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    Sparky10191
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2015 - 4:32 PM ET #1

    Anonymous says that ISIS is planning an assault on WWE Survivor Series as well as attacks at multiple events in Paris and the FBI is investigating the situation. 

    Scary to think that any event with a ton of people involved is now a potential target for ISIS and I obviously hope nothing goes wrong.

    The show is still expected to go on so that means we have lines so for those interested in the discussion...here we go.

    Roman Reigns -1200 v Alberto Del Rio +600 (WWE Heavyweight Championship Semifinals)
    Reigns wins.

    Dean Ambrose -600 v Kevin Owens +400 (WWE Heavyweight Championship Semifinals)
    Ambrose wins.

    Roman Reigns -215 v Field +165 (WWE Championship)
    Reigns was the easy choice before Seth went down. He was scheduled to beat Rollins but now, leading up to the match, they're thinking about putting Ambrose over and I could see that for sure. It makes sense to keep building Reigns up and then having him lose because eventually fans may feel he's being disrespected like Daniel Bryan and actually get behind him. Or...give him the title as a heel. Ambrose will go over no matter if he's a face or heel so they can also make him a heel, join the authority and win the title. It's more likely, however, that Reigns wins and has a big title match at WM as he's expected to hold the title longer than Punk did.

    Tyler Breeze -260 v Dolph Ziggler +180
    Breeze probably gets put over here. Ziggler is always in the dog house.

    Charlotte -530 v Paige +350
    I can't see Charlotte losing after the segment on Raw where Paige brought up Reid Flair saying that "he didn't have much fight in him" and made that personal. I always like when they bring out of the ring stuff to the show. Ric apparently didn't know about it, though, and wasn't too thrilled about it.

    Undertaker and Kane -530 v Wyatt Family +350
    Can't imagine Taker and Kane losing but I remember a long time ago when The Rock and Mick Foley came back for one PPV match and lost to Orton and Rhodes (I think it was) and put them over. Not to mention Taker already beat Bray at WM this year. But with this being the 25th Anniversary of The Undertaker...you can't have him lose, right?


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    Anonymous says that ISIS is planning an assault on WWE Survivor Series as well as attacks at multiple events in Paris and the FBI is investigating the situation. 

    Scary to think that any event with a ton of people involved is now a potential target for ISIS and I obviously hope nothing goes wrong.

    The show is still expected to go on so that means we have lines so for those interested in the discussion...here we go.

    Roman Reigns -1200 v Alberto Del Rio +600 (WWE Heavyweight Championship Semifinals)
    Reigns wins.

    Dean Ambrose -600 v Kevin Owens +400 (WWE Heavyweight Championship Semifinals)
    Ambrose wins.

    Roman Reigns -215 v Field +165 (WWE Championship)
    Reigns was the easy choice before Seth went down. He was scheduled to beat Rollins but now, leading up to the match, they're thinking about putting Ambrose over and I could see that for sure. It makes sense to keep building Reigns up and then having him lose because eventually fans may feel he's being disrespected like Daniel Bryan and actually get behind him. Or...give him the title as a heel. Ambrose will go over no matter if he's a face or heel so they can also make him a heel, join the authority and win the title. It's more likely, however, that Reigns wins and has a big title match at WM as he's expected to hold the title longer than Punk did.

    Tyler Breeze -260 v Dolph Ziggler +180
    Breeze probably gets put over here. Ziggler is always in the dog house.

    Charlotte -530 v Paige +350
    I can't see Charlotte losing after the segment on Raw where Paige brought up Reid Flair saying that "he didn't have much fight in him" and made that personal. I always like when they bring out of the ring stuff to the show. Ric apparently didn't know about it, though, and wasn't too thrilled about it.

    Undertaker and Kane -530 v Wyatt Family +350
    Can't imagine Taker and Kane losing but I remember a long time ago when The Rock and Mick Foley came back for one PPV match and lost to Orton and Rhodes (I think it was) and put them over. Not to mention Taker already beat Bray at WM this year. But with this being the 25th Anniversary of The Undertaker...you can't have him lose, right?


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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2015 - 6:16 PM ET #2

    Sparky you really think Ambrose could go over? We know Reigns will be in the final. 100% guaranteed so we're only betting one match.

    I just can't see Ambrose him holding the title. His best move is that little rope dive and that has become a mockery on smark sites.

    How do you tell Reigns, who they literally had penciled in as champion the minute he won the Rumble, he won't be getting it AGAIN?

    Asking this because -215 is a great price for something I think should be more around -500 which is unbettable.

