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    All the LeBron James hate is unbelievable.

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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 10:02 AM ET #126

    i am not disputing that lebron will get more rings or not,,,, he probably will...  the getting ring earlier debate.....  is not a good one, why? because lebron entered the nba right after high school at age 18... jordan spent 2 yrs at north carolina before entering draft..    it took jordan 6 nba seasons   lebron took 9
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    i am not disputing that lebron will get more rings or not,,,, he probably will...  the getting ring earlier debate.....  is not a good one, why? because lebron entered the nba right after high school at age 18... jordan spent 2 yrs at north carolina before entering draft..    it took jordan 6 nba seasons   lebron took 9
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 11:20 AM ET #127

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    i am not disputing that lebron will get more rings or not,,,, he probably will...  the getting ring earlier debate.....  is not a good one, why? because lebron entered the nba right after high school at age 18... jordan spent 2 yrs at north carolina before entering draft..    it took jordan 6 nba seasons   lebron took 9

    but lebron was in 3 already, 2 being on the cavs where he carried. Jordan had pippen and crew for all his chips
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    i am not disputing that lebron will get more rings or not,,,, he probably will...  the getting ring earlier debate.....  is not a good one, why? because lebron entered the nba right after high school at age 18... jordan spent 2 yrs at north carolina before entering draft..    it took jordan 6 nba seasons   lebron took 9

    but lebron was in 3 already, 2 being on the cavs where he carried. Jordan had pippen and crew for all his chips
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 11:20 AM ET #128

    1 ****** being on the cavs... 2 on the heat 
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    1 ****** being on the cavs... 2 on the heat 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 2:00 PM ET #129

    this is his 9th season     he got his ring    jordan in his 7th season got his
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    this is his 9th season     he got his ring    jordan in his 7th season got his
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 4:57 PM ET #130

    Scooby who cares, it doesnt matter. LeBron still got his ring in an earlier age, and that makes him capable of getting more rings than Jordan.
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    Scooby who cares, it doesnt matter. LeBron still got his ring in an earlier age, and that makes him capable of getting more rings than Jordan.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 7:24 PM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by Asomugha:

    Scooby who cares, it doesnt matter. LeBron still got his ring in an earlier age, and that makes him capable of getting more rings than Jordan.

     

    Not necessarily true he will have had more miles on his body, kobe for example is 33 but it seems he is older cuz of miles he has on legs.  and its gona b interesting when lbj loses a step with age and cant just blow by people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asomugha:

    Scooby who cares, it doesnt matter. LeBron still got his ring in an earlier age, and that makes him capable of getting more rings than Jordan.

     

    Not necessarily true he will have had more miles on his body, kobe for example is 33 but it seems he is older cuz of miles he has on legs.  and its gona b interesting when lbj loses a step with age and cant just blow by people

     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 10:45 PM ET #132

    he got his ring at an early age?   good for him... will he win more?  odds are in his favor...  magic won his first in his first year...he won a few ....  his time there was better competition...a foul was a foul no matter who you were...  next year already looking interesting... ray allen to heat?
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    he got his ring at an early age?   good for him... will he win more?  odds are in his favor...  magic won his first in his first year...he won a few ....  his time there was better competition...a foul was a foul no matter who you were...  next year already looking interesting... ray allen to heat?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 28, 2012 - 10:54 AM ET #133

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    I was on the LeBron hater bandwagon the second he stabbed Cleveland in the back on national television. Things just got worse from there.




    I agree with you.  If Lebron wanted to be out of Cleveland, he should said so early so Cavs have the opportunity to trade him or at least grab other players during the free agency.  Lebron was the last player in free agency to 'announce' which team he was going to go.  By the time he departed, there was no one in the league to pick up other than scrubs.  That is why Cavs lost so much games the following year and was able to pick up Kylie Irving. 

    The Decision and The Arrival was one of the most absurd thing I ever seen.  That was his childish fantasy ego going wild.  I thought it was a reality TV show! 

