G - I think you would wager (using your example of $1), .83 to win 1.17 on the Twins at +141 and .96 to win 1.04 on San Diego at +109.
Flat betting in Baseball....
G - I think you would wager (using your example of $1), .83 to win 1.17 on the Twins at +141 and .96 to win 1.04 on San Diego at +109.
G - I think you would wager (using your example of $1), .83 to win 1.17 on the Twins at +141 and .96 to win 1.04 on San Diego at +109.
Vanzack, Gwarner brins up a good question. Wouldn't betting all bets to win 1 unit be flat betting as well? I don't know if I am just really missing something.
That would be valuing the biggest underdogs the most, since a $10 bet at +150 will win 15.00, and a $10 bet at +110 will win 11.00. The +150 bet would be more important to one's bankroll... and it should only be bet this way if the bettor knows he hits big dogs at a higher rate than small dogs.
TRoe you got it right.
Vanzack, Gwarner brins up a good question. Wouldn't betting all bets to win 1 unit be flat betting as well? I don't know if I am just really missing something.
That would be valuing the biggest underdogs the most, since a $10 bet at +150 will win 15.00, and a $10 bet at +110 will win 11.00. The +150 bet would be more important to one's bankroll... and it should only be bet this way if the bettor knows he hits big dogs at a higher rate than small dogs.
TRoe you got it right.
I'm sure that winning 66% will make it not matter in any situation, but what exactly does this change do for me? Does it make my losses less costly on dogs because the bigger dogs that win less, i wouldn't be losing as much on, while my losses on favorites wouldn't be as bad because i just wouldn't be trying to win a normal unit? I understand that trying to win a certain amount makes dog games far less important because in a +200 situation you could only be laying $0.50 (in my example) to win that $1, while for a -200 favorite, you'd have to lay $2 to win that same $1, thus if you split, you're really losing $1 (or 1 unit) on the day.
So, until I'm corrected, I see this strategy helping make my losses not sting as much in the long run. Correct?
I'm sure that winning 66% will make it not matter in any situation, but what exactly does this change do for me? Does it make my losses less costly on dogs because the bigger dogs that win less, i wouldn't be losing as much on, while my losses on favorites wouldn't be as bad because i just wouldn't be trying to win a normal unit? I understand that trying to win a certain amount makes dog games far less important because in a +200 situation you could only be laying $0.50 (in my example) to win that $1, while for a -200 favorite, you'd have to lay $2 to win that same $1, thus if you split, you're really losing $1 (or 1 unit) on the day.
So, until I'm corrected, I see this strategy helping make my losses not sting as much in the long run. Correct?
That would be valuing the biggest underdogs the most, since a $10 bet at +150 will win 15.00, and a $10 bet at +110 will win 11.00. The +150 bet would be more important to one's bankroll... and it should only be bet this way if the bettor knows he hits big dogs at a higher rate than small dogs.
TRoe you got it right.
Sorry, there must be a misunderstanding. I was referring to betting to win the same amount not betting to risk the same amount.
That would be valuing the biggest underdogs the most, since a $10 bet at +150 will win 15.00, and a $10 bet at +110 will win 11.00. The +150 bet would be more important to one's bankroll... and it should only be bet this way if the bettor knows he hits big dogs at a higher rate than small dogs.
TRoe you got it right.
Sorry, there must be a misunderstanding. I was referring to betting to win the same amount not betting to risk the same amount.
Mods,
You should sticky this thread. It should be a MUST read for everyone.
Mods,
You should sticky this thread. It should be a MUST read for everyone.
Great post as usual Vanzack. I wish we would see more posts like this and less of the other crap that's happening here. Keep up the good work.
Mods,
You should sticky this thread. It should be a MUST read for everyone.
Great post as usual Vanzack. I wish we would see more posts like this and less of the other crap that's happening here. Keep up the good work.
