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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2015 - 11:34 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I agree with all of that.

    The problem is the dependency for a dozen years (and a dozen years of refills which your insurance, in part, might have a problem with, but obviously you haven't encountered any).

    I can't speak to this on any neurological level but I would think the aforementioned connections are now there and you may be able to stop taking Zoloft, or at a minimum, inquire about not taking it with your physician, given you are now better (if you truly feel you are better).


    I actually did inquire with him about discontinuing the prescription. He said as long as there were no side effects the long term usage wasn't going to hurt me.  He also said that there was a good chance I would go right back to where I started if I discontinued the use.

    I take a generic now so cost isn't really an issue.  I went without healthcare for about 4 years and paid for it myself.  The dependency issue doesn't really bother me as long as I am not hurting myself in the long run.  Look at all the vitamins on the market.  People take those everyday and most of those don't have conclusive studies as to there effectiveness.   People pop ibuprofen like they are chicklets but because they are not a controlled substance people seem ok with that.  The truth is I would be worse off if I was doing that instead of taking this particular controlled substance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I agree with all of that.

    The problem is the dependency for a dozen years (and a dozen years of refills which your insurance, in part, might have a problem with, but obviously you haven't encountered any).

    I can't speak to this on any neurological level but I would think the aforementioned connections are now there and you may be able to stop taking Zoloft, or at a minimum, inquire about not taking it with your physician, given you are now better (if you truly feel you are better).


    I actually did inquire with him about discontinuing the prescription. He said as long as there were no side effects the long term usage wasn't going to hurt me.  He also said that there was a good chance I would go right back to where I started if I discontinued the use.

    I take a generic now so cost isn't really an issue.  I went without healthcare for about 4 years and paid for it myself.  The dependency issue doesn't really bother me as long as I am not hurting myself in the long run.  Look at all the vitamins on the market.  People take those everyday and most of those don't have conclusive studies as to there effectiveness.   People pop ibuprofen like they are chicklets but because they are not a controlled substance people seem ok with that.  The truth is I would be worse off if I was doing that instead of taking this particular controlled substance.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2015 - 10:04 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    I actually did inquire with him about discontinuing the prescription. He said as long as there were no side effects the long term usage wasn't going to hurt me.  He also said that there was a good chance I would go right back to where I started if I discontinued the use.

    I take a generic now so cost isn't really an issue.  I went without healthcare for about 4 years and paid for it myself.  The dependency issue doesn't really bother me as long as I am not hurting myself in the long run.  Look at all the vitamins on the market.  People take those everyday and most of those don't have conclusive studies as to there effectiveness.   People pop ibuprofen like they are chicklets but because they are not a controlled substance people seem ok with that.  The truth is I would be worse off if I was doing that instead of taking this particular controlled substance.

     

    Well at least you inquired.

    It just seems to me he could be getting a nice kickback for keeping your insurance paying for anti-depressant drug this for this long (which I've never heard of).

    Then again, it is the generic brand so that is significantly cheaper, which could scale back the kickback, if any.

    If it helps, it helps. Just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    I actually did inquire with him about discontinuing the prescription. He said as long as there were no side effects the long term usage wasn't going to hurt me.  He also said that there was a good chance I would go right back to where I started if I discontinued the use.

    I take a generic now so cost isn't really an issue.  I went without healthcare for about 4 years and paid for it myself.  The dependency issue doesn't really bother me as long as I am not hurting myself in the long run.  Look at all the vitamins on the market.  People take those everyday and most of those don't have conclusive studies as to there effectiveness.   People pop ibuprofen like they are chicklets but because they are not a controlled substance people seem ok with that.  The truth is I would be worse off if I was doing that instead of taking this particular controlled substance.

     

    Well at least you inquired.

    It just seems to me he could be getting a nice kickback for keeping your insurance paying for anti-depressant drug this for this long (which I've never heard of).

    Then again, it is the generic brand so that is significantly cheaper, which could scale back the kickback, if any.

    If it helps, it helps. Just wondering.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2015 - 10:20 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    Topic: Having suicidal thoughts



    Maybe all you want is a Pepsi, but you're mom won't give it to you.....

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LoF_a0-7xVQ



    You are the biggest pri ck on this site. I would love to mash your face. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    Topic: Having suicidal thoughts



    Maybe all you want is a Pepsi, but you're mom won't give it to you.....

