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Quote Posted by hutch:

So the guy who killed a bunch of people in the movie theater in Colorado goes to heaven if he believes in God.  Really?

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Hold on a minute...don't get ahead of yourself. It is not as simple as that. Let me explain as thoroughly and clearly as I can possibly be as to not cause any misunderstandings.

First of all to my knowledge this murderer is a young 24 yr. old man. I don't know if they have the death penalty in colorado but for the moment I will assume they don't and I will also assume this guy will get life imprisonment.

If this guy just for argument sake really starts to feel sorry for the actions he committed, becomes really remorseful while sitting in his jail cell for years and years, then finds God for comfort, starts reading the bible, then he is on his way of being forgiven for the heinous acts that he committed.

He sincerely repents his sins, (God knows if a person is really sincere, so you can't fool Him) ask God for His merciful forgiveness and salvation, then accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord Savior then yes, according to the scriptures God will allow him to enter His Kingdom of Heaven.

On the otherhand if this young man sits in jail for years and years and never finds God and never does the things I've mentioned above, then according to the scriptures he will be judged by God then punished for eternity in hell.

Now are we understanding all this?

 
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That actually makes perfect sense. God is an asshole who rewards murderers.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


What he did was not absolutely wrong. I will tell you that what he did is wrong. The United States of America will tell you that what he did is wrong. However, NO ONE can tell any of us for sure that he thinks what he did was wrong. And for all we know, there are people out there who agree with him. Even if every human being on the planet agrees that something is wrong, it is still not absolutely wrong, because we can conceive of a person who would think it is correct.

Morals are not absolute. They are relative. This is a fact. I have proven it over and over again. It is impossible to argue otherwise.


absolutey.  i imagine there are people in the middle east and other parts of the world who hate america, some of them for very good reason, who not only think what this did was not wrong, but absolutely right and exactly what we deserve. 

when we drop a bomb on a village in iraq or afghanistan and maybe some bad guys get killed but also some innocent people, our government tells us it's right, our freedom is at stake, and so on.  but there are families of the people killed who might think otherwise.  the same goes for any action. 

by the way drake, if you were born in the caves of afghanistan and raised by al qaeda sympathizers, you'd likely be cheering this movie theater event just like many people across the world probably are. 
 
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That actually makes perfect sense. God is an asshole who rewards murderers

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careful kitty!

Don't you understand God's mercy? He is giving all us sinners a chance to redeem ourselves and if we don't want it well it is really our choice then when we find ourselves in hell for all eternity.

 

 
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I am certain of very few things in life. I am as close as you can possibly be to being certain of something that is unknowable, that no supreme being exists. However, I can say this. I am 100% certain that if a supreme being exists, it is NOT the judeo-christian god as depicted in the old and new testaments. There is absolutely no shred of an iota of doubt in my mind that this god could exist.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

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Wow.. never seen that. But I read a headline that said his wife left him. Good for her. Damn he's a psycho.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

Sir John Drake, when this 24 year old man is allowed into heaven, will there be a beatdown waiting for him from the people that he killed?

And what if the people that he killed never got a chance to make their peace with God because they were murdered prematurely? Are they now in Hell? Or do they get a free pass?



Free will?  Pretty much freedom to do whatever you want.  

And honestly, wouldn't a psychopath or a mass murderer prefer to hang out in hell with the devil?  Why would the devil punish a murderer?  Aren't they on the same page?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

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now, did tom cruise's wife leave him because scientology is nuts or did he leave her because she's catholic and all that goes with that.  or did they both simultaneously decide the other was crazy?
 
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Sir John Drake, when this 24 year old man is allowed into heaven, will there be a beatdown waiting for him from the people that he killed?

No, heaven is paradise and a place of bliss it is not at all like what we have here on earth but again not necessarily will this murderer go to heaven, my previous post concerning this murderer explains it all.

And what if the people that he killed never got a chance to make their peace with God because they were murdered prematurely? Are they now in Hell? Or do they get a free pass?

