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Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478:


This is incredibly false. 

You can sell your $500 bet for approximately $5500 at the current price. A 10x return on your investment isn't "that big of a profit?" Now, of course you need to have the resources to place such a hedge, which I'm assuming you don't.

You really think so Rangers that the teaser is a bad idea?  I know obviously Cle can steal home court and still lose the series but if you think about the fact GS can win their first two and still give the ticket a chance, it means you cash both end... At worse your teaser lost but you need to remember that would mean GS lost a home game... which also means...

You get a way better line on Cle to hedge... So why would you hedge now and pay the high price... If cleveland takes a game at Oracle, the series price will be about even... Agree?  This is jsut a way of possibly cashing both end... If you don't agree that'ts alright but I will probably take this approach for a few k's...

I understand math and know how to hedge properly... but when you look at a possible payout of 17.5k like myself, I don't know if I want to give up more then half on a hedge... Got a week to think about it... At5 least I already cashed my Cle winning the east at 12x for $500!  I hope more can add input on my idea... perhaps I'm wrong...

And for the record, your teaser idea is awful on every level. There are so many ways that can go wrong for you. Either hedge with the series now, or wait it out and hope the Cavs can go ahead. But the teaser idea is just bad. Really, really bad. 
 
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Posted: #352
Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

how is scal wrong when everything you say confirms his point. its very hard hedging this bet for multiple reasons.


BB you are one of the poster I respect here and I always read your post, however you shouldn't back Scale as he clearly made a stupid thread, and doing all he can to make up BS excuses for his claim...

He brought up luck... so ya I do agree at the time of when these odds were available no one can predict the future... although those like myself who took Cle should be applauded for since we made the right read and took a chance that immediately paid off when he returned to Cleveland... A 35 to 1 ticket is not something anyone would turn down... Not even Scale himself... but sadly he was not able to make that smart a move, so what he does... gets bitter... And as someone mentioned... How many teams are there in the NBA?  To make a claim that a team of which you are holding a ticket for will NOT win, and along the process you can't hedge... How hard is it to make this claim?  Lmao... aren't we all doing this to make money?  So why do we have to go all the way for the ticket to be worth somethign?  That comment itself already made him a joke... And I'm not even geting into how he brings in future variables like luck, injouries etc involve... The truth is when you hold a ticket of over 30x and have the best player on your team... It is never a bad idea... yet he being the clown he is seems to disagree...
 
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I think the real reason Scal is mad is because he has to watch his two favorite Knicks leave his beloved organization and immediately win a ring -- when Shumpert and Smith hold up that trophy what will you do Scal?
 
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Posted: #354
If scalabrine is so sure that Cavs futures ticket holders are going to end up ripping it to shreds - why doesn't he unload his house on Warriors RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY SECOND? -220 looks very tasty to me if I was 100% sure that Cavs were going to lose.

Simple - he's afraid. Afraid that Cavs will win and he'd be humiliated beyond measure.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyboi96:



BB you are one of the poster I respect here and I always read your post, however you shouldn't back Scale as he clearly made a stupid thread, and doing all he can to make up BS excuses for his claim...

He brought up luck... so ya I do agree at the time of when these odds were available no one can predict the future... although those like myself who took Cle should be applauded for since we made the right read and took a chance that immediately paid off when he returned to Cleveland... A 35 to 1 ticket is not something anyone would turn down... Not even Scale himself... but sadly he was not able to make that smart a move, so what he does... gets bitter... And as someone mentioned... How many teams are there in the NBA?  To make a claim that a team of which you are holding a ticket for will NOT win, and along the process you can't hedge... How hard is it to make this claim?  Lmao... aren't we all doing this to make money?  So why do we have to go all the way for the ticket to be worth somethign?  That comment itself already made him a joke... And I'm not even geting into how he brings in future variables like luck, injouries etc involve... The truth is when you hold a ticket of over 30x and have the best player on your team... It is never a bad idea... yet he being the clown he is seems to disagree...

