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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 5:15 PM ET #51

     What do you all think of this?

    The broker/dealer business model is "inherently unstable" and the four remaining major firms will not be independent in a few years, says Nouriel Roubini, economics professor at NYU's Stern School and chairman of RGE Monitor.

    Embattled Lehman Brothers is likely to seek a buyer "within months," Roubini says. Lehman Brothers ceasing to be independent is not such a shocking outcome, but Roubini ultimately sees a similar outcome for Goldman, Merrill Lynch, and Morgan Stanley.

    The problem, he says, is that broker/dealers use the same model as banks -- borrow short and lend long -- only they borrow on even shorter timeframes, use more leverage,  and don't have the kind of government backstop banks enjoy.



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    The broker/dealer business model is "inherently unstable" and the four remaining major firms will not be independent in a few years, says Nouriel Roubini, economics professor at NYU's Stern School and chairman of RGE Monitor.

    Embattled Lehman Brothers is likely to seek a buyer "within months," Roubini says. Lehman Brothers ceasing to be independent is not such a shocking outcome, but Roubini ultimately sees a similar outcome for Goldman, Merrill Lynch, and Morgan Stanley.

    The problem, he says, is that broker/dealers use the same model as banks -- borrow short and lend long -- only they borrow on even shorter timeframes, use more leverage,  and don't have the kind of government backstop banks enjoy.



     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 5:18 PM ET #52

    Vermeer,

    That makes good sense. Although I cannot see GS going down, these brokers do more than borrow and lend. Maybe LEH does that but GS does a TON of investment banking and sales stuff, so I would say that is 40/60 as to good content in that article.
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    Vermeer,

    That makes good sense. Although I cannot see GS going down, these brokers do more than borrow and lend. Maybe LEH does that but GS does a TON of investment banking and sales stuff, so I would say that is 40/60 as to good content in that article.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 5:33 PM ET #53


     Got you WSC...that was a ctually a very small excerpt so obviously not a detailed explanation of his thinking.

      I tend to pay close attention to GS,  almost exclusively....

     

     
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     Got you WSC...that was a ctually a very small excerpt so obviously not a detailed explanation of his thinking.

      I tend to pay close attention to GS,  almost exclusively....

     

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 5:35 PM ET #54


     PS

     The video of the interview is on yahoo finance...

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     PS

     The video of the interview is on yahoo finance...

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 5:41 PM ET #55

    It might explain the drop in those names.

    Check out the numbers on MER-

    LINK

    Selling at a discount to book and sales, I dont see how they go under.

    Interesting how all the brokers are selling at a big discount, MER, MS, LEH etc etc.


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    It might explain the drop in those names.

    Check out the numbers on MER-

    LINK

    Selling at a discount to book and sales, I dont see how they go under.

    Interesting how all the brokers are selling at a big discount, MER, MS, LEH etc etc.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 6:01 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Lost some money yesterday on the SPY short trade, but going to open it again today on first move upward this AM.
     
    Am not believing any of this short covering foolishness.
     
    These banking iceholes should've been thrown under the bus, but Scholar Ben printed more money, and Jimmy Rogers is right:
     
    WE AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET

    Selling short SPY................

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    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Lost some money yesterday on the SPY short trade, but going to open it again today on first move upward this AM.
     
    Am not believing any of this short covering foolishness.
     
    These banking iceholes should've been thrown under the bus, but Scholar Ben printed more money, and Jimmy Rogers is right:
     
    WE AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET

    Selling short SPY................

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 6:03 PM ET #57

    "dollar cost averaging" right now in the US stock market.
     
     
    the ligitmacy of this "rally"...............
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    "dollar cost averaging" right now in the US stock market.
     
     
    the ligitmacy of this "rally"...............
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 6:08 PM ET #58

    This market is hit and run, no other way to trade it and that has been the case for two plus years.

    My MISSES have been longer term holds for the most part, outside core holdings like CRDC and DRYS.
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    This market is hit and run, no other way to trade it and that has been the case for two plus years.

