-0.5 and ML both lose on draw. If it was a PK line, then you push on draw, however that price will always be considerably higher than the ML. Think of it this way, like laying points in NFL. If you are laying points and it's a tie, you lose.
P'kem/DNB (draw no bet) line means draw = push
NTL (not to lose) means draw = win
ML (or -0.5) = draw lose
Different books offer up different ways to bet it and call things by different names. Doesn't help, but honestly after a while you'll just get it and it becomes 2nd nature.
thank you for education bk
will be looking out for your soccer expertise and plays in the coming future.
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Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:
-0.5 and ML both lose on draw. If it was a PK line, then you push on draw, however that price will always be considerably higher than the ML. Think of it this way, like laying points in NFL. If you are laying points and it's a tie, you lose.
P'kem/DNB (draw no bet) line means draw = push
NTL (not to lose) means draw = win
ML (or -0.5) = draw lose
Different books offer up different ways to bet it and call things by different names. Doesn't help, but honestly after a while you'll just get it and it becomes 2nd nature.
thank you for education bk
will be looking out for your soccer expertise and plays in the coming future.
I passed on these games but support play for them:
Mets Run Line...Matz may be a little more injured than we know At that price I will pass
TB Over: TB pitcher should regress some and Sanchez is a Chernobyl Meltdown at any point. They should light him up tonight.
Minny Over: This is an OVER park but they need to warm up a little. Toronto prob wakes up with Duffey on the hill.
Yankees: I want to play back on the Yanks after our glorious Victory last night...A's are really banged up and simply make too many errors. Simian and Vogt both have error last night. CC coming off DL should be ready to go. Sonny scares me but that MF has cost me about 4-5 Units this year already.
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NFL You are a mad man!!!
I passed on these games but support play for them:
Mets Run Line...Matz may be a little more injured than we know At that price I will pass
TB Over: TB pitcher should regress some and Sanchez is a Chernobyl Meltdown at any point. They should light him up tonight.
Minny Over: This is an OVER park but they need to warm up a little. Toronto prob wakes up with Duffey on the hill.
Yankees: I want to play back on the Yanks after our glorious Victory last night...A's are really banged up and simply make too many errors. Simian and Vogt both have error last night. CC coming off DL should be ready to go. Sonny scares me but that MF has cost me about 4-5 Units this year already.
BK ~ Thanks, bro, for your offer to help! I've sent you a friends request. I'm very interested in shortening my learning curve and to avoid the common pitfalls of soccer newbies.
No problem. Check your pending requests? I saw your request, but couldn't accept it? Weird. But you aren't showing up. I requested you earlier.
Gotta roll anyway for the night. Might be back on tomorrow.
BOL everyone........especially NFL and his +67.5 in hoops (always buy up to +68, it's a key number in international hoops.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mozart:
BK ~ Thanks, bro, for your offer to help! I've sent you a friends request. I'm very interested in shortening my learning curve and to avoid the common pitfalls of soccer newbies.
No problem. Check your pending requests? I saw your request, but couldn't accept it? Weird. But you aren't showing up. I requested you earlier.
Gotta roll anyway for the night. Might be back on tomorrow.
BOL everyone........especially NFL and his +67.5 in hoops (always buy up to +68, it's a key number in international hoops.
Ridiculous amount of rain scheduled to pour down on Pimlico on Saturday. They are expecting up to an inch of rain and it will be a wet and sloppy track by post time. Waiting to see if any ponies are scratched before I throw out my picks. I will be on Saturday's thread first tomorrow morning.
Did well with the Derby as I nailed the winner and the exacta.
Rolling with our new Finland buddy and his SJK pick for tomorrow, leaning blue jays ML and philly ML for MLB.
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PREAKNESS.......
Ridiculous amount of rain scheduled to pour down on Pimlico on Saturday. They are expecting up to an inch of rain and it will be a wet and sloppy track by post time. Waiting to see if any ponies are scratched before I throw out my picks. I will be on Saturday's thread first tomorrow morning.
Did well with the Derby as I nailed the winner and the exacta.
Rolling with our new Finland buddy and his SJK pick for tomorrow, leaning blue jays ML and philly ML for MLB.
