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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2015 - 6:30 PM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


     
    Walmart knows ALL demographic info about their customers, they know their spending habits, they know their core audience..unlike how you are acting here, they really know who their customers are.

    SOOOOOO.......Walmart knows their customer base...CHECK...Walmart intentionally plans their designs and layout to maximize profits...CHECK...what else is there?

     

    Now, Boy, you bettah be listenin' to me damn-strait..........

    Where else am I a-gonna gits mah fishin' lures, mah new gun, and mah old one reloaded, chips and sody-pop for the young-uns, some tents for A-Campin', and tha' tires rotated on the 1971 Ford Ranger??????

    Now, you'se tell me where I can a gits that

    ALL IN ONE STOP!!!!!!!! 

    GIT-R-DUNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!!

    DALE JUNIOR!!!!!!!!!!

    YEEEEEEEEEEE-HAWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Walmart knows ALL demographic info about their customers, they know their spending habits, they know their core audience..unlike how you are acting here, they really know who their customers are.

    SOOOOOO.......Walmart knows their customer base...CHECK...Walmart intentionally plans their designs and layout to maximize profits...CHECK...what else is there?

     

    Now, Boy, you bettah be listenin' to me damn-strait..........

    Where else am I a-gonna gits mah fishin' lures, mah new gun, and mah old one reloaded, chips and sody-pop for the young-uns, some tents for A-Campin', and tha' tires rotated on the 1971 Ford Ranger??????

    Now, you'se tell me where I can a gits that

    ALL IN ONE STOP!!!!!!!! 

    GIT-R-DUNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!!

    DALE JUNIOR!!!!!!!!!!

    YEEEEEEEEEEE-HAWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2015 - 4:25 AM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Ok I kind of thought you were a bit smarter than this so I didnt spell it out so bluntly and detailed, but as this keeps going on I have to keep telling you more and more of stuff you SHOULD know..

    So now that we have it out there that they plan their store to max profits, which you SHOULD know already...

    Next...who is their target demographic, their target audience?

    If you are unwilling or able to accept that their target employee base and customer demographic are lower income, again you are being seriously foolish.

    Walmart knows ALL demographic info about their customers, they know their spending habits, they know their core audience..unlike how you are acting here, they really know who their customers are.

    SOOOOOO.......Walmart knows their customer base...CHECK...Walmart intentionally plans their designs and layout to maximize profits...CHECK...what else is there?

    They know what products give them more margin, they know how to draw the mouse into the maze and get them to spend more money. I really dont get why you are being so dense about this. Walmart employs and sells to low income people using tactics which exploit their knowledge about their customer base to MAXIMIZE profits.

    This is quite simple...wake up!

    All of this assumes that walmart shoppers are uneducated??  Maybe they just like to shop cheap.  Again, just because someone is poor does not make them uneducated.  So, they tailor to their base?  But why do you insist on calling their base uneducated?  Spell that out for me please.  Why are you privileged to know this?  Or are you stereotyping their shoppers?

     

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    Ok I kind of thought you were a bit smarter than this so I didnt spell it out so bluntly and detailed, but as this keeps going on I have to keep telling you more and more of stuff you SHOULD know..

    So now that we have it out there that they plan their store to max profits, which you SHOULD know already...

    Next...who is their target demographic, their target audience?

    If you are unwilling or able to accept that their target employee base and customer demographic are lower income, again you are being seriously foolish.

    Walmart knows ALL demographic info about their customers, they know their spending habits, they know their core audience..unlike how you are acting here, they really know who their customers are.

    SOOOOOO.......Walmart knows their customer base...CHECK...Walmart intentionally plans their designs and layout to maximize profits...CHECK...what else is there?

    They know what products give them more margin, they know how to draw the mouse into the maze and get them to spend more money. I really dont get why you are being so dense about this. Walmart employs and sells to low income people using tactics which exploit their knowledge about their customer base to MAXIMIZE profits.

    This is quite simple...wake up!

    All of this assumes that walmart shoppers are uneducated??  Maybe they just like to shop cheap.  Again, just because someone is poor does not make them uneducated.  So, they tailor to their base?  But why do you insist on calling their base uneducated?  Spell that out for me please.  Why are you privileged to know this?  Or are you stereotyping their shoppers?