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LoF_a0-7xVQ



    You are the biggest pri ck on this site. I would love to mash your face. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2015 - 10:44 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

     

    Well at least you inquired.

    It just seems to me he could be getting a nice kickback for keeping your insurance paying for anti-depressant drug this for this long (which I've never heard of).

    Then again, it is the generic brand so that is significantly cheaper, which could scale back the kickback, if any.

    If it helps, it helps. Just wondering.


    When you go generic the prices drop drastically.  It costs my insurance $4 a month.  Before it went generic I was paying out of pocket anywhere from $80-$120 a month.  It went generic not to long after I got my insurance back.  I was paying $4 a month and now I pay $0.

    I have 2 acquaintances that also take the drug and have for quite some time.  Both are taking higher doses than I am.  I feel pretty good where I am at so I have never messed with it.  It's a fairly small dosage as far as a dosage amount goes.

    I feel very fortunate to have the doc that I do.  Highly respected in this community by his colleagues and isn't taking new patients.  I wish everyone could be so lucky.  He is a straight shooter but also has a terrific bedside manner.

    I realize some doctors are on the take.  It's really to bad because there are drugs out there that can really help people.  I would be worse off eating Big Mac's everyday than I would taking Zoloft.  Many things in life that aren't pharmaceuticals are more harmful to the body than many drugs that we have today.

    At the risk of offending people I think that anyone that believes in Scientology is a nut.  Letting kids die because they are against drugs is just plain stupid and if it were me I would hold them legally responsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

     

    Well at least you inquired.

    It just seems to me he could be getting a nice kickback for keeping your insurance paying for anti-depressant drug this for this long (which I've never heard of).

    Then again, it is the generic brand so that is significantly cheaper, which could scale back the kickback, if any.

    If it helps, it helps. Just wondering.


    When you go generic the prices drop drastically.  It costs my insurance $4 a month.  Before it went generic I was paying out of pocket anywhere from $80-$120 a month.  It went generic not to long after I got my insurance back.  I was paying $4 a month and now I pay $0.

    I have 2 acquaintances that also take the drug and have for quite some time.  Both are taking higher doses than I am.  I feel pretty good where I am at so I have never messed with it.  It's a fairly small dosage as far as a dosage amount goes.

    I feel very fortunate to have the doc that I do.  Highly respected in this community by his colleagues and isn't taking new patients.  I wish everyone could be so lucky.  He is a straight shooter but also has a terrific bedside manner.

    I realize some doctors are on the take.  It's really to bad because there are drugs out there that can really help people.  I would be worse off eating Big Mac's everyday than I would taking Zoloft.  Many things in life that aren't pharmaceuticals are more harmful to the body than many drugs that we have today.

    At the risk of offending people I think that anyone that believes in Scientology is a nut.  Letting kids die because they are against drugs is just plain stupid and if it were me I would hold them legally responsible.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2015 - 11:45 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurshka:




    You are the biggest pri ck on this site. I would love to mash your face. 

    Wait, what are you talking about, I'm the biggest pr1ck!?!?!?
    How do you know who the biggest pr1ck is?
    How can you say I'm the biggest pr1ck?

    What are you trying to say, I'm crazy?
    When I went to your schools, I went to your churches,
    I went to your institutional learning facilities?!

    So how can you say I'm the biggest pr1ck?!?!?!?!?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurshka:




    You are the biggest pri ck on this site. I would love to mash your face. 

    Wait, what are you talking about, I'm the biggest pr1ck!?!?!?
    How do you know who the biggest pr1ck is?
    How can you say I'm the biggest pr1ck?

    What are you trying to say, I'm crazy?
    When I went to your schools, I went to your churches,
    I went to your institutional learning facilities?!

    So how can you say I'm the biggest pr1ck?!?!?!?!?!?!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2015 - 12:12 AM ET #31

    I go through some pretty hard times with bouts of depression, runs in the family.

    Intense song 4 ya that'll help you understand that you're not alone Steel. We all fight it.

    Listen carefully to the lyrics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDK5qGlLT8s

     

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    I go through some pretty hard times with bouts of depression, runs in the family.

    Intense song 4 ya that'll help you understand that you're not alone Steel. We all fight it.

    Listen carefully to the lyrics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDK5qGlLT8s

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2015 - 12:18 AM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurshka:




    You are the biggest pri ck on this site. I would love to mash your face. 