Häcken, normally a good offensive team, have finally started to come through on that part. They've scored 11 goals in last 4 matches, but at the same time conceding 7. They haven't kept a clean sheet in the league since september last year, that's 15 straight games. They started this season quite poorly, winning only 2 of their first 8 matches. They did win the Cup though, the clubs first title ever, really a nice morale booster! They have now won two straight (3-1 4-1), and need another one here to steer away from the bottom of the table.
Kalmar did fail us last time against Hammarby, with the game ending 1-1. Häcken do have more offensive quality than both Hammarby and Kalmar though in my opinion. But they've still lost 6 of 10 so I won't bet then to win this. Kalmar have the league's top scorer Antonsson who scored the goal against Hammarby and then two more in their last game against Djurgården, winning 3-0 away. He's scored 6 of Kalmars 8 goals in the last 5 games. It was Kalmar's first clean sheet since september, after fourteen straight with conceded goals. I will however credit that to Djurgårdens awful form as of late, being kept scoreless in 4 of 6. But that's a whole other matter.
Both teams are only two points from relegation, and also only three points from fifth place, no one will be happy with a draw here. Häcken have won four straight against Kalmar, 3-0, 1-0, 3-2 and 4-1. On a good day Häcken could get us the over by them self, but with Antonssons recent form and Häckens quite poor defense, Kalmar should contribute as well. Give me 1-2 Häcken or why not another 3-2 game.
$$$$ Kalmar - Häcken OVER 2.5 GOALS -120 $$$$
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=== EARLY KICK OFF SUNDAY 9:00 AM EST ===
$$$$ Kalmar - Häcken OVER 2.5 GOALS -120 $$$$
Soccer - Sweden - Allsvenskan
Häcken, normally a good offensive team, have finally started to come through on that part. They've scored 11 goals in last 4 matches, but at the same time conceding 7. They haven't kept a clean sheet in the league since september last year, that's 15 straight games. They started this season quite poorly, winning only 2 of their first 8 matches. They did win the Cup though, the clubs first title ever, really a nice morale booster! They have now won two straight (3-1 4-1), and need another one here to steer away from the bottom of the table.
Kalmar did fail us last time against Hammarby, with the game ending 1-1. Häcken do have more offensive quality than both Hammarby and Kalmar though in my opinion. But they've still lost 6 of 10 so I won't bet then to win this. Kalmar have the league's top scorer Antonsson who scored the goal against Hammarby and then two more in their last game against Djurgården, winning 3-0 away. He's scored 6 of Kalmars 8 goals in the last 5 games. It was Kalmar's first clean sheet since september, after fourteen straight with conceded goals. I will however credit that to Djurgårdens awful form as of late, being kept scoreless in 4 of 6. But that's a whole other matter.
Both teams are only two points from relegation, and also only three points from fifth place, no one will be happy with a draw here. Häcken have won four straight against Kalmar, 3-0, 1-0, 3-2 and 4-1. On a good day Häcken could get us the over by them self, but with Antonssons recent form and Häckens quite poor defense, Kalmar should contribute as well. Give me 1-2 Häcken or why not another 3-2 game.
Santiago was one of the few constants for LAA when they were struggling mightily back in April. After a couple rough starts he finally tapped into his potential, throwing 8 scoreless innings in which he out dueled the red hot Mariners and King Felix. Wright is basically an alternate in the MLB, in my opinion. He has decent stuff but he's getting shelled and people are hitting .279 against him overall. The angels don't have any leftie bats that make you go "uh oh" but, they hit righties pretty well, especially Trout who is hitting a blistering .348 against them! On the contrary, as a squad, Baltimore is only hitting .227 against lefties. These trends bode well for us.
Orioles are an excellent team and I have enjoyed betting on them.. however, as mentioned in an earlier post, this is a home team. 100%. They play average on the road and I believe the Halos continue their momentum and gain some ground in the division tonight. Let's go!
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$ANGELS ML$
Why?