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2015 - 6:31 AM ET #78

    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:



     

    Now, Boy, you bettah be listenin' to me damn-strait..........
    Where else am I a-gonna gits mah fishin' lures, mah new gun, and mah old one reloaded, chips and sody-pop for the young-uns, some tents for A-Campin', and tha' tires rotated on the 1971 Ford Ranger??????
    Now, you'se tell me where I can a gits that
    ALL IN ONE STOP!!!!!!!! 
    GIT-R-DUNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!!
    DALE JUNIOR!!!!!!!!!!
    YEEEEEEEEEEE-HAWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Ummmmm what?!?!
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    Now, Boy, you bettah be listenin' to me damn-strait..........
    Where else am I a-gonna gits mah fishin' lures, mah new gun, and mah old one reloaded, chips and sody-pop for the young-uns, some tents for A-Campin', and tha' tires rotated on the 1971 Ford Ranger??????
    Now, you'se tell me where I can a gits that
    ALL IN ONE STOP!!!!!!!! 
    GIT-R-DUNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!!
    DALE JUNIOR!!!!!!!!!!
    YEEEEEEEEEEE-HAWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Ummmmm what?!?!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2015 - 11:29 AM ET #79

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    All of this assumes that walmart shoppers are uneducated??  Maybe they just like to shop cheap.  Again, just because someone is poor does not make them uneducated.  So, they tailor to their base?  But why do you insist on calling their base uneducated?  Spell that out for me please.  Why are you privileged to know this?  Or are you stereotyping their shoppers?

     


    Playing dumb again, that or you really do not go into an average Walmart because we both know (well I know) from mere observation that the average Walmart shopper is not comparing SKU numbers and looking at nutritional information before making their purchase.

    Arguing silly things for the sake of arguing is not debating. If you are not able to determine based on logical observation what I have been saying, then again you are either intentionally looking to fight or you just really are not too smart yourself.

    I also think you are undervaluing the savvy of Walmart when you suggest they are not fully taking advantage of their demographic data and are not looking to maximize profits as I suggest they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    All of this assumes that walmart shoppers are uneducated??  Maybe they just like to shop cheap.  Again, just because someone is poor does not make them uneducated.  So, they tailor to their base?  But why do you insist on calling their base uneducated?  Spell that out for me please.  Why are you privileged to know this?  Or are you stereotyping their shoppers?

     


    Playing dumb again, that or you really do not go into an average Walmart because we both know (well I know) from mere observation that the average Walmart shopper is not comparing SKU numbers and looking at nutritional information before making their purchase.

    Arguing silly things for the sake of arguing is not debating. If you are not able to determine based on logical observation what I have been saying, then again you are either intentionally looking to fight or you just really are not too smart yourself.

    I also think you are undervaluing the savvy of Walmart when you suggest they are not fully taking advantage of their demographic data and are not looking to maximize profits as I suggest they are.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2015 - 2:31 PM ET #80

    He's running out of scripted insults and is starting meltdown.

    Pleas excuse him as he is starting to fall to pieces
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    Pleas excuse him as he is starting to fall to pieces
     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2015 - 7:46 PM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Playing dumb again, that or you really do not go into an average Walmart because we both know (well I know) from mere observation that the average Walmart shopper is not comparing SKU numbers and looking at nutritional information before making their purchase.

    Arguing silly things for the sake of arguing is not debating. If you are not able to determine based on logical observation what I have been saying, then again you are either intentionally looking to fight or you just really are not too smart yourself.

    I also think you are undervaluing the savvy of Walmart when you suggest they are not fully taking advantage of their demographic data and are not looking to maximize profits as I suggest they are.

    He's just trying to get you to stereotype the "average" WalMart shopper. Of course that would be a cornucopia of Americana from the bottom to the top. I have a friend who is a bank president who shops WalMart for big ticket items but never for small necessities. Same story. Too much hassle to fight with the "regular" clientele for a parking spot, and service is beyond bad because of the indifference of the average employee.

    I suppose they fill a niche for both government aided employees and customers.
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    Playing dumb again, that or you really do not go into an average Walmart because we both know (well I know) from mere observation that the average Walmart shopper is not comparing SKU numbers and looking at nutritional information before making their purchase.

    Arguing silly things for the sake of arguing is not debating. If you are not able to determine based on logical observation what I have been saying, then again you are either intentionally looking to fight or you just really are not too smart yourself.

    I also think you are undervaluing the savvy of Walmart when you suggest they are not fully taking advantage of their demographic data and are not looking to maximize profits as I suggest they are.

    He's just trying to get you to stereotype the "average" WalMart shopper. Of course that would be a cornucopia of Americana from the bottom to the top. I have a friend who is a bank president who shops WalMart for big ticket items but never for small necessities. Same story. Too much hassle to fight with the "regular" clientele for a parking spot, and service is beyond bad because of the indifference of the average employee.

    I suppose they fill a niche for both government aided employees and customers.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2015 - 7:38 AM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Playing dumb again, that or you really do not go into an average Walmart because we both know (well I know) from mere observation that the average Walmart shopper is not comparing SKU numbers and looking at nutritional information before making their purchase.

    Arguing silly things for the sake of arguing is not debating. If you are not able to determine based on logical observation what I have been saying, then again you are either intentionally looking to fight or you just really are not too smart yourself.