    My MISSES have been longer term holds for the most part, outside core holdings like CRDC and DRYS.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 6:40 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by Vermeer:


     GL Gunners, think you have been on a roll ...keep it up bro

    Thanks Vermeer, i've picked some winners lately. 

    speaking of shitty shoes, i wish that DECK options had more volume.  I'd love to load up on puts before they report.  that thing should be $5, just like CROX.  but there is no activity on any of the options. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermeer:


     GL Gunners, think you have been on a roll ...keep it up bro

    Thanks Vermeer, i've picked some winners lately. 

    speaking of shitty shoes, i wish that DECK options had more volume.  I'd love to load up on puts before they report.  that thing should be $5, just like CROX.  but there is no activity on any of the options. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 7:08 PM ET #60

    I picked up an 80 sept drys, overpaid a bit at 6.80 but okay since i sold the 2 90's.  Also overpaid for a wynn 85 put at 4.80 but should be okay and not lose too much.  Crazy with crox, ntflx earnings coming up tomorrow.  Might be iteresting....
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    I picked up an 80 sept drys, overpaid a bit at 6.80 but okay since i sold the 2 90's.  Also overpaid for a wynn 85 put at 4.80 but should be okay and not lose too much.  Crazy with crox, ntflx earnings coming up tomorrow.  Might be iteresting....
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 2:00 PM ET #61

    ENER tried to bounce today, looks like it will fail though.  i'm sticking it out for $57.
     
    Long CELG
     
    considering oil is down as much as it is, and the "good economic news" this morning, the market is acting pretty weak.
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    ENER tried to bounce today, looks like it will fail though.  i'm sticking it out for $57.
     
    Long CELG
     
    considering oil is down as much as it is, and the "good economic news" this morning, the market is acting pretty weak.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 6:51 PM ET #62

    Citibank (C)
     
    Shorting Citibank................
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    Shorting Citibank................
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 6:53 PM ET #63

    Jimmy Rogers:
     
    "We ain't seen nothing, yet."       
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    Jimmy Rogers:
     
    "We ain't seen nothing, yet."       
     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 1:12 AM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Citibank (C)
     
    Shorting Citibank................

    looking good cc.  On a related bank note, I went to log on to one my banks (first national bank of arizona) and it said they were taken over by fdic! oh my goodness, 2 bank taken over by fdic for me personally now.  kind of scary shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Citibank (C)
     
    Shorting Citibank................

    looking good cc.  On a related bank note, I went to log on to one my banks (first national bank of arizona) and it said they were taken over by fdic! oh my goodness, 2 bank taken over by fdic for me personally now.  kind of scary shit.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 4:41 AM ET #65

    Yep, Grinder.
     
    We aren't even close to being out of the woods, yet.
     
    To me, the hype and hoopla from the stock market's latest "rally" was just another classic bear trap special.  Up moves in bear markets are the quickest and most vicious of all moves.......and unfortunately, many "off-based optimists" pile on..........and then lose their shirts when the short covering stops.
     
    C is total garbage.
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    Yep, Grinder.
     
    We aren't even close to being out of the woods, yet.
     
    To me, the hype and hoopla from the stock market's latest "rally" was just another classic bear trap special.  Up moves in bear markets are the quickest and most vicious of all moves.......and unfortunately, many "off-based optimists" pile on..........and then lose their shirts when the short covering stops.
     
    C is total garbage.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 6:43 AM ET #66

    forensic analysis blog

    this guy has been short financials since last august...very smart, very details

    ccl - this should be right up your alley
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    forensic analysis blog

    this guy has been short financials since last august...very smart, very details

    ccl - this should be right up your alley
     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 8:49 AM ET #67

    Two more national banks fail, number will rise sharply

    Posted Jul 26th 2008 6:50AM by Douglas McIntyre
    Filed under: Forecasts, Bad news, Industry, Housing

    The FDIC took over two more banks. According to The Wall Street Journal, "The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, a division of the Treasury Department, revoked the charters of First National Bank of Nevada, based in Reno, Nev., and First Heritage Bank of Newport Beach, Calif. The FDIC was appointed receiver of both banks." The Nevada bank had over $3 billion in deposits.

    Current estimates are that less than 100 banks will fail during the current credit crisis, a much smaller number than closed during the saving and loan debacle of the late 1980s.

