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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 5:44 PM ET #101

    Sorry for answering GWarner's question, van, but I'm trying to see if I've got this down.

    G - I think you would wager (using your example of $1), .83 to win 1.17 on the Twins at +141 and .96 to win 1.04 on San Diego at +109.
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    Sorry for answering GWarner's question, van, but I'm trying to see if I've got this down.

    G - I think you would wager (using your example of $1), .83 to win 1.17 on the Twins at +141 and .96 to win 1.04 on San Diego at +109.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 5:49 PM ET #102

    badmofo - I don't know much about ROI so I can't help you there.  As far as the 2% unit size goes, I think it's a good idea.  I'd say 3% or 4% would be just as safe.  I used to use a 4% unit size before I eventually just started using a flat unit of $100, but the percentage idea is safe.
     
    Gwarner - I think you misunderstood the model.  "So by this model, I should be betting to win $1 on both, which would be $0.71 on the Twins (rounded) at +141 to win that $1, and $0.92 on the Padres (rounded) at +109 to win $1."  This is incorrect, you should be betting the amount so that the risk + reward = 2 units.  So if you are betting the Twins at +141, you should bet $0.82 to win $1.18 if your units are 1$.  For a -160 favorite, you would be betting $1.23 for a $0.77 reward.  I posted a formula above to plug in the numbers, all you need is the unit size and odds.  I also posted an excel formula in another post above if you want to do it that way.  Also, your hypothetical situation is NOT flat betting, correct.  You are valuing the Twins bet more, because winning the Twins but losing the Padres will have a better outcome than losing the Twins and winning the Padres.  Feel me?
     
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    badmofo - I don't know much about ROI so I can't help you there.  As far as the 2% unit size goes, I think it's a good idea.  I'd say 3% or 4% would be just as safe.  I used to use a 4% unit size before I eventually just started using a flat unit of $100, but the percentage idea is safe.
     
    Gwarner - I think you misunderstood the model.  "So by this model, I should be betting to win $1 on both, which would be $0.71 on the Twins (rounded) at +141 to win that $1, and $0.92 on the Padres (rounded) at +109 to win $1."  This is incorrect, you should be betting the amount so that the risk + reward = 2 units.  So if you are betting the Twins at +141, you should bet $0.82 to win $1.18 if your units are 1$.  For a -160 favorite, you would be betting $1.23 for a $0.77 reward.  I posted a formula above to plug in the numbers, all you need is the unit size and odds.  I also posted an excel formula in another post above if you want to do it that way.  Also, your hypothetical situation is NOT flat betting, correct.  You are valuing the Twins bet more, because winning the Twins but losing the Padres will have a better outcome than losing the Twins and winning the Padres.  Feel me?
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 5:53 PM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by lanastasis:

    Vanzack, Gwarner brins up a good question. Wouldn't betting all bets to win 1 unit be flat betting as well? I don't know if I am just really missing something.

     

    That would be valuing the biggest underdogs the most, since a $10 bet at +150 will win 15.00, and a $10 bet at +110 will win 11.00.  The +150 bet would be more important to one's bankroll... and it should only be bet this way if the bettor knows he hits big dogs at a higher rate than small dogs.

     

    TRoe you got it right. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanastasis:

    Vanzack, Gwarner brins up a good question. Wouldn't betting all bets to win 1 unit be flat betting as well? I don't know if I am just really missing something.

     

    That would be valuing the biggest underdogs the most, since a $10 bet at +150 will win 15.00, and a $10 bet at +110 will win 11.00.  The +150 bet would be more important to one's bankroll... and it should only be bet this way if the bettor knows he hits big dogs at a higher rate than small dogs.

     

    TRoe you got it right. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 5:56 PM ET #104

    gotcha. that's what i've done before reading this thread. I did grab the excel formula, which is saved in a spreadsheet that i'm planning to use for every bet i make in the future, i'm just not certain on what benefits this does for me.

    I'm sure that winning 66% will make it not matter in any situation, but what exactly does this change do for me? Does it make my losses less costly on dogs because the bigger dogs that win less, i wouldn't be losing as much on, while my losses on favorites wouldn't be as bad because i just wouldn't be trying to win a normal unit? I understand that trying to win a certain amount makes dog games far less important because in a +200 situation you could only be laying $0.50 (in my example) to win that $1, while for a -200 favorite, you'd have to lay $2 to win that same $1, thus if you split, you're really losing $1 (or 1 unit) on the day.