    I also think you are undervaluing the savvy of Walmart when you suggest they are not fully taking advantage of their demographic data and are not looking to maximize profits as I suggest they are.
    Yes. But I get your point.  My point is...so what?  This is no different than other retailers or grocers marketing.  Why is Walmart so evil to you?  Of course if someone preyed on rich (and many do) they are not seen as evil. Why is that?  
    I understand Walmart shoppers aren't comparing nutritional values as much as looking at price.  My point is so do most people at Kroger or wherever. Right?  It is not as if Walmart is lying. No more than anyone else.  I think it would be playing dumb to think that.  All business market to their base.  Here on Covers advertisers do it. It is the way of the world for the uneducated and the educated. All to maximize profits. 
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    Playing dumb again, that or you really do not go into an average Walmart because we both know (well I know) from mere observation that the average Walmart shopper is not comparing SKU numbers and looking at nutritional information before making their purchase.

    Arguing silly things for the sake of arguing is not debating. If you are not able to determine based on logical observation what I have been saying, then again you are either intentionally looking to fight or you just really are not too smart yourself.

    I also think you are undervaluing the savvy of Walmart when you suggest they are not fully taking advantage of their demographic data and are not looking to maximize profits as I suggest they are.
    Yes. But I get your point.  My point is...so what?  This is no different than other retailers or grocers marketing.  Why is Walmart so evil to you?  Of course if someone preyed on rich (and many do) they are not seen as evil. Why is that?  
    I understand Walmart shoppers aren't comparing nutritional values as much as looking at price.  My point is so do most people at Kroger or wherever. Right?  It is not as if Walmart is lying. No more than anyone else.  I think it would be playing dumb to think that.  All business market to their base.  Here on Covers advertisers do it. It is the way of the world for the uneducated and the educated. All to maximize profits. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Getty3:


    He's just trying to get you to stereotype the "average" WalMart shopper. Of course that would be a cornucopia of Americana from the bottom to the top. I have a friend who is a bank president who shops WalMart for big ticket items but never for small necessities. Same story. Too much hassle to fight with the "regular" clientele for a parking spot, and service is beyond bad because of the indifference of the average employee.

    I suppose they fill a niche for both government aided employees and customers.
    Really I am not. He already did that. I am just trying to clarify what is different about what they do as opposed to others that cater to their stereotypical customer is all. 
    I just cannot understand the hatred of successful businesses or people in general.  Banks, oil, Walmart, Trump, any successful person or business.  I understand not liking if the do illegal or deceptive things for their success. Sure some do and they get hammered for it.  But by and large most are not nearly as bad as we all seem to try to make them out to be. 
    You are correct. Your time is important and ambiance, I guess. So maybe it is not 'convenient' to shop there for some.  But I think they have an elite model. Sell mass, sell many products, and sell cheap.  That should cater to a lot more than poor and/or uneducated.  My contention is that it is obvious that it does. 
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    He's just trying to get you to stereotype the "average" WalMart shopper. Of course that would be a cornucopia of Americana from the bottom to the top. I have a friend who is a bank president who shops WalMart for big ticket items but never for small necessities. Same story. Too much hassle to fight with the "regular" clientele for a parking spot, and service is beyond bad because of the indifference of the average employee.

    I suppose they fill a niche for both government aided employees and customers.
    Really I am not. He already did that. I am just trying to clarify what is different about what they do as opposed to others that cater to their stereotypical customer is all. 
    I just cannot understand the hatred of successful businesses or people in general.  Banks, oil, Walmart, Trump, any successful person or business.  I understand not liking if the do illegal or deceptive things for their success. Sure some do and they get hammered for it.  But by and large most are not nearly as bad as we all seem to try to make them out to be. 
    You are correct. Your time is important and ambiance, I guess. So maybe it is not 'convenient' to shop there for some.  But I think they have an elite model. Sell mass, sell many products, and sell cheap.  That should cater to a lot more than poor and/or uneducated.  My contention is that it is obvious that it does. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2015 - 11:16 AM ET #84

    Really?

    Why am I bothered that Walmart abuses its customer base and employees to achieve its profit goals and executive compensation?

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    Really?

    Why am I bothered that Walmart abuses its customer base and employees to achieve its profit goals and executive compensation?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2015 - 1:59 PM ET #85

    They don't abuse them. Otherwise people go work/ship elsewhere. That's my point. You haven't shown me that they do this. 
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    They don't abuse them. Otherwise people go work/ship elsewhere. That's my point. You haven't shown me that they do this. 
     
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    At least anymore than any other store does. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    They don't abuse them. Otherwise people go work/ship elsewhere. That's my point. You haven't shown me that they do this. 

    I am considering your replies here to be similar that you are looking to refute without reality...so saying I havent shown you makes zero sense.

    Are you really unable to observe and draw a conclusion based on what is obvious or are you requiring a paid survey to show what is so easy to see?

    If I walk into a landfill and see a bunch of junk, do I need someone to tell me it is a dump site, do I need someone else to state the obvious or can I draw conclusions based on what is easy to see and simple to conclude?

    The more you reply like this, the more it is obvious what your intentions are and what you are trying to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    They don't abuse them. Otherwise people go work/ship elsewhere. That's my point. You haven't shown me that they do this. 

