September 11, 2001 (long read)

And yet another reason why you are a disgusting human being.  You have spent $100,000 investigating 09/11, but somehow can't get this FACT straight either.

Claim: Charles Burlingame, an ex-Navy F4 pilot who worked in the Pentagon, participated in an exercise simulating crashing a 757 into a building in October 2000, before retiring to take a job at American Airlines,

Truth: Charles Burlingame started working for AA in 1979 and retired from the Naval Reserve in 1996, 4 years before these supposed exercises took place.

The fact that you would even post something about this man that is false is absolutely disgusting.  You have spent so much time and money on this yet you would post something that could lead others to believe he was somehow involved.  Sickening!  This man is a hero and devoted his life to this country.  Why don't you read some truth about him here...https://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/cfburling3.htm

I find it VERY DIFFICULT to believe you have spent that much time or money investigating 09/11/10.  You had no idea the "man with no legs" story was cleared up YEARS AGO.  You had no idea Charles Burlingame did not lead, but even had no part in any exercise at the Pentagon simulating a plane crashing into the building.  You should apologize "perfusely"  This man's service to our country was extensive and heroic.

More on the disgusting lies by the conspiracy movement

This American Hero had left the Pentagon four years prior

Avery tells us about the Pentagon MASCAL (mass casualty) exercise in 2000, in which a 757 is simulated to crash into the building. I couldn't find any reliable sources on the internet that state it was specifically a 757, every page that does seems to be quoting directly from Loose Change. It was a passenger plane, but it didn't actually crash into the building itself. It crashed into the courtyard. A plausible scenario, considering Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport is a couple miles away from the Pentagon, and flights have to make sharp turns and quick climbs on approaches and takeoffs in order to avoid restricted airspace around central Washington.

Avery goes on to claim that Charles Burlingame, a former F-4 Phantom pilot in the Navy, participated in MASCAL before retiring to work at American Airlines. He was the pilot of Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon—the building, not the courtyard. I was unable to find any credible evidence associating Burlingame with MASCAL, but the claim that he joined American Airlines less than a year before September 11 is disproven by the Washington Post:

He had eluded death before, in his eight years flying F-4 Phantom jet fighters for the Navy and 17 years in the cockpit for American Airlines.

As well as USA Today:

He joined the American Airlines team in 1979.

The Military District of Washington planned for a plane crash just like the in their "Mascal" planning excercise on October 24, 2000.

I'm telling you these guys are disgusting human beings.  Its funny how these guys like to make shit up no matter who it is hurting, but then when you ask them to reveal there sources (Mother who got fake call on cell phone) they claim they are protecting them.  Smdio is a f*cking liar and a piece of sh*t.

When there isn't any evidence they make shit up, when there is evidence they say it was planted made to look that way by the government.  Remember you can't disprove something that is made up since the shit didn't happen in the first place.

You know whats not made up:

1.  Two planes flying into the world trade centers
2.  One plane flying into the pentagon
3. 3000 people died
4.  The buildings didn't fall at free fall speed (I don't care what the fuck you say smdio, you have already discredited yourself.)
5.  Remains of the deceased were found and identified from both the Pentagon and Flight 93 in Pennsylvania.
6. Parts from both Flight 93 and Flight 77 were found at the scene and can be clearly seen in pictures from the pentagon and Flight 93 crash site.
7.  David Chandler is a High School physics teacher and was wrong in his analysis.  Remember this guy is no Professor and he is no respected physicist.  They quote this guy because he is the only one supporting there view and his video is deceptive enough to make their version of what happened sound good.  Here is a video debunking this high school teacher.  I'll let the video speak for itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rhY9c_iemA
smdio and his buddy David Chandler like to show you a video well after the collapse actually started to occur.
The building itself went down well after the events of 9/11 took place and was barely noticed by anyone until conspiracy theorists brought it up.  No one died in it and there was absolutely no reason to bring it down.
8. It was and is possible to make cell phone calls from airplanes using cell phones.  This has been proven by industry experts and they are even trying to make it allowed on airplanes now.  We have given you the proof of this, deny it if you want.
9. That most calls were made from Air Phones