    So, until I'm corrected, I see this strategy helping make my losses not sting as much in the long run. Correct?
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    gotcha. that's what i've done before reading this thread. I did grab the excel formula, which is saved in a spreadsheet that i'm planning to use for every bet i make in the future, i'm just not certain on what benefits this does for me.

    I'm sure that winning 66% will make it not matter in any situation, but what exactly does this change do for me? Does it make my losses less costly on dogs because the bigger dogs that win less, i wouldn't be losing as much on, while my losses on favorites wouldn't be as bad because i just wouldn't be trying to win a normal unit? I understand that trying to win a certain amount makes dog games far less important because in a +200 situation you could only be laying $0.50 (in my example) to win that $1, while for a -200 favorite, you'd have to lay $2 to win that same $1, thus if you split, you're really losing $1 (or 1 unit) on the day.

    So, until I'm corrected, I see this strategy helping make my losses not sting as much in the long run. Correct?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 6:03 PM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by lawstyle:

     

    That would be valuing the biggest underdogs the most, since a $10 bet at +150 will win 15.00, and a $10 bet at +110 will win 11.00.  The +150 bet would be more important to one's bankroll... and it should only be bet this way if the bettor knows he hits big dogs at a higher rate than small dogs.

     

    TRoe you got it right. 



    Sorry, there must be a misunderstanding. I was referring to betting to win the same amount not betting to risk the same amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawstyle:

     

    That would be valuing the biggest underdogs the most, since a $10 bet at +150 will win 15.00, and a $10 bet at +110 will win 11.00.  The +150 bet would be more important to one's bankroll... and it should only be bet this way if the bettor knows he hits big dogs at a higher rate than small dogs.

     

    TRoe you got it right. 



    Sorry, there must be a misunderstanding. I was referring to betting to win the same amount not betting to risk the same amount.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 6:04 PM ET #106

    Great post as usual Vanzack.  I wish we would see more posts like this and less of the other crap that's happening here.  Keep up the good work.

    Mods,

    You should sticky this thread.  It should be a MUST read for everyone.
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    Great post as usual Vanzack.  I wish we would see more posts like this and less of the other crap that's happening here.  Keep up the good work.

    Mods,

    You should sticky this thread.  It should be a MUST read for everyone.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 6:06 PM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by JG33:

    Great post as usual Vanzack.  I wish we would see more posts like this and less of the other crap that's happening here.  Keep up the good work.

    Mods,

    You should sticky this thread.  It should be a MUST read for everyone.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JG33:

    Great post as usual Vanzack.  I wish we would see more posts like this and less of the other crap that's happening here.  Keep up the good work.

    Mods,

    You should sticky this thread.  It should be a MUST read for everyone.



     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 6:13 PM ET #108

    GWarner, Losses on dogs would not sting as much dollar wise but losses on favs would sting more...ex.  van's flat system: -120 line he would wager 109 to win 91 whereas people that van considers losers would wager 100 to win 83
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    GWarner, Losses on dogs would not sting as much dollar wise but losses on favs would sting more...ex.  van's flat system: -120 line he would wager 109 to win 91 whereas people that van considers losers would wager 100 to win 83
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 6:18 PM ET #109

    i'm wondering that since i've given up on MLB fav's, that this would make sense because I would never subject myself to that, NC. I've had too many bad beats with the fav's, so i'm thinking that if i actually never bet up to my unit then it may make sense with my recent predilection for the dawgs.
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    i'm wondering that since i've given up on MLB fav's, that this would make sense because I would never subject myself to that, NC. I've had too many bad beats with the fav's, so i'm thinking that if i actually never bet up to my unit then it may make sense with my recent predilection for the dawgs.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 6:20 PM ET #110

    i guess this system would work with juiced games as well for other sports like the NBA, NCAA CB or CF? Just input the different juices and roll from there...
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    i guess this system would work with juiced games as well for other sports like the NBA, NCAA CB or CF? Just input the different juices and roll from there...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 6:21 PM ET #111

    thank you lawstyle


    lanastasis:

    i may be opening a whole other can of worms here, but i have to ask the question:  how do you go about calculating moneylines?  also, i konw you spared me the math, but do you have a link to the theory, or could you explain it?

    thanks




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    thank you lawstyle


    lanastasis:

    i may be opening a whole other can of worms here, but i have to ask the question:  how do you go about calculating moneylines?  also, i konw you spared me the math, but do you have a link to the theory, or could you explain it?

    thanks




     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 6:28 PM ET #112

    Quote Originally Posted by badmofo:

    thank you lawstyle


    lanastasis:

    i may be opening a whole other can of worms here, but i have to ask the question:  how do you go about calculating moneylines?  also, i konw you spared me the math, but do you have a link to the theory, or could you explain it?

    thanks






    Without giving away the critical details that I have worked years to develop, the crux is the following:

    * Calculate a power rating for the team's lineups by using the OBP% and SLG% of each starting hitter versus right or left handed pitching (depending on who is starting for the other team.)