    I am considering your replies here to be similar that you are looking to refute without reality...so saying I havent shown you makes zero sense.

    Are you really unable to observe and draw a conclusion based on what is obvious or are you requiring a paid survey to show what is so easy to see?

    If I walk into a landfill and see a bunch of junk, do I need someone to tell me it is a dump site, do I need someone else to state the obvious or can I draw conclusions based on what is easy to see and simple to conclude?

    The more you reply like this, the more it is obvious what your intentions are and what you are trying to do.
     
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    Yes. Paid survey is fine.  
    What exactly are they doing that is so different??  It is not the same as China and child labor or communist with one store to choose from. 
    I sincerely have no idea why you hate them more than another. It would seem simply because they are the biggest. 
    If you all of a sudden took away Walmart. Don't you think it would be a blow to the people that actually prefer to shop there and the ones that choose to work there?
    You don't seem to have any real reason that they take advantage of 'uneducated' people anymore than other stores do.  That is the whole point in marketing and in leveling out a workforce. Right?
    Please give exact specifics to what Walmart does?  Do you think they trick people into buying more expensive but less nutritious foods?  Because they certainly aren't selling more expensive?  And people that work there can leave at any time for 'better' jobs or they can move up at Walmart as a lot of them do. 
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    Yes. Paid survey is fine.  
    What exactly are they doing that is so different??  It is not the same as China and child labor or communist with one store to choose from. 
    I sincerely have no idea why you hate them more than another. It would seem simply because they are the biggest. 
    If you all of a sudden took away Walmart. Don't you think it would be a blow to the people that actually prefer to shop there and the ones that choose to work there?
    You don't seem to have any real reason that they take advantage of 'uneducated' people anymore than other stores do.  That is the whole point in marketing and in leveling out a workforce. Right?
    Please give exact specifics to what Walmart does?  Do you think they trick people into buying more expensive but less nutritious foods?  Because they certainly aren't selling more expensive?  And people that work there can leave at any time for 'better' jobs or they can move up at Walmart as a lot of them do. 
     
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    Really?

    Why am I bothered that Walmart abuses its customer base and employees to achieve its profit goals and executive compensation?

    I worked there for two years in high school, I really don't see where the abuse is coming from? Was it a crap wage, of course it was, but did I deserve more for the work I did? They have some benefits, you can take advantage of. When I was there they had an employee stock purchase plan that they matched(that's where I first started investing). Management wasn't bad and if I wanted a day off of work, I could take it. 

    It's really not meant to be a career and I think that's where the problem lies with most of the people that complain about wal mart. It's a starting point, nothing more nothing less. Use it to get a little extra cash and go to school to get a real career. There is not one person that works there that can't get a federal pell Grant to go to school with. 


    As far as taking advantage of its customers, how can you possibly say that someone is being taken advantage of when they have a choice to shop there or not?
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    Really?

    Why am I bothered that Walmart abuses its customer base and employees to achieve its profit goals and executive compensation?

    I worked there for two years in high school, I really don't see where the abuse is coming from? Was it a crap wage, of course it was, but did I deserve more for the work I did? They have some benefits, you can take advantage of. When I was there they had an employee stock purchase plan that they matched(that's where I first started investing). Management wasn't bad and if I wanted a day off of work, I could take it. 

    It's really not meant to be a career and I think that's where the problem lies with most of the people that complain about wal mart. It's a starting point, nothing more nothing less. Use it to get a little extra cash and go to school to get a real career. There is not one person that works there that can't get a federal pell Grant to go to school with. 


    As far as taking advantage of its customers, how can you possibly say that someone is being taken advantage of when they have a choice to shop there or not?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill702:

    I worked there for two years in high school, I really don't see where the abuse is coming from? Was it a crap wage, of course it was, but did I deserve more for the work I did? They have some benefits, you can take advantage of. When I was there they had an employee stock purchase plan that they matched(that's where I first started investing). Management wasn't bad and if I wanted a day off of work, I could take it. 

    It's really not meant to be a career and I think that's where the problem lies with most of the people that complain about wal mart. It's a starting point, nothing more nothing less. Use it to get a little extra cash and go to school to get a real career. There is not one person that works there that can't get a federal pell Grant to go to school with. 


    As far as taking advantage of its customers, how can you possibly say that someone is being taken advantage of when they have a choice to shop there or not?

    Two things..
     
    First, just because you didnt feel like you were being oppressed or taken advantage of, does that mean you arent? That is silly to say that because you werent being literally abused that the concept of taking advantage of the lower class employee doesnt fit. Walmart knows what they offer is needed by the lower class, they know that they can pay tepid wages, not really be concerned with developing their employees or furthering them past just using them like an orange and tossing them aside.

    The reason the conditions of the stores are so poor, the morale of the employee in general is so low, that there is no interaction or sense of pride, that people just like you take the job to make some cash and who cares, that is intentional..they know all this.

