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Scal made a statement, it backfired obviously. we have all done it...people need to chill out lol

Dude,
I can't say this enough but I have to say it again.
I posted this thread at the Cavs being 3-1 to prove a point, that hedging gets very sticky when it comes down to the point where you have to outlay a lot of money (and at -230, it is far more than + money and this is in addition to any money you put out on the Bulls or Hawks series, furthering your debt). And the kid who is trying to hedge out here is having a tough time doing that.
If I posted this at 30-1 and said "Lebron won't come", THEN it backfired.
NOTHING has backfired.
The horse is coming down the stretch and the ticketholders are screaming bloody victory.
And how much have they collected? Not a SINGLE penny. And when their horse loses by a nose, how much will the book give them? That's right, they'll show them right to the door and boot them out with a swift kick.
And if they hedge, and let me be clear, their ROI is uglier than a Clydesdale's as* after it sits in it's own manure.
If the Cavs win and those 30-1's cash, THEN I will take all the berating from here to the end of time.
But that will not happen.
And when the Cavs lose, like I said, I will dance like I'm the last of the Mohicans.


Problem is that 80% of the people on this site won't understand this. Based on some of those comments, even 80% seems very optimistic.
 
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Posted: #377
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Ah yeah sure, I wish I made a bet on a team that was 30-1 (and as high as 50-1) and then get on my hands and needs and pray that  all the following happen:

Lebron comes (the biggest free agent signing of our generation)

Wiggins is traded or Love

Mozgov is traded for what equates to two high second rounders

Waiters is sent packing

JR is given to them

Shumpert is given to them


.And if just one of those things does not happen, the Cavs likely aren't where they are today (with the last two being a package deal and yes, Mozgov was crucial as the Cavs didn't have a center.

So uh, no, I wouldn't want to throw money at a Win for Life ticket like that because as I said over and over and over, even after all that, the ticket will not cash...and the 'guaranteed' profit was never 'guaranteed' at all. A LOT had to happen for the Cavs to be in the finals, including Dellavedova playing Sammy the Bull Gravano. And the profit the poster will make above (if he can pull it off because the odds are going to fly all over the place in that series), won't mean much in terms of a huge cash out to put him over the top for the year. So it will be a nice little guaranteed hedge at the end of the day.

Honestly if he ends up winning $1,000, that's a nice pot for me a 1-2 No limit. I don't get up and scream and shout like a lunatic like the trolls all throughout this thread that this was the bet of the century.

You have to WIN IT ALL to brag and that just ain't gunn happen.

1. Him going to Miami is bigger.

2.  They were laughed at for the trade when it happened as it just after Mavs got Rondo for 1 pick.  He was a nobody in Denver, I am big fan of his game after seeing him play and is exactly what they needed in terms of inside presence.

3.  Who could have seen that happening?Outside of JR he is only bigger cancer in the league.

4.They were crushed for this trade also.  They rolled the dice on probably the biggest cancer in the league that if they started winning he wouldn't be a liability.

5.  I will give you this one as he is very good defender and team player.

6. Did you think they would not make any moves over the year to improve?

7.Douchebaggery.

No way? Way
 
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Posted: #378
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:



Ah yeah sure, I wish I made a bet on a team that was 30-1 (and as high as 50-1) and then get on my hands and needs and pray that  all the following happen:
Lebron comes (the biggest free agent signing of our generation)
Wiggins is traded or Love
Mozgov is traded for what equates to two high second rounders
Waiters is sent packing
JR is given to them
Shumpert is given to them
.And if just one of those things does not happen, the Cavs likely aren't where they are today (with the last two being a package deal and yes, Mozgov was crucial as the Cavs didn't have a center.
So uh, no, I wouldn't want to throw money at a Win for Life ticket like that because as I said over and over and over, even after all that, the ticket will not cash...and the 'guaranteed' profit was never 'guaranteed' at all. A LOT had to happen for the Cavs to be in the finals, including Dellavedova playing Sammy the Bull Gravano. And the profit the poster will make above (if he can pull it off because the odds are going to fly all over the place in that series), won't mean much in terms of a huge cash out to put him over the top for the year. So it will be a nice little guaranteed hedge at the end of the day.
Honestly if he ends up winning $1,000, that's a nice pot for me a 1-2 No limit. I don't get up and scream and shout like a lunatic like the trolls all throughout this thread that this was the bet of the century.
You have to WIN IT ALL to brag and that just ain't gunn happen.
1. Him going to Miami is bigger.
2.  They were laughed at for the trade when it happened as it just after Mavs got Rondo for 1 pick.  He was a nobody in Denver, I am big fan of his game after seeing him play and is exactly what they needed in terms of inside presence.
3.  Who could have seen that happening?Outside of JR he is only bigger cancer in the league.
4.They were crushed for this trade also.  They rolled the dice on probably the biggest cancer in the league that if they started winning he wouldn't be a liability.
5.  I will give you this one as he is very good defender and team player.
6. Did you think they would not make any moves over the year to improve?
7.Douchebaggery.