Mods,
You should sticky this thread. It should be a MUST read for everyone.
lanastasis:
i may be opening a whole other can of worms here, but i have to ask the question: how do you go about calculating moneylines? also, i konw you spared me the math, but do you have a link to the theory, or could you explain it?
thanks
lanastasis:
i may be opening a whole other can of worms here, but i have to ask the question: how do you go about calculating moneylines? also, i konw you spared me the math, but do you have a link to the theory, or could you explain it?
thanks
thank you lawstyle
lanastasis:
i may be opening a whole other can of worms here, but i have to ask the question: how do you go about calculating moneylines? also, i konw you spared me the math, but do you have a link to the theory, or could you explain it?
thanks
Without giving away the critical details that I have worked years to develop, the crux is the following:
* Calculate a power rating for the team's lineups by using the OBP% and SLG% of each starting hitter versus right or left handed pitching (depending on who is starting for the other team.)
* Estimate the starting pitchers expected ERA by using XERA of past years.
* Estimate the bullpen ERA by how it has done during the season and if it has been overused in recent days.
* Add cents for home field advantage/disadvantage (average home team vs. average road team gives the home team 16 extra cents).
There are many other nuances, but this is all I can part with.
I'm not sure if there was another part to your question that I'm not addressing here.
thank you lawstyle
lanastasis:
i may be opening a whole other can of worms here, but i have to ask the question: how do you go about calculating moneylines? also, i konw you spared me the math, but do you have a link to the theory, or could you explain it?
thanks
Without giving away the critical details that I have worked years to develop, the crux is the following:
* Calculate a power rating for the team's lineups by using the OBP% and SLG% of each starting hitter versus right or left handed pitching (depending on who is starting for the other team.)
* Estimate the starting pitchers expected ERA by using XERA of past years.
* Estimate the bullpen ERA by how it has done during the season and if it has been overused in recent days.
* Add cents for home field advantage/disadvantage (average home team vs. average road team gives the home team 16 extra cents).
There are many other nuances, but this is all I can part with.
I'm not sure if there was another part to your question that I'm not addressing here.
Great info -- Great thread!
Yo mama, Obama! Go cat go
Even Micky Mouse would be better
Than another Republican yo-yo!
RebelTell2
Great info -- Great thread!
Yo mama, Obama! Go cat go
Even Micky Mouse would be better
Than another Republican yo-yo!
RebelTell2
Cant say it any simpler than that.
Cant say it any simpler than that.
Without giving away the critical details that I have worked years to develop, the crux is the following:
* Calculate a power rating for the team's lineups by using the OBP% and SLG% of each starting hitter versus right or left handed pitching (depending on who is starting for the other team.)
* Estimate the starting pitchers expected ERA by using XERA of past years.
* Estimate the bullpen ERA by how it has done during the season and if it has been overused in recent days.
* Add cents for home field advantage/disadvantage (average home team vs. average road team gives the home team 16 extra cents).
There are many other nuances, but this is all I can part with.
I'm not sure if there was another part to your question that I'm not addressing here.
i totally respect your system, and i am not asking for your secret sauce - i am more interested in how those factors actually calculate an output of a money line.
for sake of example, say you have 7 variables, how do you manipulate them arithmetically/algebraically to spit out an answer of a moneyline?
forgive me if this doesn't make sense.
thanks.
Without giving away the critical details that I have worked years to develop, the crux is the following:
* Calculate a power rating for the team's lineups by using the OBP% and SLG% of each starting hitter versus right or left handed pitching (depending on who is starting for the other team.)
* Estimate the starting pitchers expected ERA by using XERA of past years.
* Estimate the bullpen ERA by how it has done during the season and if it has been overused in recent days.
* Add cents for home field advantage/disadvantage (average home team vs. average road team gives the home team 16 extra cents).
There are many other nuances, but this is all I can part with.
I'm not sure if there was another part to your question that I'm not addressing here.
i totally respect your system, and i am not asking for your secret sauce - i am more interested in how those factors actually calculate an output of a money line.
for sake of example, say you have 7 variables, how do you manipulate them arithmetically/algebraically to spit out an answer of a moneyline?
forgive me if this doesn't make sense.
thanks.
kevk87 -- Mathematical data refutes the impact of streaks upon a game. If a team is streaking positively or negatively, it is because the components of that team is lacking and/or they have been playing superior competition. My numbers reflect this reality so in actuality, I will play on or against streaking teams anyway whenever I spot value.
