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SYSTEM

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2010 - 10:33 PM ET #101

Quote Originally Posted by callmetim:

Sometimes you have to take one for the team!

Seriously, please do educate me. When did God command rape or slavery? Or murder?

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2010 - 10:39 PM ET #102

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Everyone here has faith in some shape or form but some people dont realise it...

When u go to a resteraunt and order food - u have FAITH / TRUST that the chef wont poison you.do u not........

U dont watch him cook the food but u have faith he wont poison u.....

U do not have to see to believe...

Think about a blind person from birth.......they have never seen the world, does that mean it doesnt exist?

He can feel it though........just like many christians can feel Christ in there lives

I understand you and know what you understand.

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2010 - 10:41 PM ET #103

Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

i don't know, something more than nothing. but that really jsut deals with people who describe their god with any specificity. how do they know? or rostos who seems to think 90% of the wold have the same idea of God? i don't get it.

but i disagree with you that scientists will never have an answer for how we got here and eveoled, etc. why do you assume that? obviously, we'll never know for sure but our collective knwoledge has come a long way. it was just a few very short years ago when we thought the earth was flat and rainbows were a path to heaven and thunder was God's anger, didn't know a damn thing about genetics and chromosomes, and all sorts of other stupid shit. in a blink of an eye, we have learned a lot.

why wouldn't we continue learning in the years to come to continue answering questions we don't know enough to answer now, or even ask?

because it's easier to just say god did it...

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2010 - 11:31 PM ET #104

Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

i don't know, something more than nothing. but that really jsut deals with people who describe their god with any specificity. how do they know? or rostos who seems to think 90% of the wold have the same idea of God? i don't get it.

but i disagree with you that scientists will never have an answer for how we got here and eveoled, etc. why do you assume that? obviously, we'll never know for sure but our collective knwoledge has come a long way. it was just a few very short years ago when we thought the earth was flat and rainbows were a path to heaven and thunder was God's anger, didn't know a damn thing about genetics and chromosomes, and all sorts of other stupid shit. in a blink of an eye, we have learned a lot.

why wouldn't we continue learning in the years to come to continue answering questions we don't know enough to answer now, or even ask?

And continue to learn we will. It's called the human experience. Or, in terms I like - the late, great director Jon Huston said, "I want to die when I lose interest."

You probably struggle as I did,until I married a Filipina - how in the world do people like the Mormons and Fundamentalists live and conduct themselves in such an arbitrary manner? Because it's what they've been raised with and deem as normal. I bring my wife into this equation because of the way she was raised. What we would deem, in terms of the things she's eaten., as vulgar, to her it was normal. It's what she grew up with. If you saw the movie The Silence of the Lambs, Anthony Hopkins asks Jody Foster the broad question of "what do we covet?" We covet was is normal to us.

For Rostos, I believe what he's trying to say, in not great terms, is God gave man a conscious. With that conscious, we were given 10 guiding principals. In giving us a conscious, God gave us 100% domain over only 1 thing....just 1. The ability to control and direct our thoughts. That's it. What people choose to do with that 100% is what makes us all unique. We all experience the world in such different ways, but with guiding principals and the freedom to control what we think, I believe that is what God's true intention is. You are charged over your lifetime with finding where you fit into that grand scheme. But, until you've found out where you are, you'll still covet the facts that spring follows, winter, winter follows fall, if you're alive, you're voluntarily breathing, the farmer plants seeds in the spring and harvests in fall, et al..That sort of natural order comes from a much larger power than any man can explain.

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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

i don't know, something more than nothing. but that really jsut deals with people who describe their god with any specificity. how do they know? or rostos who seems to think 90% of the wold have the same idea of God? i don't get it.

but i disagree with you that scientists will never have an answer for how we got here and eveoled, etc. why do you assume that? obviously, we'll never know for sure but our collective knwoledge has come a long way. it was just a few very short years ago when we thought the earth was flat and rainbows were a path to heaven and thunder was God's anger, didn't know a damn thing about genetics and chromosomes, and all sorts of other stupid shit. in a blink of an eye, we have learned a lot.

why wouldn't we continue learning in the years to come to continue answering questions we don't know enough to answer now, or even ask?

