Hutch has yet to show any evidence to prove otherwise.
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I've shown you plenty of evidence....you just ignore it. Innocent until proven guilty.....which puts the burden of proof on you, me boy. And all you have is shoddy science, misleading information, and the fact that Johnny in middle school supposedly knew about the plan.
You and the Duke Blue Devil can go and play in your little dream world. I've answered question after question after question.....and you only address questions with B.S. googled from some conspiracy site in response. That's what you types do....it's the shell game....just keep moving the ball around.
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Hutch has yet to show any evidence to prove otherwise.
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I've shown you plenty of evidence....you just ignore it. Innocent until proven guilty.....which puts the burden of proof on you, me boy. And all you have is shoddy science, misleading information, and the fact that Johnny in middle school supposedly knew about the plan.
You and the Duke Blue Devil can go and play in your little dream world. I've answered question after question after question.....and you only address questions with B.S. googled from some conspiracy site in response. That's what you types do....it's the shell game....just keep moving the ball around.
see how close the guys face is to the light? do you have any idea how hot it would be!!!!!!
that Pic is fire fighters looking for survivors!!!!!!!
the light is search lighting
also, i love on "lose change" when the kids are like "we called Boeing and they said that these were not from their plans" it's like wow and there was no way you could have recorded this conversation, OK, i guess i will just take your word for it
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one day in class we all had a good laugh.......
the classic pic of fire fighters were they show them by "Molten Metal"
see how close the guys face is to the light? do you have any idea how hot it would be!!!!!!
that Pic is fire fighters looking for survivors!!!!!!!
the light is search lighting
also, i love on "lose change" when the kids are like "we called Boeing and they said that these were not from their plans" it's like wow and there was no way you could have recorded this conversation, OK, i guess i will just take your word for it
I posted many other FACTS that you have yet to acknowledge. It is clear there are people who had foreknowledge of the attacks, otherwise you wouldn't see the insider trading leading up to the event. You have yet to address the 9-11 Commission members stating their report does not tell the whole truth. No word from you on Dick and Bush, doing everything they could to impede the investigation. No word on the Commission NOT covering the actual crime scene or evidence.
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These are interesting happenings that might have a LOT of different explanations. There is no proof of anything....only interesting stories. Let's say my mother was murdered and I decided to go on a cruise the next day. Does that make me guilty? Does that prove anything. NADA. Is it peculiar? Does it maybe make someone ask me some questions? Probably.
There is a difference, you simpleton.
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I posted many other FACTS that you have yet to acknowledge. It is clear there are people who had foreknowledge of the attacks, otherwise you wouldn't see the insider trading leading up to the event. You have yet to address the 9-11 Commission members stating their report does not tell the whole truth. No word from you on Dick and Bush, doing everything they could to impede the investigation. No word on the Commission NOT covering the actual crime scene or evidence.
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These are interesting happenings that might have a LOT of different explanations. There is no proof of anything....only interesting stories. Let's say my mother was murdered and I decided to go on a cruise the next day. Does that make me guilty? Does that prove anything. NADA. Is it peculiar? Does it maybe make someone ask me some questions? Probably.
see how close the guys face is to the light? do you have any idea how hot it would be!!!!!!
that Pic is fire fighters looking for survivors!!!!!!!
the light is search lighting
also, i love on "lose change" when the kids are like "we called Boeing and they said that these were not from their plans" it's like wow and there was no way you could have recorded this conversation, OK, i guess i will just take your word for it
They called the plant that didn't even make the engines (probably on purpose) in question....so of course, Boeing says, "we dont' make those here" and those bumbling morons call that evidence.
Never decided to talk to the guys at the plants that DID make the engines.
What investigative journalism.
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Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:
one day in class we all had a good laugh.......
the classic pic of fire fighters were they show them by "Molten Metal"
see how close the guys face is to the light? do you have any idea how hot it would be!!!!!!
that Pic is fire fighters looking for survivors!!!!!!!
the light is search lighting
also, i love on "lose change" when the kids are like "we called Boeing and they said that these were not from their plans" it's like wow and there was no way you could have recorded this conversation, OK, i guess i will just take your word for it
They called the plant that didn't even make the engines (probably on purpose) in question....so of course, Boeing says, "we dont' make those here" and those bumbling morons call that evidence.
