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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

No silly! it has been verified in the New Testament which is an historical, scriptured Holy Bible. Several disciples wrote their gospels in the holy scripture...amen brother!

Now are you going to dispute their gospels as lies? What would be their motivation for lying? Do you know that they themselves were also crucified for spreading the gospel? Now what would motivate these disciples knowing that their lives were in danger for spreading the gospel? If it was a lie, who in their right mind would continue to spread the gospel? It's obvious why they did it, it's because they were spreading the truth and nothing but the truth so help me Lord!!


What about the Gnostic Gospels?  Where do those rank?  Why should they be left out?  The Gospels of Judas, Thomas, and Philip are quite interesting.  Ever research them?  Paints a whole different picture of Jesus.  And the possibility he was married to Mary Magdalene.  Could be wrong.  But, what if Jesus was just a man who was alive at a certain point in history?  I think he delivered a great message to all of us.  We'd be well served to follow it, but it won't happen.   
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

There is a place for science and a place for religion in everyones life.

Science should NEVER try and answer certain questions about life, namely, science cannot tell me how i should live my life from a moral stand point.

A couple of pages back you you said that science would sugjest that you not pay your lunch bill,i asked you how or why you thought that.I'm still waiting for a answer.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

A couple of pages back you you said that science would sugjest that you not pay your lunch bill,i asked you how or why you thought that.I'm still waiting for a answer.

You won't get one biscuiteater1.  Doesn't fit into thier thing.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:


Rostos, you used the example of raping a little girl to talk about  your point.  I don't need society or religion to tell me thats wrong.  I was never told by my parents as a child that that was wrong, but as a human being it is something inherit within me to know things like that are wrong.  Religion doesn't tell me that.  And you're smart enough to know it doesn't.  

And if needed, we can dive into the millions that Christianity killed for their own supposed righteous beliefs.  Maybe they were wrong.  

Thanks you, case closed. See that KittyKatz?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:

Good question.

Spend a week with any human being and they will break one of God's laws. The disiples spent 3 years with Jesus and he didnt break any. If someone didnt break a commandment for 3 years, there is a good chance they havent broken one at all..

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

A couple of pages back you you said that science would sugjest that you not pay your lunch bill,i asked you how or why you thought that.I'm still waiting for a answer.

There is no scientific reason why i should have paid for my dibber when i could have easily gotten away with it...

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

There is no scientific reason why i should have paid for my dibber when i could have easily gotten away with it...

No buddy,you said that science would suggest that you "not pay for diner"
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

No buddy,you said that science would suggest that you "not pay for diner"

Evolution is all about survival of the fittest and doing things that will benefit me, ie, opposite of "altruism". What i did was nothing to do with altruism, but the point is that it was unselfish behaviour does not support evolution

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Good question.

Spend a week with any human being and they will break one of God's laws. The disiples spent 3 years with Jesus and he didnt break any. If someone didnt break a commandment for 3 years, there is a good chance they havent broken one at all..


You are not permitted to use unverified claims as evidence for more unverified claims.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Evolution is all about survival of the fittest and doing things that will benefit me, ie, opposite of "altruism". What i did was nothing to do with altruism, but the point is that it was unselfish behaviour does not support evolution


No. WRONG. Unselfish behavior does support evolution and survival of the fittest. If I stole from everyone and didn't give a shit, people would steal from me. If I murdered on a whim, I'd live my life in constant fear of being murdered. However, I think to myself "how can I best increase my chances of survival?" And naturally, humans reach the conclusion that working together is the best solution where instead of each person trying to gain everything, each person gets a somewhat equal share of things (I know the world isn't this ideal, but we're not focusing on the distribution of wealth here). So, naturally, I want to help others with the belief they will help me. I want to go back and pay the bill at the restaurant because I know that if I were in the waiter's shoes, I'd want my customer to do the same thing.

Stop trying to invoke science into explaining things it isn't intended to explain. Science explains "how" not "why."
 
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My life is so much better when I ignore these threads.

I can see Larry, Moe, and Curly are back at it.  God must be so proud to have the Stooges as his representatives.

Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
 
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tax the church!!!!! 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Evolution is all about survival of the fittest and doing things that will benefit me, ie, opposite of "altruism". What i did was nothing to do with altruism, but the point is that it was unselfish behaviour does not support evolution


wrong wrong wrong... Darwin from day one heard this argument and irked him like hell !!!  EVOLUTION is about ADAPTING TO YOUR ENVIRONMENT, not even the strongest can always do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and yes, altruism does at times play a role in our hedonistic selfish desires...
 