Here is what is made up or purely speculation:
1. That the towers fell at free fall speed.
2. That a missile hit the pentagon
3. That the plane that hit the WTC shot a missile off
4. That our buddy smdio talked to someones mother who got a fake cell call(show us the evidence)
5.That the World Trade Centers were brought down in a controlled demolition.
6. smdio scifi fantasy story of what happened to the passengers of Flight 93
7.  That trading and put options and purchasing of insurance was because insiders had knowledge the attack was going to happen.
8.  That smdio spent $100,000 on investigating this stuff when all he has done is repeating whats on the movie Loose Change and a couple videos from his good friend David Chandler.

Smdio, I've been reading this thread since you started it. I've enjoyed reading the back and forth throughout it.  Honestly though, you've been owned throughout the whole thing by different posters.  I still believe that it was known that was something was going to happen and the govt knew it and let it go.  There was no vast conspiracy about it though.  The easiest way to pull off any conspiracy of this magnitude is to have plausible deniability.  And thats what they have and will hide behind it forever.  It doesn't matter.  There is nothing we can ever do.  We just don't have any power.   

I guess your going to blame this new bomb threats on Bush and the US .

There all guilty. If i ever see condalisa rice or whatever in the fuck her name is Im gonna punch her right in her tits

I gave you a detailed analysis of the major problems with the videos that you posted, and all you come up with is THAT rebuttle?

You lose

Drizle, I can see you don't post a lot, so I appreciate you chiming in.  Even if you think I'm getting owned

I'm just looking for a couple answers, here.  I lost a very close friend of mine (my dad) that day, and it's really just a mission of mine to let everyone know what I believe to be the truth.  I'm completely aware that I won't convince even 1/4 of the people I talk to.  But even if I could open the eyes of 1 out of 100 people, that would be enough for me. 

I believe this country is a jaugernaut of force, capable of doing just about anything they wish, at any time they wish.  loss of innocent life is not important to them, so long as their goals of financial prosperity and world dominance is achieved.  I believe 9/11 served as a catastrophic event which furthered the need to rely on our government for protection, and gave certain groups a reason to go to war and make this country even stronger than we were before.

Al Quadia, a terrorist organization known not only for their total disregard for life, but also for complete chaos in terms of leadership and organization, would be the equivilant of and NBA Basketball team (the U.S. government, CIA, etc)  taking on one of your local High School teams.  But yet this High School team not only won the game, they pulled off one of the largest margin of victories ever seen in the NBA. 

Our government is lying to us:

1.)  Not a single video of Flight 77 hitting the pentagon, although 150+ cameras are focused on this builing at all times.

2.)  Donald Rumsfeld saying in a press conferance that Flight 93 was shot down

3.) President Bush claiming that he saw on TV the South Tower struck by an aircraft

4.) The government standing in the way of NIST researching the actual collapse of WTC1 and WTC2, and only letting them research "the events leading up to the attacks", not the actual attacks themselves.

5.)  80% of the steel from the WTC collapse buildings was immediately shipped overseas and melted in Asia.  This would be like conducting an autopsy without a body.

Too many things are misleading.  It absolutely REEKS of a coverup.  Yet people don't care!  Even if you slapped them in the face with proof of a coverup, they wouldn't want it to be true.  Certain people make a very good living and are comfortable with their lifestyle.  They don't want to live in fear that the government or other group of global elite are capable of disrupting their lifestyle. 

And that's fine.  I didn't really think I would get too far in this thread.  But at least I tried

Oh wow.  How did I miss this the first time?!

No reason to bring it down, eh?  Okay. This should be fun

WTC7 housed the likes of the IRS, , Department of Defense, CIA, U.S. Secret Service, ITT Hartford Insurance Group, Salomin Smith Barney, amongst others. These were the major tenants, others smaller tenants though did exist.