    At least Melo gave Denver some value by doing a trade.  Denver got a lot of players back from Melo which kept the team in contention. 

    But Lebron has grown up a lot.  Last year's lost to Dallas woke up the beast and he knew what he had to do.  He took Miami under his wing, stripped Wade of being the leader of the team and turned MIA into his team.  Yes, that sound negative but IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.  That was the difference between last year's playoff run and this year's playoff run.  GOOD JOB, Lebron.

    Heat will be a dynasty in 4 more years.  I can't see anyone (NOT EVEN OKC at this point) can stop Heat.  OKC have their own problems with signing players.  I highly doubt Ibaka and Harden would accept a small salary to play.  The team needs a 3 point threat and a real PG. 

    I am a Knicks fan and seeing the lineup we got, we are not even close to be in Heat's class.  Melo is fat and slow compared to Lebron.  Amare's a baby and he can't handle Bosh.  WhoTheFu<k can handle Wade?  Iman Shumpert's a great defender but he's out for half of next year.  Bull's a joke of a team and it looks like DRose injury will just mount as time comes.  Plus, the team is all about DRose and that's not the winning formula. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    I was on the LeBron hater bandwagon the second he stabbed Cleveland in the back on national television. Things just got worse from there.




    I agree with you.  If Lebron wanted to be out of Cleveland, he should said so early so Cavs have the opportunity to trade him or at least grab other players during the free agency.  Lebron was the last player in free agency to 'announce' which team he was going to go.  By the time he departed, there was no one in the league to pick up other than scrubs.  That is why Cavs lost so much games the following year and was able to pick up Kylie Irving. 

    The Decision and The Arrival was one of the most absurd thing I ever seen.  That was his childish fantasy ego going wild.  I thought it was a reality TV show! 

    At least Melo gave Denver some value by doing a trade.  Denver got a lot of players back from Melo which kept the team in contention. 

    But Lebron has grown up a lot.  Last year's lost to Dallas woke up the beast and he knew what he had to do.  He took Miami under his wing, stripped Wade of being the leader of the team and turned MIA into his team.  Yes, that sound negative but IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.  That was the difference between last year's playoff run and this year's playoff run.  GOOD JOB, Lebron.

    Heat will be a dynasty in 4 more years.  I can't see anyone (NOT EVEN OKC at this point) can stop Heat.  OKC have their own problems with signing players.  I highly doubt Ibaka and Harden would accept a small salary to play.  The team needs a 3 point threat and a real PG. 

    I am a Knicks fan and seeing the lineup we got, we are not even close to be in Heat's class.  Melo is fat and slow compared to Lebron.  Amare's a baby and he can't handle Bosh.  WhoTheFu<k can handle Wade?  Iman Shumpert's a great defender but he's out for half of next year.  Bull's a joke of a team and it looks like DRose injury will just mount as time comes.  Plus, the team is all about DRose and that's not the winning formula. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 28, 2012 - 11:02 AM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    he got his ring at an early age?   good for him... will he win more?  odds are in his favor...  magic won his first in his first year...he won a few ....  his time there was better competition...a foul was a foul no matter who you were...  next year already looking interesting... ray allen to heat?


    With players like JKidd, SNash, DFisher, RAllen (just to name a few), They would gladly play for lesser money to get a shot at another ring. Only Heat and maybe OKC can attempt to get these players for a bargain for the championship run. 

    To be honest, for the past few years I started not likely the NBA because it's all about uniting and grouping together to form a super team.  Houston did it with Drexler (Although, I really didn't think they needed him but Drexler and Hakeem were buddy buddy so I guess it was meant to be).  Lakers forming Shaq and Kobe with Horry on the background.  Celtics forming the big three.  Heat forming Shaq and Wade and now again with Wade, Lebron and Bosh.  The only teams that I was most impressed with were Spurs and Detroit.  Detroit won one with dedicated blue collar team and Spurs with a great draft pickups and home grown Duncan, Manu and Parker along the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    he got his ring at an early age?   good for him... will he win more?  odds are in his favor...  magic won his first in his first year...he won a few ....  his time there was better competition...a foul was a foul no matter who you were...  next year already looking interesting... ray allen to heat?