    Word on that horse. I'd put this mother fu*cker in tea kettle whistle with three shots. That's assuming I miss the lead punch but pretty rare.  Absolute prick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurshka:




    You are the biggest pri ck on this site. I would love to mash your face. 

    Word on that horse. I'd put this mother fu*cker in tea kettle whistle with three shots. That's assuming I miss the lead punch but pretty rare.  Absolute prick.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    Word on that horse. I'd put this mother fu*cker in tea kettle whistle with three shots. That's assuming I miss the lead punch but pretty rare.  Absolute prick.



    Is all of that some kind of g@y slang that I'm unaware of?
    You know, your kind can legally get married now, so congrats on that.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    Word on that horse. I'd put this mother fu*cker in tea kettle whistle with three shots. That's assuming I miss the lead punch but pretty rare.  Absolute prick.



    Is all of that some kind of g@y slang that I'm unaware of?
    You know, your kind can legally get married now, so congrats on that.....
     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2015 - 12:47 AM ET #34

    ^ Shut your degenerate cheese pizza trap prospect dipshiit stooge.

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    ^ Shut your degenerate cheese pizza trap prospect dipshiit stooge.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2015 - 8:39 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    Steel I have battled depression for years.  Most people don't know about it because I was able to hide it pretty well.

    Slim is 110 % correct.  I kept thinking I could handle it on my own until one day my wife demanded I get medical help.  Up until that point I had been stubborn about it for about 14 years.  I swallowed my pride and made an appointment with my Dr.  Best thing I ever could have done.  I strongly urge you to do the same.

    Everyone is different but he put me on Zoloft and in about 3 weeks I was a changed person, literally.  Have him or her explain the benefits and drawbacks to drugs like Zoloft, Xanax etc...  I have been taking Zoloft for about 12 years now and it changed my life.  Like I said everyone is different so make sure the Dr discusses different options with you.  

    I am asking you to do one thing.  Make an appointment with your Dr. this week.  It's the first step and a very important one.  Monday morning I want to see a post by you that you made the call.  I will be checking back.



    Just curious, after all that, do you say you have beaten your depression or do you have bouts. Point being, has the medication eradicated the depression or simply suppressed it sufficiently, while not completely eliminating it? I can't fully glean the answer from the 'changed my life' statement.

    Also, just curious, what were the underlying reasons for the depression and do those issues still exist and no longer get you depressed (e.g., chronic illness or a death in the family)?

    A counterexample would be long-term unemployment. If one was unemployed over the long-term and fell into a depression, but now has a career, they may be attributing the 'depression cure' more towards the medication than the life circumstance improving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    Steel I have battled depression for years.  Most people don't know about it because I was able to hide it pretty well.

    Slim is 110 % correct.  I kept thinking I could handle it on my own until one day my wife demanded I get medical help.  Up until that point I had been stubborn about it for about 14 years.  I swallowed my pride and made an appointment with my Dr.  Best thing I ever could have done.  I strongly urge you to do the same.

    Everyone is different but he put me on Zoloft and in about 3 weeks I was a changed person, literally.  Have him or her explain the benefits and drawbacks to drugs like Zoloft, Xanax etc...  I have been taking Zoloft for about 12 years now and it changed my life.  Like I said everyone is different so make sure the Dr discusses different options with you.  

    I am asking you to do one thing.  Make an appointment with your Dr. this week.  It's the first step and a very important one.  Monday morning I want to see a post by you that you made the call.  I will be checking back.



    Just curious, after all that, do you say you have beaten your depression or do you have bouts. Point being, has the medication eradicated the depression or simply suppressed it sufficiently, while not completely eliminating it? I can't fully glean the answer from the 'changed my life' statement.

    Also, just curious, what were the underlying reasons for the depression and do those issues still exist and no longer get you depressed (e.g., chronic illness or a death in the family)?

    A counterexample would be long-term unemployment. If one was unemployed over the long-term and fell into a depression, but now has a career, they may be attributing the 'depression cure' more towards the medication than the life circumstance improving.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2015 - 10:42 AM ET #36

    The cause of my depression came in the form of "panic attacks".  If you have never heard of them look it up.  I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy.  It gives you the sensation of having a heart attack.  A person has no control over when they are going to happen.

    My parents did pass away relatively young, dad 56 and mom 64.  That certainly didn't help but a person learns to accept it.  I have been employed since age 14 so that was never a problem.