I would start listening to the people you respect because you clearly understand very little of the OP or any of my bit**slaps of the trolls here about effective hedging (not JUST 'hedging' which is what you said and which would not be remarkable or noteworthy in the least. For gods sake the one guy here who has a ticket is hedging out for $420 so far and he'll still be DOWN an extra $480 from the Hawks series. And if GS wins Game 1, the hedging gets far worse) .

No one is 'turning down' a 30-1 ticket.

You haven't read the thread, you continue to bring up the same recycled points as the trolls and you've offered nothing new to the conversation.

Now go watch the Cavs lose the series and come back and say how I was still wrong.

Good lord. 9 years and the posters here are all the same.

 
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Posted: #356
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Ah yeah sure, I wish I made a bet on a team that was 30-1 (and as high as 50-1) and then get on my hands and needs and pray that  all the following happen:

Lebron comes (the biggest free agent signing of our generation)

Wiggins is traded or Love

Mozgov is traded for what equates to two high second rounders

Waiters is sent packing

JR is given to them

Shumpert is given to them

In short, you're the guy who says you just got lucky, well I get lucky every time I win. 

This is the heart of your "you got lucky" premise, that impossible "lucky" things that happened.

Did any one think that the Knicks players and Mozgov were going to fit this well? It's not the actual deals that were "lucky", it's that they are inspired to play and produce at a higher level playing with Lebron.

Yes you get a 30-1 ticket and Lebron does what he does, that's great fortune.

The Cavs are gonna smoke the Warriors and all the lucky people who had futures will cash big and you will be on the wrong side, but in the worst possible way, because you qualified luck as something pejorative, when it's in the mix of every winning ticket.

Good luck!

 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Ah yeah sure, I wish I made a bet on a team that was 30-1 (and as high as 50-1) and then get on my hands and needs and pray that  all the following happen:

Lebron comes (the biggest free agent signing of our generation)

Wiggins is traded or Love

Mozgov is traded for what equates to two high second rounders

Waiters is sent packing

JR is given to them

Shumpert is given to them


And if just one of those things does not happen, the Cavs likely aren't where they are today (with the last two being a package deal and yes, Mozgov was crucial as the Cavs didn't have a center).

So uh, no, I wouldn't want to throw money at a Win for Life ticket like that because as I said over and over and over, even after all that, the ticket will not cash...and the 'guaranteed' profit was never 'guaranteed' at all. A LOT had to happen for the Cavs to be in the finals, including Dellavedova playing Sammy the Bull Gravano. And the profit the poster will make above (if he can pull it off because the odds are going to fly all over the place in that series), won't mean much in terms of a huge cash out to put him over the top for the year. So it will be a nice little guaranteed hedge at the end of the day.

Honestly if he ends up winning $1,000, that's a nice pot for me a 1-2 No limit. I don't get up and scream and shout like a lunatic like the trolls all throughout this thread that this was the bet of the century.

You have to WIN IT ALL to brag and that just ain't gunn happen.

   How do you know it "ain't gunn happen", T Dum?  How do you KNOW that?  Are you going to take the satisfaction of being right in this goofy thread, or are you actually going to bet money on  the Warriors, since you "know"?  Are you going to just keep blabbing til next Thursday, or are you going to put up or STFU?? 
 
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Posted: #358
Scal-

I'm not ripping you like other on here, but understand that in my situation I'm NET PROFIT 1200 on the finals no matter what happens. The worst case scenario for me is net profit of 1200.

"For gods sake the one guy here who has a ticket is hedging out for $420 so far and he'll still be DOWN an extra $480 from the Hawks series. And if GS wins Game 1, the hedging gets far worse)." 

This statement is false. Not piling on just want to make sure you understand. 