    * Estimate the starting pitchers expected ERA by using XERA of past years.

    * Estimate the bullpen ERA by how it has done during the season and if it has been overused in recent days.

    * Add cents for home field advantage/disadvantage (average home team vs. average road team gives the home team 16 extra cents).

    There are many other nuances, but this is all I can part with.

    I'm not sure if there was another part to your question that I'm not addressing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badmofo:

    thank you lawstyle


    lanastasis:

    i may be opening a whole other can of worms here, but i have to ask the question:  how do you go about calculating moneylines?  also, i konw you spared me the math, but do you have a link to the theory, or could you explain it?

    thanks






    Without giving away the critical details that I have worked years to develop, the crux is the following:

    * Calculate a power rating for the team's lineups by using the OBP% and SLG% of each starting hitter versus right or left handed pitching (depending on who is starting for the other team.)

    * Estimate the starting pitchers expected ERA by using XERA of past years.

    * Estimate the bullpen ERA by how it has done during the season and if it has been overused in recent days.

    * Add cents for home field advantage/disadvantage (average home team vs. average road team gives the home team 16 extra cents).

    There are many other nuances, but this is all I can part with.

    I'm not sure if there was another part to your question that I'm not addressing here.
     
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    Thanks, Vanzack and lawstyle!

    Great info -- Great thread!

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    Thanks, Vanzack and lawstyle!

    Great info -- Great thread!

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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 6:39 PM ET #114

    Gwarner - in simple terms - if you bet 1 unit on everything, the farther you get away from 100 (odds) the more important the game.
     
    Lets take an extreme example to prove a point:
     
    You are going to bet 2 games, one with +110 odds, and one with +1800 odds (yes +1800).
     
    If you bet 100 on each, game A is 100 to win 110, and game B is 100 to win 1800.
     
    How can anyone say those 2 games have equal importance and therefore you are flat betting?  Clearly, winning game B is more important than winning game A.
     
    So if you bet 1 unit on all of your bets regardless of odds, the more you move away from 100 the more important the game.

    Cant say it any simpler than that.
     
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    Gwarner - in simple terms - if you bet 1 unit on everything, the farther you get away from 100 (odds) the more important the game.
     
    Lets take an extreme example to prove a point:
     
    You are going to bet 2 games, one with +110 odds, and one with +1800 odds (yes +1800).
     
    If you bet 100 on each, game A is 100 to win 110, and game B is 100 to win 1800.
     
    How can anyone say those 2 games have equal importance and therefore you are flat betting?  Clearly, winning game B is more important than winning game A.
     
    So if you bet 1 unit on all of your bets regardless of odds, the more you move away from 100 the more important the game.

    Cant say it any simpler than that.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lanastasis:



    Without giving away the critical details that I have worked years to develop, the crux is the following:

    * Calculate a power rating for the team's lineups by using the OBP% and SLG% of each starting hitter versus right or left handed pitching (depending on who is starting for the other team.)

    * Estimate the starting pitchers expected ERA by using XERA of past years.

    * Estimate the bullpen ERA by how it has done during the season and if it has been overused in recent days.

    * Add cents for home field advantage/disadvantage (average home team vs. average road team gives the home team 16 extra cents).

    There are many other nuances, but this is all I can part with.

    I'm not sure if there was another part to your question that I'm not addressing here.



    i totally respect your system, and i am not asking for your secret sauce - i am more interested in how those factors actually calculate an output of a money line.

    for sake of example, say you have 7 variables, how do you manipulate them arithmetically/algebraically to spit out an answer of  a moneyline?

    forgive me if this doesn't make sense.

    thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lanastasis:



    Without giving away the critical details that I have worked years to develop, the crux is the following:

    * Calculate a power rating for the team's lineups by using the OBP% and SLG% of each starting hitter versus right or left handed pitching (depending on who is starting for the other team.)

    * Estimate the starting pitchers expected ERA by using XERA of past years.

    * Estimate the bullpen ERA by how it has done during the season and if it has been overused in recent days.

    * Add cents for home field advantage/disadvantage (average home team vs. average road team gives the home team 16 extra cents).

