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Posted: #976
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

To continue this:

Rostos and SJD - if morals are absolute, and the Ten commandments are absolute:

Why is it OK to kill Bin Laden?
If you had a chance to kill Hitler in 1938, is that a violation of the 10 commandments?
Is it OK to steal food in order to not die of starvation?
How can capitalism exist without coveting?
Is it OK to lie in order to save a bunch of people from dying?
Would it be OK to lie to your captors if you were a POW?
Is it OK to lie to Mom and Dad if they are forcing you to kill someone?
Is it OK to not honor the Sabbath if you have to work that day?

Start with those and tell me how those are NOT subjective.  Please.  I am begging you to not ignore this as usual and respond.

1. Was it ok for him to kill over 3,000 innocent people at the World Trade Center and numerous others worldwide?

If he wanted to surrender then it wouldn't be right to kill him but on the otherhand if he went for a weapon then it would be justified to kill him. ( On Judgment day, the Good Lord will judge everyone accordingly and justly)

2. If he was surrendering to you then it wouldn't be right to kill him. (On Judgment day, the Good Lord will judge everyone accordingly and justly)

3. Why steal when you have mouth to ask for food?, c'mon haven't you seen compassionate people in your life. There are numerous shelters where one can get help. Furthermore if you see someone who is begging you for food wouldn't you help your brother in need? There are compassionate people out there!

Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives. Everyone who seeks, finds. And to everyone who knocks, the door will be opened.-----Matthew 7:7:8

4. To covet is to want ardently (esp. something that another person has), long for with envy, in otherwords wanting someone's wife or girlfriend etc and so was does capitalism have to do with coveting?...lol ...I think you need to study your dictionary as well as the Holy Bible, but please put more emphasis on the Holy Bible.

5. You must tell the truth and not be a false witness.

The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in those who tell the truth. -----Proverbs 12:22

( On Judgment day, the Good Lord will judge everyone accordingly and justly)

6. As an American serviceman you are trained if you are a POW to just show them your dog tags and keep your mouth shut. ( dog tags are those tags that servicemen carry with them at all times that shows their name, rank, and serial number)

7. If Mom and Dad are criminals plotting evil, it is your duty to turn them in to law enforcement.

(God's commandment of thou shalt not kill supersedes God's commandment of Honor thy mother and father and again (On Judgment day, the Good Lord will judge everyone accordingly and justly)

So you see brother van, that's why the Lord Almighty will have a judgment day on everyone because yes, there can be some conflicts when dealing with the Commandments and the Good Lord will judge everyone accordingly and justly.

Praise the Lord, for the Lord is good; celebrate his lovely name with music. ---Psalm 135:3

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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Sorry vanzack, but Rostos completely ignored your questions. He thinks he answered them, but he didn't.

Anyone can get a job? No they can't. Thou shalt not lie, Rostos. You should be condemned to hell for making a false statement like that. Unless you are mentally or physically handicapped then anyone can get a job. Those disabled people should be on benefits to which there is no reason to steal. 
And you're advocating murder. You clearly think it's ok to let yourself die if you can't afford food. That's much better than stealing. See above.

Coveting - look it up in a dictionary

Of course those people who are dying aren't guilty, answer the question based on the hypothetical, stop creating facts, your stupidity is astounding. Either that, or your ability to dodge questions is. No, you stop creating excuses to sin.

Lying to your captors? How do you need a further explanation. Your miniature brain can't figure out why you may lie? Interrogator: Hey prisoner, where are your friends so we can capture them too. Prisoner: They're at location X (when they're actually at location Y). Does that clear it up for you? Yes it does thank you. Again, no need to lie, tell them the truth.

So it's conceivable that you can't abide by all 10 commandments if 2 conflict with each other? You are now creating a hierarchy of commandments. Murder worse than lying, gotcha. If you are confronted with 2 evils, then you are damned. Go with the one that is gonna cause less sin, furthermore, God will judge rightly based on the situation you are presented in. God knows in your heart what you are presented.