Let's not speculate about why the government would want every file in that building destroyed, but let us look at the fact that the IRC was about to release one of the biggest insider trading scandals in the history of the United States.  This information was destroyed in the collapse of WTC7, and has never been persued since.

Oh, how about the almighty dollar for motive?  Donald Rumsfeld is on record saying in a White House press conferance that there is $3.2 trillion missing in relation to the WTC7 collapse.  A large part of this was because the U.S. was storing Saudi gold under the infastrucure of WTC7.  This gold was never recovered from the wreckage.

Why on EARTH would they destroy a building that has $3.2 trillion inside of it?  Hmm, You got me there

Oh, and what does the number "trillion" look like?

1,000,000,000,000

That would buy a lot of coverup stories and/or new lifestyles, don't you think?

Oh!  and don't forget, we'd have to multiply that number by 3.2, according to Mr. Rumsfeld

Hey let's switch roles.  How about you debunk my question?  How lazy and stupid can you really be???


A large part of this was because the U.S. was storing Saudi gold under the infastrucure of WTC7.  This gold was never recovered from the wreckage.


Treasure Found in World Trade Center Rubble
NEW YORK - Over $230 million in gold and silver was recovered from a delivery tunnel beneath 5 World Trade Center Wednesday. Canada's Bank of Nova Scotia stored over $200 million in gold and silver in their vaults under the building. They are still unsure how much of the recovered metal was theirs. It is believed that there were other valuables stored in the vaults but there is no information on how much of it has been lost or recovered in the disaster.

Officials finally reached the trove Tuesday after removing a 10-wheel truck and several cars that had been crushed by the debris. No bodies were recovered. More than 100 armed officers watched the workers. The contents of the vaults had to be removed because authorities need to demolish the building. - Reuters and New York Daily News

The $230 million in precious metals has been moved from the basement vaults of ScotiaMocatta Depository at 4 WTC, where it was stored on behalf of the New York Mercantile Exchange when the September 11 attacks brought down the twin towers. All warehouse staff got out safely.

In a joint statement Friday, NYBOT and ScotiaMocatta, the metals trading division of Canada's Bank of Nova Scotia, said the metals had been relocated and were again available to guaranty delivery of futures contracts exchange traded at the COMEX metals division of the NYMEX.

"All of the silver, gold, platinum, and palladium stored in its vaults at 4 World Trade Center have been successfully relocated by an Exchange-approved carrier to a newly Exchange-licensed Brink's Inc depository in Brooklyn," they said.

So you were wrong about where it was stored.  You were wrong that it was never recovered.

And you still owe the Burlingames an apology.  Funny how you didn't reply to that thread.

Just to let you know...once this thread hits 1,000 posts Covers will implode. Carry on at your own risk! 

13 cell phone calls were made.  Can you read, Reilly?  THIRTEEN.  28 total calls were made.  That makes 13 cell calls and 15 airphone.  Clearly, most = 15?

WRONG!  YET AGAIN!


37 phone calls were made. 17 of them were successful, meaning that about 46% of the calls placed from the plane were actually successful.  Successful cell phone calls were placed at 9:50 by Sandra Bradshaw, 9:49 by Marion Britton, 9:58 by Edward Felt, and 9:30, 9:37 and 9:44 by Tom Burnett. 

As for the calls working...

From this morning's New York Times: "According to industry experts, it is possible to use cell phones with varying success during the ascent and descent of commercial airline flights, although the difficulty of maintaining a signal appears to increase as planes gain altitude. Some older phones, which have stronger transmitters and operate on analog networks, can be used at a maximum altitude of 10 miles, while phones on newer digital systems can work at altitudes of 5 to 6 miles. A typical airline cruising altitude would be 35,000 feet, or about 6.6 miles."