    There are many other nuances, but this is all I can part with.

    I'm not sure if there was another part to your question that I'm not addressing here.



    i totally respect your system, and i am not asking for your secret sauce - i am more interested in how those factors actually calculate an output of a money line.

    for sake of example, say you have 7 variables, how do you manipulate them arithmetically/algebraically to spit out an answer of  a moneyline?

    forgive me if this doesn't make sense.

    thanks.


     
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    lanastatis, do you also consider streaks, revenge factor, and night/day games? Also do you know any power rating sites?
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    lanastatis, do you also consider streaks, revenge factor, and night/day games? Also do you know any power rating sites?
     
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    badmofo -- sorry, but answering this question would be the secret sauce. I try to help where I can but answering this would not only take me a 20,000 word essay but it would also give away everything I have spent so long working on. I try to be fair by posting my plays. No plays today for me, but I will be back on board tomorrow.

    kevk87 -- Mathematical data refutes the impact of streaks upon a game. If a team is streaking positively or negatively, it is because the components of that team is lacking and/or they have been playing superior competition. My numbers reflect this reality so in actuality, I will play on or against streaking teams anyway whenever I spot value.

    I have seen the term "revenge factor" around here and I have yet to see anyone explain to me how a desire to get revenge can give a team an advantage in a baseball game which is comprised of so many intricate factors that are not influenced by emotion and feeling.

    I do not calculate for day/night games. In my opinion (and I have to believe this is backed mathematically) if an aspect of a game is good or bad at 3 am it will be good or bad at 6 pm. I suppose you could impute a million different factors besides the bread and butter but that would take up all the time I have every day and I try to have some life outside of betting. More importantly, what I do results in very profitable results so I have no reason to change what I do.
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    badmofo -- sorry, but answering this question would be the secret sauce. I try to help where I can but answering this would not only take me a 20,000 word essay but it would also give away everything I have spent so long working on. I try to be fair by posting my plays. No plays today for me, but I will be back on board tomorrow.

    kevk87 -- Mathematical data refutes the impact of streaks upon a game. If a team is streaking positively or negatively, it is because the components of that team is lacking and/or they have been playing superior competition. My numbers reflect this reality so in actuality, I will play on or against streaking teams anyway whenever I spot value.

    I have seen the term "revenge factor" around here and I have yet to see anyone explain to me how a desire to get revenge can give a team an advantage in a baseball game which is comprised of so many intricate factors that are not influenced by emotion and feeling.

    I do not calculate for day/night games. In my opinion (and I have to believe this is backed mathematically) if an aspect of a game is good or bad at 3 am it will be good or bad at 6 pm. I suppose you could impute a million different factors besides the bread and butter but that would take up all the time I have every day and I try to have some life outside of betting. More importantly, what I do results in very profitable results so I have no reason to change what I do.
     
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    its all about the bottom line
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Gwarner - in simple terms - if you bet 1 unit on everything, the farther you get away from 100 (odds) the more important the game.
     
    Lets take an extreme example to prove a point:
     
    You are going to bet 2 games, one with +110 odds, and one with +1800 odds (yes +1800).
     
    If you bet 100 on each, game A is 100 to win 110, and game B is 100 to win 1800.
     
    How can anyone say those 2 games have equal importance and therefore you are flat betting?  Clearly, winning game B is more important than winning game A.
     
    So if you bet 1 unit on all of your bets regardless of odds, the more you move away from 100 the more important the game.

    Cant say it any simpler than that.
     


    so, in even simpler terms, using this method makes all games have = importance? or as close to that as is humanly possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Gwarner - in simple terms - if you bet 1 unit on everything, the farther you get away from 100 (odds) the more important the game.
     
    Lets take an extreme example to prove a point:
     
    You are going to bet 2 games, one with +110 odds, and one with +1800 odds (yes +1800).
     
    If you bet 100 on each, game A is 100 to win 110, and game B is 100 to win 1800.
     
    How can anyone say those 2 games have equal importance and therefore you are flat betting?  Clearly, winning game B is more important than winning game A.
     
    So if you bet 1 unit on all of your bets regardless of odds, the more you move away from 100 the more important the game.

    Cant say it any simpler than that.
     


    so, in even simpler terms, using this method makes all games have = importance? or as close to that as is humanly possible?
     
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    Personally, I bet baseball based on 1 unit plays and 1.5 unit plays, never higher and never lower.
     