Not honoring the Sabbath? Are you kidding me with this answer? What if you have NO DAYS off. Come on. Do you even try when you answer these questions? Make a day off. Sunday is a day in the week, dont take it literally that it is Sunday. Jesus was not born on the 25th of Dec but that is the day we set on our calender to celbrate his birth, we equivicate a date.
 
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BTW, can you stop calling him the "good" lord and "almighty" because there is a LOT of stuff he does that is 100% downright EVIL and BAD and he certainly is not "almighty." There are many, MANY things he can't do. He is a weak, powerless, little bitch who takes his anger out on innocent human beings.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Aghh, u see how it completely breaks down.

The conversations after i posted the comments would be limited to be,

Rostos, "i dont agree with your thoughts, however, you are not absolutely wrong thinking what happened to that girl is wrong about those thougts and we arent absolutely right about them,".

Thats what the conversation will be limited to and there will be no more room for comment.

But think about, is that commentary rational and plausible based on our consience and knowledge of what is right and wrong?

No F###ing way.....

I am waiting,

Why wouldnt the above conversation be normal, not only on covers, but in other chat forums, in family living rooms, in pubs...Why not, according to you atheists, there is no such thing as absolutes, so why wouldnt the above be a typical normal conversation?

 

 
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Correction: 4. To covet is to want ardently (esp. something that another person has), long for with envy, in otherwords wanting someone's wife or girlfriend etc and so what does capitalism have to do with coveting?...lol ...I think you need to study your dictionary as well as the Holy Bible, but please put more emphasis on the Holy Bible.

 
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Places don't hire convicts. Places don't hire random bums off the street. It is virtually impossible to get a job if you drop out of high school and have no experience. Again, you are too naive.

Don't lie? So just tell your captors where your friends are so they can kill them, too? Wow, either you're a fucking heartless asshole or god is...could it perhaps be...both?

Make a day off? What if you can't? STOP CREATING FACTS.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Places don't hire convicts. Places don't hire random bums off the street. It is virtually impossible to get a job if you drop out of high school and have no experience. Again, you are too naive.

Don't lie? So just tell your captors where your friends are so they can kill them, too? Wow, either you're a fucking heartless asshole or god is...could it perhaps be...both?

Make a day off? What if you can't? STOP CREATING FACTS.

Anyone can get a job cleaning toilets.

Furthermore if u clearly attempting to get jobs then one coulb be on unemployment benfits

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Yes, I am disagreeing with him because objective morals cannot possibly exist because it is CONCEIVABLE, sorry, ACTUAL, that societies exist where this practice is morally acceptable.

So the hypothetical scenario i gave regarding discussion on the article should be true?

WOW

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Places don't hire convicts. Places don't hire random bums off the street. It is virtually impossible to get a job if you drop out of high school and have no experience. Again, you are too naive.

Don't lie? So just tell your captors where your friends are so they can kill them, too? Wow, either you're a fucking heartless asshole or god is...could it perhaps be...both?

Make a day off? What if you can't? STOP CREATING FACTS.
no hes not a heartless asshole, just a brainwashed idiot. and hes not smart enough to know his precious bible says its ok to steal if youre hungry. i cant believe this thread is still going since the only intelligent posts come from the 'heathens' here that dont believe in god
 
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i have no fuckin clue what that God is, but i also don't see what i would waste a bunch of time worry about it since i'm fairly confident that details of this God won't be dioscovered for many, many years (if the religious nuts don't blow this planet up first), if ever. 

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ClubDirt, US foreign policy has been aggressive, reckless, belligerent, interventionist, and meddling. US foreign policy sows discord among nations, stirs up strife where none existed, intensifies the hatred that many foreigners around the world have for Americans and each other, and creates terrorists faster than we can control them.

Now, I make no apologies for Osama bin Laden. I deplore any acts of terrorism he may have planned, instigated, attempted, inspired, or carried out. I repudiate his religion, his invective, and any evil he may have thought, spoken, or performed. Though, the war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan is not avenging the 9/11 attacks.