And continue to learn we will. It's called the human experience. Or, in terms I like - the late, great director Jon Huston said, "I want to die when I lose interest."

You probably struggle as I did,until I married a Filipina - how in the world do people like the Mormons and Fundamentalists live and conduct themselves in such an arbitrary manner? Because it's what they've been raised with and deem as normal. I bring my wife into this equation because of the way she was raised. What we would deem, in terms of the things she's eaten., as vulgar, to her it was normal. It's what she grew up with. If you saw the movie The Silence of the Lambs, Anthony Hopkins asks Jody Foster the broad question of "what do we covet?" We covet was is normal to us.

For Rostos, I believe what he's trying to say, in not great terms, is God gave man a conscious. With that conscious, we were given 10 guiding principals. In giving us a conscious, God gave us 100% domain over only 1 thing....just 1. The ability to control and direct our thoughts. That's it. What people choose to do with that 100% is what makes us all unique. We all experience the world in such different ways, but with guiding principals and the freedom to control what we think, I believe that is what God's true intention is. You are charged over your lifetime with finding where you fit into that grand scheme. But, until you've found out where you are, you'll still covet the facts that spring follows, winter, winter follows fall, if you're alive, you're voluntarily breathing, the farmer plants seeds in the spring and harvests in fall, et al..That sort of natural order comes from a much larger power than any man can explain.

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2010 - 11:47 PM ET #105

How about you stop lumping us all together as 'atheists' just because we don't believe in your christian views. I'm agnostic, I have no fucking idea what higher power there may be, nobody on here is arguing that it is 100% impossible for something to be 'greater' than ourselves. That's atheism.

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2010 - 11:49 PM ET #106

Although I'm quickly being coverted to the church of clubdirt

And I'll even go to worship on Sundays! NFL Sunday Ticket!

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Posted: Dec. 29, 2010 - 11:52 PM ET #107

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 1:52 AM ET #108

Quote Originally Posted by tampa85:

Your exhausting drivel proves absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter if the Atheist sees the world in a more negative light then a religious person does, and BTW, how the hell did you come to that conclusion?

All that matters is evidence and you have zero. Its on the beliver to prove that there is a god. It requires extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claims. All you have a bronze age book, writen exclusively by men and copied by bishops hell bent on power.

Jesus is a copy of the Egyptian pagen gods, Osiris, Horus ......12 disiplies etc

You will go on and on about 90% believe in god and how you "feel" jesus etc etc, ill wait for your evidence

And u have evidence that a God doesnt exist?

Molecules and atoms that collided "just appeared"........

People on here simply want to see to believe........

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 3:01 AM ET #109

Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

And u have evidence that a God doesnt exist?

Molecules and atoms that collided "just appeared"........

People on here simply want to see to believe........

You're the one who needs to have the evidence. For example, if I said I had an invisible friend, it's not your job to come up with evidence that I don't, it's my job to prove that I do.

Why don't you believe in other gods? You don't have evidence that there aren't other gods

Keep laughing and try again.

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 4:20 AM ET #110

Ok, once and for all....

Let us have a look at the definition of "faith"

Faith -

physically prove to anyone here that a God exists.......but believers have been touched and have a presence of God in there lives...God has shaped and formed there lives because believers have accepted him into there lives.

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 4:22 AM ET #111

[Quote: Originally Posted by Rostos]

Ok, once and for all....

Let us have a look at the definition of "faith"

Faith -

physically prove to anyone here that a God exists.......but believers have been touched and have a presence of God in there lives...God has shaped and formed there lives because believers have accepted him into there lives.

It cut half my post off....hang on i will be back

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 4:34 AM ET #112

Ok..........

Lets have a look at the definition of faith.........

Faith.........belief that is not based on proof......

Non believers cannot prove that there is NO God.......Believers cannot physically prove there is a God (believers including myself have been touched by God.....God has shaped and formed there lives...........as believers have accepted him into there lives....)

