the strikers definitely need to step up and start finishing - Forsberg, Toivenen, and Berg need to be much better from open play - only 2 of their 5 goals have been from open play (two PK, one own goal) and that just isn't good enough.  I look for them to bomb the right side of the Swiss (Swedens left attacking flank) all game with success.But all things point me to Sweden in this one.  Big bet for me.  I can see it being a low scoring draw, and Sweden going out on PKs, but I don't see them losing in normal play.Sweden PK +110 (90 minutes) (2.5 units to win 2.75)Sweden to advance +105 (2.5 units to win 2.625)Predicted final score Sweden 1-0

     

    Any thoughts on the line movement? Imagine you see more value but curious on your thoughts. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Sweden / Switzerland -I was pretty surprised to see the Swiss installed as a slight favorite here.  But even more surprised that nobody is talking about Lichsteiner and Schar both out for the Swiss on suspension.THIS IS THE STARTING DEFENSE ON THE RIGHT SIDE FOR ALL GROUP GAMES.To me, this is a big deal.  If there is one area on the field that playing together means more than others - it is in the defense - and to lose 2 guys (one of which is arguably the best player on Switzerland) that make up one side is a huge handicap.This on top of a Swiss side that has leaked goals already - conceding in every match letting in 2 against CR, and 1 against Brazil in their first match and Serbia.  The Swiss rely on the playmaking abilities of Shaqiri, Dzemaili and Xhaka - almost more Brazilian in attack than Brazil is now a days.  But after watching Shaqiri in the Premier league for tons of games - he is great when he has space - but really struggles and gets taken out of games early when marked closely and especially with size and strength.  He doesn't perform when he gets roughed up - which is precisely what I think Sweden will do from the get go.Once again - I think Sweden is seriously underrated here just like in their previous 3 games.  The loss of Sebastian Larsson is a big loss - but Svenson should replace him and while losing some talent-  it is a like for like switch.  I look for Sweden to boss the midfield, and wear down Switzerland.  Sweden's finishing has been poor, and the strikers definitely need to step up and start finishing - Forsberg, Toivenen, and Berg need to be much better from open play - only 2 of their 5 goals have been from open play (two PK, one own goal) and that just isn't good enough.  I look for them to bomb the right side of the Swiss (Swedens left attacking flank) all game with success.But all things point me to Sweden in this one.  Big bet for me.  I can see it being a low scoring draw, and Sweden going out on PKs, but I don't see them losing in normal play.Sweden PK +110 (90 minutes) (2.5 units to win 2.75)Sweden to advance +105 (2.5 units to win 2.625)Predicted final score Sweden 1-0

     

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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 9:43 AM ET #534

    Quote Originally Posted by arkadymo:

     

    Any thoughts on the line movement? Imagine you see more value but curious on your thoughts. 


    Honestly, 9 out of 10 matches so far have moved against me before gametime.  As I posted in the first post of this thread - the lines I post are not the lines I get, or you might get - but the widely available American facing book lines at time of posting.

    So for instance, I put my bets in about 5 minutes ago and got +127 for 90 minutes and +116 to advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkadymo:

     

    Any thoughts on the line movement? Imagine you see more value but curious on your thoughts. 


    Honestly, 9 out of 10 matches so far have moved against me before gametime.  As I posted in the first post of this thread - the lines I post are not the lines I get, or you might get - but the widely available American facing book lines at time of posting.

    So for instance, I put my bets in about 5 minutes ago and got +127 for 90 minutes and +116 to advance.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 10:29 AM ET #535

    Marcus Berg has to be the worst #9 on the planet right? Dude has been complete trash all tournament long, just unreal

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    Marcus Berg has to be the worst #9 on the planet right? Dude has been complete trash all tournament long, just unreal

     
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    I don't like the way Sweden played in that first half at all.

    Passes are not accurate, cant string more than a few together, and no creativity in the midfield.  They cant sit back and play defense the whole game.

    Hope they switch up tactics at HT.
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    I don't like the way Sweden played in that first half at all.