I have seen the term "revenge factor" around here and I have yet to see anyone explain to me how a desire to get revenge can give a team an advantage in a baseball game which is comprised of so many intricate factors that are not influenced by emotion and feeling.
I do not calculate for day/night games. In my opinion (and I have to believe this is backed mathematically) if an aspect of a game is good or bad at 3 am it will be good or bad at 6 pm. I suppose you could impute a million different factors besides the bread and butter but that would take up all the time I have every day and I try to have some life outside of betting. More importantly, what I do results in very profitable results so I have no reason to change what I do.
kevk87 -- Mathematical data refutes the impact of streaks upon a game. If a team is streaking positively or negatively, it is because the components of that team is lacking and/or they have been playing superior competition. My numbers reflect this reality so in actuality, I will play on or against streaking teams anyway whenever I spot value.
I have seen the term "revenge factor" around here and I have yet to see anyone explain to me how a desire to get revenge can give a team an advantage in a baseball game which is comprised of so many intricate factors that are not influenced by emotion and feeling.
I do not calculate for day/night games. In my opinion (and I have to believe this is backed mathematically) if an aspect of a game is good or bad at 3 am it will be good or bad at 6 pm. I suppose you could impute a million different factors besides the bread and butter but that would take up all the time I have every day and I try to have some life outside of betting. More importantly, what I do results in very profitable results so I have no reason to change what I do.
Cant say it any simpler than that.
so, in even simpler terms, using this method makes all games have = importance? or as close to that as is humanly possible?
Cant say it any simpler than that.
so, in even simpler terms, using this method makes all games have = importance? or as close to that as is humanly possible?
so, in even simpler terms, using this method makes all games have = importance? or as close to that as is humanly possible?
Yes exactly.
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so, in even simpler terms, using this method makes all games have = importance? or as close to that as is humanly possible?
Yes exactly.
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Flat-out wrong. Squares who think they are sharps only bet dogs in baseball.
Flat-out wrong. Squares who think they are sharps only bet dogs in baseball.
No politics in the baseball forum please but since you started it, let me tell you that McBush will not be our next President.
No politics in the baseball forum please but since you started it, let me tell you that McBush will not be our next President.
really good thread and interesting but most sharps ONLY bet dogs in baseball
Flat-out wrong. Squares who think they are sharps only bet dogs in baseball.
Bingo.
really good thread and interesting but most sharps ONLY bet dogs in baseball
Flat-out wrong. Squares who think they are sharps only bet dogs in baseball.
Bingo.
gotcha. that's what i've done before reading this thread. I did grab the excel formula, which is saved in a spreadsheet that i'm planning to use for every bet i make in the future, i'm just not certain on what benefits this does for me.
I'm sure that winning 66% will make it not matter in any situation, but what exactly does this change do for me? Does it make my losses less costly on dogs because the bigger dogs that win less, i wouldn't be losing as much on, while my losses on favorites wouldn't be as bad because i just wouldn't be trying to win a normal unit? I understand that trying to win a certain amount makes dog games far less important because in a +200 situation you could only be laying $0.50 (in my example) to win that $1, while for a -200 favorite, you'd have to lay $2 to win that same $1, thus if you split, you're really losing $1 (or 1 unit) on the day.
So, until I'm corrected, I see this strategy helping make my losses not sting as much in the long run. Correct?
This is a tough question to answer, because there are so many possible scenarios, but I'll try to give you an idea of what I understand. Let's say a bettor is putting $10 on every game for an entire season. Let's also assume that the odds of the games bet on are either +200 or -200, so either a fairly heavy favorite or fairly heavy underdog. In a 100 game season, let's also assume you bet evenly on dogs and favorites. Now, let's say you go 40-10 on favorites, for a profit of $100 (40 wins of 5$ and 10 losses of 10$). For the underdogs, you go 10-40, for a loss of $200. You are down $100 on the season.