    It costs money and effort to develop employees, it takes a serious commitment. Firms with bad margins and high churn are not wanting to invest in their employees and the reason is short term labor savings and no real commitment to retaining employees or developing them.

    I consider that taking advantage, you can go into most any Walmarts and see this in action, or better lack of action and it is just sad to be honest. Its like the organization knows that the employees hate their jobs, that the employee turnover will always be terrible and who cares...

    Second..intentional product placement to take advantage of lesser educated people is abusing them...placing product as they do to max profits isnt serving the customer in a respectful way. It isnt how I would want to do business myself. They treat their customers, their employees like cattle...shove them through the line, dont worry about the customer or if your store is clean or if your employees give a crap about the customer or the organization.

    Your experience at Walmart is exactly par for the course, and it is the sign of a seriously sick organization.
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    I worked there for two years in high school, I really don't see where the abuse is coming from? Was it a crap wage, of course it was, but did I deserve more for the work I did? They have some benefits, you can take advantage of. When I was there they had an employee stock purchase plan that they matched(that's where I first started investing). Management wasn't bad and if I wanted a day off of work, I could take it. 

    It's really not meant to be a career and I think that's where the problem lies with most of the people that complain about wal mart. It's a starting point, nothing more nothing less. Use it to get a little extra cash and go to school to get a real career. There is not one person that works there that can't get a federal pell Grant to go to school with. 


    As far as taking advantage of its customers, how can you possibly say that someone is being taken advantage of when they have a choice to shop there or not?

    Two things..
     
    First, just because you didnt feel like you were being oppressed or taken advantage of, does that mean you arent? That is silly to say that because you werent being literally abused that the concept of taking advantage of the lower class employee doesnt fit. Walmart knows what they offer is needed by the lower class, they know that they can pay tepid wages, not really be concerned with developing their employees or furthering them past just using them like an orange and tossing them aside.

    The reason the conditions of the stores are so poor, the morale of the employee in general is so low, that there is no interaction or sense of pride, that people just like you take the job to make some cash and who cares, that is intentional..they know all this.

    It costs money and effort to develop employees, it takes a serious commitment. Firms with bad margins and high churn are not wanting to invest in their employees and the reason is short term labor savings and no real commitment to retaining employees or developing them.

    I consider that taking advantage, you can go into most any Walmarts and see this in action, or better lack of action and it is just sad to be honest. Its like the organization knows that the employees hate their jobs, that the employee turnover will always be terrible and who cares...

    Second..intentional product placement to take advantage of lesser educated people is abusing them...placing product as they do to max profits isnt serving the customer in a respectful way. It isnt how I would want to do business myself. They treat their customers, their employees like cattle...shove them through the line, dont worry about the customer or if your store is clean or if your employees give a crap about the customer or the organization.

    Your experience at Walmart is exactly par for the course, and it is the sign of a seriously sick organization.
     
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    Sure. I give you that you may not know you are being abused. Okay. 
    Now lots of folks pay tepid wages. Right?  Even less tepid wages than Walmart. Is that also correct?
    Walmart had a manager training program. Right?  Some companies do not even have a manager training programs. Is that also correct?
    Walmart offers most of the same groceries Kroger offers. Right?  The lower class also need these. Is that also correct? 
     
    So I don't see any difference here.  And a valid argument could be made that the folks at Kroger take more advantage of the poor than Walmart --- because they charge more. 

    Yet you hate Walmart more than Kroger. 
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    Sure. I give you that you may not know you are being abused. Okay. 
    Now lots of folks pay tepid wages. Right?  Even less tepid wages than Walmart. Is that also correct?
    Walmart had a manager training program. Right?  Some companies do not even have a manager training programs. Is that also correct?
    Walmart offers most of the same groceries Kroger offers. Right?  The lower class also need these. Is that also correct? 
     
    So I don't see any difference here.  And a valid argument could be made that the folks at Kroger take more advantage of the poor than Walmart --- because they charge more. 

    Yet you hate Walmart more than Kroger. 
     
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    No idea about where you got the moral and pride thing and how you compared that.  You may be right. But at this point with no information on it --- we have to assume it is your educated opinion only.  May be right; may be wrong.  I have not seen a moral comparison.  If you have ....?
    I contend conditions are partially a symptom of mass and quantity. 
    No idea how you see the moral. But Walmart people are always friendly when I go there.  Asking if I need help. And if I ask where something is they are glad to point it out. Nobody in Kroger asks if I need help. 
    Incidentally I have notice this at Lowes in comparison to Home Depot as well.  HD more high end. But Lowes more customer friendly. At least to me. 
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    No idea about where you got the moral and pride thing and how you compared that.  You may be right. But at this point with no information on it --- we have to assume it is your educated opinion only.  May be right; may be wrong.  I have not seen a moral comparison.  If you have ....?
    I contend conditions are partially a symptom of mass and quantity. 
    No idea how you see the moral. But Walmart people are always friendly when I go there.  Asking if I need help. And if I ask where something is they are glad to point it out. Nobody in Kroger asks if I need help. 
    Incidentally I have notice this at Lowes in comparison to Home Depot as well.  HD more high end. But Lowes more customer friendly. At least to me. 
     
