I'm not holding my breath waiting for a call back...........they'll find someone to buy that rig & I'll find another. There's thousands of cars out there...........
Great info gentlemen.............thank you.
zoo.........thanks for checking that out.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for a call back...........they'll find someone to buy that rig & I'll find another. There's thousands of cars out there...........
I'm not holding my breath waiting for a call back...........they'll find someone to buy that rig & I'll find another. There's thousands of cars out there...........
Thats the attitude you need when you are looking for a deal.
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
Great info gentlemen.............thank you.
zoo.........thanks for checking that out.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for a call back...........they'll find someone to buy that rig & I'll find another. There's thousands of cars out there...........
Thats the attitude you need when you are looking for a deal.
Mugg- Most good salesmen will call you back, period. Even if the price that you offered would put their vehichle "in the ditch" ( no profit or even a loss ) . The bottom line is that the dealership lost this battle when they quoted you a price of $21K and then switched you over to payment options. In the car business, the first one that speaks about price is the loser. Weather it is the customer or the dealer. Sounds to me like this is a "payment" store and not a "trade difference" or "bottom line" store. If this store has more than $16K in this Xterra and is asking $21K, then the sales manager or whoever is responsible for it being on the lot doesn't know a lot about car sales. Castor has some very valid points about the car business but it sounds to me like he is at a store that has been around for awhile and has a lot of return and referral business. Some stores that are fairly new or that are not well known probably are struggling more than they expected when they got into this business. Established stores with good salespeople and good SM and GM should always have few problems selling vehichles. But back to your $16K offer, sure they may have laughed at that offer but who really knows what this ride is worth. I learned a long time ago that ANY vehichle is worth what someone will pay for it. NADA or any other book that publishes prices on cars will never be "on the money" for every ride. Too many variables to consider. I once saw one of my SM throw a NADA book on the floor after a customer said that the book says the car is worth so much and he said, "Book ! Book ! What is this car worth? See sir, books don't buy and sell cars every day like we do." In essence he was saying that the people in the car business should know what a vehicle is worth in their particular area just a tad more than some book. Most dealers use NADA books as a reference and not as a " fixed " value. And as for the payment strategy that they tried on you, it is good for the dealership. Well, at least for the finance dept. Sales could care less how a customer pays. It is like robbing from Peter to pay Paul but that is the way car dealerships are run. I always got tired of hassling with my parts dept. over prices on after market accesories. Just never made much sense to me. So, if the dealership does not call you back, then they obviously don't want your business or at least that is what they think. Because every store should want ANY business. I wouuld just guess that you could buy this Xterra for $17,500 or $18 if this store has close to $16K in it. If they did have that much in it, they would be stupid not to take this deal. One last option to you would be to go into the store late in the month (on the last Wednesday if possible ) See if you can get a look at the sales board with X's on it. Most dealers will have a box on eevrey salesman's name that is colored in fully. For instance if I set a goal for a guy to sell 20 in a month then the 20 box is shaded in. If the X's on most of the guys are no where near the shaded area, then they will (should ) be ready to negotiate moreso than before. Bottom line is, if you don't feel comfortable buying this Xterra, then don't do it. I would definitely not reccomend it and if you do end up buying it, take a good long look at ANY warranty that the manufacturer may sstill have on it on take two long looks at ANY extended service plan that they offer. Hope some of this helps. Good luck.
Mugg- Most good salesmen will call you back, period. Even if the price that you offered would put their vehichle "in the ditch" ( no profit or even a loss ) . The bottom line is that the dealership lost this battle when they quoted you a price of $21K and then switched you over to payment options. In the car business, the first one that speaks about price is the loser. Weather it is the customer or the dealer. Sounds to me like this is a "payment" store and not a "trade difference" or "bottom line" store. If this store has more than $16K in this Xterra and is asking $21K, then the sales manager or whoever is responsible for it being on the lot doesn't know a lot about car sales. Castor has some very valid points about the car business but it sounds to me like he is at a store that has been around for awhile and has a lot of return and referral business. Some stores that are fairly new or that are not well known probably are struggling more than they expected when they got into this business. Established stores with good salespeople and good SM and GM should always have few problems selling vehichles. But back to your $16K offer, sure they may have laughed at that offer but who really knows what this ride is worth. I learned a long time ago that ANY vehichle is worth what someone will pay for it. NADA or any other book that publishes prices on cars will never be "on the money" for every ride. Too many variables to consider. I once saw one of my SM throw a NADA book on the floor after a customer said that the book says the car is worth so much and he said, "Book ! Book ! What is this car worth? See sir, books don't buy and sell cars every day like we do." In essence he was saying that the people in the car business should know what a vehicle is worth in their particular area just a tad more than some book. Most dealers use NADA books as a reference and not as a " fixed " value. And as for the payment strategy that they tried on you, it is good for the dealership. Well, at least for the finance dept. Sales could care less how a customer pays. It is like robbing from Peter to pay Paul but that is the way car dealerships are run. I always got tired of hassling with my parts dept. over prices on after market accesories. Just never made much sense to me. So, if the dealership does not call you back, then they obviously don't want your business or at least that is what they think. Because every store should want ANY business. I wouuld just guess that you could buy this Xterra for $17,500 or $18 if this store has close to $16K in it. If they did have that much in it, they would be stupid not to take this deal. One last option to you would be to go into the store late in the month (on the last Wednesday if possible ) See if you can get a look at the sales board with X's on it. Most dealers will have a box on eevrey salesman's name that is colored in fully. For instance if I set a goal for a guy to sell 20 in a month then the 20 box is shaded in. If the X's on most of the guys are no where near the shaded area, then they will (should ) be ready to negotiate moreso than before. Bottom line is, if you don't feel comfortable buying this Xterra, then don't do it. I would definitely not reccomend it and if you do end up buying it, take a good long look at ANY warranty that the manufacturer may sstill have on it on take two long looks at ANY extended service plan that they offer. Hope some of this helps. Good luck.