    I think the quote you wrote above is what you take out of this thread in that if you bet everyday in baseball there should never be one game that is more important than the next. baseball is grinding and you do not pick winners you pick value and hope for the best knowing in baseball that even the best and worst win and lose 60 games minimum and its the other 40 that determine everthing. the problem with flat betting is that your taking value off your dogs to much by laying crazy juice and in the end its those   -160 that will kill long haul.your goal in baseball is 50 percent thats all you need to grind knowing that by taking dogs everyday you will be up a shitload bye end of year. also when you hit your limit cash out immediately this is most undervalued advice i hear. really good thread and interesting but most sharps ONLY bet dogs in baseball which is why you see lines not moving up when 70 percent on fav or line going down when majority on fav, this should be most important thing to look at when capping a baseball game knowing where the sharps are. example tampa bay lines not moving yet most on yanks, this should tell you to take tampa as an example. also bye the way obama is black and we will not see a woman or black man as president in our lives, americas to ignorant and middle america decides the president and they are mostly white middle class,they arent voting for either canidate and how bout the south, how many votes you getting there on democrats side. good stuff vanzack.
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    Personally, I bet baseball based on 1 unit plays and 1.5 unit plays, never higher and never lower.
     
    I think the quote you wrote above is what you take out of this thread in that if you bet everyday in baseball there should never be one game that is more important than the next. baseball is grinding and you do not pick winners you pick value and hope for the best knowing in baseball that even the best and worst win and lose 60 games minimum and its the other 40 that determine everthing. the problem with flat betting is that your taking value off your dogs to much by laying crazy juice and in the end its those   -160 that will kill long haul.your goal in baseball is 50 percent thats all you need to grind knowing that by taking dogs everyday you will be up a shitload bye end of year. also when you hit your limit cash out immediately this is most undervalued advice i hear. really good thread and interesting but most sharps ONLY bet dogs in baseball which is why you see lines not moving up when 70 percent on fav or line going down when majority on fav, this should be most important thing to look at when capping a baseball game knowing where the sharps are. example tampa bay lines not moving yet most on yanks, this should tell you to take tampa as an example. also bye the way obama is black and we will not see a woman or black man as president in our lives, americas to ignorant and middle america decides the president and they are mostly white middle class,they arent voting for either canidate and how bout the south, how many votes you getting there on democrats side. good stuff vanzack.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GWarner27:



    so, in even simpler terms, using this method makes all games have = importance? or as close to that as is humanly possible?

    Yes exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWarner27:



    so, in even simpler terms, using this method makes all games have = importance? or as close to that as is humanly possible?

    Yes exactly.

     
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    really good thread and interesting but most sharps ONLY bet dogs in baseball

    Flat-out wrong. Squares who think they are sharps only bet dogs in baseball.
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    really good thread and interesting but most sharps ONLY bet dogs in baseball

    Flat-out wrong. Squares who think they are sharps only bet dogs in baseball.
     
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    also bye the way obama is black and we will not see a woman or black man as president in our lives,

    No politics in the baseball forum please but since you started it, let me tell you that McBush will not be our next President.
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    also bye the way obama is black and we will not see a woman or black man as president in our lives,

    No politics in the baseball forum please but since you started it, let me tell you that McBush will not be our next President.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lanastasis:

    really good thread and interesting but most sharps ONLY bet dogs in baseball

    Flat-out wrong. Squares who think they are sharps only bet dogs in baseball.

    Bingo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanastasis:

    really good thread and interesting but most sharps ONLY bet dogs in baseball

    Flat-out wrong. Squares who think they are sharps only bet dogs in baseball.

    Bingo.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GWarner27:

    gotcha. that's what i've done before reading this thread. I did grab the excel formula, which is saved in a spreadsheet that i'm planning to use for every bet i make in the future, i'm just not certain on what benefits this does for me.

    I'm sure that winning 66% will make it not matter in any situation, but what exactly does this change do for me? Does it make my losses less costly on dogs because the bigger dogs that win less, i wouldn't be losing as much on, while my losses on favorites wouldn't be as bad because i just wouldn't be trying to win a normal unit? I understand that trying to win a certain amount makes dog games far less important because in a +200 situation you could only be laying $0.50 (in my example) to win that $1, while for a -200 favorite, you'd have to lay $2 to win that same $1, thus if you split, you're really losing $1 (or 1 unit) on the day.

    So, until I'm corrected, I see this strategy helping make my losses not sting as much in the long run. Correct?

