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    A Lion Still Has Claws: Spurs vs. Thunder, Game 6:

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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 11:03 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:


    Figures you would resort to personal attacks on my picture, rather than discuss anything.  I made my point(s) in the other thread.  



    LMAO, so that IS you in the pic! LOL I thought so....Thanks for the laughs...

    Just make sure when you're rollin around with those dudes on the ground, that you don't get your small little thingies tangled up. And when the dude goes to rip your mask off, make sure it's glued really tight to your face, so to make sure he can't succeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:


    Figures you would resort to personal attacks on my picture, rather than discuss anything.  I made my point(s) in the other thread.  



    LMAO, so that IS you in the pic! LOL I thought so....Thanks for the laughs...

    Just make sure when you're rollin around with those dudes on the ground, that you don't get your small little thingies tangled up. And when the dude goes to rip your mask off, make sure it's glued really tight to your face, so to make sure he can't succeed.

    Bol
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 11:48 AM ET #27

    @Begginerboy thoughts on tonight's total 207 o/u
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 11:54 AM ET #28

    The total will depend on several different factors. OT should factor into this one. 
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 12:03 PM ET #29

    Thx mgmprofits
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 1:51 PM ET #30

    Not sure about the total for both teams but I don't think the Spurs crack 100. I'm very surprised by all the good cappers going with the Spurs here. How could you back a team that has thrown in the towel in 2 consecutive games on the road by the 3rd quarter? How could you back a team that is wiling to sacrifice games (much like tennis players who will drop a losing set to conserve their energies for the the 5th and final set) in order to win a series? The Spurs don't need this game to win the series or even the title. Not to mention, if they go all out and lose this game they seriously hurt their chances in a game 7. To me, the only play here is OKC or no play, period.
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    Not sure about the total for both teams but I don't think the Spurs crack 100. I'm very surprised by all the good cappers going with the Spurs here. How could you back a team that has thrown in the towel in 2 consecutive games on the road by the 3rd quarter? How could you back a team that is wiling to sacrifice games (much like tennis players who will drop a losing set to conserve their energies for the the 5th and final set) in order to win a series? The Spurs don't need this game to win the series or even the title. Not to mention, if they go all out and lose this game they seriously hurt their chances in a game 7. To me, the only play here is OKC or no play, period.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 2:47 PM ET #31

    what do you mean low iq for okc? the coach?
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 2:56 PM ET #32

    Westbrook, the coach, a couple of others
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 3:09 PM ET #33

    I agree, spurs rest there ageing players yet again to fight strong game 7. WIN WIN for everyone, spurs, okc, nba.......... They not only did it this series but also did it vs mavs too. Pop knows his chances are better at home game#7 with a well rested team. Sounds stupid but thats what hes been doing!
    Okc ml to be sure of cover and under!!
    goodluck$
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    I agree, spurs rest there ageing players yet again to fight strong game 7. WIN WIN for everyone, spurs, okc, nba.......... They not only did it this series but also did it vs mavs too. Pop knows his chances are better at home game#7 with a well rested team. Sounds stupid but thats what hes been doing!
    Okc ml to be sure of cover and under!!
    goodluck$
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 3:13 PM ET #34

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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 3:14 PM ET #35

    Best white up year to date on any game or series


    Great stuff brother
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    Great stuff brother
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 3:32 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Im betting twice what i bet on game 5, but these are choices you have to make. As far as getting rest for the Spurs, I dont think anyone cares. Spurs are a deep, deep team and they match up much better against Miami than OKC.

    Guys, the board's best write-up for the game is right here obviously.

    BB,
    I'm very surprised you would bet 2X more than Game 5. GOY or not, it means you are twice as confident in this bet than the Spurs in Game 5.

    Which means you are 2X confident in:

    Game 6 with:
    Brooks (who you have rightfully derided all year) and his big guns and yes they are BIG (Yes with the refs who will be on your side here too which for me, is the driving force here). But OKC has not offered a counter to the Spurs increasing Diaw's minutes and reducing Splitter's minutes (Spurs were +20 in games 3 and 4 with Bonner and -26 with Splitter which prompted the change) as the Spurs went small and they crushed them in the crucial fifth game.

    Vs. 

    Game 5 with:

    You had Pop (and you even broke out a reference to his military credentials!) and the kitchen sink in a win or die Game 5 and home court (and the refs too) and the most finely tuned team in the NBA who are on a mission (and that mission is now affirmed: a rematch with the team that beat them), and a team and coach who would do anything and everything to avoid a repeat of 2012.

    So what is missing is the history of 2012 and the mission for OKC but you will definitely have the refs and the do or die for OKC. 

    The problem is the Spurs are the ONE team in the NBA who can overcome the ref favoritism (as they simply won't be able to whistle Duncan or Manu or Tony for 5 fouls early because none of those big three are as active on defense as LBJ) and then you have West who can turn into a bonehead at any minute while say down 4 with 3:30 left and he heaves an unwarranted 3 and bonner hits a three to push it out of reach to 7. 


