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Skanless1

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 12:32 PM ET #126

my $$s out of that shithole.

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ManassaMauler

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 12:54 PM ET #127

What a fucking disgrace

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Rocafella

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 12:56 PM ET #128

Quote Originally Posted by nick1:

Tony is just sick of hearing from all you lames, WWE are you fucking 12? Tony is a bookie not your pal, he is not being nice to you idiots cuz your little bitches that will bet on WWE and he has no respect for you. 5dimes is TITS, and im sick of you people talking shit!

Go play in traffic

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DannySchayes

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 1:32 PM ET #129

If 5Dimes gives someone these kind of problems over WrestleFUCKINGMania, imagine if you have a serious payout problem.

I've never heard another GM speak that way(constantly) to customers. It's really strange.

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nick1

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 1:33 PM ET #130

Quote Originally Posted by Rocafella:

Go play in traffic

Ill play with your wife while your wathing WWE!

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I_Need_A_Detox

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 1:35 PM ET #131

tony

what a complete idiot. if he is the owner ... he's even more of an idiot for acting like that.

5dimes

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nick1

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 1:36 PM ET #132

*watching

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Crowkillers

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 1:46 PM ET #133

Quote Originally Posted by UMF:

It says that if your a fucking degenerate loser betting 2k on a RIGGED EVENT than they are they to offer you a line. People will bet on anything.

He didn't bet 2K, he had $115 at stake to start off a progressive parlay that would have paid out 2K because he had already won the final 2 plays..

The only thing that I am not sure why he did was place the 2 earlier wagers at the tail end of the parlay with the WWE match first...

I can only assume that since the First wager with the WWE play was cancelled that there was no money left to ride on the other plays?

Is this correct Walktheline?

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vanzack

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 2:51 PM ET #134

First of all, Tony is somewhat famous (or infamous) for taking this tone. He does it consistently, and is well documented around gambling forums - it is no secret - and is well known.

That being said.... A couple of thoughts....

1. Tony deals with lying scamming bullshit artists 90% of his day. So while I am not saying his tone is acceptable in all cases, it is hard to expect the same of him as customer service from a steakhouse.

2. The nature of a wager on wrestling is ripe for interpretation, and controversy. As Tony says, it isnt hockey or football where you have established rules, it is kind of make it up as you go along. So results can and will be up for interpretation at times.

3. Tony and 5dimes are interested in grading wagers quickly, and it is very hard to take back a wager once it is graded. It is in their best interest to stick with a grading at all costs.

4. If you are going to take wagers on wrestling, than you should understand that it is not hockey or football and take appropriate actions to avoid these disputes, or dont take the wagers in the first place.

5. It is POSSIBLE, that when you have rules that are up for interpretation, and one side has all the power - that that side will abuse their power in their favor. Buyer beware.

It sounds to me like Tony stated that the winner would be the announced winner, and it sounds to me like the announced winner was the miz (whoever the fuck that is). IF that is the case, it seems pretty simple to me - but something tells me that is not exactly the case.

Should Tony be more aware of the customer and what that means? Yes. But the customer should also be aware of the industry he is participating in - it is full of scammers trying to pull off everything in the book - and Tony heads it off with a gangster attitude. But his attitude isnt what is in play here IMO - it is the logical flow of the events.

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jmw59

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 3:41 PM ET #135

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kaponofor3

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 4:21 PM ET #136

Well put, Van.

This is definitely a learning experience for me.

In terms of an update, through the assistance of some third parties who have acted somewhat as mediators for my issue with 5dimes, I've been offered two options: (1) Nothing changes and I stay at 5dimes; or (2) My Miz bets are graded as wins (approx. +$500 to my account) and my account will be closed immediately thereafter.

Tough spot to be in but I appreciate the mediators' assistance in reaching some sort of a resolution here. As much as it pains me to say it, I think I will be liking taking my +$500 to my balance and getting shown the door from 5dimes, which is a god damn shame if you ask me because they have always been a great book for me in the past. I will be very sad to leave their site.