Whoever among them were non believers in God, then according to the scriptures they go to hell, but whoever among them had believed in God, had repented their sins, had asked for forgiveness and had accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior, they will go to heaven according to the scriptures.
 
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hear what it is like listeneing sjr

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Do I detect a hint of hostility?..anger...frustration?...yes!...lol

Yet you come here continually reading my posts...lol

Too funny!...hihihihihi!

 

 
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And honestly, wouldn't a psychopath or a mass murderer prefer to hang out in hell with the devil?  Why would the devil punish a murderer?  Aren't they on the same page?
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No, hutch..believe me hell is not a good place to hang out for all eternity!
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


What he did was not absolutely wrong. I will tell you that what he did is wrong. The United States of America will tell you that what he did is wrong. However, NO ONE can tell any of us for sure that he thinks what he did was wrong. And for all we know, there are people out there who agree with him. Even if every human being on the planet agrees that something is wrong, it is still not absolutely wrong, because we can conceive of a person who would think it is correct.

Morals are not absolute. They are relative. This is a fact. I have proven it over and over again. It is impossible to argue otherwise.

Hey EVERYONE........KITTYKATZ just said what the guy at the Batman screening was NOT ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

MEANING, IN ANY POSSIBLE WORLD OR SCENARIO, SUCH A SCENARIO EXISTS WHERE WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT.!!!!!

He has noticed how with this case he has been backed into a corner and is now appealing to popularity to try "mask" the implications of is atheistic belief....

Basically to some up Kittykatz....

What that gunman did was NOT absolutely wrong, this means, their is a case where it would be right. It may not be popular what he did, but what the gumnan did was not absolutely wrong....

The problems of atheism.....

 
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After reading through some posts here,  i am ultimately convinced that some people have ZERO idea on Christianity, either they do and refuse to acknowldge it because it doesnt help their atheistic arguments or they really dont have an idea, but still want to bash it......

Seriously, some of the comments here are bordering on absurdity....

1. NO ONE KNOWS , NO ONE KNOWS where the gunman will end up once he dies...NO ONE....THEIR ARE NO GUARANTEES WHERE he will end up.

2. NONE of you are the judge, NONE, therefore mind your own business. NO ONE KNOWS. STOP JUDGING.

3. Physcopaths dont have free will?????? REALLY? REALLY? So you are all trying to say to me is that EVERY SINGLE PHYSCOPATH that has lived through the history of humanity has murdered or harmed someone? Really? Really?

The fact that Physcopaths have lived on this earth over the history of humanity and have never harmed anyone PROVES that Physcopaths have free will, they know what is right or wrong.

Gees, some people, get over it., NONE  of this helps your atheism, NONE.

The final straw was Kittykatz implying through his statement that a scenario exists where what the gunman did could be right.

This is the low levels that Atheists go through to defend their world view.

At the end of the day, haters are always going to hate, no matter what, they are just haters......

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiderpug:

Ya, keep believing in your invisable friend. There is no god, just like there is no santa claus. It also has to be proven there is a god not that there isn't. just like if I bet an under in a game, I am a winner until the game goes over.

We do have the real answers, its called "science"

But like most of the sheeple on the planet, most are too dumb or lazy to read, learn and understand and they just take the easy road out, they follow others and believe in fairy tales and magic..

Yes, there are most likely other living things in the universe, but they are too fucken far away to get too.

Agree 100%  

 
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Raiderpug, science is all man made answers and no human could have the answers thats what some of you fail to grasp.
 
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Dear Rostos,

Nothing is absolute. This is a fact. It is undeniable. I have proven it repeatedly. I just proved it and you failed to refute it. Morals are relative. This is also a fact. It is also undeniable.

Here is an example of why morals are without a shadow of a doubt, relative.

When testing a hypothesis, what is it you are trying to do? Your goal is to disprove it. You hope to fail, thus proving your hypothesis correct. All it takes is one instance to prove your hypothesis wrong. If the desired outcome does not happen even one time, your hypothesis is wrong.