Over 2,000 Pakistani have been slain in CIA drone strikes in the past 5 years, with the vast majority of them innocent civilians. Over 75% of them were killed in the past two years since Obama took office. The identical situation continues in Egypt with innocent families being slain by the CIA. The countries former leader, Mubarak, was engineered into power by the US after the killing of long time CIA asset Anwar Sadat. Gen Mubarak was then allowed to rule Egypt like a modern day pharaoh, crushing legitimate political opposition, Murbarak's rigged elections given the nod by Washington, are every bit as agregious as Tunisia's, which the US hailed as a poster-boy for moderation, stability and democracy until it went up in flames. Moderate Arab governments which focus on implementing sustainable economic and human rights policies which benefit the most of their people possible, instead of just the ruling elite, can't replace deposed regimes, when fundamentalist of one type or another are US puppets.

Be it the killing of several innocent civilians in Baghdad by a US helicopter gunship, or the US secretly funding militant ethnic groups in a move for the faliure of diplomatic initiatives. Be it Obama demonstrating his willingness to go to war in Libya without congressional approval and to do so where no imminent threat to the US existed, or AFRICOM, tasked with achieving full-spectrum military dominance over Africa. Be it forcing Eastern European nations into joining NATO for its expansion, or the US armed force chief from the US spearheading NATO for a first strike nuclear option to be used anywhere in the world a threat may rise. Switch the word religious in your quote with American, and that's the international opinion at present. If your feelings are inclined that the majority of Americans would benefit if Christians were to remain silent, granted your wish, would you require not only we return our votes, though, the flag along with our rights, or will you require us to continue to sacrafice our lives where we are asked to serve the flag.


i'm not saying the religious zealots have a monopoly on violence.  the american presidents (who, of course must profess their loyalty to some unexplained version of god, presumably of the christian variety, in order to get elected) have certainly done their part without direct religious influence although they will invoke god's name as justification every now and then, perhaps as a trump card to get the ignorant masses on board.

i wouldn't have a problem with anyone participating in the political process, no matter their religion, but when they start discriminating against others and imposing their vews on others based on some presumed entity, whatever version they subscribe to, and based on some religion, that is no better or more viable than thousands of others, or based on the bible, which is much worse than most books, i have a problem.  
 
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System, have to agree, "Train a child in the way they should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." [Proverbs 22:6] after viewing the provided "Get them while they're young" link.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

The entire story of Harry Potter is good vs evil, which seems to be the main argument aerial is making. The purpose of the universe was to conquer evil. That's the underlying theme throughout all 7 Harry Potter books. The lessons derived from both books are the same. The difference is Harry Potter books don't advocate slavery or killing your first born child to serve some imaginary being.

Hey are you still investigating Harry? When are you going to look into superman?...lol

Just having a little fun so again please don't mind me and I did answer your good buddy vanzacks questions.

 
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SirJohnDrake, special request for proverb, if you would be so kind.

 
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The bottom line is, the believer in God says the actual belief in Him trumps all.  According to them, He forgives everything if you believe in Him.  Too simplistic for me.  How can one live the horrible life, believe in God, and go to heaven yet the other chap lives a good life, just can't believe in God no matter how hard they try, and ends up in hell? 

It just doesn't add up for me. 

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Hutch em' all, The Creator God of the universe would be a God of order. The laws that govern the physical universe are so precise that we can calculate the positions of planets, stars, and galaxies thousands to millions of years into the future. Would a God of this kind of precision design moral laws that are random or changing? It doesn't seem likely or consistent with the character of the Creator that we know from the reality of the creation. Therefore, it seems likely that unchanging moral laws are consistent with the God of creation. If a ticket into heaven is based on; because one has behaved about as good, and maybe even better, compared to the rest of the people on earth. The problem with this idea is that God does not grade on the curve.

Countries, on the basis of a foreigner having a criminal record can enforce rejection for entry, despite it being theft or murder. It matters not, because conviction of one makes you a transgressor of the law. All humans fall short of God's moral requirements. Therefore, God has made a provision to erase all sins that we have committed in this life and to perfect us. That provision for sin is through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Jesus took the punishment that we deserve and gives us the reward that we do not deserve - eternal life.