    I will be supporting you here but I do not think this game gets a GOY reference or even a comparison and certainly doesn't warrant a 2X bet over everything you wrote in Game 5. For me it's a flat bet and nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Im betting twice what i bet on game 5, but these are choices you have to make. As far as getting rest for the Spurs, I dont think anyone cares. Spurs are a deep, deep team and they match up much better against Miami than OKC.

    Guys, the board's best write-up for the game is right here obviously.

    BB,
    I'm very surprised you would bet 2X more than Game 5. GOY or not, it means you are twice as confident in this bet than the Spurs in Game 5.

    Which means you are 2X confident in:

    Game 6 with:
    Brooks (who you have rightfully derided all year) and his big guns and yes they are BIG (Yes with the refs who will be on your side here too which for me, is the driving force here). But OKC has not offered a counter to the Spurs increasing Diaw's minutes and reducing Splitter's minutes (Spurs were +20 in games 3 and 4 with Bonner and -26 with Splitter which prompted the change) as the Spurs went small and they crushed them in the crucial fifth game.

    Vs. 

    Game 5 with:

    You had Pop (and you even broke out a reference to his military credentials!) and the kitchen sink in a win or die Game 5 and home court (and the refs too) and the most finely tuned team in the NBA who are on a mission (and that mission is now affirmed: a rematch with the team that beat them), and a team and coach who would do anything and everything to avoid a repeat of 2012.

    So what is missing is the history of 2012 and the mission for OKC but you will definitely have the refs and the do or die for OKC. 

    The problem is the Spurs are the ONE team in the NBA who can overcome the ref favoritism (as they simply won't be able to whistle Duncan or Manu or Tony for 5 fouls early because none of those big three are as active on defense as LBJ) and then you have West who can turn into a bonehead at any minute while say down 4 with 3:30 left and he heaves an unwarranted 3 and bonner hits a three to push it out of reach to 7. 


    I will be supporting you here but I do not think this game gets a GOY reference or even a comparison and certainly doesn't warrant a 2X bet over everything you wrote in Game 5. For me it's a flat bet and nothing more.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 3:52 PM ET #37

    Another worry:

    Fast break points. This is what propelled OKC to a big game 4 win.

    What were the fast break point totals in game 5?

    SA: 14 
    OKC: 4 (their lowest of the series)

    Compare this with Game 4:

    SA : 0 (obviously their lowest of the series)
    OKC: 21 (their highest)

    Why did this change happen?

    The Bonner/Diaw for Splitter change 

    When Splitter was on the floor, he was deep in the paint with Duncan.

    After a missed shot by SA, Reggie/West/KD would push the ball hard for a 3 on the 3 which the Spurs are overmatched (because Tim and Taigo couldn't get back) or worse, a 3 on 2 of the shooter's momentum carried him forward/he went for the offensive board and again Tiago and Tim can't get back.

    But Bonner and Diaw are at the top of the key and there will be no 3 on 2 and Diaw is good enough to slow down West or Reggie and then Tim or Tiago can recover.

    Therefore the Spurs had floor balance and it resulted in the lowest number of FB pts in the series for OKC.

    Can Brooks effectively counter this? We know he can't. Not in 2 days and maybe never given he isn't Pop.

    So we are left to the do or die OKC mentality and the refs. Because the floor dynamic has changed dramatically as Tiago once again will be relegated to the bench. Refs need to come up big for OKC (and they will favor them), as to west and KD, very big because of this.
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    Another worry:

    Fast break points. This is what propelled OKC to a big game 4 win.

    What were the fast break point totals in game 5?

    SA: 14 
    OKC: 4 (their lowest of the series)

    Compare this with Game 4:

    SA : 0 (obviously their lowest of the series)
    OKC: 21 (their highest)

    Why did this change happen?

    The Bonner/Diaw for Splitter change 

    When Splitter was on the floor, he was deep in the paint with Duncan.

    After a missed shot by SA, Reggie/West/KD would push the ball hard for a 3 on the 3 which the Spurs are overmatched (because Tim and Taigo couldn't get back) or worse, a 3 on 2 of the shooter's momentum carried him forward/he went for the offensive board and again Tiago and Tim can't get back.

    But Bonner and Diaw are at the top of the key and there will be no 3 on 2 and Diaw is good enough to slow down West or Reggie and then Tim or Tiago can recover.

    Therefore the Spurs had floor balance and it resulted in the lowest number of FB pts in the series for OKC.

    Can Brooks effectively counter this? We know he can't. Not in 2 days and maybe never given he isn't Pop.