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    Product placement is done in all stores.  This is nearly standard if you go to any grocery it is nearly identical. 
    On this you will have to show me actual studies where you have seen Walmart doing this to take advantage of 'uneducated' people more than other stores. 
    Show me this --- or you are dead wrong on this one. No difference j have seen at all.  I need studies or examples of actual product placement that is different. 
    They may be pushing people through the lines. I will give you that.  They have more customers. So they have to move them faster.  But in my experience Walmart is WAY slower getting people through the lines. I do not like that about them. 
    But they do have self-checkout. It makes it so much easier.  And this applies to all grocers. 
    I don't know.  You just seem way too vague and have a vendetta or something against Walmart.  Sure the ambiance is not Harris Teeter; but the prices aren't either.
    It is as if you made your mind up in advance about not liking them and are now simply trying to obliquely justify it. 
    But to each his own I guess. We all got to have our pet peeves and preferences. 
    Glad you can afford to shop where you like and don't have to shop at Walmart.
    Some of the folks that are even less fortunate than people lucky enough to actually work at Walmart are very thankful to have Walmart to shop at.  Evidenced by their popularity. 
     
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    Product placement is done in all stores.  This is nearly standard if you go to any grocery it is nearly identical. 
    On this you will have to show me actual studies where you have seen Walmart doing this to take advantage of 'uneducated' people more than other stores. 
    Show me this --- or you are dead wrong on this one. No difference j have seen at all.  I need studies or examples of actual product placement that is different. 
    They may be pushing people through the lines. I will give you that.  They have more customers. So they have to move them faster.  But in my experience Walmart is WAY slower getting people through the lines. I do not like that about them. 
    But they do have self-checkout. It makes it so much easier.  And this applies to all grocers. 
    I don't know.  You just seem way too vague and have a vendetta or something against Walmart.  Sure the ambiance is not Harris Teeter; but the prices aren't either.
    It is as if you made your mind up in advance about not liking them and are now simply trying to obliquely justify it. 
    But to each his own I guess. We all got to have our pet peeves and preferences. 
    Glad you can afford to shop where you like and don't have to shop at Walmart.
    Some of the folks that are even less fortunate than people lucky enough to actually work at Walmart are very thankful to have Walmart to shop at.  Evidenced by their popularity. 
     
     
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    There are plenty of corps I dont care for, this thread started me on Walmart..that is the only issue at this time.

    So if you want to say others are bad and so Walmart isnt so bad, well I consider that a weak argument, there might be worse or bad out there, the discussion isnt about who is worse, it was about Walmart.

    Their MIT, product placement all this other stuff, you are just deflecting, reacting rather than stating what is obvious..Home Depot vs Lowes, all this is nothing of the discussion rather trying to prove a point by saying something else is also bad or relative to something else..not on topic at all.

    One more thing, then this discussion has probably run its course a few pages ago...but the comment about me and money, quite tacky. Dont try and paint me as some elitist, I am far from it. Walmart is not the only place people can afford to shop at, in fact I would imagine I would spend more at Walmart blindly shopping (as many do) versus planning and being smart about where I shop, what I purchase and when I purchase..that is part of education.

    People want quick, one stop, lazy no effort shopping..so Walmart gives you that. It is a strategic corporate decision, it is an advantage they have..large footprint with most of what you need at one place. I think where we differ is you sluff off everything as unimportant or not the worst out there, while I dont feel that way. An abuse or taking advantage is just that..no excuses or rationalization. I think Walmart as a corporation and a large one at that feasts off the lack of education of its employees and its customers, it abuses society and takes advantage of lazy people. If people were more concerned about what they were purchasing, the consequence of their decisions health and wealth wise, society might be better than it is today...

    Walmart is like a big fat pig slop..and people are mistaken in thinking they are better off going there.
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    There are plenty of corps I dont care for, this thread started me on Walmart..that is the only issue at this time.

    So if you want to say others are bad and so Walmart isnt so bad, well I consider that a weak argument, there might be worse or bad out there, the discussion isnt about who is worse, it was about Walmart.

    Their MIT, product placement all this other stuff, you are just deflecting, reacting rather than stating what is obvious..Home Depot vs Lowes, all this is nothing of the discussion rather trying to prove a point by saying something else is also bad or relative to something else..not on topic at all.

    One more thing, then this discussion has probably run its course a few pages ago...but the comment about me and money, quite tacky. Dont try and paint me as some elitist, I am far from it. Walmart is not the only place people can afford to shop at, in fact I would imagine I would spend more at Walmart blindly shopping (as many do) versus planning and being smart about where I shop, what I purchase and when I purchase..that is part of education.