    But, those estimates may be low. Bill Gross, an extremely prominent investor and head of Pimco, recently wrote that total losses related to the housing market will hit $1 trillion. About $450 billion of those write-downs have made it through the system. That leaves a potentially massive burden on the banking system going forward.

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    Posted Jul 26th 2008 6:50AM by Douglas McIntyre
    Filed under: Forecasts, Bad news, Industry, Housing

    The FDIC took over two more banks. According to The Wall Street Journal, "The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, a division of the Treasury Department, revoked the charters of First National Bank of Nevada, based in Reno, Nev., and First Heritage Bank of Newport Beach, Calif. The FDIC was appointed receiver of both banks." The Nevada bank had over $3 billion in deposits.

    Current estimates are that less than 100 banks will fail during the current credit crisis, a much smaller number than closed during the saving and loan debacle of the late 1980s.

    But, those estimates may be low. Bill Gross, an extremely prominent investor and head of Pimco, recently wrote that total losses related to the housing market will hit $1 trillion. About $450 billion of those write-downs have made it through the system. That leaves a potentially massive burden on the banking system going forward.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 9:10 AM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    forensic analysis blog


    this guy has been short financials since last august...very smart, very details

    ccl - this should be right up your alley

    Good stuff, Koaj.  Reggie's smart, allright.  I remember last year about this time when I first started posting in this room.  I was all gung-ho looking for some financial shorts right before September.  You were rightly bearish as well.  I hope you were able to seriously capitalize on that assertion.  Like the true dumb-f--k that I am, I chickened out and was way, way too conservative because I was terrified of bailout packages that were going to come (I got obliterated back in later 90s during Asian Tiger bailouts and it still gives me the shakes thinking about it).

    This gdmf-ing country deserves to go right down the drain with its horrendous policies put down by its lying leaders.  I am angry as hell about the future, but more sad than angry when you really get down to it.

    I am all about capitalism and "free markets" where people live, die, thrive, crash, fail, survive, burn, etc.........

    WITH NO GD BAILOUTS

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    forensic analysis blog


    this guy has been short financials since last august...very smart, very details

    ccl - this should be right up your alley

    Good stuff, Koaj.  Reggie's smart, allright.  I remember last year about this time when I first started posting in this room.  I was all gung-ho looking for some financial shorts right before September.  You were rightly bearish as well.  I hope you were able to seriously capitalize on that assertion.  Like the true dumb-f--k that I am, I chickened out and was way, way too conservative because I was terrified of bailout packages that were going to come (I got obliterated back in later 90s during Asian Tiger bailouts and it still gives me the shakes thinking about it).

    This gdmf-ing country deserves to go right down the drain with its horrendous policies put down by its lying leaders.  I am angry as hell about the future, but more sad than angry when you really get down to it.

    I am all about capitalism and "free markets" where people live, die, thrive, crash, fail, survive, burn, etc.........

    WITH NO GD BAILOUTS

     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 9:23 AM ET #69


     Ah good old Richmond VA...land of the bigoted and home of the benighted...

    The Richmond area showed the sharpest increase in foreclosure filings among 100 cities tracked by a foreclosure researcher.

    Filings here jumped nearly 805 percent in the second quarter from the year-earlier period, according to a report released yesterday by RealtyTrac Inc. The next-highest increase was 587 percent in Greenville, S.C.



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     Ah good old Richmond VA...land of the bigoted and home of the benighted...

    The Richmond area showed the sharpest increase in foreclosure filings among 100 cities tracked by a foreclosure researcher.

    Filings here jumped nearly 805 percent in the second quarter from the year-earlier period, according to a report released yesterday by RealtyTrac Inc. The next-highest increase was 587 percent in Greenville, S.C.



     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 12:15 PM ET #70

    The dead cat bounce on the Dow ended with a fall below 11500, completing a doji star candlestick reversal. Volume is light, after strong resistance at [R], and we can expect another test of support at 11000.

    Long Term: Failure of support at 11000 would signal another down-swing, with a target of 10700 (the June 2006 low). Declining Twiggs Money Flow signals continued selling pressure. If 10700 was to fail, the next major support band would be 10000/9700.
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    The dead cat bounce on the Dow ended with a fall below 11500, completing a doji star candlestick reversal. Volume is light, after strong resistance at [R], and we can expect another test of support at 11000.