So why doesn't God make everyone into perfect beings and allow them all into heaven you ask. Since many people prefer hell to the alternative. All the people who end up going to hell will have done so because they actually prefer hell to being forced into the presence of God for all eternity. People like to live in their favorite sins and answer to no one else. They know that if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior that God will want them to change their lives and they might have to give up some of their autonomy. Although the gift is "free," it will cost you your sin, selfishness,  and pride. Since none of these character traits are allowed into heaven but must be separated from God in a place called Hell.

When jesus was crucified on the cross, it was between two thieves. one of those men realized Jesus had a kingdom beyond the grave. He looked over at Jesus, saw Jesus in His weakest state, dying on a cross, yet he believed. The Bible says, “And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.” Luke 23:42-43 KJV. Though, God will judge accordingly, as when one is not blind to belief in Him, you can't live with one foot in heaven and the other in hell.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Hey are you still investigating Harry? When are you going to look into superman?...lol

Just having a little fun so again please don't mind me and I did answer your good buddy vanzacks questions.


Superman could be real, too. We don't know. The likelihood he exists is just the same as the likelihood god exists.
 
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Kittykatz - you have more patience than I do.

It is one thing to try and debate these guys on hocus pocus, but they really have proven to not be mentally capable of conducting a debate.

These answers are hilarious.  "anyone can get a job" - in Africa?  How about rural China?  "I dont know what coveting has to do with capitalism" - huh?  Capitalism survives because of competition, and competition comes from coveting. 

Rostos and SJD worldview is so limited it is laughable.  I cant even address them anymore.  Rostos just makes up facts and presents them as real facts, Aerial makes zero sense, and SJD can do nothing but regurgitate bible verses.  They are so wrapped up in themselves and their me me me religion it is scary - and dont even realize it. 

Their answers to the 10 commandments questions speak for themselves, its as if they were written by either a 4th grader or someone who has no clue what goes on the world, or both.

Hey Rostos - I will ask you because SJD totally ignored it last night - why dont you ship your computer off to a school in Africa?  Why dont you quit your job and volunteer for the needy?  Jesus is ashamed of you.

 

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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Anyone can get a job cleaning toilets.

Furthermore if u clearly attempting to get jobs then one coulb be on unemployment benfits

In lots of the world, they dont have toilets.  They certainly dont have jobs.

Shame on you for your stupidity.

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ClubDirt, unless you are active in politics, those opinion ends after voting. It is at that point you are represented. The point was, is not US foreign policy imposing its views on others? Is not this foreign policy using your words; "much worse than most books". What is causing more chaos in the world; the Bible being imposed in politics? or US foreign policy?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

In lots of the world, they dont have toilets.  They certainly dont have jobs.

Shame on you for your stupidity.


I tried 3 times to create a scenario where it is impossible to get a job, but Rostos keeps inserting his own facts where they don't belong. Even at a regular store, even in the worst possible jobs on the planet, there are people who need jobs. Who are they gonna hire: the high school graduate with no experience, but who can at least survive on his own or the homeless bum who walks in off the street in ragged clothes regardless of whether he graduated high school? These people are hopeless. Society gives them no chance. But somehow Rostos says "just get a job" like it's that easy.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

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Shame on my stupidity.

That's ok we all make mistakes now and then and once again let me remind you:

To covet is to want ardently (esp. something that another person has), long for with envy, in otherwords wanting someone's wife or girlfriend etc and so what does capitalism have to do with coveting?...lol ...I think you need to study your dictionary as well as the Holy Bible, but please put more emphasis on the Holy Bible.

Lastly I did answer all your questions and I see you didn't even respond to my answers and so I guess I can assume they were excellent answers from me that you can't disagree with, thanks brother van.

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There are over 4000 religions on this planet all believing there religion is the right one to the afterlife or where ever there religion says is paradise or getting virgins or promises of a better life when you are dead. hmmm word dead: ( lifeless, unreponsive, extinguished, inanimate,  no longer active or functioning, lacking power, signifacance, or effect. ETC) I think you get the idea.
 
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1. Was it ok for him to kill over 3,000 innocent people at the World Trade Center and numerous others worldwide?

If he wanted to surrender then it wouldn't be right to kill him but on the otherhand if he went for a weapon then it would be justified to kill him.