    So we are left to the do or die OKC mentality and the refs. Because the floor dynamic has changed dramatically as Tiago once again will be relegated to the bench. Refs need to come up big for OKC (and they will favor them), as to west and KD, very big because of this.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 4:26 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Another worry:

    Fast break points. This is what propelled OKC to a big game 4 win.

    What were the fast break point totals in game 5?

    SA: 14 
    OKC: 4 (their lowest of the series)

    Compare this with Game 4:

    SA : 0 (obviously their lowest of the series)
    OKC: 21 (their highest)

    Why did this change happen?

    The Bonner/Diaw for Splitter change 

    When Splitter was on the floor, he was deep in the paint with Duncan.

    After a missed shot by SA, Reggie/West/KD would push the ball hard for a 3 on the 3 which the Spurs are overmatched (because Tim and Taigo couldn't get back) or worse, a 3 on 2 of the shooter's momentum carried him forward/he went for the offensive board and again Tiago and Tim can't get back.

    But Bonner and Diaw are at the top of the key and there will be no 3 on 2 and Diaw is good enough to slow down West or Reggie and then Tim or Tiago can recover.

    Therefore the Spurs had floor balance and it resulted in the lowest number of FB pts in the series for OKC.

    Can Brooks effectively counter this? We know he can't. Not in 2 days and maybe never given he isn't Pop.

    So we are left to the do or die OKC mentality and the refs. Because the floor dynamic has changed dramatically as Tiago once again will be relegated to the bench. Refs need to come up big for OKC (and they will favor them), as to west and KD, very big because of this.

    Scal, you've made some really great points and I can't counter all of them but here are a few I take issue with. But before I do, let me say, as you noted my writeup is missing the Thunder side of the story, their aspirations for a title, their defeat at the hands of the Heat and their desire for revenge and redemption. I left all that out because, as you know, I don't like this Thunder team and the Spurs, to me, are much more interesting from a basketball standpoint (how they've managed to create a team that is so different than what the NBA usually offers) and human interest. The Thunder, to me, are not true contenders, though in their minds they are (and that is all that matters tonight). They also watched that Miami celebration and I'm sure that will play a part in how they come out tonight. 

    Having said all that, we must face the facts. If not for Ibaka's absence in the first two games, OKC would probably be ahead in this series. Pop is a great coach (and he probably pull a game, or maybe two, out of his hat) but he can't make his team better than the Thunder. This is not saying that the Thunder are a better basketball team, only that they are better than the Spurs because of all the problems they pose. Those problems did not simply disappear for good in game 5 (with Pop's adjustments). They simply confused the Thunder long enough to gain a decisive advantage in that game. The Thunder are still the Thunder and the Spurs are still the Spurs. This series has a pattern to it (i.e., home team wins by dd) that I don't think will be broken tonight. The Thunder simply lacked the defensive intensity in game 5, it had nothing to do with their offense. They will feed off that crowd tonight and play much better D. And why didn't the Thunder have the intensity in game 5? As I noted in a post in my previous writeup, it takes a lot of energy to climb out of a 2-0 hole. It's like a team, coming back from 25 down to cut it to 5 only to have the other team push it back to dd. Now it is the Thunder's turn to make one last foray, or the season is lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Another worry:

    Fast break points. This is what propelled OKC to a big game 4 win.

    What were the fast break point totals in game 5?

    SA: 14 
    OKC: 4 (their lowest of the series)

    Compare this with Game 4:

    SA : 0 (obviously their lowest of the series)
    OKC: 21 (their highest)

    Why did this change happen?

    The Bonner/Diaw for Splitter change 

    When Splitter was on the floor, he was deep in the paint with Duncan.

    After a missed shot by SA, Reggie/West/KD would push the ball hard for a 3 on the 3 which the Spurs are overmatched (because Tim and Taigo couldn't get back) or worse, a 3 on 2 of the shooter's momentum carried him forward/he went for the offensive board and again Tiago and Tim can't get back.

    But Bonner and Diaw are at the top of the key and there will be no 3 on 2 and Diaw is good enough to slow down West or Reggie and then Tim or Tiago can recover.

    Therefore the Spurs had floor balance and it resulted in the lowest number of FB pts in the series for OKC.

    Can Brooks effectively counter this? We know he can't. Not in 2 days and maybe never given he isn't Pop.

    So we are left to the do or die OKC mentality and the refs. Because the floor dynamic has changed dramatically as Tiago once again will be relegated to the bench. Refs need to come up big for OKC (and they will favor them), as to west and KD, very big because of this.

    Scal, you've made some really great points and I can't counter all of them but here are a few I take issue with. But before I do, let me say, as you noted my writeup is missing the Thunder side of the story, their aspirations for a title, their defeat at the hands of the Heat and their desire for revenge and redemption. I left all that out because, as you know, I don't like this Thunder team and the Spurs, to me, are much more interesting from a basketball standpoint (how they've managed to create a team that is so different than what the NBA usually offers) and human interest. The Thunder, to me, are not true contenders, though in their minds they are (and that is all that matters tonight). They also watched that Miami celebration and I'm sure that will play a part in how they come out tonight. 