The Times added that "there is little evidence, if indeed any, to suggest that the use of cell phones interferes with an aircraft's avionics or communications systems. In other words, no one knows with certainty whether cell phones affect an aircraft's ability to communicate with ground personnel or other aircraft. After all, an abundance of radio, television and other communications signals already travel through airwaves with minimal consequences for airborne communications systems." Ken Shirriff (again) referred Explainer to a 1999 Wall Street Journal article, which concurs with the Times' judgment.

And I don't want to just hear that you have quotes to refute this.  SHOW THEM!!!  Problem is most of your information is absolute garbage (Burlingame, man with no legs, gold not being recovered, etc)

Reilly, I'm bored with you.  You do nothing to contradict my points and instead pick my "weakest one" and try to argue it until your red in the face.

Rumsfeld admitted that $3.2 Trillion has been missing due to the WTC7 collapse.  By the way, Donald Rumsfeld was the Secretary of Defense on 9/11/2001, just so you know.  So you found some gold?  Okay, great.  Will you now call Rumsfeld a liar?

I know it hurts to see the truth.  But stop making it so obvious that you're bitter about the coverup that you won't admitt to, k?

Reilly, since you ignore the important parts of my posting (diliberitly, I might add), I'm going to highlight something for you above ^^^

This is what you I claimed:

Donald Rumsfeld is on record saying in a White House press conferance that there is $3.2 trillion missing in relation to the WTC7 collapse.  A large part of this was because the U.S. was storing Saudi gold under the infastrucure of WTC7.  This gold was never recovered from the wreckage.

And this is what you came back with:

NEW YORK - Over $230 million in gold and silver was recovered from a delivery tunnel beneath 5 World Trade Center Wednesday. Canada's Bank of Nova Scotia stored over $200 million in gold and silver in their vaults under the building. They are still unsure how much of the recovered metal was theirs. It is believed that there were other valuables stored in the vaults but there is no information on how much of it has been lost or recovered in the disaster.

Officials finally reached the trove Tuesday after removing a 10-wheel truck and several cars that had been crushed by the debris. No bodies were recovered. More than 100 armed officers watched the workers. The contents of the vaults had to be removed because authorities need to demolish the building. - Reuters and New York Daily News

The $230 million in precious metals has been moved from the basement vaults of ScotiaMocatta Depository at 4 WTC, where it was stored on behalf of the New York Mercantile Exchange when the September 11 attacks brought down the twin towers. All warehouse staff got out safely.

In a joint statement Friday, NYBOT and ScotiaMocatta, the metals trading division of Canada's Bank of Nova Scotia, said the metals had been relocated and were again available to guaranty delivery of futures contracts exchange traded at the COMEX metals division of the NYMEX.

"All of the silver, gold, platinum, and palladium stored in its vaults at 4 World Trade Center have been successfully relocated by an Exchange-approved carrier to a newly Exchange-licensed Brink's Inc depository in Brooklyn," they said.

 

Now, I did my best to try and HIGHLIGHT the differences in your rebuttle and my claim.  Can you see them now?

Don't just fucking google "gold wtc" and come post this ridiculous crap.  You aren't even reading what I say, yet trying to act like some sort of super-genious.  Idiot

Boy, this f*ckhead really is trying to reach for sh*t now.  He is still standing by his claim that he talked to some mother about a fake phone call.  Show us the proof or shut the f*ck up about it.

How this since your words are the proof, then here, I talked to Al Quada on the phone and they said the U.S. government had nothing to do with it.  They told me to tell ignorant f*cks like you to stop being so damn idiotic.

By the way, dumb-f*ck, I wasn't the one commenting on your stupid f*cking gold theory.  I know its hard to decipher since so many of us are coming at you because your such a dumbf*ck.

How does it feel to be drowning in your stupid f*cking theories and know your trying to reach for anything so you can get your head above water but just can't get there.(My bad not your theories, the theories of Loose Change and David Chandler)

So much for debate. This has become nothing more than an exhibition of the narrow-mindedness and belligerence of yet another conspiracy theorist nut.