Ben, you're out of your league here. Honestly, I don't even want to waste my time on what you've written it is so baseless and devoid of any truth.

But to the first point, Lebron leaving a team that has never won a championship to go play with a champion in Wade (and Bosh, who we now know he conspired with) and then subsequently won two championships and went to 4 straight finals, is not a bigger free agent signing for Miami when Cleveland gets him back still with no championships whatsoever.

Do you honestly beleive Dan Gilbert had even a sliver of leverage Riley had in either case (the coming or the going)?

Your attempt at that argument pretty much disqualifies you from continuing to debate me on the other points, given you are so off base on the first.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by suuma:


Dude,
I can't say this enough but I have to say it again.
I posted this thread at the Cavs being 3-1 to prove a point, that hedging gets very sticky when it comes down to the point where you have to outlay a lot of money (and at -230, it is far more than + money and this is in addition to any money you put out on the Bulls or Hawks series, furthering your debt). And the kid who is trying to hedge out here is having a tough time doing that.
If I posted this at 30-1 and said "Lebron won't come", THEN it backfired.
NOTHING has backfired.
The horse is coming down the stretch and the ticketholders are screaming bloody victory.
And how much have they collected? Not a SINGLE penny. And when their horse loses by a nose, how much will the book give them? That's right, they'll show them right to the door and boot them out with a swift kick.
And if they hedge, and let me be clear, their ROI is uglier than a Clydesdale's as* after it sits in it's own manure.
If the Cavs win and those 30-1's cash, THEN I will take all the berating from here to the end of time.
But that will not happen.
And when the Cavs lose, like I said, I will dance like I'm the last of the Mohicans.

Problem is that 80% of the people on this site won't understand this. Based on some of those comments, even 80% seems very optimistic.
80%....

Suuma, I've been with this site since it was called wagerline.com. What I've seen through the years from these posters would make even a toddler put his hand to his face is disgust and frustration.

 
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65%........
 
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Sorry my bad Suuma 80% is right.......
 
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but the cavs will win it all scal - how can you not give them a chance? vegas and all the nba d
stat geeks are doing so yet you keep hammering the other direction - your certainty is your misery - meanwhile you can root on your knicks buds jr and iman and just ride out a sweet price on lebrob who is probably the goat - looking like a fool with this fight dude
 
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Bob... you are right I think the Cavs a shot at winning this.....................but hedging out of any Cavs finals bet is what Scal is saying.......at say -220...thats a lot of Money to put out to hedge your bet.......Scal am I wrong??/
 
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But Bob...gotta say the Dubs are gonna win the Finals.......
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bobmaloogatimesfive:

but the cavs will win it all scal - how can you not give them a chance? vegas and all the nba d
stat geeks are doing so yet you keep hammering the other direction - your certainty is your misery - meanwhile you can root on your knicks buds jr and iman and just ride out a sweet price on lebrob who is probably the goat - looking like a fool with this fight dude

10,000+ Mutha***** views and 400 responses on a rant I started months ago.

I swear to god I am going to dance around this thread like Sammy Davis darn*ing Jr. performing Mr. Bojangles when the Warriors take this down.

And then I jump and click my heels right in all your troll faces when the final buzzer sounds and the Warriors hoist the trophy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMcfUjIguSs

 

 

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by lmb4321:

Bob... you are right I think the Cavs a shot at winning this.....................but hedging out of any Cavs finals bet is what Scal is saying.......at say -220...thats a lot of Money to put out to hedge your bet.......Scal am I wrong??/

Yes, LMB, it is the WORST possible time to hedge and this is in addition to any hedge down 2-1 to the Bulls and/or at 0-0 in the Hawks series (which had GREAT odds to hedge at +180).

You now need a pretty big bankroll just to hedge out of what was originally a $100 or a couple hundred dollar bet that has now ballooned with possible failed hedges.

The guy in this thread had to have $5,900 available.

Now $5,900 may not seem like a lot to most here (which is questionable at best for many here) but it is a TON when it is JUST used to hedge out of a Cavs future!!!

 
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Hello all-

As an update-
-I have $400 to win $11,200 on Cavs championship.
-I lost $500 hedging on Hawks Series.
-I have placed $2420 to win $1100 on Warriors series. I am waiting to hear about Klay/right before game time to place another $2200 at current price. That will put me at $4620 to win $2100 in the even the warriors win the series.