    We know they can't make Owens champ with a belt already if he happened to make it to the final (and the wwe got him to just barely sneak by Neville who we know they can't put the title on right now).

    Just can't see Reigns going down here. Too confident in this???
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    Sparky you really think Ambrose could go over? We know Reigns will be in the final. 100% guaranteed so we're only betting one match.

    I just can't see Ambrose him holding the title. His best move is that little rope dive and that has become a mockery on smark sites.

    How do you tell Reigns, who they literally had penciled in as champion the minute he won the Rumble, he won't be getting it AGAIN?

    Asking this because -215 is a great price for something I think should be more around -500 which is unbettable.

    We know they can't make Owens champ with a belt already if he happened to make it to the final (and the wwe got him to just barely sneak by Neville who we know they can't put the title on right now).

    Just can't see Reigns going down here. Too confident in this???
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2015 - 6:17 PM ET #3

    Another problem. How do you give the belt to three Shield members this soon? I think the locker room would have quite the problem with that (as you alluded to, if Reigns goes down it sets up for an eventual title win).
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    Another problem. How do you give the belt to three Shield members this soon? I think the locker room would have quite the problem with that (as you alluded to, if Reigns goes down it sets up for an eventual title win).
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2015 - 7:13 PM ET #4

    Last week I would have agreed with you but the talk is that they may be leaning on giving Ambrose the belt and they can do so much with that because they could use another heel to take over for Rollins. They need another Authority guy, right? Del Rio and Owens can't be those guys while they have belts. What happens with Bray after Survivor Series? Big Show as the top heel in the title picture? It just doesn't work. 

    With all the heels holding titles, it makes sense for Reigns to win this but and Ambrose heel turn seems inevitable now because Reigns has nobody else to feud with since they just did the Wyatt thing with him and Ambrose simply turning heel to feud with Reigns doesn't make sense unless HE is the one with the title.

    Just my thoughts.
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    Last week I would have agreed with you but the talk is that they may be leaning on giving Ambrose the belt and they can do so much with that because they could use another heel to take over for Rollins. They need another Authority guy, right? Del Rio and Owens can't be those guys while they have belts. What happens with Bray after Survivor Series? Big Show as the top heel in the title picture? It just doesn't work. 

    With all the heels holding titles, it makes sense for Reigns to win this but and Ambrose heel turn seems inevitable now because Reigns has nobody else to feud with since they just did the Wyatt thing with him and Ambrose simply turning heel to feud with Reigns doesn't make sense unless HE is the one with the title.

    Just my thoughts.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2015 - 7:20 PM ET #5

    I did forget all about Sheamus, though. Now that I think about it, it would make all the sense in the world to just have him cash in after Reigns wins and start a feud there with keeping Ambrose as a face.
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    I did forget all about Sheamus, though. Now that I think about it, it would make all the sense in the world to just have him cash in after Reigns wins and start a feud there with keeping Ambrose as a face.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2015 - 12:14 AM ET #6

    There it is. Good call on that one I think. Reigns wins and sheamus cashes in.

    Just to be clear, does a site like 5dimes pay that out for those who picked reigns if technically he wins the tournament.???
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    There it is. Good call on that one I think. Reigns wins and sheamus cashes in.

    Just to be clear, does a site like 5dimes pay that out for those who picked reigns if technically he wins the tournament.???
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2015 - 12:40 AM ET #7

    Sparky, no offense intended man, but how do you wager on a match that's already been determined?

    I've bet on some crazy sh!t but I draw the line at wrestling.  

    Best of luck with whomever you choose.  
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    Sparky, no offense intended man, but how do you wager on a match that's already been determined?

    I've bet on some crazy sh!t but I draw the line at wrestling.  

    Best of luck with whomever you choose.  
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2015 - 12:45 AM ET #8

    Same as betting on the Oscars or the Emmys. You're betting psychology (the writer's storylines) and not reality per se.
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    Same as betting on the Oscars or the Emmys. You're betting psychology (the writer's storylines) and not reality per se.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2015 - 1:08 PM ET #9

    Scal, Yes, you'd still win unless it's a WM situation and Sheamus cashes in during the match and becomes included into it. However, I forgot how those ended up being graded. And on a side note, Dave Meltzer of Wrestling Observer Radio speculates the same thing I did with Ambrose that he will turn heel and leave as the Champion as both he and Reigns will be in the Final. So, imo, both of my speculations have a chance of happening and I don't see Reigns being the Champion on Raw tomorrow (for what it's worth).