Santiago - 3.42 ERA , 1.16 WHIP
Wright - 5.20 ERA, 1.35 WHIP
Santiago was one of the few constants for LAA when they were struggling mightily back in April. After a couple rough starts he finally tapped into his potential, throwing 8 scoreless innings in which he out dueled the red hot Mariners and King Felix. Wright is basically an alternate in the MLB, in my opinion. He has decent stuff but he's getting shelled and people are hitting .279 against him overall. The angels don't have any leftie bats that make you go "uh oh" but, they hit righties pretty well, especially Trout who is hitting a blistering .348 against them! On the contrary, as a squad, Baltimore is only hitting .227 against lefties. These trends bode well for us.
Orioles are an excellent team and I have enjoyed betting on them.. however, as mentioned in an earlier post, this is a home team. 100%. They play average on the road and I believe the Halos continue their momentum and gain some ground in the division tonight. Let's go!
Some things you should consider before betting on a soccer match:
Some players are missing? The manager will rest some key players? The players like the manager or want him to loose his job? The two teams hate each other? What and when will be their next match after this one? The president, the one who pay the players and the manager, is happy or not? The suporters are happy with their teams? What will be the weather like? Also, the way teams play, for example, in Sweden, is completely different from the way teams play in Italy; I'm not talking about quality but about mentality, about their "idea" of soccer.
As I said, soccer is tough to predict, a red card or an injury can change everything..
I usually just tail local bettors with good streaks.I don't even bet on Italian soccer.
Next week I'll start to post some tennis picks. Roland Garros is coming.
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Some things you should consider before betting on a soccer match:
Some players are missing? The manager will rest some key players? The players like the manager or want him to loose his job? The two teams hate each other? What and when will be their next match after this one? The president, the one who pay the players and the manager, is happy or not? The suporters are happy with their teams? What will be the weather like? Also, the way teams play, for example, in Sweden, is completely different from the way teams play in Italy; I'm not talking about quality but about mentality, about their "idea" of soccer.
As I said, soccer is tough to predict, a red card or an injury can change everything..
I usually just tail local bettors with good streaks.I don't even bet on Italian soccer.
Next week I'll start to post some tennis picks. Roland Garros is coming.
This is not a $-play but one that I like as well for sunday (11:30 AM EST).
Djurgården - Helsingborg +0.5 (draw or away win, X2) +138
Home team in a Gefle-like freefall at the moment. Funny thing is that their manager was recently manager for Gefle for about a decade, and also a bunch of the players have also represented Gefle. But that's besides the point really...
Djurgården have lost 6 of 7 and been kept scoreless in 4 of 6. Losing 0-2 in the derby against AIK, followed by 0-3 at home against Kalmar. I love seeing this team suffer. It's almost as satisfying as seeing AIK win. Anyway, Helsingborg did struggle earlier but have now only lost 1 of 7 last games. They lost away against league leaders and last years champions Norrköping - obviously no shame in that. They've drawn the last two games but won four of five before that (the loss mentioned above), so kind of the opposite to Djurgården. I'd give any team, besides Falkenberg and Gefle, a decent chance against Djurgården in this position, and they are way to big favourites (around -150) with their dysfunctional team. I was first looking at the away win at +500 but Helsingborg might be satisfied with the draw and so will I, at +138. At worst this is a coin flip (between 1 and X2) in my opinion. This is no "sure thing" or $-play but I do think we get great value here and I'd take it down to +120.
Obviously this is a smaller wager than the $-plays, but I feel good enough about it to share my thoughts about it.
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This is not a $-play but one that I like as well for sunday (11:30 AM EST).
Djurgården - Helsingborg +0.5 (draw or away win, X2) +138
Home team in a Gefle-like freefall at the moment. Funny thing is that their manager was recently manager for Gefle for about a decade, and also a bunch of the players have also represented Gefle. But that's besides the point really...
Djurgården have lost 6 of 7 and been kept scoreless in 4 of 6. Losing 0-2 in the derby against AIK, followed by 0-3 at home against Kalmar. I love seeing this team suffer. It's almost as satisfying as seeing AIK win. Anyway, Helsingborg did struggle earlier but have now only lost 1 of 7 last games. They lost away against league leaders and last years champions Norrköping - obviously no shame in that. They've drawn the last two games but won four of five before that (the loss mentioned above), so kind of the opposite to Djurgården. I'd give any team, besides Falkenberg and Gefle, a decent chance against Djurgården in this position, and they are way to big favourites (around -150) with their dysfunctional team. I was first looking at the away win at +500 but Helsingborg might be satisfied with the draw and so will I, at +138. At worst this is a coin flip (between 1 and X2) in my opinion. This is no "sure thing" or $-play but I do think we get great value here and I'd take it down to +120.