Morals are absolute. Does a scenario exist where two people can have directly opposing viewpoints and both be valid? Yes. This is undeniable. Therefore, morals are not absolute. You can try to create as specific of a scenario as you want, as long as it is conceivable that someone could think what was done is right, then it is not absolute.

I feel like I haven't adequately explained why, so I will now. Each person has their own set of morals. My morals vary from yours. What I would do in certain situations may be different from what you do. The same way you can't tell me what I should enjoy doing, you can't tell me what is absolutely right or absolutely wrong. Morals are reserved to the individual to decide on. I decide what I think is right and wrong and I act accordingly. Since we live in a society that has laws based on morality, I must also take those into account if I want to be a part of this society. Therefore, I may have to place the perceived morals of society above my own at times in order to coexist peacefully. What society thinks matters, whether you or I agree or not. At any point, society could change what it thinks. For years, it was ok for blacks and women to not be allowed to vote. Society has since changed its views as have the people as a whole. Things change. Morals change. Circumstance affects what the right and wrong thing to do is. Morals cannot possibly be absolute because it is impossible to say that one act is wrong in every single instance.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Dear Rostos,

Nothing is absolute. This is a fact. It is undeniable. I have proven it repeatedly. I just proved it and you failed to refute it. Morals are relative. This is also a fact. It is also undeniable.

Here is an example of why morals are without a shadow of a doubt, relative.

When testing a hypothesis, what is it you are trying to do? Your goal is to disprove it. You hope to fail, thus proving your hypothesis correct. All it takes is one instance to prove your hypothesis wrong. If the desired outcome does not happen even one time, your hypothesis is wrong.

Morals are absolute. Does a scenario exist where two people can have directly opposing viewpoints and both be valid? Yes. This is undeniable. Therefore, morals are not absolute. You can try to create as specific of a scenario as you want, as long as it is conceivable that someone could think what was done is right, then it is not absolute.

I feel like I haven't adequately explained why, so I will now. Each person has their own set of morals. My morals vary from yours. What I would do in certain situations may be different from what you do. The same way you can't tell me what I should enjoy doing, you can't tell me what is absolutely right or absolutely wrong. Morals are reserved to the individual to decide on. I decide what I think is right and wrong and I act accordingly. Since we live in a society that has laws based on morality, I must also take those into account if I want to be a part of this society. Therefore, I may have to place the perceived morals of society above my own at times in order to coexist peacefully. What society thinks matters, whether you or I agree or not. At any point, society could change what it thinks. For years, it was ok for blacks and women to not be allowed to vote. Society has since changed its views as have the people as a whole. Things change. Morals change. Circumstance affects what the right and wrong thing to do is. Morals cannot possibly be absolute because it is impossible to say that one act is wrong in every single instance.

I think rostos is losing the little respect we had for him and is now moving toward the same level as sjd... 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

Raiderpug, science is all man made answers and no human could have the answers thats what some of you fail to grasp.

science = evidence
god = no evidence  

you decide...

 
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Agree 100%  


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science = No evidence how the universe started, No evidencethat somethig can come from nothing. No evidence that life can start from non life, No evidence that complexity of cells can arise by chance.
 
god = no evidence  

you decide...

I fixed it for you......

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Dear Rostos,

Nothing is absolute. This is a fact. It is undeniable. I have proven it repeatedly. I just proved it and you failed to refute it. Morals are relative. This is also a fact. It is also undeniable.
 

Here is an example of why morals are without a shadow of a doubt, relative.

When testing a hypothesis, what is it you are trying to do? Your goal is to disprove it. You hope to fail, thus proving your hypothesis correct. All it takes is one instance to prove your hypothesis wrong. If the desired outcome does not happen even one time, your hypothesis is wrong.

Morals are absolute. Does a scenario exist where two people can have directly opposing viewpoints and both be valid? Yes. This is undeniable. Therefore, morals are not absolute. You can try to create as specific of a scenario as you want, as long as it is conceivable that someone could think what was done is right, then it is not absolute.