    With players like JKidd, SNash, DFisher, RAllen (just to name a few), They would gladly play for lesser money to get a shot at another ring. Only Heat and maybe OKC can attempt to get these players for a bargain for the championship run. 

    To be honest, for the past few years I started not likely the NBA because it's all about uniting and grouping together to form a super team.  Houston did it with Drexler (Although, I really didn't think they needed him but Drexler and Hakeem were buddy buddy so I guess it was meant to be).  Lakers forming Shaq and Kobe with Horry on the background.  Celtics forming the big three.  Heat forming Shaq and Wade and now again with Wade, Lebron and Bosh.  The only teams that I was most impressed with were Spurs and Detroit.  Detroit won one with dedicated blue collar team and Spurs with a great draft pickups and home grown Duncan, Manu and Parker along the way.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2013 - 7:17 PM ET #135

    LeBron
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2013 - 8:16 PM ET #136

    NUMBERS NEVA. LIE

    1).   Both mj and lebron won their 2nd rings in their 8th playoff appearance

    And when LBJ did  it he was 28 years old....one year younger than MJ

    2).   LBJ is not just younger than MJ at the time of their second rings........he is also more ACCOMPLISHED.....at the time of LBJ second ring....his teams have won 19 playoff series......and MJ teams had won only 13 playoff series

    3).  At the time of LBJ 2nd ship his teams had a playoff winning percentage of .638 and MJ team had a playoff winning percentage of .587

    4).   Also at the time of LBJ second ship, he has won four MVP awards......that is one more than MJ who had three MVP awards at the time MJ got his second title

    5). AND finally LBJ is a nine time all star at the time of his second ship
    That is one more than MJ who was an 8 time all star at he time of HS second ship.

    I know it is hard to believe but lbj is on his way to having a special career that will rival MJ.....

    and the NUMBERS NEVA. LIE
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    NUMBERS NEVA. LIE

    1).   Both mj and lebron won their 2nd rings in their 8th playoff appearance

    And when LBJ did  it he was 28 years old....one year younger than MJ

    2).   LBJ is not just younger than MJ at the time of their second rings........he is also more ACCOMPLISHED.....at the time of LBJ second ring....his teams have won 19 playoff series......and MJ teams had won only 13 playoff series

    3).  At the time of LBJ 2nd ship his teams had a playoff winning percentage of .638 and MJ team had a playoff winning percentage of .587

    4).   Also at the time of LBJ second ship, he has won four MVP awards......that is one more than MJ who had three MVP awards at the time MJ got his second title

    5). AND finally LBJ is a nine time all star at the time of his second ship
    That is one more than MJ who was an 8 time all star at he time of HS second ship.

    I know it is hard to believe but lbj is on his way to having a special career that will rival MJ.....

    and the NUMBERS NEVA. LIE
     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2013 - 9:37 PM ET #137

    Quote Originally Posted by ct1016:

    NUMBERS NEVA. LIE

    1).   Both mj and lebron won their 2nd rings in their 8th playoff appearance

    And when LBJ did  it he was 28 years old....one year younger than MJ

    2).   LBJ is not just younger than MJ at the time of their second rings........he is also more ACCOMPLISHED.....at the time of LBJ second ring....his teams have won 19 playoff series......and MJ teams had won only 13 playoff series

    3).  At the time of LBJ 2nd ship his teams had a playoff winning percentage of .638 and MJ team had a playoff winning percentage of .587

    4).   Also at the time of LBJ second ship, he has won four MVP awards......that is one more than MJ who had three MVP awards at the time MJ got his second title

    5). AND finally LBJ is a nine time all star at the time of his second ship
    That is one more than MJ who was an 8 time all star at he time of HS second ship.