I'm surprised we haven't heard any reported testimony from some quack physicist, that has evidence of gravity being manipulated by the Illuminati in their cloaked spaceship!

most political things on covers follow this trend...

And where is your proof that Saudi gold was stored under WTC 7?  Exactly!

You still owe an apology to the Burlingames.

And yet again you are wrong.  3.2 trillion has NOTHING to do with WTC 7.

In fiscal 1999, a defense audit found that about $2.3 trillion of balances, transactions and adjustments were inadequately documented. These "unsupported" transactions do not mean the department ultimately cannot account for them, she advised, but that tracking down needed documents would take a long time. Auditors, she said, might have to go to different computer systems, to different locations or access different databases to get information.  

And there's another important point you're not being told. The language used in these claims, that Rumsfeld "announced" the missing $2.3 trllion on 9/10, along with the claim that he was "burying bad news", is designed to make you think that this information was only made public knowledge the day before the attacks. And that is utterly false. The report that uncovered the trillions appeared at the end of February 2000, and Rumsfeld and others had spoken about this before, on more than one occasion, and for months before the attacks:

Pentagon's finances in disarray

By JOHN M. DONNELLY The Associated Press 03/03/00 5:44 PM Eastern

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The military's money managers last year made almost $7 trillion in adjustments to their financial ledgers in an attempt to make them add up, the Pentagon's inspector general said in a report released Friday.

The Pentagon could not show receipts for $2.3 trillion of those changes, and half a trillion dollars of it was just corrections of mistakes made in earlier adjustments.

Each adjustment represents a Defense Department accountant's attempt to correct a discrepancy. The military has hundreds of computer systems to run accounts as diverse as health care, payroll and inventory. But they are not integrated, don't produce numbers up to accounting standards and fail to keep running totals of what's coming in and what's going out, Pentagon and congressional officials said.

January 7, 2001
The Defense Department's inspector general recently identified $6.9 trillion in accounting entries, but $2.3 trillion was not supported by adequate audit trails or sufficient evidence to determine its validity.

Another $2 trillion worth of entries were not examined because of time constraints, and therefore, the inspector general was able to audit only $2.6 trillion of accounting entries in a $6.9 trillion pot.
Contra Costa Times (California)

February 12th 2001
The inspector general of the Pentagon said there are 2.3 trillion dollars in items that they can't quite account for. That's not billion. That's trillion dollars. $2.3 trillion -- and the General Accounting Office said there are about $27 billion in inventory items that they can't find.
John Isaacs
PBS Online NewsHour

Now plainly the US Government saying this doesn't make it true, and we don't know what the real or current situation is. But equally, it's clear that the efforts to tie this in to 9/11 have major shortcomings. There's no clear reason given why the Bush adminstration would need to go to such efforts to conceal the problem, for instance. They didn't, either, and it was covered on several occasions before 9/11, so the fact that Rumsfeld mentioned the $2.3 trillion again on 9/10 seems to have no special importance. While the Pentagon attack did have an effect on the production of some DoD financial statements, it's not clear how significant this was, and another report suggests the DoD is reducing the “missing” amounts by taking steps to improve its accounting procedures. They still don't look too impressive to us -- $700 billion without proper documentation is a lot of money -- but it's hard to see how any of this constitutes a motive for the 9/11 attacks.

Do you honestly think the Pentagon stores money and/or financial records at WTC 7? 

The government didn't "steal" the money. They didn't even lose it, as should be obvious to all but 9/11 Deniers. The entire defense budget for 2001 was about $292 billion, so in order to believe that the government lost $2.3 trillion you'd have to believe that over 8 years' of spending had gone for nothing.

What's your next "main point" that I'm not addressing?  One by one, however, you never want to talk about them again when your proven wrong.

Oh, you still owe the Burlingames an apology.