Never decided to talk to the guys at the plants that DID make the engines.
You can quote 100 people, and I'll quote 100 people back. Your quotes from people "that were there " mean nothing to me. I'll contradict every single statement above with statements of other witnesses to the events. We can go on for days at that.
You want an engineer? How about the NIST guys, who openly admitted that WTC7 fell at Freefall speed? Is that enough for you Hutch, or wait, let me guess, you didnt watch any of the above videos.
Yep, that explains it.
OK, I'll take that challenge. Go ahead and post a quote from anyone (who was there) that contradicts what the firefighters said about WTC7.
In other words, one quote....just one (like before) who did NOT say they thought the building was going to collapse.
You give quotes from bunk scientists (I see you gave up the thermite thing ). How 'bout some quotes from people actually witnessed it.
And not some jackass who says he saw a missile hit the pentagon...he's already been proven to be wrong.
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Quote Originally Posted by smdio:
You can quote 100 people, and I'll quote 100 people back. Your quotes from people "that were there " mean nothing to me. I'll contradict every single statement above with statements of other witnesses to the events. We can go on for days at that.
You want an engineer? How about the NIST guys, who openly admitted that WTC7 fell at Freefall speed? Is that enough for you Hutch, or wait, let me guess, you didnt watch any of the above videos.
Yep, that explains it.
OK, I'll take that challenge. Go ahead and post a quote from anyone (who was there) that contradicts what the firefighters said about WTC7.
In other words, one quote....just one (like before) who did NOT say they thought the building was going to collapse.
You give quotes from bunk scientists (I see you gave up the thermite thing ). How 'bout some quotes from people actually witnessed it.
And not some jackass who says he saw a missile hit the pentagon...he's already been proven to be wrong.
More cell phone FACTS if you're interested. And FYI, cell phones in 2001 were a lot stronger then they are now. Not all calls got through, but many did.
More cell phone FACTS if you're interested. And FYI, cell phones in 2001 were a lot stronger then they are now. Not all calls got through, but many did.
More cell phone FACTS if you're interested. And FYI, cell phones in 2001 were a lot stronger then they are now. Not all calls got through, but many did.
funny how all the phone calls that day are short. would of been easy to hide the cellphone and keep it on huh
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
More cell phone FACTS if you're interested. And FYI, cell phones in 2001 were a lot stronger then they are now. Not all calls got through, but many did.
It is clear there are people who had foreknowledge of the attacks, otherwise you wouldn't see the insider trading leading up to the event.
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You just assume this means the government is involved and quit there. Perhaps you might try and find an explanation other then just assuming. But you're not interested in that. How 'bout you share some facts or some proof for a change.
Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options--investments that pay off only when a stock drops in price--surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10--highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades. These examples typify the evidence examined by the investigation. The SEC and the FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous. Joseph Cella interview (Sept. 16, 2003; May 7, 2004; May 10-11, 2004); FBI briefing (Aug. 15, 2003); SEC memo, Division of Enforcement to SEC Chair and Commissioners, "Pre-September 11, 2001 Trading Review," May 15, 2002; Ken Breen interview (Apr. 23, 2004); Ed G. interview (Feb. 3, 2004).
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It is clear there are people who had foreknowledge of the attacks, otherwise you wouldn't see the insider trading leading up to the event.
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You just assume this means the government is involved and quit there. Perhaps you might try and find an explanation other then just assuming. But you're not interested in that. How 'bout you share some facts or some proof for a change.
Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options--investments that pay off only when a stock drops in price--surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10--highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades. These examples typify the evidence examined by the investigation. The SEC and the FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous. Joseph Cella interview (Sept. 16, 2003; May 7, 2004; May 10-11, 2004); FBI briefing (Aug. 15, 2003); SEC memo, Division of Enforcement to SEC Chair and Commissioners, "Pre-September 11, 2001 Trading Review," May 15, 2002; Ken Breen interview (Apr. 23, 2004); Ed G. interview (Feb. 3, 2004).
More cell phone FACTS if you're interested. And FYI, cell phones in 2001 were a lot stronger then they are now. Not all calls got through, but many did.
