The Thought of Death & Our Own Mortality

You can't be serious. Our behaviors are not primarily driven by consequences, although an argument could be made that they may influence a more weak minded being...Church going folk see the world through fear and consequence.  Many falsely think the world would be chaos and that the only thing keeping everyone from raping and killing is a fear of God, and believe this to be the ultimate evidence of God. They are so wrong.

Our behaviors are primarily driven by the need to propagate and reproduce like every other species on Earth...Everything we do can be linked to that ultimate purpose, whether it be directly or indirectly, whether we realize it or not.  Violence and theft are not inherit traits of person sapiens, or any other species of life. You know this Rostos.

The glory of life surmounts the fear of death. But Christians fear hell-fire, so to avoid it, they are kind to their fellow man. Agnostics and Atheists do not have this fear, so they can be who they are. good or ill as their nature dictates. We have no fear of God, so we are accountable to no one but each other. An immense responsibility indeed.

Oh ok, you want to appeal to the naturalistic fallacy? Other species eat there own off spring, we see rape in the animal kingdom (hey they are just propagating and reproduce), we see animals kill for sport. Hey, if we are just like every other species, then WHY IS IT WRONG for humans to do this? Where did this sense of right or wrong or obligation that doesn't exist in the animal kingdom all of a sudden come to human beings?

In terms of fear of hell, you are missing the point, I as a Christian don't attempt to live morally because of hell, but because it is obligated as each human was created in the image of God and therefore each of us have instrinsic value.

If there is no God, then we are all evolved pond scum. There is no rule or obligation to act a certain way. We certainly don't see this in the animal kingdom. Do you think when my neighbours cat tortures a mice for hours on hours and eventually kills it, do you think the cat thinks it something wrong? Of course not, so why would it be any different if I tortured you for hours and hours and then killed you? As you say, we are "like every other species on Earth"

Oh ok, you want to appeal to the naturalistic fallacy? Other species eat there own off spring, we see rape in the animal kingdom (hey they are just propagating and reproduce), we see animals kill for sport.   Just like human beings. You betcha...It's been a part of life since its inception, and always will be to some degree...I already made this point before, why do you keep missing it?  Don't let your anxiety impair to comprehension. Hey, if we are just like every other species, then WHY IS IT WRONG for humans to do this?

Ok, so don't whinge and complain when humans commit terrible tragedies, like school shootings, 9/11, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pot....Because in the absence of God, ,there is no such thing as right or wrong morally.....just mere opinion. But you don't live your life like this do you?

After a few thousand years of killing each other we as a species have come to realize it's detrimental to human society. It begets more violence and we have learned less fear in our life means a happier existence. Or simply put, we learn from the past. That's the history of our species. I don't know how much more broadly I can make this point. It's as simple as that. It's not because of some notion of GOD, a purely human invention my friend.  Gaping hole #1   Rational thought and deduction always wins out in the end. 

Hang on hang on...now you start to talk on both sides of your mouth. Are you saying we OBLIGATED to promote the flourishing of the human species and maximise happiness? Animals aren't obligated to do so, what makes you think humans are?

 Where did this sense of right or wrong or obligation that doesn't exist in the animal kingdom all of a sudden come to human beings?

First off, you are wrong. it most certainly does exist in the Animal Kingdom..Empathy isn't exclusive to human beings, its just substantially more developed...It also is a product of our species learning from the past, we know what it's like to suffer, be sad, happy etc. and we are capable of projecting these feeling onto others....Gaping hole #2 

LOL. there is no such thing as right or wrong in the animal kingdom, who imposes these rights or wrongs? When an animal eats its own off spring, is that wrong? Of course not, so why is it wrong for a human to eat its own child? Who imposes that this is wrong? Tell me, I am all ears.

In terms of fear of hell, you are missing the point, I as a Christian don't attempt to live morally because of hell, but because it is obligated as each human was created in the image of God and therefore each of us have instrinsic value.

I don't like the idea of people being obligated to live morally. Obligation is an awful word, makes you think its a job or a duty...I can imagine that without your belief in God, you might be a sociopath, usually is the case......I want them to choose to live morally because it's helpful to society and their fellow man as a whole. That is the reward for living morally. Not a lifetime of bliss in heaven. We are finally coming to understand that millenia ago when we were still killing each other left and right, we needed a tool to help stop the carnage and try to be a more civilized species...That tool was RELIGION and all its wonderful and scary consequences of toeing or crossing the line...

You want people to live morally? Who the darn are you?

If there is no God, then we are all evolved pond scum. That is the most likely scenario at this point, yes sir...There is no rule or obligation to act a certain way. Never was, never has been, simply a choice to live in a more civilized world with less fear and more happiness...We certainly don't see this in the animal kingdom. lol  Yes we do.... Do you think when my neighbours cat tortures a mice for hours on hours and eventually kills it, do you think the cat thinks it something wrong? Well you finally have me at a loss for words, LMAO...so lets just blame SATAN! Of course not, so why would it be any different if I tortured you for hours and hours and then killed you? In the Grand scheme of things, It wouldn't be any different Rostos...

any other questions?

But above all what you are talking about is how you want people to live morally? Which one is it?

The whole post you keep on talking about how thee is no obligation, then you proceed to talk how we OUGHT to live...

Who cares, at the end of the day, wether she was a saint or lived by Stalin, the end result is the same, so may as well do whatever maximises your happiness..........

Well said. Thank you for the reminder.

So with this line of reasoning, being a member of ISIS and ordering children to behead infidels is alright for that individual because it...makes them happy. No accountability for them!

You wouldn't say, try to dissuade such a depraved individual if you confronted them through a moral, legal, or 'suffer the consequences' standard. If you say that you would, than the quoted post is all bullshi*.

Wether you live your life like ISIS, A saint, Stalin....ULTIMATELY in the end, it doesn't matter.

Therefore, by logical deduction it only makes sense to do things that make you happy....Why should someone live a life that makes them happy?

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