Scal just to clarify some things on computing ROI. Let's say warriors win and I have risked a total of $5520 (4620 + 400 + 500) - the NET PROFIT from this wager would be $1200 (2100 won - 400 - 500). The ROI would 21.7% (1200/5520). This return is on a situation in which I cannot lose. If the Cavs win I NET PROFIT $6,080. The ROI there is a whopping 110% (6080/5520). I'm not here ripping you on your thread, just want to clarify that I am in a great position in terms of ROI on both wagers. I cannot lose and will profit no matter what. This will be a fun series. Go Cavs.

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  Cleveland sweep +20-1. 
 
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cavs win in 4, 5, 6 or 7 can all play fot a quarter unit and still ney royghly a unit when they win - cant fathom how anyone is doubting the best ayer in the game and perhaps ever to come through for his home town team - lebron in magical and we can all witness his majesty - why are folks trying to stop the reign? jealousy. lebron and these cavs are destined for history
 
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Scal.......Am I wrong.... but was this thread initially supposed to be a kinda of satirical statement? ....and now it's a full on season serious debate......Props to you that you have hit a nerve.....
 
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Quote Originally Posted by lmb4321:

Scal.......Am I wrong.... but was this thread initially supposed to be a kinda of satirical statement? ....and now it's a full on season serious debate......Props to you that you have hit a nerve.....


Hey,

Yes, initially this was just a rant against 30-1 ticketholders. Why? Well because as SOON as Lebron says he was 'coming home', they went bonkers like they won the championship (and more importantly were going to get paid 30-1). They had of course, won nothing.

Now this was before Love came! Before Marion and Miller (two now largely worthless players who were supposed to be big role players) came. Before Mozgov, a glaring center need, came. And before the Knicks trash heap came.

The series of transactions the front office had to pull office to basically shore up every deficiency the Cavs had was nothing short of sensational.

BUT the good fortune (Knicks season worst in history, nuggets season awful, Love agreeing to play what is effectively third man) also was not only a major factor but, THE main factor.

For all those pieces to fall into place for those 30-1 holders is a near modern betting day miracle even with Lebron in the fold. (Oh and they even made the bet BEFORE Lebron came too!)

Did I think the Cavs could make the Finals even during the initial rant? Yes and I said so.

And guess how much 30-1 holders made so far?


Nada.

And the kid above with the ticket (and he's a nice kid and I wish him the best) is throwing out ROI's of 21% and 110% profit. Folks, that is ashtray money compared to 3000% profit! And let me be clear, NONE of that money was ever guaranteed. He had to make the ECF's and really the Finals to collect anything.

And One David Blatt Chris Webber-esque tech, if the refs and NBA didn't have a perpetual investment in the Cavs and Lebron, probably derails that.

Anyhow, here we are.

And I am shining my tap shoes up to pull my best Fres Astaire with those Cavs futures under my feet on the Bellagio rug. Lights Camera ACTION!

 
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You made this post on 11/18/2014 12:21:19 AM -- Love, Marion, etc. were all on the team at that point.  The Knicks guys not and not Mozgov but Love, Miller, Marion and all the preseason moves had happened.  You started this thread on an early season losing streak and they went on to be the most dominant team of the 2nd half of the season.  Cavs are not only going to win they will probably 3peat.
 
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Im on the warriors big scal, ive been saying that there is very very little chance that the Cavs win the title. If im wrong, im going to be pretty bummed lol.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:



Hey,

Yes, initially this was just a rant against 30-1 ticketholders. Why? Well because as SOON as Lebron says he was 'coming home', they went bonkers like they won the championship (and more importantly were going to get paid 30-1). They had of course, won nothing.

Now this was before Love came! Before Marion and Miller (two now largely worthless players who were supposed to be big role players) came. Before Mozgov, a glaring center need, came. And before the Knicks trash heap came.

The series of transactions the front office had to pull office to basically shore up every deficiency the Cavs had was nothing short of sensational.

BUT the good fortune (Knicks season worst in history, nuggets season awful, Love agreeing to play what is effectively third man) also was not only a major factor but, THE main factor.

For all those pieces to fall into place for those 30-1 holders is a near modern betting day miracle even with Lebron in the fold. (Oh and they even made the bet BEFORE Lebron came too!)

Did I think the Cavs could make the Finals even during the initial rant? Yes and I said so.

And guess how much 30-1 holders made so far?


Nada.

And the kid above with the ticket (and he's a nice kid and I wish him the best) is throwing out ROI's of 21% and 110% profit. Folks, that is ashtray money compared to 3000% profit! And let me be clear, NONE of that money was ever guaranteed. He had to make the ECF's and really the Finals to collect anything.

And One David Blatt Chris Webber-esque tech, if the refs and NBA didn't have a perpetual investment in the Cavs and Lebron, probably derails that.