Are there any other reduced juice books that anyone can recommend? I have open accounts at Bookmaker and BetJamaica currently but would be open to hearing suggestions that anyone else might have.

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jstnhnsly

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 4:23 PM ET #137

if i were you walktheline if you wagered on there site using your bank account i would just dispute it with your bank. all sites are offshore accounts and you will win any dispute you can burn the books this way just simply dispute with your bank. if it didnt cost you money i would wager 2x's more just on anything using your bank account and if you win then it makes up for your fk job but if you loose then simply dispute the charge any book will not be able to do anything for it is illegal in 'america' to bet sports online

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LexingtonTim

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 5:07 PM ET #138

i was contemplating a deposit today in 5dimes until i just read this! i can't do it now.

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Crowkillers

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 5:20 PM ET #139

Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

Well put, Van.

This is definitely a learning experience for me.

In terms of an update, through the assistance of some third parties who have acted somewhat as mediators for my issue with 5dimes, I've been offered two options: (1) Nothing changes and I stay at 5dimes; or (2) My Miz bets are graded as wins (approx. +$500 to my account) and my account will be closed immediately thereafter.

Tough spot to be in but I appreciate the mediators' assistance in reaching some sort of a resolution here. As much as it pains me to say it, I think I will be liking taking my +$500 to my balance and getting shown the door from 5dimes, which is a god damn shame if you ask me because they have always been a great book for me in the past. I will be very sad to leave their site.

Are there any other reduced juice books that anyone can recommend? I have open accounts at Bookmaker and BetJamaica currently but would be open to hearing suggestions that anyone else might have.

Ok... Here is what I don't quite understand from them...

If they are giving you $500 why in the Holy Hell would they want you to leave and not lose the money back to them?

It's not like you were causing them probelems before all of this started...

Why not just give you $500 and keep you around...? isn't that what books want? To keep people hanging around..? There are books out there that offer 100% bonuses every damn time you reload because they don't want you signing up anywhere else..

This tactic by 5Dimes seems very stupid on their part..

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kaponofor3

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 5:22 PM ET #140

Quote Originally Posted by Crowkillers:

Ok... Here is what I don't quite understand from them...

If they are giving you $500 why in the Holy Hell would they want you to leave and not lose the money back to them?

It's not like you were causing them probelems before all of this started...

Why not just give you $500 and keep you around...? isn't that what books want? To keep people hanging around..? There are books out there that offer 100% bonuses every damn time you reload because they don't want you signing up anywhere else..

This tactic by 5Dimes seems very stupid on their part..

No idea Crow. Like I said, I have never withdrawn from this book before, but I sure as **** have deposited money there over the years. It seems to me like I'd be the exact customer they would want? Recreational, hundred bucks here, hundred bucks there, never withdrawing, etc. Makes no business sense to me. I'd actually far more prefer to have the ticket graded as a winner with the winnings given a 5x rollover or something, but it looks like that is not an option available for me.

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Crowkillers

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 5:27 PM ET #141

Yeah.. I guess you might as well get out then...

That still shocks the Hell out of me though that they would actually pay you to leave...

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lbcake

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 5:29 PM ET #142

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walktheline

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 5:29 PM ET #143

Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

Well put, Van.

This is definitely a learning experience for me.

In terms of an update, through the assistance of some third parties who have acted somewhat as mediators for my issue with 5dimes, I've been offered two options: (1) Nothing changes and I stay at 5dimes; or (2) My Miz bets are graded as wins (approx. +$500 to my account) and my account will be closed immediately thereafter.

Tough spot to be in but I appreciate the mediators' assistance in reaching some sort of a resolution here. As much as it pains me to say it, I think I will be liking taking my +$500 to my balance and getting shown the door from 5dimes, which is a god damn shame if you ask me because they have always been a great book for me in the past. I will be very sad to leave their site.

Are there any other reduced juice books that anyone can recommend? I have open accounts at Bookmaker and BetJamaica currently but would be open to hearing suggestions that anyone else might have.