    I know it is hard to believe but lbj is on his way to having a special career that will rival MJ.....

    and the NUMBERS NEVA. LIE


    CT. I gotta tell u one thing. I really love ur posts about this debate about "whos better; MJ or LBJ" because ure being neutral and taking good perspectives and angles on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ct1016:

    NUMBERS NEVA. LIE

    1).   Both mj and lebron won their 2nd rings in their 8th playoff appearance

    And when LBJ did  it he was 28 years old....one year younger than MJ

    2).   LBJ is not just younger than MJ at the time of their second rings........he is also more ACCOMPLISHED.....at the time of LBJ second ring....his teams have won 19 playoff series......and MJ teams had won only 13 playoff series

    3).  At the time of LBJ 2nd ship his teams had a playoff winning percentage of .638 and MJ team had a playoff winning percentage of .587

    4).   Also at the time of LBJ second ship, he has won four MVP awards......that is one more than MJ who had three MVP awards at the time MJ got his second title

    5). AND finally LBJ is a nine time all star at the time of his second ship
    That is one more than MJ who was an 8 time all star at he time of HS second ship.

    I know it is hard to believe but lbj is on his way to having a special career that will rival MJ.....

    and the NUMBERS NEVA. LIE


    CT. I gotta tell u one thing. I really love ur posts about this debate about "whos better; MJ or LBJ" because ure being neutral and taking good perspectives and angles on it.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2013 - 9:54 PM ET #138

    Quote Originally Posted by Asomugha:



    CT. I gotta tell u one thing. I really love ur posts about this debate about "whos better; MJ or LBJ" because ure being neutral and taking good perspectives and angles on it.

    The NUMBERS NEVA LIE is a show....I posted their research

    As for my opinion.....mj is the goat....comparing lbj to him is all that can be done.....

    My opinion is lbj will be undeniably the second greatest of all time 
    But will be in the discussion to be goat


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    CT. I gotta tell u one thing. I really love ur posts about this debate about "whos better; MJ or LBJ" because ure being neutral and taking good perspectives and angles on it.

    The NUMBERS NEVA LIE is a show....I posted their research

    As for my opinion.....mj is the goat....comparing lbj to him is all that can be done.....

    My opinion is lbj will be undeniably the second greatest of all time 
    But will be in the discussion to be goat


     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2013 - 10:47 PM ET #139

    When Scott Norwood missed that 47-yd field goal that would have given the Buffalo Bills the Super Bowl win.................

    LeBron was the holder



    Guy gets blamed for everything else, so why not?
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    When Scott Norwood missed that 47-yd field goal that would have given the Buffalo Bills the Super Bowl win.................

    LeBron was the holder



    Guy gets blamed for everything else, so why not?
     
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    Here's something Lebron fans need to swallow:

    Lebron James will forever be a coward & somebody who lacks in grace & competitiveness to many people no matter how many championships he wins!! The world has been witnesses to what his done, what he had to do and how he acts in times of success. You say people who critic him are 'haters' or 'hating' - that is so tiresome and redundant. Fact is he has given many reasons to why people criticize him & he continues to do so. He brought it upon himself. Look @ his MVP speech and look @ his video post after winning the championship. The world is supposed to like this guy!!? Sorry guys. that ain't cool no matter how you try to justify it.

    You judge a man by how he handles success and how he handles failure. Unfortunately he fails in both circumstances. He's a champion, 2 times yes he is - but a majority of people are not impressed and will never be!!

    Deal w/ it Lebron Fans. Just enjoy the ship and walk away. Why try to convince people when it will always be a losing battle.