    People want quick, one stop, lazy no effort shopping..so Walmart gives you that. It is a strategic corporate decision, it is an advantage they have..large footprint with most of what you need at one place. I think where we differ is you sluff off everything as unimportant or not the worst out there, while I dont feel that way. An abuse or taking advantage is just that..no excuses or rationalization. I think Walmart as a corporation and a large one at that feasts off the lack of education of its employees and its customers, it abuses society and takes advantage of lazy people. If people were more concerned about what they were purchasing, the consequence of their decisions health and wealth wise, society might be better than it is today...

    Walmart is like a big fat pig slop..and people are mistaken in thinking they are better off going there.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Two things..
     
    First, just because you didnt feel like you were being oppressed or taken advantage of, does that mean you arent? That is silly to say that because you werent being literally abused that the concept of taking advantage of the lower class employee doesnt fit. Walmart knows what they offer is needed by the lower class, they know that they can pay tepid wages, not really be concerned with developing their employees or furthering them past just using them like an orange and tossing them aside.

    The reason the conditions of the stores are so poor, the morale of the employee in general is so low, that there is no interaction or sense of pride, that people just like you take the job to make some cash and who cares, that is intentional..they know all this.

    It costs money and effort to develop employees, it takes a serious commitment. Firms with bad margins and high churn are not wanting to invest in their employees and the reason is short term labor savings and no real commitment to retaining employees or developing them.

    I consider that taking advantage, you can go into most any Walmarts and see this in action, or better lack of action and it is just sad to be honest. Its like the organization knows that the employees hate their jobs, that the employee turnover will always be terrible and who cares...

    Second..intentional product placement to take advantage of lesser educated people is abusing them...placing product as they do to max profits isnt serving the customer in a respectful way. It isnt how I would want to do business myself. They treat their customers, their employees like cattle...shove them through the line, dont worry about the customer or if your store is clean or if your employees give a crap about the customer or the organization.

    Your experience at Walmart is exactly par for the course, and it is the sign of a seriously sick organization.
    Of course that means I wasn't taken advantage of. I knew exactly what the pay was going to be and what my work entailed and I agreed to it, just like all the people that work there now did. 

    Yes, the stores are crappy and morale is low, that's why I don't shop there and never will, but that doesn't mean they are taken advantage of the employees. It means the employees that they are able to get, don't have the skills to go somewhere else. 

    Why waste the money/effort to develop an employee when it makes no sense to do so? They are extremely profitable, so obviously it is working. The employees that show some sort of work ethic and pride are developed into management. 

    Intentional product placement is just good business, not much more can be said about that. 

    At some point the employees have to have some accountability of why they are working there in the first place. If they want out, go get an education. I'm sick of everyone saying they DESERVE a living wage. Your skills dictate if you can earn a living wage, it's not something that is handed to you on a silver platter. 

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    Two things..
     
    First, just because you didnt feel like you were being oppressed or taken advantage of, does that mean you arent? That is silly to say that because you werent being literally abused that the concept of taking advantage of the lower class employee doesnt fit. Walmart knows what they offer is needed by the lower class, they know that they can pay tepid wages, not really be concerned with developing their employees or furthering them past just using them like an orange and tossing them aside.

    The reason the conditions of the stores are so poor, the morale of the employee in general is so low, that there is no interaction or sense of pride, that people just like you take the job to make some cash and who cares, that is intentional..they know all this.

    It costs money and effort to develop employees, it takes a serious commitment. Firms with bad margins and high churn are not wanting to invest in their employees and the reason is short term labor savings and no real commitment to retaining employees or developing them.

    I consider that taking advantage, you can go into most any Walmarts and see this in action, or better lack of action and it is just sad to be honest. Its like the organization knows that the employees hate their jobs, that the employee turnover will always be terrible and who cares...

    Second..intentional product placement to take advantage of lesser educated people is abusing them...placing product as they do to max profits isnt serving the customer in a respectful way. It isnt how I would want to do business myself. They treat their customers, their employees like cattle...shove them through the line, dont worry about the customer or if your store is clean or if your employees give a crap about the customer or the organization.

    Your experience at Walmart is exactly par for the course, and it is the sign of a seriously sick organization.
    Of course that means I wasn't taken advantage of. I knew exactly what the pay was going to be and what my work entailed and I agreed to it, just like all the people that work there now did. 

    Yes, the stores are crappy and morale is low, that's why I don't shop there and never will, but that doesn't mean they are taken advantage of the employees. It means the employees that they are able to get, don't have the skills to go somewhere else. 

    Why waste the money/effort to develop an employee when it makes no sense to do so? They are extremely profitable, so obviously it is working. The employees that show some sort of work ethic and pride are developed into management. 

    Intentional product placement is just good business, not much more can be said about that. 

    At some point the employees have to have some accountability of why they are working there in the first place. If they want out, go get an education. I'm sick of everyone saying they DESERVE a living wage. Your skills dictate if you can earn a living wage, it's not something that is handed to you on a silver platter. 