    Having said all that, we must face the facts. If not for Ibaka's absence in the first two games, OKC would probably be ahead in this series. Pop is a great coach (and he probably pull a game, or maybe two, out of his hat) but he can't make his team better than the Thunder. This is not saying that the Thunder are a better basketball team, only that they are better than the Spurs because of all the problems they pose. Those problems did not simply disappear for good in game 5 (with Pop's adjustments). They simply confused the Thunder long enough to gain a decisive advantage in that game. The Thunder are still the Thunder and the Spurs are still the Spurs. This series has a pattern to it (i.e., home team wins by dd) that I don't think will be broken tonight. The Thunder simply lacked the defensive intensity in game 5, it had nothing to do with their offense. They will feed off that crowd tonight and play much better D. And why didn't the Thunder have the intensity in game 5? As I noted in a post in my previous writeup, it takes a lot of energy to climb out of a 2-0 hole. It's like a team, coming back from 25 down to cut it to 5 only to have the other team push it back to dd. Now it is the Thunder's turn to make one last foray, or the season is lost.
     
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    Scal, you've made some really great points and I can't counter all of them but here are a few I take issue with. But before I do, let me say, as you noted my writeup is missing the Thunder side of the story, their aspirations for a title, their defeat at the hands of the Heat and their desire for revenge and redemption. I left all that out because, as you know, I don't like this Thunder team and the Spurs, to me, are much more interesting from a basketball standpoint (how they've managed to create a team that is so different than what the NBA usually offers) and human interest. The Thunder, to me, are not true contenders, though in their minds they are (and that is all that matters tonight). They also watched that Miami celebration and I'm sure that will play a part in how they come out tonight. 

    Having said all that, we must face the facts. If not for Ibaka's absence in the first two games, OKC would probably be ahead in this series. Pop is a great coach (and he probably pull a game, or maybe two, out of his hat) but he can't make his team better than the Thunder. This is not saying that the Thunder are a better basketball team, only that they are better than the Spurs because of all the problems they pose. Those problems did not simply disappear for good in game 5 (with Pop's adjustments). They simply confused the Thunder long enough to gain a decisive advantage in that game. The Thunder are still the Thunder and the Spurs are still the Spurs. This series has a pattern to it (i.e., home team wins by dd) that I don't think will be broken tonight. The Thunder simply lacked the defensive intensity in game 5, it had nothing to do with their offense. They will feed off that crowd tonight and play much better D. And why didn't the Thunder have the intensity in game 5? As I noted in a post in my previous writeup, it takes a lot of energy to climb out of a 2-0 hole. It's like a team, coming back from 25 down to cut it to 5 only to have the other team push it back to dd. Now it is the Thunder's turn to make one last foray, or the season is lost.

    It's a fair counterpoint to say they will play better D and the blowout actually favors OKC since they come back with even more in Game 6 to reverse if (a close game in game 5 would fool them into thinking they are better than they are as you noted).

    But I really can't dismiss the first two games. They spoke to the Spurs professionalism. They saw OKC's wound and pounced, tearing it open and putting salt in it.

    Then Ibaka comes back and Spurs can't counter in the first game (expected) and threw in the towel in the second (given 2012 and how they lost in that Game 4).

    So for me, Game 5 was the real 'heads up' game in this series with both teams at full force.

    And man, did the spurs tear them limb from limb. Ibaka and all.

    You can say pop pulled one out of his hat (starting bonner) and he did. But this 3 game series to close it after 2-2 is chess match and who holds the queen on OKC's side. I'd rather have Mark Jackson than Brooks! 

    So that leaves OKC with:

    Home court (important)
    Refs (very important)
    KD 
    Westbrook


    Let's remember what KD has gone through. If they are down 7 in the third, does he let the Mr. Unreliable ghosts rattle him for the next 1.5 quarters?

    And West, well we know what he is capable of when things go sour.

    I just see a lot of moving pieces having to fall into place here for OKC and they all must fall or else the Spurs will try to avoid a Game 7 (as they did against the Heat). We can't say the Spurs will go home and win and la de dah. Game 7 vs. KD and OKC is no joke and will be a barn burner. 

    So i do see the Spurs coming to play tonight.

    Spurs tried to close it out in 6 in Dallas and fell short by 2 giving up a highly in characteristic 37 in the fourth to lose it. Dallas needed an incredible fourth offensively to push that one to 7.

    If the Spurs lead after 3 (and I see them going for it) they are the bets in the biz at holding leads:

    The Spurs were 25-1 on the road when leading after three quarters before this game. They're now 55-2 overall for the season.