Obviously this is a smaller wager than the $-plays, but I feel good enough about it to share my thoughts about it.
Both offenses are sputtering the last 3-4 games (Jays averaging 2.5 runs last 4, Twins 2.33 last 3). Starters are a combined 3-9 against the total on the year (1-5 their last 3 starts apiece). Sanchez has been better on the road (2.34 ERA, 1-4 against the total). Duffey has been good everywhere, but even better in his lone start at home (1.42 ERA). Jays as a team are 4-16 against the total on the road this year.
Sanchez has had two clunkers all year, but has been lights out otherwise. I'm banking on him not having two straight clunkers, especially against the bottom feeder that is Minnesota. Duffey was solid after being called up last year and has continued his good work thus far in 2016.
Thanks to everyone for providing all the winners yesterday. Just hope I can start to contribute to the group. Absolutely love the thread.
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K I'll give this a shot.
$$$$ TOR/MIN UN 8.5 $$$$
Both offenses are sputtering the last 3-4 games (Jays averaging 2.5 runs last 4, Twins 2.33 last 3). Starters are a combined 3-9 against the total on the year (1-5 their last 3 starts apiece). Sanchez has been better on the road (2.34 ERA, 1-4 against the total). Duffey has been good everywhere, but even better in his lone start at home (1.42 ERA). Jays as a team are 4-16 against the total on the road this year.
Sanchez has had two clunkers all year, but has been lights out otherwise. I'm banking on him not having two straight clunkers, especially against the bottom feeder that is Minnesota. Duffey was solid after being called up last year and has continued his good work thus far in 2016.
Thanks to everyone for providing all the winners yesterday. Just hope I can start to contribute to the group. Absolutely love the thread.
Not a $ play but I like Yankees tonight with CC on the mound. He should be healthy after returning from injury tonight. Yankees are a better team then A's and starting to finally show it. Best bullpen in baseball.
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Not a $ play but I like Yankees tonight with CC on the mound. He should be healthy after returning from injury tonight. Yankees are a better team then A's and starting to finally show it. Best bullpen in baseball.
The players like the manager or want him to loose his job?
The two teams hate each other?
What and when will be their next match after this one?
Exactly.
Those are the kinds of questions that I had about the various soccer teams that I had considered; however, I've had a lot of trouble to find good write-ups on any European soccer teams.
In the North American sports (US and Canada), I never have trouble searching for good write-ups on any sports here -- but international soccer games have a dearth of good write-ups.
So, are there several good sites with which one can find out the details on the respective teams?
Or does one have to find home sites, fan sites, fantasy sites of specific teams and glean info from those kinds of sites?
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Quote Originally Posted by Francis2000:
Some players are missing?
The manager will rest some key players?
The players like the manager or want him to loose his job?
The two teams hate each other?
What and when will be their next match after this one?
Exactly.
Those are the kinds of questions that I had about the various soccer teams that I had considered; however, I've had a lot of trouble to find good write-ups on any European soccer teams.
In the North American sports (US and Canada), I never have trouble searching for good write-ups on any sports here -- but international soccer games have a dearth of good write-ups.
So, are there several good sites with which one can find out the details on the respective teams?
Or does one have to find home sites, fan sites, fantasy sites of specific teams and glean info from those kinds of sites?
This game is by far the most important game of season to Man United. The whole season was a disappointment. They haven't won anything this season and
they missed the Champions League for next season. That's million dollar lost and Coach LvGaal is ready for getting fired.
This game will be so dominated ba United. Guessing 68-32 percent ball handling and United have so much attack-power and best goal-keeper of a whole serie.
Crystal Palace instead suffer many bad injuries and last game I predicted United win to nil. 2-0 were result.