I feel like I haven't adequately explained why, so I will now. Each person has their own set of morals. My morals vary from yours. What I would do in certain situations may be different from what you do. The same way you can't tell me what I should enjoy doing, you can't tell me what is absolutely right or absolutely wrong. Morals are reserved to the individual to decide on. I decide what I think is right and wrong and I act accordingly. Since we live in a society that has laws based on morality, I must also take those into account if I want to be a part of this society. Therefore, I may have to place the perceived morals of society above my own at times in order to coexist peacefully. What society thinks matters, whether you or I agree or not. At any point, society could change what it thinks. For years, it was ok for blacks and women to not be allowed to vote. Society has since changed its views as have the people as a whole. Things change. Morals change. Circumstance affects what the right and wrong thing to do is. Morals cannot possibly be absolute because it is impossible to say that one act is wrong in every single instance.

Lets play your game....

Last night what the man did last night at the screening, good on him, sucked in to the families who got affected. Serves them right......NOW, while you say to me that i am wrong, THIS IS NO DIFFERENT AT ALL to me saying that Sarah Jessica Parker is better looking than Kate Upton, NONE at all.....While the more popular opinion is that Kate Upton is better looking than SJP (much like popular opinion is that what that guy did was wrong) IT DOESNT MEAN i am wrong under the world of atheism....

I noticed their was a thread made about the shootings last night...

I will bet you anything you like, anything you like, if i entered that thread randomly and said "suck shit to the families of the effected and i really liked what that guy did, good on him"........I gurantee you, anything you like, i will create so much anger, hatred and i bet you i will get this account suspended.....

Would i get the same response if i said said SJP is better looking than Kate Upton? Would i get the same response if i said drinking raw eggs tastes better than Black forrest chocolate cake? WOuld my account be suspended if i made those remarks?

After all, Its all subjective opinion.......

The problems of atheism,....

 
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System, you can keep babbling all you want, but the truth is science doesnt prove God exists, nor does it prove he doesnt exist.

Science is just human opinions and i hate to burst your bubble, but humans dont have all the answers

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Lets play your game....

Last night what the man did last night at the screening, good on him, sucked in to the families who got affected. Serves them right......NOW, while you say to me that i am wrong, THIS IS NO DIFFERENT AT ALL to me saying that Sarah Jessica Parker is better looking than Kate Upton, NONE at all.....While the more popular opinion is that Kate Upton is better looking than SJP (much like popular opinion is that what that guy did was wrong) IT DOESNT MEAN i am wrong under the world of atheism....

I noticed their was a thread made about the shootings last night...

I will bet you anything you like, anything you like, if i entered that thread randomly and said "suck shit to the families of the effected and i really liked what that guy did, good on him"........I gurantee you, anything you like, i will create so much anger, hatred and i bet you i will get this account suspended.....

Would i get the same response if i said said SJP is better looking than Kate Upton? Would i get the same response if i said drinking raw eggs tastes better than Black forrest chocolate cake? WOuld my account be suspended if i made those remarks?

After all, Its all subjective opinion.......

The problems of atheism,....


You keep saying the same thing over and over again. You have yet to even begin to refute my argument. Because what I am saying is fact. As sure as I am that 2+2 = 4, morals are relative. It is indisputable. You can create as specific of a scenario as you want, even one where literally every human being would agree...that still doesn't make morals absolute. The fact that it is so difficult for you to even come up with a scenario where you can try and get everyone on the same side only further validates my point. I can't believe we're still having this argument. It is like saying 2+2 doesn't always equal 4. It does. Stop it. End of discussion. Morals are relative. Stop it. End of discussion.
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

System, you can keep babbling all you want, but the truth is science doesnt prove God exists, nor does it prove he doesnt exist.

Science is just human opinions and i hate to burst your bubble, but humans dont have all the answers


And humans do not profess to have all the answers.
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