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Scal, do you think the line gets to -200 or better for a G-State series wager?  I'm thinking -220 might be the best number. Going to lay a couple units on the series but am curious whether you think maybe a better price will be there in the coming days.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by DannerB7:

Sc al-I'm not ripping you like other on here, but understand that in my situation I'm NET PROFIT 1200 on the finals no matter what happens. The worst case scenario for me is net profit of 1200."For gods sake the one guy here who has a ticket is hedging out for $420 so far and he'll still be DOWN an extra $480 from the Hawks series. And if GS wins Game 1, the hedging gets far worse)." This statement is false. Not piling on just want to make sure you understand. D


Your net profit is not $1,200. You don't know what the adjusted game odds are if GS wins the first game and you are only hedging your original $400 + 20 on that first game.

Further your net profit of $1,200, if true, comes at an investment of $5,900, none of which was ever guaranteed (and I stress that last part...the trades and transactions throughout the year got you here far beyond just the LBJ signing. God, I could even go back to the blatt inbounds play against Chicago where he wanted Lebron to throw in...).

To be holding a ticket for $11,000+ and to get paid not $11,000, but ABOUT ONE TENTH of that, and this is the key, and this is what I've been trying to convey for MONTHS to the brainless posters here (which falls on deaf ears time and time again) is NOT A remarkable investment in the least and was a MASSIVE gamble on your part at 28-1 before Lebron came.

That was part of the reason I created this thread at 3-1! To elucidate that to the troglodytes here...all for not. Because all those ticket holders were dancing in the streets like they already won. And still, they haven't won a dime.

Now, Klay is concussed and the basketball gods smile on the Cavs yet again (even after the curry fall which could have broken his neck), and sometimes I do believe in good fortune as is happening to the Cavs.

Anyhow, the ROI of $1,200 is NOT threadworthy, was never even close to 'guaranteed' AND you had to have $5,900 just to get that return (something 99.9% of the bettors here could only dream of as a bankroll), hence my entire discussion of those very people without the bankroll and the 30-1 ticket letting it ride and possibly getting nothing.

But you see the posters we have here and they simply can't engage in any form of meaningful debate on this with reasonable counterpoints (specifically literal teenagers in Rodwomans and FadeOride).

That's not a shot at you but a shot at the discussion here with many posters who are treating this topic like it's an attack on their faith, if religious.

So the hedge? Unremarkable.

If you cash a 28-1 ticket (even with the nectar of the basketball gods dripping into the Cavs mouths with all these injuries),that by the way you are currently hedging, then you can brag.

But until then...
 
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Posted: #361
Whats hilarious about this is scalabrine is basically a broke degenerate.  His bankroll is probably 1k max probably and he trying to teach everyone.  


If you were so smart, why are you still betting 50-100 a game then?


When your bankroll is on bovada... no one is going to take you seriously.


If you think $5900 is even a bankroll, you have a lot to learn.





Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:



Your net profit is not $1,200. You don't know what the adjusted game odds are if GS wins the first game and you are only hedging your original $400 + 20 on that first game.

Further your net profit of $1,200, if true, comes at an investment of $5,900, none of which was ever guaranteed (and I stress that last part...the trades and transactions throughout the year got you here far beyond just the LBJ signing. God, I could even go back to the blatt inbounds play against Chicago where he wanted Lebron to throw in...).

To be holding a ticket for $11,000+ and to get paid not $11,000, but ABOUT ONE TENTH of that, and this is the key, and this is what I've been trying to convey for MONTHS to the brainless posters here (which falls on deaf ears time and time again) is NOT A remarkable investment in the least and was a MASSIVE gamble on your part at 28-1 before Lebron came.

That was part of the reason I created this thread at 3-1! To elucidate that to the troglodytes here...all for not. Because all those ticket holders were dancing in the streets like they already won. And still, they haven't won a dime.

Now, Klay is concussed and the basketball gods smile on the Cavs yet again (even after the curry fall which could have broken his neck), and sometimes I do believe in good fortune as is happening to the Cavs.

Anyhow, the ROI of $1,200 is NOT threadworthy, was never even close to 'guaranteed' AND you had to have $5,900 just to get that return (something 99.9% of the bettors here could only dream of as a bankroll), hence my entire discussion of those very people without the bankroll and the 30-1 ticket letting it ride and possibly getting nothing.