So basically......believers and non believers both have faith........one group chooses to go down different paths......

BOL.....Peace........

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 6:44 AM ET #113

Three points.

1. The burden of proof is and always will be on believers. Search the "parable of celestial teapot" it proves this using simple terms.

2. 90% of the world believes in god...this is not an argument. When 90% of the world is betting one team, does that make that team a lock? I rest my case.

3. The bottom line has been said already: no one can say "I know what happens after I die." If you believe in a god, any god, that's fine, good for you. I can go on and on with arguments as to why it is highly unlikely that any god exists, but there's no point. I can't prove he doesn't just like no one can prove he does. The purpose of life is to enjoy it. If believing in a god helps you enjoy life, then by all means, knock yourself out. But remember as George Carlin once said, "Did you know that God is one of the leading causes of death?" But then again, that may not be a bad thing, right?

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 7:03 AM ET #114

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 7:06 AM ET #115

Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

not yet. system is with me though in your conspicuous absence. i think you'll like the singletary and jesus thread better than this one though. i'm trying to explain why the 49ers will never win another championship in that thread and i've invoked the god of vegetables as well. it's a winner.

yea,,,i know,,,but debated the insane asylum makes my head hurt nowadays...........

God of vegetables huh???? count me in.........................

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 7:08 AM ET #116

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

Sure

Rape

Murder

Slavery

(callmejesus didn't care to comment)

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 7:32 AM ET #117

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Three points.

1. The burden of proof is and always will be on believers. Search the "parable of celestial teapot" it proves this using simple terms.

Says who? Has anyone died and come back and said what they saw? NO....Therefore no one has physical evidence of the afterlife.......as i said, believers have faith that there is heavan, pergatuory and Hell..Non believers have a range of theories from an eternity of darkness to sleeping to they dont know......Both are based on faith......

2. 90% of the world believes in god...this is not an argument. When 90% of the world is betting one team, does that make that team a lock? I rest my case.

Gambling over the centuries has been proven to be a disease, a sickness that leads to poverty and ruining peoples lives......Comparing this to gambling is ridicolous.......As i have stated, by allowing God into your life, you feel the joy, that is the most one could ever ask for......Ask Josh Hamilton what his life was like before he allowed God into his life.......to after

3. The bottom line has been said already: no one can say "I know what happens after I die." If you believe in a god, any god, that's fine, good for you. I can go on and on with arguments as to why it is highly unlikely that any god exists, but there's no point. I can't prove he doesn't just like no one can prove he does. The purpose of life is to enjoy it. If believing in a god helps you enjoy life, then by all means, knock yourself out. But remember as George Carlin once said, "Did you know that God is one of the leading causes of death?" But then again, that may not be a bad thing, right?

Again, man has free will.....I can walk into your house , murder you and say i did it for God.............Man has free will, he can do what he likes....he can use it for good or he can use it for bad........just ask George Bush....People want to turn something into a religion fight, then that is up to them.......

Man has free will.......God created this earth for us, he gave us rules for us to live in....we choose what we do......These rules are so true and so correct as to how we should live........

If science created this earth, did science create rules of the earth it created?

.....if u steal from someone, u generally get caught and punished.......Did science create that moral obligation?

As i said, think of your soul as a blackbox recorder.

IMO, people that dont believe in the afterlife have no general purpose in life.......(dont interpret that as me saying i am better than u or vice verse).....i am not here to judge.........but basically, what is the point of this whole life if it is for nothing.......to root as many chicks as u can? to make as much money as you can? to rip off as many people as u can?

U cant take any physical possessions with u when u die......so then what is the point of all this?

I believe we are all on here to learn and love. Everyone has different tests........

Th bible says do not steal........Bernie Madoff stole and look what happened? If this earth was created by science, do u think he would have the ramifactions he experienced? i dont think so...

The bible echoes so many of the values and morals that this world should have and it does......This is a reminder from God that "look i have given u a free will, but follow these rules and u will be good"...if u dont, here is just some of the things that u might experience........Science doesnt provide the moral rules of the earth.........that are very visible in front of us...