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    Here's something Lebron fans need to swallow:

    Lebron James will forever be a coward & somebody who lacks in grace & competitiveness to many people no matter how many championships he wins!! The world has been witnesses to what his done, what he had to do and how he acts in times of success. You say people who critic him are 'haters' or 'hating' - that is so tiresome and redundant. Fact is he has given many reasons to why people criticize him & he continues to do so. He brought it upon himself. Look @ his MVP speech and look @ his video post after winning the championship. The world is supposed to like this guy!!? Sorry guys. that ain't cool no matter how you try to justify it.

    You judge a man by how he handles success and how he handles failure. Unfortunately he fails in both circumstances. He's a champion, 2 times yes he is - but a majority of people are not impressed and will never be!!

    Deal w/ it Lebron Fans. Just enjoy the ship and walk away. Why try to convince people when it will always be a losing battle.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2013 - 11:22 PM ET #141

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Messier summed up my thoughts as well. Strangely, my favorite of the big three now in MIA is Chris Bosh. I've turned against Wade over the years because I expected childish antics from LeBron, but Wade's complaining for lack of calls has been so outlandish this year and playoffs in particular, that it makes me really, really dislike him as well.



    Wade was cool until this whole Big 3 fiasco. All of a sudden he's flopped more than he ever has, complained more than he ever has and acted immature and some times out right embarrassing more than he ever has in this Big 3 era. He used to be so humble, he used to let his game speak for itself.......now he thinks he is deserving of everything. Before he worked hard for it or just put his head down and just played the game. How horribly he has become. If he continues to evolve in this manner he won't have much fans supporting him by the end of his career. & this is coming from a former fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Messier summed up my thoughts as well. Strangely, my favorite of the big three now in MIA is Chris Bosh. I've turned against Wade over the years because I expected childish antics from LeBron, but Wade's complaining for lack of calls has been so outlandish this year and playoffs in particular, that it makes me really, really dislike him as well.



    Wade was cool until this whole Big 3 fiasco. All of a sudden he's flopped more than he ever has, complained more than he ever has and acted immature and some times out right embarrassing more than he ever has in this Big 3 era. He used to be so humble, he used to let his game speak for itself.......now he thinks he is deserving of everything. Before he worked hard for it or just put his head down and just played the game. How horribly he has become. If he continues to evolve in this manner he won't have much fans supporting him by the end of his career. & this is coming from a former fan.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3BallBomber:


    Wade was cool until this whole Big 3 fiasco. All of a sudden he's flopped more than he ever has, complained more than he ever has and acted immature and some times out right embarrassing more than he ever has in this Big 3 era. He used to be so humble, he used to let his game speak for itself.......now he thinks he is deserving of everything. Before he worked hard for it or just put his head down and just played the game. How horribly he has become. If he continues to evolve in this manner he won't have much fans supporting him by the end of his career. & this is coming from a former fan.




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    Wade was cool until this whole Big 3 fiasco. All of a sudden he's flopped more than he ever has, complained more than he ever has and acted immature and some times out right embarrassing more than he ever has in this Big 3 era. He used to be so humble, he used to let his game speak for itself.......now he thinks he is deserving of everything. Before he worked hard for it or just put his head down and just played the game. How horribly he has become. If he continues to evolve in this manner he won't have much fans supporting him by the end of his career. & this is coming from a former fan.




    let it go
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2013 - 11:34 AM ET #143

    Quote Originally Posted by 3BallBomber:

    Here's something Lebron fans need to swallow:

    Lebron James will forever be a coward & somebody who lacks in grace & competitiveness to many people no matter how many championships he wins!! The world has been witnesses to what his done, what he had to do and how he acts in times of success. You say people who critic him are 'haters' or 'hating' - that is so tiresome and redundant. Fact is he has given many reasons to why people criticize him & he continues to do so. He brought it upon himself. Look @ his MVP speech and look @ his video post after winning the championship. The world is supposed to like this guy!!? Sorry guys. that ain't cool no matter how you try to justify it.

    You judge a man by how he handles success and how he handles failure. Unfortunately he fails in both circumstances. He's a champion, 2 times yes he is - but a majority of people are not impressed and will never be!!