Now I cannot ask for less. ML is best play here with -128, but I'll take also small wager -1,5 RL with +230
$$$$ Red Devils ML -230 $500
(additional play -1,5 +230) $200
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My $$$$ play for tomorrow 7:30 PM -UTC
Crystal Palace - Manchester United FA Cup Final
This game is by far the most important game of season to Man United. The whole season was a disappointment. They haven't won anything this season and
they missed the Champions League for next season. That's million dollar lost and Coach LvGaal is ready for getting fired.
This game will be so dominated ba United. Guessing 68-32 percent ball handling and United have so much attack-power and best goal-keeper of a whole serie.
Crystal Palace instead suffer many bad injuries and last game I predicted United win to nil. 2-0 were result.
Now I cannot ask for less. ML is best play here with -128, but I'll take also small wager -1,5 RL with +230
Agree with all of the analysis. Cleveland/Over looks good, Quintanna is a beast, should always bet against Sanchez for Detroit, etc., but my $$$$ tonight is on Jake and the Cubs -1 @ -148.
Even with my normal juiced Cubs line, I got -180/-115, giving my -148 on the -1 RL.
I know all about the road splits, home splits etc., but my continued play on Jake is real simple. Do you realize, the Cubs just don't lose for him. I hear you, he normally gives up less than 2 runs a game, which certainly helps, but ask guys like Hernandez on Seattle if your team getting a few runs doesn't help. You just have to be too fine in those scenarios.
Here is the line if you don't know it. If you take away, the stinker against the Mets last year in the playoffs, the Cubs have only lost 1 of his starts in the last 29. That is literally crazy when you think about it. I feel sorry for all of the sad contrarians out there, who thought the Cubs are due to lose one of his starts.
Of course, I get Peavy on the other side, which doesn't hurt. I don't think he is back just because he had a decent start last time out, and again, it doesn't matter.
I actually have been taking the Jake ML at anything under -300 and I will ride this crazy streak until it ends.
I do agree that Giants are hot right now, so I plan on being cautious with Lester tomorrow.
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Agree with all of the analysis. Cleveland/Over looks good, Quintanna is a beast, should always bet against Sanchez for Detroit, etc., but my $$$$ tonight is on Jake and the Cubs -1 @ -148.
Even with my normal juiced Cubs line, I got -180/-115, giving my -148 on the -1 RL.
I know all about the road splits, home splits etc., but my continued play on Jake is real simple. Do you realize, the Cubs just don't lose for him. I hear you, he normally gives up less than 2 runs a game, which certainly helps, but ask guys like Hernandez on Seattle if your team getting a few runs doesn't help. You just have to be too fine in those scenarios.
Here is the line if you don't know it. If you take away, the stinker against the Mets last year in the playoffs, the Cubs have only lost 1 of his starts in the last 29. That is literally crazy when you think about it. I feel sorry for all of the sad contrarians out there, who thought the Cubs are due to lose one of his starts.
Of course, I get Peavy on the other side, which doesn't hurt. I don't think he is back just because he had a decent start last time out, and again, it doesn't matter.
I actually have been taking the Jake ML at anything under -300 and I will ride this crazy streak until it ends.
I do agree that Giants are hot right now, so I plan on being cautious with Lester tomorrow.
Really good insight info for that Kups-SJK game: Leaguetable is a bit f*cked because in seriestart, first game SJK, the champion did use player that wasn't registered properly to the league and for that reason Jury judged that game to opponents favor 0-3 link for that game: https://www.livetulokset.com/ottelu/xWpQrsJq/#ottelun-yhteenveto
You'll see win 2-0, but result was 0-3 and they lose 3pts. That's why defending champ is so low on chart.
Still love away win, because Finland is so effin small country and distance of any of those matches are less than 250 miles. No overnight trips or anything, so that homecourt advance is not that big.
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Really good insight info for that Kups-SJK game: Leaguetable is a bit f*cked because in seriestart, first game SJK, the champion did use player that wasn't registered properly to the league and for that reason Jury judged that game to opponents favor 0-3 link for that game: https://www.livetulokset.com/ottelu/xWpQrsJq/#ottelun-yhteenveto
You'll see win 2-0, but result was 0-3 and they lose 3pts. That's why defending champ is so low on chart.