Kapono, I sent you a friend request. PM with how to get in touch with the person helping you with this issue.

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kaponofor3

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 5:30 PM ET #144

Sent you a response PM, WTL

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Crowkillers

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 5:31 PM ET #145

I got Betus.com to overturn a loss into a Push a few years ago in the Superbowl with the Cards and Steelers...

I had total number of Cardinals to score over 3(and it stated that it included kickers) for $350

Larry scored twice and Ben Patrick scored and the Kicker kicked 3 extra points, now those 3 extra points count as scores for the kicker as a TD is only worth 6 points...

They tried to tell me that it was only for Field Goals and I said look, I played this same prop before at other books and they counted Extra Points...

I told them to check NFL.com and read me back the numbers for who had scored the points... They refunded my $350 loss in about 15 minutes...

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pjrez

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 5:45 PM ET #146

Quote Originally Posted by lbcake:

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walktheline

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Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 5:46 PM ET #147

Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

First of all, Tony is somewhat famous (or infamous) for taking this tone. He does it consistently, and is well documented around gambling forums - it is no secret - and is well known.

That being said.... A couple of thoughts....

1. Tony deals with lying scamming bullshit artists 90% of his day. So while I am not saying his tone is acceptable in all cases, it is hard to expect the same of him as customer service from a steakhouse.

2. The nature of a wager on wrestling is ripe for interpretation, and controversy. As Tony says, it isnt hockey or football where you have established rules, it is kind of make it up as you go along. So results can and will be up for interpretation at times.

3. Tony and 5dimes are interested in grading wagers quickly, and it is very hard to take back a wager once it is graded. It is in their best interest to stick with a grading at all costs.

4. If you are going to take wagers on wrestling, than you should understand that it is not hockey or football and take appropriate actions to avoid these disputes, or dont take the wagers in the first place.

5. It is POSSIBLE, that when you have rules that are up for interpretation, and one side has all the power - that that side will abuse their power in their favor. Buyer beware.

It sounds to me like Tony stated that the winner would be the announced winner, and it sounds to me like the announced winner was the miz (whoever the fuck that is). IF that is the case, it seems pretty simple to me - but something tells me that is not exactly the case.

Should Tony be more aware of the customer and what that means? Yes. But the customer should also be aware of the industry he is participating in - it is full of scammers trying to pull off everything in the book - and Tony heads it off with a gangster attitude. But his attitude isnt what is in play here IMO - it is the logical flow of the events.

1. That's the business he is in. If you don't want to get dirty, don't play in the mud. Also, I'm not a scamming asshole. I'm a long time account holder.

2. Just because it was a wrestling match doesn't automatically mean that the outcome was EVER disputable. The results are clearly posted and 100/100 people that watched the match would tell you that The Miz won the match. Attempting to create a gray area just because it was an exotic wager is ridiculous.

3. They didn't grade the wager until almost 20-30 minutes after the conclusion of the event. That's been verified by several people that wagered on the event.

4. Exactly. Once again, just because it's wrestling doesn't mean it was a difficult wager to grade. Bodog and the other books got it correct, why didn't 5dimes?

5. That's the point. "I don't give a fuck what the official results posted by the WWE are." Read: "I'll grade that however the hell I want" which is right in line with "some people happy, some not." Me and Kapono = not happy. Tony = delighted.

Remember the Music City Bowl this year?

Controversy surrounded the final seconds of regulation. With North Carolina driving into Tennessee territory to try a game-tying field goal, the clock appeared to expire as the Tar Heels were getting their kicking unit onto the field, setting off a UT victory celebration. After announcing the game was over, the officiating crew decided to review the play. After further review, it was decided the ball was snapped before time expired with North Carolina having too many men on the field. After being assessed a five-yard penalty, Casey Barth kicked a 39-yard field goal to tie the game at 20-20 and send it into overtime.

What if they graded Tennessee as the winner then refused to change the grading? This event was particularly interesting as people dumped off tons of money live betting only to have it scooped up at +9999.