    Deal w/ it Lebron Fans. Just enjoy the ship and walk away. Why try to convince people when it will always be a losing battle.



    You are correct (last sentence)......I don't care who you are...athlete, politician, pastor, teacher, president, etc.......

    No one is liked by everyone.....if folks don't like the guy they just don't like the guy......

    To me, kid coming from inner city (CODE FOR GHETTO!!!!) ...with a single parent mom...in akron, Ohio......(by the way he never forgot where he came from)

    Drafted by lousy franchise....gave them seven years.....changed jobs. (No crime there)

    Agreed with espn OFFER to televise the decision.....but gave the proceeds/money to CHARITY

    and is a pass first not selfish hero ball .....superstar

    That has not been in legal trouble

    I can see how a lot of people would have a problem with that.
    That was sarcasm.....

    But please my point is.......I don't care who you are.....you can't please everyone....and there will be critics and folks that just won't like how you look, talk, whatever......and it is that fact........that we agree on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 3BallBomber:

    Here's something Lebron fans need to swallow:

    Lebron James will forever be a coward & somebody who lacks in grace & competitiveness to many people no matter how many championships he wins!! The world has been witnesses to what his done, what he had to do and how he acts in times of success. You say people who critic him are 'haters' or 'hating' - that is so tiresome and redundant. Fact is he has given many reasons to why people criticize him & he continues to do so. He brought it upon himself. Look @ his MVP speech and look @ his video post after winning the championship. The world is supposed to like this guy!!? Sorry guys. that ain't cool no matter how you try to justify it.

    You judge a man by how he handles success and how he handles failure. Unfortunately he fails in both circumstances. He's a champion, 2 times yes he is - but a majority of people are not impressed and will never be!!

    Deal w/ it Lebron Fans. Just enjoy the ship and walk away. Why try to convince people when it will always be a losing battle.



    You are correct (last sentence)......I don't care who you are...athlete, politician, pastor, teacher, president, etc.......

    No one is liked by everyone.....if folks don't like the guy they just don't like the guy......

    To me, kid coming from inner city (CODE FOR GHETTO!!!!) ...with a single parent mom...in akron, Ohio......(by the way he never forgot where he came from)

    Drafted by lousy franchise....gave them seven years.....changed jobs. (No crime there)

    Agreed with espn OFFER to televise the decision.....but gave the proceeds/money to CHARITY

    and is a pass first not selfish hero ball .....superstar

    That has not been in legal trouble

    I can see how a lot of people would have a problem with that.
    That was sarcasm.....

    But please my point is.......I don't care who you are.....you can't please everyone....and there will be critics and folks that just won't like how you look, talk, whatever......and it is that fact........that we agree on.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2013 - 10:41 PM ET #144

    Quote Originally Posted by ct1016:

    NUMBERS NEVA. LIE

    1).   Both mj and lebron won their 2nd rings in their 8th playoff appearance

    And when LBJ did  it he was 28 years old....one year younger than MJ

    2).   LBJ is not just younger than MJ at the time of their second rings........he is also more ACCOMPLISHED.....at the time of LBJ second ring....his teams have won 19 playoff series......and MJ teams had won only 13 playoff series

    3).  At the time of LBJ 2nd ship his teams had a playoff winning percentage of .638 and MJ team had a playoff winning percentage of .587

    4).   Also at the time of LBJ second ship, he has won four MVP awards......that is one more than MJ who had three MVP awards at the time MJ got his second title

    5). AND finally LBJ is a nine time all star at the time of his second ship
    That is one more than MJ who was an 8 time all star at he time of HS second ship.

    I know it is hard to believe but lbj is on his way to having a special career that will rival MJ.....

    and the NUMBERS NEVA. LIE

    Cool numbers, but you're missing the important stuff.

    Jordan rose to power with, stayed with, and made the Bulls the team of the 90s. Lebron went to a tailor fit team with 2 other mega stars.