Yep, we live in a world where our technology gets WORSE as we move forward in time. That makes total sense.
You're now becoming more and more disgustingly incredible with every post. Your eagerness to address our points and instead "laugh them off" makes you look 100% gulity of knowing the truth
Keep it up
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
More cell phone FACTS if you're interested. And FYI, cell phones in 2001 were a lot stronger then they are now. Not all calls got through, but many did.
Yep, we live in a world where our technology gets WORSE as we move forward in time. That makes total sense.
You're now becoming more and more disgustingly incredible with every post. Your eagerness to address our points and instead "laugh them off" makes you look 100% gulity of knowing the truth
I didn't have longer than 5 minutes tonight, but I can get many many more, if you wish
Also, why have you stopped talking about WTC7 freefall speed? You wanted structural engineers to "put their reputations on the line". You wanted one, just one. Remember? I gave you the team that our own government hired to investigate, NIST. They claim that over 50% of the collapsing time was in freefall speed. They claim the other 50% was obstructed by the falling debris pilling up below.
Why do you so quickly want to start debunking Loose Change, when I never mentioned -anything- about that video clip?
The truth hurts, doesn't it Hutch
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
OK, I'll take that challenge. Go ahead and post a quote from anyone (who was there) that contradicts what the firefighters said about WTC7.
In other words, one quote....just one (like before) who did NOT say they thought the building was going to collapse.
You give quotes from bunk scientists (I see you gave up the thermite thing ). How 'bout some quotes from people actually witnessed it.
And not some jackass who says he saw a missile hit the pentagon...he's already been proven to be wrong.
I didn't have longer than 5 minutes tonight, but I can get many many more, if you wish
Also, why have you stopped talking about WTC7 freefall speed? You wanted structural engineers to "put their reputations on the line". You wanted one, just one. Remember? I gave you the team that our own government hired to investigate, NIST. They claim that over 50% of the collapsing time was in freefall speed. They claim the other 50% was obstructed by the falling debris pilling up below.
Why do you so quickly want to start debunking Loose Change, when I never mentioned -anything- about that video clip?
Still waiting for Smdio to post actual evidence (this is something other than his own words) of anyone saying a MALE called his MOTHER using a CELLPHONE from flight 93.
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Still waiting for Smdio to post actual evidence (this is something other than his own words) of anyone saying a MALE called his MOTHER using a CELLPHONE from flight 93.
Still waiting for Smdio to post actual evidence (this is something other than his own words) of anyone saying a MALE called his MOTHER using a CELLPHONE from flight 93.
I don't like the fact that you're trying to get the name of the lady that I've spoken with. I will NOT give you this information and if you cared about it enough, it is readily available to you. All you have to do is ask. But the answer won't come from me. I promised her to not reveal her or her son's name.
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Quote Originally Posted by tpjw44:
Still waiting for Smdio to post actual evidence (this is something other than his own words) of anyone saying a MALE called his MOTHER using a CELLPHONE from flight 93.
I don't like the fact that you're trying to get the name of the lady that I've spoken with. I will NOT give you this information and if you cared about it enough, it is readily available to you. All you have to do is ask. But the answer won't come from me. I promised her to not reveal her or her son's name.
I don't like the fact that you're trying to get the name of the lady that I've spoken with. I will NOT give you this information and if you cared about it enough, it is readily available to you. All you have to do is ask. But the answer won't come from me. I promised her to not reveal her or her son's name.
BS! The names of the victims and the names of their families have been all over various media outlets. How about this then? Provide me proof (other than your own words) that a male on that flight even made a phone call (other than the six that I listed in my post). Only ONE of the six I listed call their mother. He used an airfone. So again, just show me proof that a different male even made a phone call. You said you have proof of all the calls that were made. Lets see it.
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Quote Originally Posted by smdio:
I don't like the fact that you're trying to get the name of the lady that I've spoken with. I will NOT give you this information and if you cared about it enough, it is readily available to you. All you have to do is ask. But the answer won't come from me. I promised her to not reveal her or her son's name.
BS! The names of the victims and the names of their families have been all over various media outlets. How about this then? Provide me proof (other than your own words) that a male on that flight even made a phone call (other than the six that I listed in my post). Only ONE of the six I listed call their mother. He used an airfone. So again, just show me proof that a different male even made a phone call. You said you have proof of all the calls that were made. Lets see it.