    The line is at 4 now and +150 for the Spurs and the public is starting to grab more and more OKC. It's gonna be tough for me not to switch my bet to SA. This of course takes nothing away from your write-up which is superb in establishing a side for OKC.
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    Scal, you've made some really great points and I can't counter all of them but here are a few I take issue with. But before I do, let me say, as you noted my writeup is missing the Thunder side of the story, their aspirations for a title, their defeat at the hands of the Heat and their desire for revenge and redemption. I left all that out because, as you know, I don't like this Thunder team and the Spurs, to me, are much more interesting from a basketball standpoint (how they've managed to create a team that is so different than what the NBA usually offers) and human interest. The Thunder, to me, are not true contenders, though in their minds they are (and that is all that matters tonight). They also watched that Miami celebration and I'm sure that will play a part in how they come out tonight. 

    Having said all that, we must face the facts. If not for Ibaka's absence in the first two games, OKC would probably be ahead in this series. Pop is a great coach (and he probably pull a game, or maybe two, out of his hat) but he can't make his team better than the Thunder. This is not saying that the Thunder are a better basketball team, only that they are better than the Spurs because of all the problems they pose. Those problems did not simply disappear for good in game 5 (with Pop's adjustments). They simply confused the Thunder long enough to gain a decisive advantage in that game. The Thunder are still the Thunder and the Spurs are still the Spurs. This series has a pattern to it (i.e., home team wins by dd) that I don't think will be broken tonight. The Thunder simply lacked the defensive intensity in game 5, it had nothing to do with their offense. They will feed off that crowd tonight and play much better D. And why didn't the Thunder have the intensity in game 5? As I noted in a post in my previous writeup, it takes a lot of energy to climb out of a 2-0 hole. It's like a team, coming back from 25 down to cut it to 5 only to have the other team push it back to dd. Now it is the Thunder's turn to make one last foray, or the season is lost.

    It's a fair counterpoint to say they will play better D and the blowout actually favors OKC since they come back with even more in Game 6 to reverse if (a close game in game 5 would fool them into thinking they are better than they are as you noted).

    But I really can't dismiss the first two games. They spoke to the Spurs professionalism. They saw OKC's wound and pounced, tearing it open and putting salt in it.

    Then Ibaka comes back and Spurs can't counter in the first game (expected) and threw in the towel in the second (given 2012 and how they lost in that Game 4).

    So for me, Game 5 was the real 'heads up' game in this series with both teams at full force.

    And man, did the spurs tear them limb from limb. Ibaka and all.

    You can say pop pulled one out of his hat (starting bonner) and he did. But this 3 game series to close it after 2-2 is chess match and who holds the queen on OKC's side. I'd rather have Mark Jackson than Brooks! 

    So that leaves OKC with:

    Home court (important)
    Refs (very important)
    KD 
    Westbrook


    Let's remember what KD has gone through. If they are down 7 in the third, does he let the Mr. Unreliable ghosts rattle him for the next 1.5 quarters?

    And West, well we know what he is capable of when things go sour.

    I just see a lot of moving pieces having to fall into place here for OKC and they all must fall or else the Spurs will try to avoid a Game 7 (as they did against the Heat). We can't say the Spurs will go home and win and la de dah. Game 7 vs. KD and OKC is no joke and will be a barn burner. 

    So i do see the Spurs coming to play tonight.

    Spurs tried to close it out in 6 in Dallas and fell short by 2 giving up a highly in characteristic 37 in the fourth to lose it. Dallas needed an incredible fourth offensively to push that one to 7.

    If the Spurs lead after 3 (and I see them going for it) they are the bets in the biz at holding leads:

    The Spurs were 25-1 on the road when leading after three quarters before this game. They're now 55-2 overall for the season.

    The line is at 4 now and +150 for the Spurs and the public is starting to grab more and more OKC. It's gonna be tough for me not to switch my bet to SA. This of course takes nothing away from your write-up which is superb in establishing a side for OKC.
     
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    Dallas was an older team, like the spurs, so they could go all out in game 6, but against the younger Thunder? And if they lose?
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    I really don't see avg. age going into the formula as to why Pop and crew will try to take it tonight, and I don't see him considering it (or even knowing it) when he went for game 6 in Dallas. It is obvious OKC has a ton of energy, avg age or otherwise. 

    And even if they don't win, the line is now on the 4 point threshold opening the door for a middle for the books (majority of thunder backers laying the points given the blowouts in this series therefore expecting a blowout win, and the spurs backers taking the ML thinking they close out the series) so the Spurs do not have to win when all and said and done obviously.

    To me, suddenly +4 points becomes quite relevant from a book perspective, and that is a perspective we all take note of.


    And the Spurs still have home court in a game 7 which is of the ultimate significance and what they fought for all year.