But you see the posters we have here and they simply can't engage in any form of meaningful debate on this with reasonable counterpoints (specifically literal teenagers in Rodwomans and FadeOride).

That's not a shot at you but a shot at the discussion here with many posters who are treating this topic like it's an attack on their faith, if religious.

So the hedge? Unremarkable.

If you cash a 28-1 ticket (even with the nectar of the basketball gods dripping into the Cavs mouths with all these injuries),that by the way you are currently hedging, then you can brag.

But until then...
 
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Whats hilarious about this is scalabrine is basically a broke degenerate.  His bankroll is probably 1k max probably and he trying to teach everyone.  


If you were so smart, why are you still betting 50-100 a game then?


When your bankroll is on bovada... no one is going to take you seriously.


If you think $5900 is even a bankroll, you have a lot to learn.
 
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Scal aren't you watching Game 7 between the Rangers/Lightning?

Scoreless after two. periods.

Looks like it's gonna be decided in OT

 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

No I'm not 'proud'.

It started as a rant against 30-1 ticket holders who went berserk when Lebron came.

And if the following do not happen, the Cavs are not in the finals:

Wiggins traded for Love (yes Love is out but I think we'd all agree a Lebron Wiggins combo wouldn't be in the finals in their first year together, even in a terrible East).

And that trade is key because it snowballed into the Cavs being:

Given JR

Given Shumpert (and yes, they were both gift-wrapped by Knicks)

Mozgov being traded for what equates to two early second rounders.

So those 30-1 ticket holders HAVE NO IDEA how lady luck has smiled upon them to have all the right pieces fall into place for the Cavs, with other teams playing willing partners to shore up their major deficiencies (if you look at the OP, the names I wrote are COMPLETELY different than the team you see now).

But then it got even better for the Cavs:

You have the phantom time out in Game 4 in the Bulls series to set up a play for Lebron (a play in which Blatt wanted Lebron to INBOUND the ball instead of taking the shot. Yes folks, the coach wanted Lebron to INBOUND the ball on that play).

Then you have the time out call that was ignored that would have put the Bulls up 3-1.

Then you have Taj thrown out of a key game due to Delly's figure four leglock on the court.

Then the Hawks are completely transformed as their best defender has his leg destroyed...not on the court, no, not on the court...but outside a nightclub by a police baton. Totally different team without him.

Oh, Delly was up to no good again taking out Korver, the deadliest of all 3 point shooting assassins. Then he gets Horford thrown out when Al gets tired of Delly diving into people's legs. He's like a hired goon for the mob except it's like he came out of an Ambercrombie and Fitch catalog instead of someone you nab out of the backroom of a strip club. 

He's the co-MVP in my book of this Hawks series. No one is saying they would have lost either series but they certainly would have gone longer, perhaps much longer.

And now they will play a REAL team from a REAL conference.

It's much like a horse coming down the stretch at the Kentucky Derby. You're on the rail SCREAMING like you are going to win. And then the best horse who sat back the whole race, pacing himself, calmly overtakes you...and you lose.

Lady Luck almost did it again with the Curry fall but he'll be ok. Imagine if Curry goes down. It would be the most injury ravaged path to the Finals in NBA history. The Cavs have no idea how fortunate they have been.

And the Love injury (although bad for them) only motivated an already talented Thompson (who is playing for a contract by the way...surprise, surprise that his ballin' so hard).

 

And where's your 30-1 ticket in the end? On the ground with the rest of the losers (sift through those so you can find some gas money to get home).

Warriors will win and poof...the Cavs dreams will be up in smoke like those tickets.

 

I may put on a traditional Native American headdress and dance around the 30-1 (and 3-1) flaming smokestack while they burn....because they will burn... and they will burn brightly..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA0bTp677gk

 




 
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Whats hilarious about this is scalabrine is basically a broke degenerate.  His bankroll is probably 1k max probably and he trying to teach everyone.  