    Passes are not accurate, cant string more than a few together, and no creativity in the midfield.  They cant sit back and play defense the whole game.

    Hope they switch up tactics at HT.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoodleArmHCG:

    Marcus Berg has to be the worst #9 on the planet right? Dude has been complete trash all tournament long, just unreal


    He had a terrible half.  On both sides of the field.  When he defends, he drops his man so easily - on Switzerlands best chance (Dzemaili over the bar after a give and go) Berg just stood and watched as Dzemaili ran right past him to receive the pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoodleArmHCG:

    Marcus Berg has to be the worst #9 on the planet right? Dude has been complete trash all tournament long, just unreal


    He had a terrible half.  On both sides of the field.  When he defends, he drops his man so easily - on Switzerlands best chance (Dzemaili over the bar after a give and go) Berg just stood and watched as Dzemaili ran right past him to receive the pass.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 10:50 AM ET #538

    I made the same note that the passing in their own half has been pretty poor. Going forward, it probably doesn't matter because if they do get through because they'll be outclassed and playing protect-the-house soccer. But unimpressive in the first half. 

    And yet, they still had the best opportunity and should be up 1-0...
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    I made the same note that the passing in their own half has been pretty poor. Going forward, it probably doesn't matter because if they do get through because they'll be outclassed and playing protect-the-house soccer. But unimpressive in the first half. 

    And yet, they still had the best opportunity and should be up 1-0...
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 11:23 AM ET #539

    Finally!
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    Finally!
     
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    Sweden.

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    Sweden.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 11:56 AM ET #541

    SWEDEN an_praisepeace_5

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    SWEDEN an_praisepeace_5

     
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    Not what I expected at all from Sweden, but I will take the win.

    The goal was so lucky - it was a dribbled shot right at the GK that he had covered - but the defender helped us out.

    No midfield play at all for Sweden.  Defend, and then counter - skip right through midfield.  This will cost them in the next match.  Their weakness is the lack of a playmaker who wants to pick the ball up deep and direct traffic - they just don't have it.

    Happy to win, but don't get me wrong, at about the 60th minute mark I was asking myself why I had so much money on a team that couldn't complete simple passes.
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    Not what I expected at all from Sweden, but I will take the win.

    The goal was so lucky - it was a dribbled shot right at the GK that he had covered - but the defender helped us out.

    No midfield play at all for Sweden.  Defend, and then counter - skip right through midfield.  This will cost them in the next match.  Their weakness is the lack of a playmaker who wants to pick the ball up deep and direct traffic - they just don't have it.

    Happy to win, but don't get me wrong, at about the 60th minute mark I was asking myself why I had so much money on a team that couldn't complete simple passes.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 11:57 AM ET #543

    Whew! Thanks for that predicted 1-0 score! Praying that it was not a penalty! That sweden pick Van is gorgeous!
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    Whew! Thanks for that predicted 1-0 score! Praying that it was not a penalty! That sweden pick Van is gorgeous!
     
    monkeebooger
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 11:58 AM ET #544

    I love you. 

    Thanks for sharing brotha 
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    I love you. 

    Thanks for sharing brotha 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 11:58 AM ET #545

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Sweden / Switzerland -

    I was pretty surprised to see the Swiss installed as a slight favorite here.  But even more surprised that nobody is talking about Lichsteiner and Schar both out for the Swiss on suspension.

    THIS IS THE STARTING DEFENSE ON THE RIGHT SIDE FOR ALL GROUP GAMES.

    To me, this is a big deal.  If there is one area on the field that playing together means more than others - it is in the defense - and to lose 2 guys (one of which is arguably the best player on Switzerland) that make up one side is a huge handicap.

    This on top of a Swiss side that has leaked goals already - conceding in every match letting in 2 against CR, and 1 against Brazil in their first match and Serbia.  

    The Swiss rely on the playmaking abilities of Shaqiri, Dzemaili and Xhaka - almost more Brazilian in attack than Brazil is now a days.  But after watching Shaqiri in the Premier league for tons of games - he is great when he has space - but really struggles and gets taken out of games early when marked closely and especially with size and strength.  He doesn't perform when he gets roughed up - which is precisely what I think Sweden will do from the get go.