Anyhow, here we are.

And I am shining my tap shoes up to pull my best Fres Astaire with those Cavs futures under my feet on the Bellagio rug. Lights Camera ACTION!

   You're wrong again of course, Tweedle Dum.  Nobody went "bonkers" like they had just won the championship.  But people were very happy that they had 30-1 tickets with James coming back to the team.  Who wouldn't be happy about that?

You are the yum-yum that went "bonkers" by flatly stating the tickets were useless, which was an idiotic statement then (and looks more stupid and ridiculous now). 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by bobmaloogatimesfive:

You made this post on 11/18/2014 12:21:19 AM -- Love, Marion, etc. were all on the team at that point.  The Knicks guys not and not Mozgov but Love, Miller, Marion and all the preseason moves had happened.  You started this thread on an early season losing streak and they went on to be the most dominant team of the 2nd half of the season.  Cavs are not only going to win they will probably 3peat.

Marion?  Shawn "The Matrix" (circa 1997) Marion?  So 37 year old Marion signing with the Cavs prior to Scal's post is somehow meaningful with regards to Cavs being a title contender, in your opinion?  


 
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Lit, it's truly hilarious...Shawn Marion...

 

It's  been said before but it needs to be shown in print and bolded.

Yet another reason why I'm confident in my position against what is now real competition that apparently, only the West can provide.

The list of teams with a +10.0 or better regular-season point-differential in NBA history

1. Los Angeles Lakers, 1971-’72…. +12.3. Regular-season record: 69-13. Result: NBA champion.

2. Milwaukee Bucks, 1970-’71…. +12.3. (Lakers were a few hundreths higher.) Regular-season record: 66-16. Result: NBA champion.

3. Chicago Bulls, 1995-’96…. +12.2. Regular-season record: 72-10. Result: NBA champion.

4. Milwaukee Bucks, 1971-72…. +11.2. Regular-season record: 63-19. Result: Lost in West finals to the No. 1 team on this list.

5. Chicago Bulls, 1996-’97… +10.8. Regular-season record: 69-13. Result: NBA champion.

6. Chicago Bulls, 1991-’92… +10.4. Regular-season record: 67-15. Result: NBA champion.

7. Boston Celtics, 2007-’08…. +10.3. Regular-season record: 66-16. Result: NBA champion.

Warriors 2014-2015 +10.1 Regular Season record 67-15: Currently in NBA Finals.

 

 

 
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again,i still like the warriors to come thru,scalabrine...but to suggest they are anything close to a lock is incredibly naiive and sumthing i wudnt expect from you,given that you know all about bad beats and the wacky,unexpected way things can unfold in sports...even without a crazy sequence of events or critical injury it is still possible the warriors shrink and cavaliers continue to play above themselves.

the odds are -237/+211...does that really suggest to you a landslide victory??...if the cavs were without much chance then the books have completely and utterly coc.ked up their jobs.....why wudnt they be -500 or worse??
 
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Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:

again,i still like the warriors to come thru,scalabrine...but to suggest they are anything close to a lock is incredibly naiive and sumthing i wudnt expect from you,given that you know all about bad beats and the wacky,unexpected way things can unfold in sports...even without a crazy sequence of events or critical injury it is still possible the warriors shrink and cavaliers continue to play above themselves.

the odds are -237/+211...does that really suggest to you a landslide victory??...if the cavs were without much chance then the books have completely and utterly coc.ked up their jobs.....why wudnt they be -500 or worse??

 

Never said they were a lock Melos...

I said I was 'confident in my position'...

 
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OH my how could anyone think Lebron would not be playing in the finals? He could have been on the court with four 50 year old men and would still be in the finals. This is show business all sports are. Lebron is not only the main attraction, he is the only attraction. As he gets older and starts to fade away think Jordan, Kobe the NBA will come up with another iconic player. I mean really Does anyone here think that one Player on Atlanta will make the NBA HOF? Ask everyone you know name one player on Atlanta answer ! Ask anyone have you heard of Lebron, again asking without even his last name. I do not know who the NBA wants to win the trophy but they sure wanted Lebron from day one when he arrived back in Cleveland. What the NBA wants they get.
 
 
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Exactly what gotime says -- and scal look at the projected refs

Tony Brothers
Mike Callahan
Danny Crawford
Joey Crawford
Marc Davis
Scott Foster
Ed Malloy
Ken Mauer
Monty McCutchen
Jason Phillips
Derrick Stafford
Tom Washington

It is variably a who's who of Cavs and LeBron refs!  Even if you tried making 6 different crews out of that bunch that might favor the Warriors you couldn't with their ATS and SU trends for LeBron and the Cavs.  The Warriors are toast and LeBron takes on one more SI cover this year.

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