    It's really hard to explain unless you go through it.  Independance had always been a important part of my life and it felt like I was losing that with the panic attacks.  Since being on Zoloft I haven't had one since. Although a handful of times it felt like one might have been coming on. I never want to go back to that.  That is why I say the drug changed my life.
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    The cause of my depression came in the form of "panic attacks".  If you have never heard of them look it up.  I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy.  It gives you the sensation of having a heart attack.  A person has no control over when they are going to happen.

    My parents did pass away relatively young, dad 56 and mom 64.  That certainly didn't help but a person learns to accept it.  I have been employed since age 14 so that was never a problem.

    It's really hard to explain unless you go through it.  Independance had always been a important part of my life and it felt like I was losing that with the panic attacks.  Since being on Zoloft I haven't had one since. Although a handful of times it felt like one might have been coming on. I never want to go back to that.  That is why I say the drug changed my life.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 4, 2015 - 3:00 PM ET #37

    I think the main thing is that people can't forget that everything is temporary.  And therefore, virtually meaningless.  

    I'll get a job.  It's just a matter of time.  I've just recently discovered my passion, and I'm gonna be so good at my profession (addiction counseling).  I'm just three semesters in, but my grades are probably in the top 2% of the entire school.

    I kinda regret posting the OP, but I was just wondering how many others out there can relate.  I think most everybody has suicidal thoughts at one time or another, but this isn't to say they're "contemplating" it or considering it.

    I once dated a girl that had panic attacks.  Brutal.





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    I think the main thing is that people can't forget that everything is temporary.  And therefore, virtually meaningless.  

    I'll get a job.  It's just a matter of time.  I've just recently discovered my passion, and I'm gonna be so good at my profession (addiction counseling).  I'm just three semesters in, but my grades are probably in the top 2% of the entire school.

    I kinda regret posting the OP, but I was just wondering how many others out there can relate.  I think most everybody has suicidal thoughts at one time or another, but this isn't to say they're "contemplating" it or considering it.

    I once dated a girl that had panic attacks.  Brutal.





     
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    You're an azzhole for starting a Thread like this and not coming back for a week later.


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    Posted: Jul. 4, 2015 - 3:12 PM ET #39

    Just read some posts.  I quit cigarettes a while back.  I just smoke the Herb.
    Thank you all for the kind words.   I'm not going anywhere 

    Just had a really bad day.  And I'll have more in the future... no worries.  You just carry on.  Life is precious... I've always believed that.

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    Just read some posts.  I quit cigarettes a while back.  I just smoke the Herb.
    Thank you all for the kind words.   I'm not going anywhere 

    Just had a really bad day.  And I'll have more in the future... no worries.  You just carry on.  Life is precious... I've always believed that.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 4, 2015 - 3:51 PM ET #40

    smoke weed! seriously for the thoughts and the medical issues. or ingest it
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    Posted: Jul. 4, 2015 - 6:39 PM ET #41

    Addiction counseling while you are still addicted to getting high..

    Make sense... I guess.........that is of course,, if you're a liberal.

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    Addiction counseling while you are still addicted to getting high..

    Make sense... I guess.........that is of course,, if you're a liberal.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    The cause of my depression came in the form of "panic attacks".  If you have never heard of them look it up.  I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy.  It gives you the sensation of having a heart attack.  A person has no control over when they are going to happen.My parents did pass away relatively young, dad 56 and mom 64.  That certainly didn't help but a person learns to accept it.  I have been employed since age 14 so that was never a problem.It's really hard to explain unless you go through it.  Independance had always been a important part of my life and it felt like I was losing that with the panic attacks.  Since being on Zoloft I haven't had one since. Although a handful of times it felt like one might have been coming on. I never want to go back to that.  That is why I say the drug changed my life.


    What age did the panic attacks start? They look quite brutal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    The cause of my depression came in the form of "panic attacks".  If you have never heard of them look it up.  I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy.  It gives you the sensation of having a heart attack.  A person has no control over when they are going to happen.My parents did pass away relatively young, dad 56 and mom 64.  That certainly didn't help but a person learns to accept it.  I have been employed since age 14 so that was never a problem.It's really hard to explain unless you go through it.  Independance had always been a important part of my life and it felt like I was losing that with the panic attacks.  Since being on Zoloft I haven't had one since. Although a handful of times it felt like one might have been coming on. I never want to go back to that.  That is why I say the drug changed my life.


    What age did the panic attacks start? They look quite brutal.
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