Still love away win, because Finland is so effin small country and distance of any of those matches are less than 250 miles. No overnight trips or anything, so that homecourt advance is not that big.
Has this happened to anyone else? I was about to place my bet for the Kalmar over, when I hit submit, it said no longer available. The Swedish games disappeared
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Has this happened to anyone else? I was about to place my bet for the Kalmar over, when I hit submit, it said no longer available. The Swedish games disappeared
Not a $ play but I like Yankees tonight with CC on the mound. He should be healthy after returning from injury tonight. Yankees are a better team then A's and starting to finally show it. Best bullpen in baseball.
Not to dissuade anybody from taking Yankees tonight, but I for one am wary about backing any pitcher making his first start off the disabled list. Combine that with the fact that Sabathia has not pitched well there his last two starts, plus look at his starts this season and see he struggles to even go 6 innings anymore. So that leads me to believe the Yankee bullpen will have to pitch 3-4 innings potentially tonight to preserve the win, yet their top 3 bullpen guys have pitched two games/days in a row. So one has to have a question as to who is available to pitch out of the Yankee bullpen and who will be rested tonight, right? If those top guns are not available, innings 5-9 could get a bit exciting I think.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eternal10:
Not a $ play but I like Yankees tonight with CC on the mound. He should be healthy after returning from injury tonight. Yankees are a better team then A's and starting to finally show it. Best bullpen in baseball.
Not to dissuade anybody from taking Yankees tonight, but I for one am wary about backing any pitcher making his first start off the disabled list. Combine that with the fact that Sabathia has not pitched well there his last two starts, plus look at his starts this season and see he struggles to even go 6 innings anymore. So that leads me to believe the Yankee bullpen will have to pitch 3-4 innings potentially tonight to preserve the win, yet their top 3 bullpen guys have pitched two games/days in a row. So one has to have a question as to who is available to pitch out of the Yankee bullpen and who will be rested tonight, right? If those top guns are not available, innings 5-9 could get a bit exciting I think.
newmi - thanks for posting a few more soccer winners. My book does not have those games listed yet, so I will have to check again tomorrow and hope the juice does not rise too much.
thread - Interesting that money keeps flowing towards the Astros here, making an already strange looking line look even more strange. I put another 1/2 unit on Texas, it just seems too good to be true to get +150 in this matchup?
I'm also tailing brackson and putting a bet on Tor/Min under 8.5 today. Was looking at that one earlier, seems decent. Duffey is pitching well while Sanchez has been fairly consistent as well. Twins bullpen worries me though after that 11 inning game yesterday. Hope they don't ruin this bet for us in the 8th/9th inning.
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newmi - thanks for posting a few more soccer winners. My book does not have those games listed yet, so I will have to check again tomorrow and hope the juice does not rise too much.
thread - Interesting that money keeps flowing towards the Astros here, making an already strange looking line look even more strange. I put another 1/2 unit on Texas, it just seems too good to be true to get +150 in this matchup?
I'm also tailing brackson and putting a bet on Tor/Min under 8.5 today. Was looking at that one earlier, seems decent. Duffey is pitching well while Sanchez has been fairly consistent as well. Twins bullpen worries me though after that 11 inning game yesterday. Hope they don't ruin this bet for us in the 8th/9th inning.
First time poster, long time tailer. I'm going to keep this one short and sweet.
NFL Brosuf touched on Martinez and his dominance against right handed batters. Unfortunately for the Diamondbacks the majority of their line up has righties through out. Snakes hit a cold spell and it seems to just be bad timing they've come across a solid ball club on a heater with a pitcher that is built to tear down this type of line-up. Don't over think this one. Best of luck to all!
$$$ STL CARDINALS -155 $$$
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$$$ STL CARDINALS -155 $$$
First time poster, long time tailer. I'm going to keep this one short and sweet.
NFL Brosuf touched on Martinez and his dominance against right handed batters. Unfortunately for the Diamondbacks the majority of their line up has righties through out. Snakes hit a cold spell and it seems to just be bad timing they've come across a solid ball club on a heater with a pitcher that is built to tear down this type of line-up. Don't over think this one. Best of luck to all!
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