    What would have happened if the Bulls traded Jordan to the Lakers in 87?

    LBJ. Great ball player? Yep. The presence and all around "it" MJ had? Not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ct1016:

    NUMBERS NEVA. LIE

    1).   Both mj and lebron won their 2nd rings in their 8th playoff appearance

    And when LBJ did  it he was 28 years old....one year younger than MJ

    2).   LBJ is not just younger than MJ at the time of their second rings........he is also more ACCOMPLISHED.....at the time of LBJ second ring....his teams have won 19 playoff series......and MJ teams had won only 13 playoff series

    3).  At the time of LBJ 2nd ship his teams had a playoff winning percentage of .638 and MJ team had a playoff winning percentage of .587

    4).   Also at the time of LBJ second ship, he has won four MVP awards......that is one more than MJ who had three MVP awards at the time MJ got his second title

    5). AND finally LBJ is a nine time all star at the time of his second ship
    That is one more than MJ who was an 8 time all star at he time of HS second ship.

    I know it is hard to believe but lbj is on his way to having a special career that will rival MJ.....

    and the NUMBERS NEVA. LIE

    Cool numbers, but you're missing the important stuff.

    Jordan rose to power with, stayed with, and made the Bulls the team of the 90s. Lebron went to a tailor fit team with 2 other mega stars.

    What would have happened if the Bulls traded Jordan to the Lakers in 87?

    LBJ. Great ball player? Yep. The presence and all around "it" MJ had? Not even close.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2013 - 10:58 PM ET #145

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Cool numbers, but you're missing the important stuff.

    Jordan rose to power with, stayed with, and made the Bulls the team of the 90s. Lebron went to a tailor fit team with 2 other mega stars.

    What would have happened if the Bulls traded Jordan to the Lakers in 87?

    LBJ. Great ball player? Yep. The presence and all around "it" MJ had? Not even close.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Cool numbers, but you're missing the important stuff.

    Jordan rose to power with, stayed with, and made the Bulls the team of the 90s. Lebron went to a tailor fit team with 2 other mega stars.

    What would have happened if the Bulls traded Jordan to the Lakers in 87?

    LBJ. Great ball player? Yep. The presence and all around "it" MJ had? Not even close.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2013 - 11:00 PM ET #146

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:

    When Scott Norwood missed that 47-yd field goal that would have given the Buffalo Bills the Super Bowl win.................

    LeBron was the holder



    Guy gets blamed for everything else, so why not?

    I remember watching that game but I obviously do not remember the holder. My gut tells me that LeBron was too young but I will take your word for it.  After all it makes perfect sense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:

    When Scott Norwood missed that 47-yd field goal that would have given the Buffalo Bills the Super Bowl win.................

    LeBron was the holder



    Guy gets blamed for everything else, so why not?

    I remember watching that game but I obviously do not remember the holder. My gut tells me that LeBron was too young but I will take your word for it.  After all it makes perfect sense.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2013 - 2:28 AM ET #147

    Quote Originally Posted by tonyrome:


    Agree 100000% I was just showing the range that LeBron does not fall in.
    In NO WAY would I put Durant in the same skill level/category, etc... YET, his potential is there but no way would I say he is as good as any of them...my point was to cover a range of current and past players that LeBron is not in.


    hope you do realized what happened to OKC this playoff.
    they looked awful w/o westbrook.
    its all durant 
    he brings the ball, shoot the ball and rebounded the ball all at ones, all at ones. that's nothing compared basketball IQ of LBJ.
    Durant is a gifted shooter and had a GREAT UPSIDE on his potentials, but right now, NO.
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    Agree 100000% I was just showing the range that LeBron does not fall in.
    In NO WAY would I put Durant in the same skill level/category, etc... YET, his potential is there but no way would I say he is as good as any of them...my point was to cover a range of current and past players that LeBron is not in.


    hope you do realized what happened to OKC this playoff.
    they looked awful w/o westbrook.
    its all durant 
    he brings the ball, shoot the ball and rebounded the ball all at ones, all at ones. that's nothing compared basketball IQ of LBJ.
    Durant is a gifted shooter and had a GREAT UPSIDE on his potentials, but right now, NO.
     