    Slobbasaurus, Well, I feel more confident betting on these predetermined outcomes because if you read the storyline you know what's likely to happen next. Obviously you won't be 100% but you'll make money more times than not. And they have a cap limit so it's not like you can bet the house on anything. Parlay who you think will win and you should make a few bucks. It's much more predictable than sports. 
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    Scal, Yes, you'd still win unless it's a WM situation and Sheamus cashes in during the match and becomes included into it. However, I forgot how those ended up being graded. And on a side note, Dave Meltzer of Wrestling Observer Radio speculates the same thing I did with Ambrose that he will turn heel and leave as the Champion as both he and Reigns will be in the Final. So, imo, both of my speculations have a chance of happening and I don't see Reigns being the Champion on Raw tomorrow (for what it's worth).

    Slobbasaurus, Well, I feel more confident betting on these predetermined outcomes because if you read the storyline you know what's likely to happen next. Obviously you won't be 100% but you'll make money more times than not. And they have a cap limit so it's not like you can bet the house on anything. Parlay who you think will win and you should make a few bucks. It's much more predictable than sports. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2015 - 2:01 PM ET #10

    Topic: WWE Survivor Series...Potential ISIS Target

    Don't worry, everything's alright. The event is going to go on as scheduled. Turns out it was just The Iron Sheik carrying a folding chair. But Sgt. Slaughter put him in a Camel Clutch, so that settles that.....

    "Potential ISIS Target".......


    Thank you for the heartiest belly laugh I've had in a long time!
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    Topic: WWE Survivor Series...Potential ISIS Target

    Don't worry, everything's alright. The event is going to go on as scheduled. Turns out it was just The Iron Sheik carrying a folding chair. But Sgt. Slaughter put him in a Camel Clutch, so that settles that.....

    "Potential ISIS Target".......


    Thank you for the heartiest belly laugh I've had in a long time!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2015 - 6:22 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    Topic: WWE Survivor Series...Potential ISIS Target

    Don't worry, everything's alright. The event is going to go on as scheduled. Turns out it was just The Iron Sheik carrying a folding chair. But Sgt. Slaughter put him in a Camel Clutch, so that settles that.....

    "Potential ISIS Target".......


    Thank you for the heartiest belly laugh I've had in a long time!

    https://www.ibtimes.com/anonymous-says-isis-plans-attacks-against-paris-world-sunday-2194926

    https://www.foxsports.com/wwe/story/report-fbi-taking-serious-look-at-isis-threat-toward-wwe-survivor-series-112115


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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    Topic: WWE Survivor Series...Potential ISIS Target

    Don't worry, everything's alright. The event is going to go on as scheduled. Turns out it was just The Iron Sheik carrying a folding chair. But Sgt. Slaughter put him in a Camel Clutch, so that settles that.....

    "Potential ISIS Target".......


    Thank you for the heartiest belly laugh I've had in a long time!

    https://www.ibtimes.com/anonymous-says-isis-plans-attacks-against-paris-world-sunday-2194926

    https://www.foxsports.com/wwe/story/report-fbi-taking-serious-look-at-isis-threat-toward-wwe-survivor-series-112115


     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2015 - 6:26 PM ET #12

    Reigns is now only -160 to win the title.

    Ziggler has become the favorite at -350. It's possible that he wins via DQ and this feud continues.

    Charlotte -1350

    Taker/Kane -2000
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    Reigns is now only -160 to win the title.

    Ziggler has become the favorite at -350. It's possible that he wins via DQ and this feud continues.

    Charlotte -1350

    Taker/Kane -2000
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2015 - 10:28 PM ET #13

    I think Dean Ambrose took HHH deal and he will turn heel and take the title.
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    I think Dean Ambrose took HHH deal and he will turn heel and take the title.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2015 - 10:48 PM ET #14

    Sheamus cashes in after Reigns won, Sheamus leaves with belt
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    Sheamus cashes in after Reigns won, Sheamus leaves with belt
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2015 - 10:49 PM ET #15

    good ending. I couldn't hardly see chit with all the confetti. They kept having to change cameras to be able to see.
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    good ending. I couldn't hardly see chit with all the confetti. They kept having to change cameras to be able to see.
     
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    After the confetti, I thought Reigns actually was going to walk away as the Champ. But it made sense to work this way. You either needed a new heel in Ambrose or bring a mid-card heel up and that's Sheamus.