In my opinion and experience is to not fall in love with the car that you want. This is the same for houses or anything else that is "negotiable". This way you will be able to negotiate with the right frame of mind. Realize though that many times they will call your bluff and not call you back or budge.
Just come up with the amount of money that you are willing to pay and tell them that and stick to it.
It is that simple. Put the ball in their court. At that point it is up to them to make the call.
That way you ake the BS and pussyfooting around out of the equation.
In my opinion and experience is to not fall in love with the car that you want. This is the same for houses or anything else that is "negotiable". This way you will be able to negotiate with the right frame of mind. Realize though that many times they will call your bluff and not call you back or budge.
Just come up with the amount of money that you are willing to pay and tell them that and stick to it.
It is that simple. Put the ball in their court. At that point it is up to them to make the call.
That way you ake the BS and pussyfooting around out of the equation.
MUGG ~ There are six '08 Xterras for sale around the Seattle area on VEHIX.COM.They rangein price from $19,888 to $21,995.I'm not sure exactly where you are shopping but you can alter the search to reflect any zip code.On a side note,I would eliminate any vehicle that is a grounded rental car.LINK
castor_troy ~ I didn't intend on coming across as confrontational,but those sales numbers coming out of Texas really surprised me.
MUGG ~ There are six '08 Xterras for sale around the Seattle area on VEHIX.COM.They rangein price from $19,888 to $21,995.I'm not sure exactly where you are shopping but you can alter the search to reflect any zip code.On a side note,I would eliminate any vehicle that is a grounded rental car.LINK
castor_troy ~ I didn't intend on coming across as confrontational,but those sales numbers coming out of Texas really surprised me.
the dealers arent hurting..thats why a crap load of them are closing doors. the unions to blame?? what unions? the autoworkers? the uaw are the reason cars arent selling? they were selling like hotcakes a few years ago..ohhh we couldnt afford them then either...it caught up with us
the dealers arent hurting..thats why a crap load of them are closing doors. the unions to blame?? what unions? the autoworkers? the uaw are the reason cars arent selling? they were selling like hotcakes a few years ago..ohhh we couldnt afford them then either...it caught up with us
Everybody always disagrees with me on this but I find it better to buy new cars. If you get a popular model, resale seems to be okay and you get the free maintenance and stuff. Little stuff like new tires, nobody farting in your car, etc.
I just glanced at the nissan site and it looks like sticker on a new one is around $30k, can probably get a brand new one for $25k and you've got a whole year less deprecation.
Everybody always disagrees with me on this but I find it better to buy new cars. If you get a popular model, resale seems to be okay and you get the free maintenance and stuff. Little stuff like new tires, nobody farting in your car, etc.
I just glanced at the nissan site and it looks like sticker on a new one is around $30k, can probably get a brand new one for $25k and you've got a whole year less deprecation.
you know whos prospering right now? not the car dealers..its walmart...people who offer low prices..why so low?? they off no health benefits etc... and who pays for the long term health care? not walmart or mickeyD's... we do Unions are the reason?..what a dope.. unions pry the benifits from greedy corporate scumbags who want all the money for themselves..why take care of the people who built your business from the ground. the ones who actually build your product. hey i can get a couple of mexicans to sell cars for a bowl of rice a day...FUCK YOU
you know whos prospering right now? not the car dealers..its walmart...people who offer low prices..why so low?? they off no health benefits etc... and who pays for the long term health care? not walmart or mickeyD's... we do Unions are the reason?..what a dope.. unions pry the benifits from greedy corporate scumbags who want all the money for themselves..why take care of the people who built your business from the ground. the ones who actually build your product. hey i can get a couple of mexicans to sell cars for a bowl of rice a day...FUCK YOU
Why do they not make vinyl seats any more? I would pay EXTRA for vinyl seats. Easy to clean and when there are dogs and stuff jumping in and out, easier to maintain.