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    how can anyone compare lebron's situation compared to durants situation? durant was drafted and the very next year okc drafted westbrook and built their team arnd those to players..oh n how did cavs go? apart from drafting lebron what have they ever done for him?? nothing absolutely nothing. and everyone knew he was getting nowhere and will never get any where in cav. why should he waste his talent in a team that did nothing to help him win a championship ring. honestly he can make millions in any team. he was loyal to the cavs for 7 years yet everyone gives him crap because he leaves? seriously why are everyone else forgetting other players leaving there teams in search for a championship. kevin garnet come to mind? how many years was he loyal to the timberwolves and got no where? 12 years! guess what happened to him, oh traded to boston. guess what happened he finally won his well deserved ring. ppl are hating lebron because he actually made a right decision for his career? we all know what would happen to lebron if he stayed in cav, his career would be much like garnetts, never having a chance to advance in his career and then finally after a decade of loyalty to his team, traded to another team when his old and past his prime.
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    how can anyone compare lebron's situation compared to durants situation? durant was drafted and the very next year okc drafted westbrook and built their team arnd those to players..oh n how did cavs go? apart from drafting lebron what have they ever done for him?? nothing absolutely nothing. and everyone knew he was getting nowhere and will never get any where in cav. why should he waste his talent in a team that did nothing to help him win a championship ring. honestly he can make millions in any team. he was loyal to the cavs for 7 years yet everyone gives him crap because he leaves? seriously why are everyone else forgetting other players leaving there teams in search for a championship. kevin garnet come to mind? how many years was he loyal to the timberwolves and got no where? 12 years! guess what happened to him, oh traded to boston. guess what happened he finally won his well deserved ring. ppl are hating lebron because he actually made a right decision for his career? we all know what would happen to lebron if he stayed in cav, his career would be much like garnetts, never having a chance to advance in his career and then finally after a decade of loyalty to his team, traded to another team when his old and past his prime.
     
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    oh and those who compares lebron to mj, mj was drafted by the bulls a championship franchise. lebron was drafted by cavs. a franchise that has never won a nba championship. seriously even mj is not good enough to win a nba championship if he was drafted by the cavs
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    oh and those who compares lebron to mj, mj was drafted by the bulls a championship franchise. lebron was drafted by cavs. a franchise that has never won a nba championship. seriously even mj is not good enough to win a nba championship if he was drafted by the cavs
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Cool numbers, but you're missing the important stuff.

    Jordan rose to power with, stayed with, and made the Bulls the team of the 90s. Lebron went to a tailor fit team with 2 other mega stars.

    What would have happened if the Bulls traded Jordan to the Lakers in 87?

    LBJ. Great ball player? Yep. The presence and all around "it" MJ had? Not even close.


    It was a show...on espn.

    I am a fan of both players.

    In my opinion, LBJ can't compare to MJ 's accomplishments......b/c he is still playing.

    But if folks are saying who does more for their team....that is debatable now.......debate about accomplishments and legacy is a crazy debate.
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    Cool numbers, but you're missing the important stuff.

    Jordan rose to power with, stayed with, and made the Bulls the team of the 90s. Lebron went to a tailor fit team with 2 other mega stars.

    What would have happened if the Bulls traded Jordan to the Lakers in 87?

    LBJ. Great ball player? Yep. The presence and all around "it" MJ had? Not even close.


    It was a show...on espn.

    I am a fan of both players.

    In my opinion, LBJ can't compare to MJ 's accomplishments......b/c he is still playing.

    But if folks are saying who does more for their team....that is debatable now.......debate about accomplishments and legacy is a crazy debate.
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