    Reigns sold me with his little teary eyes at the end, though. I was impressed. If he keeps getting screwed, he may have the Daniel Bryan treatment from the fans and they may finally get behind him. The problem is that everyone knows that he's a favorite and will eventually get it.
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    After the confetti, I thought Reigns actually was going to walk away as the Champ. But it made sense to work this way. You either needed a new heel in Ambrose or bring a mid-card heel up and that's Sheamus.

    Reigns sold me with his little teary eyes at the end, though. I was impressed. If he keeps getting screwed, he may have the Daniel Bryan treatment from the fans and they may finally get behind him. The problem is that everyone knows that he's a favorite and will eventually get it.
     
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    Took your advice and Sparky and went with Reigns even though I was afraid of the cash-in which happened as you speculated.

    It was graded a win.

    This was the first event in a long, long time where there were no true leaks, except for Taker/Kane which was obvious.

    I got Reigns at -210 right after the Taker match which is pretty insane since results always leak at that point (i.e., odds usually shoot up to -2000/-6000 on 5 Dimes).

    I have no idea how Ziggler became the favorite there. I HATE his gimmick right now without a valet. He looks like he's stuck in the mid-80's with that attire and hair. Whoever thought that was a good idea compared to the original show-off gimmick is a fool.
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    Took your advice and Sparky and went with Reigns even though I was afraid of the cash-in which happened as you speculated.

    It was graded a win.

    This was the first event in a long, long time where there were no true leaks, except for Taker/Kane which was obvious.

    I got Reigns at -210 right after the Taker match which is pretty insane since results always leak at that point (i.e., odds usually shoot up to -2000/-6000 on 5 Dimes).

    I have no idea how Ziggler became the favorite there. I HATE his gimmick right now without a valet. He looks like he's stuck in the mid-80's with that attire and hair. Whoever thought that was a good idea compared to the original show-off gimmick is a fool.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2015 - 11:53 PM ET #18

    And Roman took a nasty shot to the head when it hit the mat (he oversold it hard) to give Sheamus the title.

    I don't know how the WWE gets away with letting these guys wrestle with concussions. And if that wasn't a partial concussion, I don't know what is.
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    And Roman took a nasty shot to the head when it hit the mat (he oversold it hard) to give Sheamus the title.

    I don't know how the WWE gets away with letting these guys wrestle with concussions. And if that wasn't a partial concussion, I don't know what is.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2015 - 12:22 AM ET #19

    WOW!!!
    AND NO ISIS ATTACKS?!?!?!
    I'M SHOCKED!!!!!

    Hundreds of thousands of people attending football,  basketball, and hockey games today, and millions more watching, yet ISIS would prefer to make a "statement" with 8,000 people in attendance and maybe Sparky, Scalabrine, and 3 other "pre-pubes" paying to watch on PPV......


    What's next, the World Championship Of Tiddly-Winks??
    Oh, I saw an ad for the dog thing on Thanksgiving......


    Oh man!!! STOP IT!!!! MY SIDES HURT!!!!!
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    WOW!!!
    AND NO ISIS ATTACKS?!?!?!
    I'M SHOCKED!!!!!

    Hundreds of thousands of people attending football,  basketball, and hockey games today, and millions more watching, yet ISIS would prefer to make a "statement" with 8,000 people in attendance and maybe Sparky, Scalabrine, and 3 other "pre-pubes" paying to watch on PPV......


    What's next, the World Championship Of Tiddly-Winks??
    Oh, I saw an ad for the dog thing on Thanksgiving......


    Oh man!!! STOP IT!!!! MY SIDES HURT!!!!!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    WOW!!!
    AND NO ISIS ATTACKS?!?!?!
    I'M SHOCKED!!!!!

    Hundreds of thousands of people attending football,  basketball, and hockey games today, and millions more watching, yet ISIS would prefer to make a "statement" with 8,000 people in attendance and maybe Sparky, Scalabrine, and 3 other "pre-pubes" paying to watch on PPV......


    What's next, the World Championship Of Tiddly-Winks??
    Oh, I saw an ad for the dog thing on Thanksgiving......


    Oh man!!! STOP IT!!!! MY SIDES HURT!!!!!

    While you're laughing at others, all women are laughing at you watching men in nylon pants bend over and put a ball through their legs to another man.

    Good luck with them, you'll need it.

    Really, your mockery stance is about the most unoriginal thing in the history of covers and is quite pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    WOW!!!
    AND NO ISIS ATTACKS?!?!?!
    I'M SHOCKED!!!!!