If you were so smart, why are you still betting 50-100 a game then?


When your bankroll is on bovada... no one is going to take you seriously.


If you think $5900 is even a bankroll, you have a lot to learn.

The F**k are you talking about??  I'll tell you who no one takes seriously.  It's the dbag that needs to compare "rolls" as some sort of affirmation as to who is the better capper.  
 
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scal might be wrong here, but no one does a better write up...personally i take cavs @ +200; in 7 if i had to say.


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Spurs??  They were mediocre at best this year.
 
 
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Scal made a bold statement, it backfired obviously. we have all done it...

people need to chill out lol
 
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I think the problem is that people feel scal is switching the argument. I mean some people taking it to far with the comment but when u say that Cavs future bets are worthless and the Cavs are now 4 games from possibly winning a title clearly that aurgement was false. The mojarity of people here are not saying the Cavs would when the chchampionship as they are saying scal was proven wrong that they had no chance at all.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

Scal made a bold statement, it backfired obviously. we have all done it...

people need to chill out lol

Dude,

I can't say this enough but I have to say it again.

I posted this thread at the Cavs being 3-1 to prove a point, that hedging gets very sticky when it comes down to the point where you have to outlay a lot of money (and at -230, it is far more than + money and this is in addition to any money you put out on the Bulls or Hawks series, furthering your debt). And the kid who is trying to hedge out here is having a tough time doing that.

If I posted this at 30-1 and said "Lebron won't come", THEN it backfired.

NOTHING has backfired.

The horse is coming down the stretch and the ticketholders are screaming bloody victory.

And how much have they collected? Not a SINGLE penny. And when their horse loses by a nose, how much will the book give them? That's right, they'll show them right to the door and boot them out with a swift kick.

And if they hedge, and let me be clear, their ROI is uglier than a Clydesdale's as* after it sits in it's own manure.

If the Cavs win and those 30-1's cash, THEN I will take all the berating from here to the end of time.

But that will not happen.

And when the Cavs lose, like I said, I will dance like I'm the last of the Mohicans.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin300:

Whats hilarious about this is scalabrine is basically a broke degenerate.  His bankroll is probably 1k max probably and he trying to teach everyone.  


If you were so smart, why are you still betting 50-100 a game then?


When your bankroll is on bovada... no one is going to take you seriously.


If you think $5900 is even a bankroll, you have a lot to learn.

Who is betting $50 to $100 a game? And my bankroll left Bovada long ago. I'm on 5 Dimes kid.

And $5,900 is a legit bankroll, because like I said, 99% of bettors here do not have such a bankroll.

Maybe you can put $10,000 down on a craps table and lose and think you're a big shot with your garbage unbuttoned to your navel but others here don't and won't and could care less.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by CanadaCup:

Scal aren't you watching Game 7 between the Rangers/Lightning?

Scoreless after two. periods.

Looks like it's gonna be decided in OT

Typical Rangers.

Ya can't keep going 7 game 7 games 7 games and think you are going to win em all....

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jford0523:

I think the problem is that people feel scal is switching the argument. I mean some people taking it to far with the comment but when u say that Cavs future bets are worthless and the Cavs are now 4 games from possibly winning a title clearly that aurgement was false. The mojarity of people here are not saying the Cavs would when the chchampionship as they are saying scal was proven wrong that they had no chance at all.

I'll say this for the....BILLIONTH time:


How much with the 30-1 Cavs futures bet pay if the Cavs lose to the Warriors in 4/5/6/7?????

That's right. Vegas won't even give you the lint from their pocket if bring that ticket to the window.

No one said they couldn't come out of the weakest and most injury riddled East in decades (with their hired henchman in Dellavadova).

For god's sake, I feel like I'm watching Donnie Brasco and he's one of Sonny Black's sidekicks when he's on the court.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by BIGfnPOO:

scal might be wrong here, but no one does a better write up...personally i take cavs @ +200; in 7 if i had to say.


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Well thanks Big.

But needless to say, I'd advise against such a pick.

 
 
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