That is one hideously ugly vehicle though.
Speaking of cars.....
Why do they not make vinyl seats any more? I would pay EXTRA for vinyl seats. Easy to clean and when there are dogs and stuff jumping in and out, easier to maintain.
you think nike who makes a pair of shoes for like 12 cents charges 100bucks a pair for shoes because of union labor?? they use children..they are greedy corporate scum who rape the country.. for 100dollars a pair they could afford to pay someone 20bucks an hour to make shoes
you think nike who makes a pair of shoes for like 12 cents charges 100bucks a pair for shoes because of union labor?? they use children..they are greedy corporate scum who rape the country.. for 100dollars a pair they could afford to pay someone 20bucks an hour to make shoes
Here is a question for you dealers (I sold cars years ago, just a tough miserable profession in general)
I have a friend who is a single father and raising a few kids and I was thinking about getting him a vehicle since I know he doesnt have much.
Anyone have connections to dealer auctions in PHX that could get me a great value deal on a car, I would pay a little vig but I am talking under 5k on total cost.
Any help would be appreciated..I can go look around for resale here, dont want to go haggle at a dealer for retail, would I be better off trying to deal with the wholesaler at a dealership and offer to buy instead of them going to the auction?
The car isnt for me but I know how it works so my question is the best value for a person in NEED of a decent used car.
Here is a question for you dealers (I sold cars years ago, just a tough miserable profession in general)
I have a friend who is a single father and raising a few kids and I was thinking about getting him a vehicle since I know he doesnt have much.
Anyone have connections to dealer auctions in PHX that could get me a great value deal on a car, I would pay a little vig but I am talking under 5k on total cost.
Any help would be appreciated..I can go look around for resale here, dont want to go haggle at a dealer for retail, would I be better off trying to deal with the wholesaler at a dealership and offer to buy instead of them going to the auction?
The car isnt for me but I know how it works so my question is the best value for a person in NEED of a decent used car.
Here is a question for you dealers (I sold cars years ago, just a tough miserable profession in general)
I have a friend who is a single father and raising a few kids and I was thinking about getting him a vehicle since I know he doesnt have much.
Anyone have connections to dealer auctions in PHX that could get me a great value deal on a car, I would pay a little vig but I am talking under 5k on total cost.
Any help would be appreciated..I can go look around for resale here, dont want to go haggle at a dealer for retail, would I be better off trying to deal with the wholesaler at a dealership and offer to buy instead of them going to the auction?
The car isnt for me but I know how it works so my question is the best value for a person in NEED of a decent used car.
Sure, what do you want your payment to be?
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Here is a question for you dealers (I sold cars years ago, just a tough miserable profession in general)
I have a friend who is a single father and raising a few kids and I was thinking about getting him a vehicle since I know he doesnt have much.
Anyone have connections to dealer auctions in PHX that could get me a great value deal on a car, I would pay a little vig but I am talking under 5k on total cost.
Any help would be appreciated..I can go look around for resale here, dont want to go haggle at a dealer for retail, would I be better off trying to deal with the wholesaler at a dealership and offer to buy instead of them going to the auction?
The car isnt for me but I know how it works so my question is the best value for a person in NEED of a decent used car.
For a normal vehicle, I normally pull up invoice on edmunds or something..... add $1,500 to it and offer them that.... or back into $5k off of sticker or whatever it comes to.
Did that a few years ago with some newer sales associate and he had to go get a more senior person who came over wanted a $100 more to "justify his time" in the transaction.
Boy oh boy, shrimp had a field day with this one.....
Look pimps, I'm not holding a free training session here. You can train junior on your time, now "I'm gonna need a $100 bucks to explain it to you !!"
The Manager got involved. Good Times !!!!!
For a normal vehicle, I normally pull up invoice on edmunds or something..... add $1,500 to it and offer them that.... or back into $5k off of sticker or whatever it comes to.
Did that a few years ago with some newer sales associate and he had to go get a more senior person who came over wanted a $100 more to "justify his time" in the transaction.
Boy oh boy, shrimp had a field day with this one.....
Look pimps, I'm not holding a free training session here. You can train junior on your time, now "I'm gonna need a $100 bucks to explain it to you !!"
Check out 'Texas Direct' on ebay, Rick is a friend of mine and does a great job and is very reasonable. You'll be glad you did.
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