    Hundreds of thousands of people attending football,  basketball, and hockey games today, and millions more watching, yet ISIS would prefer to make a "statement" with 8,000 people in attendance and maybe Sparky, Scalabrine, and 3 other "pre-pubes" paying to watch on PPV......


    What's next, the World Championship Of Tiddly-Winks??
    Oh, I saw an ad for the dog thing on Thanksgiving......


    Oh man!!! STOP IT!!!! MY SIDES HURT!!!!!

    While you're laughing at others, all women are laughing at you watching men in nylon pants bend over and put a ball through their legs to another man.

    Good luck with them, you'll need it.

    Really, your mockery stance is about the most unoriginal thing in the history of covers and is quite pathetic.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    While you're laughing at others, all women are laughing at you watching men in nylon pants bend over and put a ball through their legs to another man.


    WOW! That's really the pot calling the kettle black!

    Also, why is this in "General Discussion"? Shouldn't it be under "Fantasy Sports"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    While you're laughing at others, all women are laughing at you watching men in nylon pants bend over and put a ball through their legs to another man.


    WOW! That's really the pot calling the kettle black!

    Also, why is this in "General Discussion"? Shouldn't it be under "Fantasy Sports"?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2015 - 11:58 AM ET #22

    Sheamus is mid-card at best and now he is the champ?   So is Reighns winning back to back rumbles? Or is he going to win the belt at the Rumble?
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    Sheamus is mid-card at best and now he is the champ?   So is Reighns winning back to back rumbles? Or is he going to win the belt at the Rumble?
     
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    Yea...technically if you're going that route, there are probably more asss slaps in a football/basketball/baseball game than in a WWE event. But lets just dismiss that by saying it's the "pot calling the kettle black."

    As for Ziggler, he was at the top of his game when he had AJ and the MITB case and was a heel but they just don't know what to do with him and don't trust him with his concussion history so I don't know what they plan on doing with him. Not to mention the Lana/Rusev news getting out hurt his run and now he's in the middle of nowhere.

    And as far as Reigns goes...I think he'll win the title before or at the Rumble. He's now the record holder for most eliminations in a single Rumble match so they could technically add to his push by having him win back to back Rumbles but I don't think they want to put him through limbo again where anything can happen with their creative decisions between the Rumble and WM.
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    Yea...technically if you're going that route, there are probably more asss slaps in a football/basketball/baseball game than in a WWE event. But lets just dismiss that by saying it's the "pot calling the kettle black."

    As for Ziggler, he was at the top of his game when he had AJ and the MITB case and was a heel but they just don't know what to do with him and don't trust him with his concussion history so I don't know what they plan on doing with him. Not to mention the Lana/Rusev news getting out hurt his run and now he's in the middle of nowhere.

    And as far as Reigns goes...I think he'll win the title before or at the Rumble. He's now the record holder for most eliminations in a single Rumble match so they could technically add to his push by having him win back to back Rumbles but I don't think they want to put him through limbo again where anything can happen with their creative decisions between the Rumble and WM.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2015 - 2:59 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    Yea...technically if you're going that route, there are probably more asss slaps in a football/basketball/baseball game than in a WWE event. But lets just dismiss that by saying it's the "pot calling the kettle black."

    Also, a lot less play acting and simulated prison sex too, plus football/basketball/baseball players are fully clothed......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    Yea...technically if you're going that route, there are probably more asss slaps in a football/basketball/baseball game than in a WWE event. But lets just dismiss that by saying it's the "pot calling the kettle black."

    Also, a lot less play acting and simulated prison sex too, plus football/basketball/baseball players are fully clothed......
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2015 - 3:24 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    WOW!!!
    AND NO ISIS ATTACKS?!?!?!
    I'M SHOCKED!!!!!

    Hundreds of thousands of people attending football,  basketball, and hockey games today, and millions more watching, yet ISIS would prefer to make a "statement" with 8,000 people in attendance and maybe Sparky, Scalabrine, and 3 other "pre-pubes" paying to watch on PPV.....


    The attendance last night was probably more than any Hawks or Thrashers game had over the last 20 years, just sayin.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:

    WOW!!!
    AND NO ISIS ATTACKS?!?!?!
    I'M SHOCKED!!!!!

    Hundreds of thousands of people attending football,  basketball, and hockey games today, and millions more watching, yet ISIS would prefer to make a "statement" with 8,000 people in attendance and maybe Sparky, Scalabrine, and 3 other "pre-pubes" paying to watch on PPV.....


    The attendance last night was probably more than any Hawks or Thrashers game had over the last 20 years, just sayin.......
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