    Once again - I think Sweden is seriously underrated here just like in their previous 3 games.  The loss of Sebastian Larsson is a big loss - but Svenson should replace him and while losing some talent-  it is a like for like switch.  

    I look for Sweden to boss the midfield, and wear down Switzerland.  Sweden's finishing has been poor, and the strikers definitely need to step up and start finishing - Forsberg, Toivenen, and Berg need to be much better from open play - only 2 of their 5 goals have been from open play (two PK, one own goal) and that just isn't good enough.  I look for them to bomb the right side of the Swiss (Swedens left attacking flank) all game with success.

    But all things point me to Sweden in this one.  Big bet for me.  I can see it being a low scoring draw, and Sweden going out on PKs, but I don't see them losing in normal play.

    Sweden PK +110 (90 minutes) (2.5 units to win 2.75)
    Sweden to advance +105 (2.5 units to win 2.625)

    Predicted final score Sweden 1-0

    I do think that the absence of the defenders made a difference.  And I got the score right.  Just got there in a different way than I anticipated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Sweden / Switzerland -

    I was pretty surprised to see the Swiss installed as a slight favorite here.  But even more surprised that nobody is talking about Lichsteiner and Schar both out for the Swiss on suspension.

    THIS IS THE STARTING DEFENSE ON THE RIGHT SIDE FOR ALL GROUP GAMES.

    To me, this is a big deal.  If there is one area on the field that playing together means more than others - it is in the defense - and to lose 2 guys (one of which is arguably the best player on Switzerland) that make up one side is a huge handicap.

    This on top of a Swiss side that has leaked goals already - conceding in every match letting in 2 against CR, and 1 against Brazil in their first match and Serbia.  

    The Swiss rely on the playmaking abilities of Shaqiri, Dzemaili and Xhaka - almost more Brazilian in attack than Brazil is now a days.  But after watching Shaqiri in the Premier league for tons of games - he is great when he has space - but really struggles and gets taken out of games early when marked closely and especially with size and strength.  He doesn't perform when he gets roughed up - which is precisely what I think Sweden will do from the get go.

    Once again - I think Sweden is seriously underrated here just like in their previous 3 games.  The loss of Sebastian Larsson is a big loss - but Svenson should replace him and while losing some talent-  it is a like for like switch.  

    I look for Sweden to boss the midfield, and wear down Switzerland.  Sweden's finishing has been poor, and the strikers definitely need to step up and start finishing - Forsberg, Toivenen, and Berg need to be much better from open play - only 2 of their 5 goals have been from open play (two PK, one own goal) and that just isn't good enough.  I look for them to bomb the right side of the Swiss (Swedens left attacking flank) all game with success.

    But all things point me to Sweden in this one.  Big bet for me.  I can see it being a low scoring draw, and Sweden going out on PKs, but I don't see them losing in normal play.

    Sweden PK +110 (90 minutes) (2.5 units to win 2.75)
    Sweden to advance +105 (2.5 units to win 2.625)

    Predicted final score Sweden 1-0

    I do think that the absence of the defenders made a difference.  And I got the score right.  Just got there in a different way than I anticipated.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 12:14 PM ET #546

    Thank, thank very múch

     

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    Thank, thank very múch

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 12:21 PM ET #547

    Tailed you on Sweden and the Under yesterday. Hell yeah!!!
    Nice work Vanzack..... Stay hot my man!!!

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    Tailed you on Sweden and the Under yesterday. Hell yeah!!!
    Nice work Vanzack..... Stay hot my man!!!

     
    barneybeans
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 12:34 PM ET #548

    Good work Van I had the tie  looked good for so long.
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    Good work Van I had the tie  looked good for so long.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 12:42 PM ET #549

    Sweden!  Great pick.  
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    Sweden!  Great pick.  
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2018 - 12:56 PM ET #550

    James out.
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    James out.
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