    We know the Spurs go for the Game 6's (Dallas Miami) and it is in a spot where we (and it is not irrational to think this) should yhink they wouldn't go for it.
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    I really don't see avg. age going into the formula as to why Pop and crew will try to take it tonight, and I don't see him considering it (or even knowing it) when he went for game 6 in Dallas. It is obvious OKC has a ton of energy, avg age or otherwise. 

    And even if they don't win, the line is now on the 4 point threshold opening the door for a middle for the books (majority of thunder backers laying the points given the blowouts in this series therefore expecting a blowout win, and the spurs backers taking the ML thinking they close out the series) so the Spurs do not have to win when all and said and done obviously.

    To me, suddenly +4 points becomes quite relevant from a book perspective, and that is a perspective we all take note of.


    And the Spurs still have home court in a game 7 which is of the ultimate significance and what they fought for all year.

    We know the Spurs go for the Game 6's (Dallas Miami) and it is in a spot where we (and it is not irrational to think this) should yhink they wouldn't go for it.
     
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    scalabrine, i believe another factor that you may not be putting a lot of stock in is the expectation that the thunder bench will be a whole lot more energised,confident and productive in front of their home crowd.this is sort of a sub-set of the home-court edge that you listed as your pro's in favour of beginnerboys play,but i see it as being critical enuff to stand on its own outside of the usual effect of the rabid fans getting on the refs,super-charging the adrenaline of the players,and generally creating a comfortable,familiar vibe and surrounding for their beloved team.

    its basic,common basketball 101 knowledge that in playoffs stars have to carry you on the road,whilst in home games reserves can often play a much more meaningful role the the feeling of comfort they gain from being cheered on,sleeping in their own beds etc..
      commentators were at pains to point out how woefully thin the bench was after reggie's insertion into starting lineup left them short.this proved critical in the end as that scoring void cud never be bridged(tho of course it was NOT the deciding factor,spurs were always gonna win that game im more than willing to concede).now all of a sudden with a simple change of location guys like collins,adams,lamb and butler can come on and not allow much of a let-up and feel like they are capable of playing like all-stars(if only for a few minutes here and there)with the support they feel.....against no other team is this more important as we all know the spurs throw out the best bench in the bizness consistently.

    in the end i side with beginnerboy,i totally understand the class and quality of that spurs squad(and believe me,im rooting HARD for them 2 win the series),and see them going for the close-out here up to a point......but thunder desperation,passion and physical manifestation of pure will shud carry them through here.we saw wat it did for them in backs-2-the-wall situations earlier in the series.and those WERENT even elimination games.now they can see their playoff lives flashing before their eyes and obviously must empty the tank(as opposed to the spurs with the luxury of that xtra game).

     also,dont underestimate the drive of the thunder "mission" mentality to get another chance at a title.no they dont have the pain fresh in their minds that the spurs have from last season BUT im sure many of them remember the sting and anguish delivered by the hand of lebron in an eventual beat-down of a series and will of course be keen for redemption in a title series after having a season essentially stolen from them at the tail end of 2013...and they are led by who i believe to be the most competitive animal in the league currently(tho it doesnt always translate in the best way on court in terms of intelligence and decision making),russell westbrook
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    scalabrine, i believe another factor that you may not be putting a lot of stock in is the expectation that the thunder bench will be a whole lot more energised,confident and productive in front of their home crowd.this is sort of a sub-set of the home-court edge that you listed as your pro's in favour of beginnerboys play,but i see it as being critical enuff to stand on its own outside of the usual effect of the rabid fans getting on the refs,super-charging the adrenaline of the players,and generally creating a comfortable,familiar vibe and surrounding for their beloved team.

    its basic,common basketball 101 knowledge that in playoffs stars have to carry you on the road,whilst in home games reserves can often play a much more meaningful role the the feeling of comfort they gain from being cheered on,sleeping in their own beds etc..
      commentators were at pains to point out how woefully thin the bench was after reggie's insertion into starting lineup left them short.this proved critical in the end as that scoring void cud never be bridged(tho of course it was NOT the deciding factor,spurs were always gonna win that game im more than willing to concede).now all of a sudden with a simple change of location guys like collins,adams,lamb and butler can come on and not allow much of a let-up and feel like they are capable of playing like all-stars(if only for a few minutes here and there)with the support they feel.....against no other team is this more important as we all know the spurs throw out the best bench in the bizness consistently.

    in the end i side with beginnerboy,i totally understand the class and quality of that spurs squad(and believe me,im rooting HARD for them 2 win the series),and see them going for the close-out here up to a point......but thunder desperation,passion and physical manifestation of pure will shud carry them through here.we saw wat it did for them in backs-2-the-wall situations earlier in the series.and those WERENT even elimination games.now they can see their playoff lives flashing before their eyes and obviously must empty the tank(as opposed to the spurs with the luxury of that xtra game).