    Long Term: Failure of support at 11000 would signal another down-swing, with a target of 10700 (the June 2006 low). Declining Twiggs Money Flow signals continued selling pressure. If 10700 was to fail, the next major support band would be 10000/9700.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 12:30 PM ET #71

    Vermeer,

    I agree we have a retest, one way or the other. Either we retest before Labor Day, or after it.

    I hope they do take down the financials again, I have my list made and I would like another chance on some decent names.
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    Vermeer,

    I agree we have a retest, one way or the other. Either we retest before Labor Day, or after it.

    I hope they do take down the financials again, I have my list made and I would like another chance on some decent names.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2008 - 4:32 AM ET #72

    Yep, 2 regional banks fail on Friday.
     
    And yesterday, congress approves the multi billion dollar BAILOUT PACKAGE for FNM and FRE.  Bush will sign it in to law probably first thing Monday morning.
     
    Yeeeehaaaaaa.  Fat cat Wall Street gets bailed out again, courtesy of the FOMC printing press.
     
    And guess who's going to pick up the tab for this gd f--ing sheet?  Right.  You and I.  The taxpayers.
     
    Expect a massive up move at Monday's open, then short it.
     
    BAILOUT PACKAGES..............
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    Yep, 2 regional banks fail on Friday.
     
    And yesterday, congress approves the multi billion dollar BAILOUT PACKAGE for FNM and FRE.  Bush will sign it in to law probably first thing Monday morning.
     
    Yeeeehaaaaaa.  Fat cat Wall Street gets bailed out again, courtesy of the FOMC printing press.
     
    And guess who's going to pick up the tab for this gd f--ing sheet?  Right.  You and I.  The taxpayers.
     
    Expect a massive up move at Monday's open, then short it.
     
    BAILOUT PACKAGES..............
     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2008 - 4:38 AM ET #73

    Dear Iceholes in Congress and Scholar Ben,
     
    I am requesting a BAILOUT PACKAGE for all sports gambling losses I have accrued since 2002.  I need to be BAILED OUT of any messes I create for myself due to my own choices.  It is not fair for me to not get this money back, but it is very fair that I not give back any of my winnings----------due to my own choices.
     
    Please send crisp, cash 100 dollar bills to my home address in a fire safe box.  Then charge it to all the hedge fund managers operating in the USA doing that hideous, back-breaking work of moving money around the lies they tell.
     
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    Dear Iceholes in Congress and Scholar Ben,
     
    I am requesting a BAILOUT PACKAGE for all sports gambling losses I have accrued since 2002.  I need to be BAILED OUT of any messes I create for myself due to my own choices.  It is not fair for me to not get this money back, but it is very fair that I not give back any of my winnings----------due to my own choices.
     
    Please send crisp, cash 100 dollar bills to my home address in a fire safe box.  Then charge it to all the hedge fund managers operating in the USA doing that hideous, back-breaking work of moving money around the lies they tell.
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2008 - 8:06 AM ET #74

    CC,
     
    I hope your correct that we get a run-up in the market (financials) Monday morning, but I suspect this bailout package is already priced in.  I had my finger on the SKF buy button all day Friday, but never pulled the trigger.  I think SKF is setting-up for a nice trade this week with GDP, housing, and jobs on tap, and I will be fading any rally in this market in the coming weeks.
     
    Cheers
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    CC,
     
    I hope your correct that we get a run-up in the market (financials) Monday morning, but I suspect this bailout package is already priced in.  I had my finger on the SKF buy button all day Friday, but never pulled the trigger.  I think SKF is setting-up for a nice trade this week with GDP, housing, and jobs on tap, and I will be fading any rally in this market in the coming weeks.
     
    Cheers
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2008 - 9:48 PM ET #75

    Just reading through some of the details of this housing bailout package, and OMG !!!!  We have turned this country to a form of feudalism, were us peasants/serfs are now working for the wealthy land owners of California, Nevada, Florida and etc........
     
    F me.
     
     
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    Just reading through some of the details of this housing bailout package, and OMG !!!!  We have turned this country to a form of feudalism, were us peasants/serfs are now working for the wealthy land owners of California, Nevada, Florida and etc........
     
    F me.
     
     
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