     
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     Sam’s widow, Helen, died last week. She is leaving almost her entire estate, close to $18 billion, the Walton Foundation to serve humankind.
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    Not saying elitist.  Saying good that you have money to spend elsewhere when more than likely you are spending more. 
    Not giving proof of arguments when asked is deflecting. Yes about Walmart. You called them out; so, you should provide proof. Show how product placement is abuse and that they do it to 'abuse uneducated'. You have to bring others into discussion for comparison is all---in other words, to say this is what Walmart SHOULD be doing or NOT doing. 
    Why do you insist on calling people lazy?  I need milk and bread so I go where it is cheapest---all else being equal.  That is not lazy. That's thrifty at worst. One-stop shopping is not lazy--- that is savvy and time saving. 
    No need to ignore that Walmart has a training program. Tackle that head on and show it to be abusive towards employees. 
    No need to use name-calling against Walmart.  Show exact examples where people are better off going elsewhere as a whole. 
    It may run its course because you are in a holding pattern. 
    Cannot believe I am having to defend Walmart. I don't even own their stock or anything. Just thought it weird all these Leftists and anti-corp hate Walmart so much.  Just because they make money off of people that can afford to shop there. I need to go more. Maybe I will see them differently then. 
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    Not saying elitist.  Saying good that you have money to spend elsewhere when more than likely you are spending more. 
    Not giving proof of arguments when asked is deflecting. Yes about Walmart. You called them out; so, you should provide proof. Show how product placement is abuse and that they do it to 'abuse uneducated'. You have to bring others into discussion for comparison is all---in other words, to say this is what Walmart SHOULD be doing or NOT doing. 
    Why do you insist on calling people lazy?  I need milk and bread so I go where it is cheapest---all else being equal.  That is not lazy. That's thrifty at worst. One-stop shopping is not lazy--- that is savvy and time saving. 
    No need to ignore that Walmart has a training program. Tackle that head on and show it to be abusive towards employees. 
    No need to use name-calling against Walmart.  Show exact examples where people are better off going elsewhere as a whole. 
    It may run its course because you are in a holding pattern. 
    Cannot believe I am having to defend Walmart. I don't even own their stock or anything. Just thought it weird all these Leftists and anti-corp hate Walmart so much.  Just because they make money off of people that can afford to shop there. I need to go more. Maybe I will see them differently then. 
     
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    Meijer wants to put a 'hyperstore' near me on the land that was once Sea World and a neighboring Amusement Park.   They are calling for 41 acres for a 200,000 sq.ft store with 600-800 parking spaces.   

    This is their list of of prohibited uses for the future development of the remaining 592 acres from the old parks:

    No coffee or doughnut shops
    No pharmacies
    No department stores (there are already Wal-Mart, Target, Kohls, Michaels, Gordmans, Home Depot and some others within a mile)
    No gas stations or tire sales
    No DVD sales
    No theaters
    No stores selling beer, wine or ale for off-premises consumption
    No specialty, ethnic, or health food stores
    No combination food/general merchandise stores
    No discount retail stores
    No bar/taverns
    No tattoo parlors
    No pawn shop
    No amusement or recreational establishments
    No pool hall, bowling alley, game center or electronic gaming machines
    No stores that rent or sell videotapes, DVD's, or video games
    No vending machines



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    Meijer wants to put a 'hyperstore' near me on the land that was once Sea World and a neighboring Amusement Park.   They are calling for 41 acres for a 200,000 sq.ft store with 600-800 parking spaces.   

    This is their list of of prohibited uses for the future development of the remaining 592 acres from the old parks:

    No coffee or doughnut shops
    No pharmacies
    No department stores (there are already Wal-Mart, Target, Kohls, Michaels, Gordmans, Home Depot and some others within a mile)
    No gas stations or tire sales
    No DVD sales
    No theaters
    No stores selling beer, wine or ale for off-premises consumption
    No specialty, ethnic, or health food stores
    No combination food/general merchandise stores
    No discount retail stores
    No bar/taverns
    No tattoo parlors
    No pawn shop
    No amusement or recreational establishments
    No pool hall, bowling alley, game center or electronic gaming machines
    No stores that rent or sell videotapes, DVD's, or video games
    No vending machines



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

     Sam’s widow, Helen, died last week in 2007 . She left almost her entire estate, close to $18 billion, the Walton Foundation to serve humankind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

     Sam’s widow, Helen, died last week in 2007 . She left almost her entire estate, close to $18 billion, the Walton Foundation to serve humankind.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Sam’s widow, Helen, died last week in 2007 . She left almost her entire estate, close to $18 billion, the Walton Foundation to serve humankind.
     

    The Walton kids are worth more than $100 billion.. More wealth than the bottom 40% of Americans combined. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Sam’s widow, Helen, died last week in 2007 . She left almost her entire estate, close to $18 billion, the Walton Foundation to serve humankind.
     

    The Walton kids are worth more than $100 billion.. More wealth than the bottom 40% of Americans combined. 
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