     also,dont underestimate the drive of the thunder "mission" mentality to get another chance at a title.no they dont have the pain fresh in their minds that the spurs have from last season BUT im sure many of them remember the sting and anguish delivered by the hand of lebron in an eventual beat-down of a series and will of course be keen for redemption in a title series after having a season essentially stolen from them at the tail end of 2013...and they are led by who i believe to be the most competitive animal in the league currently(tho it doesnt always translate in the best way on court in terms of intelligence and decision making),russell westbrook
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Im betting twice what i bet on game 5, but these are choices you have to make. As far as getting rest for the Spurs, I dont think anyone cares. Spurs are a deep, deep team and they match up much better against Miami than OKC.

    beginnerboy, I dont post much but follow your threads closely, all your insight is greatly appreciated. I just had a very quick question - my guts tells me you have put all your bankroll on OKC - is that correct?

    Just testing out to see if I know you enough - please dont take this the wrong way

    If I had the kind of bankroll you did, I did put it all on OKC as welll
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    Im betting twice what i bet on game 5, but these are choices you have to make. As far as getting rest for the Spurs, I dont think anyone cares. Spurs are a deep, deep team and they match up much better against Miami than OKC.

    beginnerboy, I dont post much but follow your threads closely, all your insight is greatly appreciated. I just had a very quick question - my guts tells me you have put all your bankroll on OKC - is that correct?

    Just testing out to see if I know you enough - please dont take this the wrong way

    If I had the kind of bankroll you did, I did put it all on OKC as welll
     
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    Nicely put, Melo! You gotta do your own writeups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:

    scalabrine, i believe another factor that you may not be putting a lot of stock in is the expectation that the thunder bench will be a whole lot more energised,confident and productive in front of their home crowd.this is sort of a sub-set of the home-court edge that you listed as your pro's in favour of beginnerboys play,but i see it as being critical enuff to stand on its own outside of the usual effect of the rabid fans getting on the refs,super-charging the adrenaline of the players,and generally creating a comfortable,familiar vibe and surrounding for their beloved team.

    its basic,common basketball 101 knowledge that in playoffs stars have to carry you on the road,whilst in home games reserves can often play a much more meaningful role the the feeling of comfort they gain from being cheered on,sleeping in their own beds etc..
      commentators were at pains to point out how woefully thin the bench was after reggie's insertion into starting lineup left them short.this proved critical in the end as that scoring void cud never be bridged(tho of course it was NOT the deciding factor,spurs were always gonna win that game im more than willing to concede).now all of a sudden with a simple change of location guys like collins,adams,lamb and butler can come on and not allow much of a let-up and feel like they are capable of playing like all-stars(if only for a few minutes here and there)with the support they feel.....against no other team is this more important as we all know the spurs throw out the best bench in the bizness consistently.

    in the end i side with beginnerboy,i totally understand the class and quality of that spurs squad(and believe me,im rooting HARD for them 2 win the series),and see them going for the close-out here up to a point......but thunder desperation,passion and physical manifestation of pure will shud carry them through here.we saw wat it did for them in backs-2-the-wall situations earlier in the series.and those WERENT even elimination games.now they can see their playoff lives flashing before their eyes and obviously must empty the tank(as opposed to the spurs with the luxury of that xtra game).

     also,dont underestimate the drive of the thunder "mission" mentality to get another chance at a title.no they dont have the pain fresh in their minds that the spurs have from last season BUT im sure many of them remember the sting and anguish delivered by the hand of lebron in an eventual beat-down of a series and will of course be keen for redemption in a title series after having a season essentially stolen from them at the tail end of 2013...and they are led by who i believe to be the most competitive animal in the league currently(tho it doesnt always translate in the best way on court in terms of intelligence and decision making),russell westbrook

    Melos, what you are banking on is a step-up of the thunder bench which is in no way guaranteed and you have rightfully acknowledged the Spurs bench is the best there is (that is, they will come to play regardless with nothing to 'hope for' in terms of expected output in that regard).

    Secondly, for the 'mission statement' I don't even think OKC had a chance in hell to win the heat series whereas the Spurs were 35 seconds away and yes, that lingers to this very moment especially in light of the heat closing it out in impressive fashion might I add, last night.

    Yes the Heat clinching it matters as the longer this series goes for a much older team, the fresher Miami will be (and if it goes 7, we don't even know if it is the Spurs they will play!). So "the mission" point you made shifts FAR in favor of the Spurs side.

    And this is key, what will Brooks bring in a "full squad - full squad matchup" after he just got trounced. Game 3 was almost a gimmee for OKC with Ibaka's reinsertion but Bonner and Diaw pull him out of the paint because they have to be guarded beyond the FT line and help get back on D mitigating fast break points (whereas Ibaka can stay underneath with Splitter and let him mozy around the perimeter as he'd never hit that shot).

    Pop had a counter to his loss. What will be Brooks' counter? There won't be one. He will rely on his talent (stupendous) and the refs (he'll have them) except he's up against the ONE team that can beat both!