     

    This is a tough question to answer, because there are so many possible scenarios, but I'll try to give you an idea of what I understand.  Let's say a bettor is putting $10 on every game for an entire season.  Let's also assume that the odds of the games bet on are either +200 or -200, so either a fairly heavy favorite or fairly heavy underdog.  In a 100 game season, let's also assume you bet evenly on dogs and favorites.  Now, let's say you go 40-10 on favorites, for a profit of $100 (40 wins of 5$ and 10 losses of 10$).  For the underdogs, you go 10-40, for a loss of $200.  You are down $100 on the season.

    Now, realize that at -200 odds, you are supposed to win two times for every time you lose, and at +200 odds, you are supposed to win once for every two losses.  Therefore, this split (if there is no skill/luck involved) would result in about a 33-17 record on favorites and a 17-33 record on dogs, and the bettor would end up breaking even on the season.  However, in the scenario I presented, the bettor was able to win 7 more games on favorites than he statistically should have, but he lost 7 more games on underdogs.  Even though his luck pretty much evened out, he is down $100 on the season, because he valued dogs more, and he did not have a good season betting dogs. 

    In other words, betting 10 a game regardless of the odds washes out your record for favorites, and makes your dog plays more meaningful to your final bankroll.  To adjust, the bettor should we wagering MORE money per bet on ML favorites and LESS money per bet on ML underdogs so as not to overvalue the dogs.

    "Flat Betting" will value your bets on dogs and favorites equally in the long run.  As opposed to the way most people bet (bet exactly 1 unit on each game), flat betting makes your record betting on favorites more prominent in your bankroll, and betting on dogs less prominent in your bankroll, AS IT SHOULD BE, since underdogs are less likely to hit.

     

    If you are especially good at betting specifically favorites or dogs, then "flat betting" is probably not for you, but for most systems and bettors, "flat betting" is the best way to keep a bankroll that corresponds to your betting record.

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    gotcha. that's what i've done before reading this thread. I did grab the excel formula, which is saved in a spreadsheet that i'm planning to use for every bet i make in the future, i'm just not certain on what benefits this does for me.

    I'm sure that winning 66% will make it not matter in any situation, but what exactly does this change do for me? Does it make my losses less costly on dogs because the bigger dogs that win less, i wouldn't be losing as much on, while my losses on favorites wouldn't be as bad because i just wouldn't be trying to win a normal unit? I understand that trying to win a certain amount makes dog games far less important because in a +200 situation you could only be laying $0.50 (in my example) to win that $1, while for a -200 favorite, you'd have to lay $2 to win that same $1, thus if you split, you're really losing $1 (or 1 unit) on the day.

    So, until I'm corrected, I see this strategy helping make my losses not sting as much in the long run. Correct?

     

    This is a tough question to answer, because there are so many possible scenarios, but I'll try to give you an idea of what I understand.  Let's say a bettor is putting $10 on every game for an entire season.  Let's also assume that the odds of the games bet on are either +200 or -200, so either a fairly heavy favorite or fairly heavy underdog.  In a 100 game season, let's also assume you bet evenly on dogs and favorites.  Now, let's say you go 40-10 on favorites, for a profit of $100 (40 wins of 5$ and 10 losses of 10$).  For the underdogs, you go 10-40, for a loss of $200.  You are down $100 on the season.

    Now, realize that at -200 odds, you are supposed to win two times for every time you lose, and at +200 odds, you are supposed to win once for every two losses.  Therefore, this split (if there is no skill/luck involved) would result in about a 33-17 record on favorites and a 17-33 record on dogs, and the bettor would end up breaking even on the season.  However, in the scenario I presented, the bettor was able to win 7 more games on favorites than he statistically should have, but he lost 7 more games on underdogs.  Even though his luck pretty much evened out, he is down $100 on the season, because he valued dogs more, and he did not have a good season betting dogs. 

    In other words, betting 10 a game regardless of the odds washes out your record for favorites, and makes your dog plays more meaningful to your final bankroll.  To adjust, the bettor should we wagering MORE money per bet on ML favorites and LESS money per bet on ML underdogs so as not to overvalue the dogs.

    "Flat Betting" will value your bets on dogs and favorites equally in the long run.  As opposed to the way most people bet (bet exactly 1 unit on each game), flat betting makes your record betting on favorites more prominent in your bankroll, and betting on dogs less prominent in your bankroll, AS IT SHOULD BE, since underdogs are less likely to hit.

     

    If you are especially good at betting specifically favorites or dogs, then "flat betting" is probably not for you, but for most systems and bettors, "flat betting" is the best way to keep a bankroll that corresponds to your betting record.

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