Now, realize that at -200 odds, you are supposed to win two times for every time you lose, and at +200 odds, you are supposed to win once for every two losses. Therefore, this split (if there is no skill/luck involved) would result in about a 33-17 record on favorites and a 17-33 record on dogs, and the bettor would end up breaking even on the season. However, in the scenario I presented, the bettor was able to win 7 more games on favorites than he statistically should have, but he lost 7 more games on underdogs. Even though his luck pretty much evened out, he is down $100 on the season, because he valued dogs more, and he did not have a good season betting dogs.
In other words, betting 10 a game regardless of the odds washes out your record for favorites, and makes your dog plays more meaningful to your final bankroll. To adjust, the bettor should we wagering MORE money per bet on ML favorites and LESS money per bet on ML underdogs so as not to overvalue the dogs.
"Flat Betting" will value your bets on dogs and favorites equally in the long run. As opposed to the way most people bet (bet exactly 1 unit on each game), flat betting makes your record betting on favorites more prominent in your bankroll, and betting on dogs less prominent in your bankroll, AS IT SHOULD BE, since underdogs are less likely to hit.
If you are especially good at betting specifically favorites or dogs, then "flat betting" is probably not for you, but for most systems and bettors, "flat betting" is the best way to keep a bankroll that corresponds to your betting record.
gotcha. that's what i've done before reading this thread. I did grab the excel formula, which is saved in a spreadsheet that i'm planning to use for every bet i make in the future, i'm just not certain on what benefits this does for me.
I'm sure that winning 66% will make it not matter in any situation, but what exactly does this change do for me? Does it make my losses less costly on dogs because the bigger dogs that win less, i wouldn't be losing as much on, while my losses on favorites wouldn't be as bad because i just wouldn't be trying to win a normal unit? I understand that trying to win a certain amount makes dog games far less important because in a +200 situation you could only be laying $0.50 (in my example) to win that $1, while for a -200 favorite, you'd have to lay $2 to win that same $1, thus if you split, you're really losing $1 (or 1 unit) on the day.
So, until I'm corrected, I see this strategy helping make my losses not sting as much in the long run. Correct?
This is a tough question to answer, because there are so many possible scenarios, but I'll try to give you an idea of what I understand. Let's say a bettor is putting $10 on every game for an entire season. Let's also assume that the odds of the games bet on are either +200 or -200, so either a fairly heavy favorite or fairly heavy underdog. In a 100 game season, let's also assume you bet evenly on dogs and favorites. Now, let's say you go 40-10 on favorites, for a profit of $100 (40 wins of 5$ and 10 losses of 10$). For the underdogs, you go 10-40, for a loss of $200. You are down $100 on the season.
Now, realize that at -200 odds, you are supposed to win two times for every time you lose, and at +200 odds, you are supposed to win once for every two losses. Therefore, this split (if there is no skill/luck involved) would result in about a 33-17 record on favorites and a 17-33 record on dogs, and the bettor would end up breaking even on the season. However, in the scenario I presented, the bettor was able to win 7 more games on favorites than he statistically should have, but he lost 7 more games on underdogs. Even though his luck pretty much evened out, he is down $100 on the season, because he valued dogs more, and he did not have a good season betting dogs.
In other words, betting 10 a game regardless of the odds washes out your record for favorites, and makes your dog plays more meaningful to your final bankroll. To adjust, the bettor should we wagering MORE money per bet on ML favorites and LESS money per bet on ML underdogs so as not to overvalue the dogs.
"Flat Betting" will value your bets on dogs and favorites equally in the long run. As opposed to the way most people bet (bet exactly 1 unit on each game), flat betting makes your record betting on favorites more prominent in your bankroll, and betting on dogs less prominent in your bankroll, AS IT SHOULD BE, since underdogs are less likely to hit.
If you are especially good at betting specifically favorites or dogs, then "flat betting" is probably not for you, but for most systems and bettors, "flat betting" is the best way to keep a bankroll that corresponds to your betting record.
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