    Nice write up.
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    scalabrine, i believe another factor that you may not be putting a lot of stock in is the expectation that the thunder bench will be a whole lot more energised,confident and productive in front of their home crowd.this is sort of a sub-set of the home-court edge that you listed as your pro's in favour of beginnerboys play,but i see it as being critical enuff to stand on its own outside of the usual effect of the rabid fans getting on the refs,super-charging the adrenaline of the players,and generally creating a comfortable,familiar vibe and surrounding for their beloved team.

    its basic,common basketball 101 knowledge that in playoffs stars have to carry you on the road,whilst in home games reserves can often play a much more meaningful role the the feeling of comfort they gain from being cheered on,sleeping in their own beds etc..
      commentators were at pains to point out how woefully thin the bench was after reggie's insertion into starting lineup left them short.this proved critical in the end as that scoring void cud never be bridged(tho of course it was NOT the deciding factor,spurs were always gonna win that game im more than willing to concede).now all of a sudden with a simple change of location guys like collins,adams,lamb and butler can come on and not allow much of a let-up and feel like they are capable of playing like all-stars(if only for a few minutes here and there)with the support they feel.....against no other team is this more important as we all know the spurs throw out the best bench in the bizness consistently.

    in the end i side with beginnerboy,i totally understand the class and quality of that spurs squad(and believe me,im rooting HARD for them 2 win the series),and see them going for the close-out here up to a point......but thunder desperation,passion and physical manifestation of pure will shud carry them through here.we saw wat it did for them in backs-2-the-wall situations earlier in the series.and those WERENT even elimination games.now they can see their playoff lives flashing before their eyes and obviously must empty the tank(as opposed to the spurs with the luxury of that xtra game).

     also,dont underestimate the drive of the thunder "mission" mentality to get another chance at a title.no they dont have the pain fresh in their minds that the spurs have from last season BUT im sure many of them remember the sting and anguish delivered by the hand of lebron in an eventual beat-down of a series and will of course be keen for redemption in a title series after having a season essentially stolen from them at the tail end of 2013...and they are led by who i believe to be the most competitive animal in the league currently(tho it doesnt always translate in the best way on court in terms of intelligence and decision making),russell westbrook

    Melos, what you are banking on is a step-up of the thunder bench which is in no way guaranteed and you have rightfully acknowledged the Spurs bench is the best there is (that is, they will come to play regardless with nothing to 'hope for' in terms of expected output in that regard).

    Secondly, for the 'mission statement' I don't even think OKC had a chance in hell to win the heat series whereas the Spurs were 35 seconds away and yes, that lingers to this very moment especially in light of the heat closing it out in impressive fashion might I add, last night.

    Yes the Heat clinching it matters as the longer this series goes for a much older team, the fresher Miami will be (and if it goes 7, we don't even know if it is the Spurs they will play!). So "the mission" point you made shifts FAR in favor of the Spurs side.

    And this is key, what will Brooks bring in a "full squad - full squad matchup" after he just got trounced. Game 3 was almost a gimmee for OKC with Ibaka's reinsertion but Bonner and Diaw pull him out of the paint because they have to be guarded beyond the FT line and help get back on D mitigating fast break points (whereas Ibaka can stay underneath with Splitter and let him mozy around the perimeter as he'd never hit that shot).

    Pop had a counter to his loss. What will be Brooks' counter? There won't be one. He will rely on his talent (stupendous) and the refs (he'll have them) except he's up against the ONE team that can beat both!

    Nice write up.
     
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    Roughly 15 percent of my bankroll.
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    Thx Begginerboy! I hope to see you post this football season...
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    I haven't logged in for several months but I felt compelled after reading what is quite possibly the best write-up EVER on Covers. You are right my friend, on all accounts.


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    I haven't logged in for several months but I felt compelled after reading what is quite possibly the best write-up EVER on Covers. You are right my friend, on all accounts.


     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 7:02 PM ET #49

    So you're betting hall of what you normally wager because OKC is half as smart as Spurs? I can see the headline now "OKC uses poor decision making and low IQ level to win game 6"
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    So you're betting hall of what you normally wager because OKC is half as smart as Spurs? I can see the headline now "OKC uses poor decision making and low IQ level to win game 6"
     
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2014 - 7:38 PM ET #50

    I should have change my play when you posted on my thread about game 5 of this series, but i didnt, honestly you got me thinking but i didnt make the right move.

    This time a little hesitant to play okc, but with your write up and choice i will play this big.

    Okc it is beginnerboy. Goodluck.
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    I should have change my play when you posted on my thread about game 5 of this series, but i didnt, honestly you got me thinking but i didnt make the right move.

    This time a little hesitant to play okc, but with your write up and choice i will play this big.

    Okc it is beginnerboy. Goodluck.
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