Lets also bring up another interesting fact. You quote the NIST report and the collapse time to support your demolition theory. Here are two other quotes from the report:
"Preparations for a blast scenario would have been almost impossible to
carry out on any floor in the building without detection."
"Therefore, the Investigation Team concluded that there was no
demolition type blast that would have been intense enough to lead to
collapse."
So those quotes in the NIST report contradict your theory. So do you believe the NIST report or not? You can't just pick certain parts out of the report and discount others.
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Lets also bring up another interesting fact. You quote the NIST report and the collapse time to support your demolition theory. Here are two other quotes from the report:
"Preparations for a blast scenario would have been almost impossible to
carry out on any floor in the building without detection."
"Therefore, the Investigation Team concluded that there was no
demolition type blast that would have been intense enough to lead to
collapse."
So those quotes in the NIST report contradict your theory. So do you believe the NIST report or not? You can't just pick certain parts out of the report and discount others.
Your not going to get him to admit that he is wrong. He will try and contradict everything you say, even if it means making something up (Hence the story about talking to some mother that got a fake cell phone call). I believe we have done our part to disprove this guy on the Free Fall and on the Cell phones. As for WTC7, there are only a few videos of what happened to that, so going off any video of WTC7 is just speculation. The video I posted clearly shows how long it took for WTC1 and WTC2 to fall, no matter what he tries to come up with. He is full of lie's, just like the guy in the Loose Change video, he makes stuff up.
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Hutch, TPJW,
Your not going to get him to admit that he is wrong. He will try and contradict everything you say, even if it means making something up (Hence the story about talking to some mother that got a fake cell phone call). I believe we have done our part to disprove this guy on the Free Fall and on the Cell phones. As for WTC7, there are only a few videos of what happened to that, so going off any video of WTC7 is just speculation. The video I posted clearly shows how long it took for WTC1 and WTC2 to fall, no matter what he tries to come up with. He is full of lie's, just like the guy in the Loose Change video, he makes stuff up.
Your not going to get him to admit that he is wrong. He will try and contradict everything you say, even if it means making something up (Hence the story about talking to some mother that got a fake cell phone call). I believe we have done our part to disprove this guy on the Free Fall and on the Cell phones. As for WTC7, there are only a few videos of what happened to that, so going off any video of WTC7 is just speculation. The video I posted clearly shows how long it took for WTC1 and WTC2 to fall, no matter what he tries to come up with. He is full of lie's, just like the guy in the Loose Change video, he makes stuff up.
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Quote Originally Posted by reillym32:
Hutch, TPJW,
Your not going to get him to admit that he is wrong. He will try and contradict everything you say, even if it means making something up (Hence the story about talking to some mother that got a fake cell phone call). I believe we have done our part to disprove this guy on the Free Fall and on the Cell phones. As for WTC7, there are only a few videos of what happened to that, so going off any video of WTC7 is just speculation. The video I posted clearly shows how long it took for WTC1 and WTC2 to fall, no matter what he tries to come up with. He is full of lie's, just like the guy in the Loose Change video, he makes stuff up.
Although I must admit this is not very good proof of a plane carrying a missile, it begs the question of "Where are the videos of Flight 77 hitting the pentagon" to be answered, wouldnt you agree?
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Then why did they identify almost all the bodies of the people on that flight as well as tons of debris FROM A 757????
Directly answer that question or I'm done here.
If I found wreckage from a Cessna 172 in my house when I got home from vacation, I WOULDN'T NEED A FUCKING VIDEO TO KNOW THAT ONE HIT IT.
You honestly are this stupid, aren't you?
Holy hell that's funny.
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
Although I must admit this is not very good proof of a plane carrying a missile, it begs the question of "Where are the videos of Flight 77 hitting the pentagon" to be answered, wouldnt you agree?
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Then why did they identify almost all the bodies of the people on that flight as well as tons of debris FROM A 757????
Directly answer that question or I'm done here.
If I found wreckage from a Cessna 172 in my house when I got home from vacation, I WOULDN'T NEED A FUCKING VIDEO TO KNOW THAT ONE HIT IT.
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