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these are things that people study (both sides)

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by AustinHoopDream:

it is very simple...

you either believe 

that god is, has always been and will always be OR

you believe the universe is, has always been, and will always be.

opposite sides of the same coin. 

though i must say there is much more empirical evidence for one and a thing called faith for the other....

now shut up.....



 
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"All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree."
-Albert Einstein
 
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Quote Originally Posted by AustinHoopDream:

it is very simple...

you either believe 

that god is, has always been and will always be OR

you believe the universe is, has always been, and will always be.

opposite sides of the same coin. 

though i must say there is much more empirical evidence for one and a thing called faith for the other....

now shut up.....


It is accepted and proven that the universe BEGAN to exist.....

Do some research before posting......

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


No. WRONG. Unselfish behavior does support evolution and survival of the fittest. If I stole from everyone and didn't give a shit, people would steal from me. If I murdered on a whim, I'd live my life in constant fear of being murdered. However, I think to myself "how can I best increase my chances of survival?" And naturally, humans reach the conclusion that working together is the best solution where instead of each person trying to gain everything, each person gets a somewhat equal share of things (I know the world isn't this ideal, but we're not focusing on the distribution of wealth here). So, naturally, I want to help others with the belief they will help me. I want to go back and pay the bill at the restaurant because I know that if I were in the waiter's shoes, I'd want my customer to do the same thing.

Stop trying to invoke science into explaining things it isn't intended to explain. Science explains "how" not "why."

The point of evolution is to survive and pass on your OWN genes. If i was walking past a house and saw a lady in there trapped in a fire, it would go against evolutionary theory to go in there, risk my life (therefore risk the chance of not able to pass my genes) and save her, Evolution CANNOT explain altrustic behaviour.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


You are not permitted to use unverified claims as evidence for more unverified claims.

So why cant i use the bible as the source of truth.

Give me one good reason why i cant?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

The point of evolution is to survive and pass on your OWN genes. If i was walking past a house and saw a lady in there trapped in a fire, it would go against evolutionary theory to go in there, risk my life (therefore risk the chance of not able to pass my genes) and save her, Evolution CANNOT explain altrustic behaviour.

 

Your heroic behavior would be seen as desireable, there by increasing your chances at spreading your seed. It's also in Mans best interest to keep the community safe. Back in the day, saving the women meant saving yourself/clan, that instinct is still strong. This is all very simple.

No one can win this conversation and change the other persons mind.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So why cant i use the bible as the source of truth.

Give me one good reason why i cant?

 

Because it's not sound knowledge. It doesn't even pass the logic test, let alone stand up to any kind of scientific scrutiny.

You can't pick and choose what parts of the bible to believe. You either believe it all or none. You must believe that men lived to be several hundreds of years old, that we all come from the insectious children of Adma and Eve etc.

 Moral messages aside, it is complete fiction.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So why cant i use the bible as the source of truth.

Give me one good reason why i cant?


Why can't I use spiderman comics as a source of truth? 


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Dutch1976:

 

Your heroic behavior would be seen as desireable, there by increasing your chances at spreading your seed. It's also in Mans best interest to keep the community safe. Back in the day, saving the women meant saving yourself/clan, that instinct is still strong. This is all very simple.

No one can win this conversation and change the other persons mind.

U fool.

So the first thing i think about is if i see a lady in a house fire, "i am gonna go in there, risk my life cause i might get laid".

What about that American Soldier (RIP) 3-4 years ago that jumped on the grenade to absorb the explsion to save his mates. Was he thinking about how that act will save allow him to pass his genes on? How does EVOLUTION EXPLAIN THAT?

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Dutch1976:

 

Because it's not sound knowledge. It doesn't even pass the logic test, let alone stand up to any kind of scientific scrutiny.

You can't pick and choose what parts of the bible to believe. You either believe it all or none. You must believe that men lived to be several hundreds of years old, that we all come from the insectious children of Adma and Eve etc.

 Moral messages aside, it is complete fiction.

There are 2 ways i can answer this.

1. Go and do some research first before you continue to embarress yourself.

2. Or i can teach you. The Bible is Accepted as a source of truth by the majority of accredited historical scholars. Science?  Just like many scientists believed that the universe was eternal, well, scientists have now found out "there was a beginning". There are hundreds of fulfilled prophecies in the bible. Go and read them. What are you going to say next? They were just lucky?

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