Where do you come up with that shit?  It says THOU SHALL NOT KILL.  Now you say it is OK to kill if he went for a weapon?  What about the absolute law of the 10 commandments?  Do you just make this up as you go along?

2. If he was surrendering to you then it wouldn't be right to kill him. Once again, SJD ammends the 10 commandments.  "Thou shall not kill, unless they refuse surrender"  Jeesh.

3. Why steal when you have mouth to ask for food?, c'mon haven't you seen compassionate people in your life. There are numerous shelters where one can get help. Furthermore if you see someone who is begging you for food wouldn't you help your brother in need? There are compassionate people out there!

I realize you have probably never been outside of the USA, and your comfort zone.  But you have heard of the other half of the world right?  The parts where EVERYONE is hungry?  It takes some kind of asshole to sit back with extravagance like you, and tell half of the world that they have to accept their circumstances.  That takes some kind of nerve.  You are born in to wealth, and you deserve it, because god loves you.  What a crock.  That sounds like what Jesus would say? 

4. To covet is to want ardently (esp. something that another person has), long for with envy, in otherwords wanting someone's wife or girlfriend etc and so was does capitalism have to do with coveting?...lol ...I think you need to study your dictionary as well as the Holy Bible, but please put more emphasis on the Holy Bible.

Let me try to explain this to you:  Capitalism is based on competition.  Competition exists because I want what you have, and vice versa.  That is coveting.  In fact, capitalism would cease to exist without coveting.  You all but describe it above, but cant make the connection yourself.  Now - tell me how the capitalism that christians love so much - can survive without violating the 10 commandments.  You covet a better job, you covet more money, you covet a better life for your family, you look at your neighbors and covet their lifestyle.  Another one of the 10 commandments that is IMPOSSIBLE to uphold.

5. You must tell the truth and not be a false witness.

Let me paint the picture for you:  You know that a building will collapse if there are too many people in it.  You are asked by a bunch of christians if Benny Hinn (their hero) is inside of the building.  If you say yes, they will all go inside and die.  If you lie and say no, you save 1,000 lives.  Now - answer the question again.

6. As an American serviceman you are trained if you are a POW to just show them your dog tags and keep your mouth shut. ( dog tags are those tags that servicemen carry with them at all times that shows their name, rank, and serial number)

Once again, do you realize there are other people in the world besides Americans?  Can you really be this dopey?  So your suggestion is to keep quiet, rather than to lie to save lives?

7. If Mom and Dad are criminals plotting evil, it is your duty to turn them in to law enforcement.

(God's commandment of thou shalt not kill supersedes God's commandment of Honor thy mother and father and again

Once again, SJD rewrites the absolute law of the 10 commandments!!!  Thou shall not kill superceds honor thy father and mother according to SJD!!  Why?  Are the 10 commandments in some kind of order that you know about but the rest of us dont?

I said this before, but it must be really frightning, difficult, frustrating, and scary to live in a world where you are being constantly watched by the boogeyman while having to interpret mystical conflicting rules that could condemn you to eternal damnation.  I pity you.

So you see broth

er van, that's why the Lord Almighty will have a judgment day on everyone because yes, there can be some conflicts when dealing with the Commandments and the Good Lord will judge everyone accordingly and justly.

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Quote Originally Posted by misfits:

no hes not a heartless asshole, just a brainwashed idiot. and hes not smart enough to know his precious bible says its ok to steal if youre hungry. i cant believe this thread is still going since the only intelligent posts come from the 'heathens' here that dont believe in god

Aren't we being biased?...lol

You can't believe this thread is still going and yet you had to come in here and put your 2 cents in...lol

You know now that you are part of the reason why this thread is still going...lol

 
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Post 998 was a response to every one of SJD 10 commandments responses.

God must not have wanted me to post it, because I wrote about 1000 words and it disappeared.  Has anyone ever seen a totally blank post before?  That is the best proof of god put forth in this entire thread.

You win SJD.  I dont have the energy to recreate the post.

But I do love when you do personal 10 commandment ammendments like "thou shall not kill, unless you do not surrender or reach for a weapon" and "thou shall not kill is more important than honoring your mother and father".

Its hilarious.  Keep the laughs coming.

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