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    RAPTORS VS. HEAT: Round 2 - Series Bet

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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 12:23 AM ET #1

    2016 Record: 12-2

    HEAT +130 to win the series

    Yes, I know this opened higher but this is the line now. Who cares what line I got? This is the one you are looking at now and I'm offering the Heat as a pick.

    Why?

    1. Kyle Lowry

    Bottom line: The guy is injured. He was injured last year vs. the Wizards and they smoked the Raps in 4, in part, because of it.

    Not only is he injured but he aggravated the injury in game 7. He's had one decent game in his last 16 games. 

    His series stats? 13.9 pts. 31.6% shooting. 16.3% 3pt-FG!!!

    Folks they aren't winning because of him, they are winning in spite of him.

    16 games of below average play screams things will stay status quo or get worse, plain and simple. And you can't have that happen in later playoff rounds.

    2. Kyle Lowry and Demar Derozan

    Lowry again? Yes. Because he's a dynamic duo with Derozan.

    You want to take the Raptors? Well here is what you are getting from your two best players in the playoffs.

    The combined averages of the two during the regular season:

    44.7 Pts; 43.6% FG; 36.3% 3Pt FG; 9.2 Reb

    The last 7 playoff games?

    31.8 Pts; 31.7% FG; 16.5% 3 Pt FG; 7.7 Reb

    That is an extraordinarily troubling drop-off.

    The only reason the Raps are winning is because they have a much deeper bench this year. Biyambo; Joseph; Powell; Patterson. These guys are coming up big.

    But I said it before and I'll say it again: this is a league of stars. Your stars will get you to the promised land and the more you depend on role players for the bulk of your output, the less good fortune you'll find in the playoffs.

    3. Game 7

    Well let's look at the respective Game 7's. It could be argued the Heat had a tougher draw and record-wise and seeding-wise.

    The problem was that Indy looked as good as the Raptors did all series and it came down to the very last possession to decide it.

    Now how did the Heat close out their series against a gutsy and talented Hornets team?

    A 33 point shellacking...the 5th largest win in a game 7 ever.

    What does that speak to? Experience. Tradition. Culture. Championships. Talent. Will to win.

    All of which the Raptors had less of and in some areas, none of, and it showed.

    Did you watch their game 7 folks? Yes they had big leads. But as you expected, they gave it all away because they had the 15 year losing streak in the first round on their shoulders. They are young, inexperienced and got tight at the wrong time (and didn't cover). And they had some nice home cooking with the refs as the NBA admitted to a call that should have went the Pacers way late (with Mahinmi).

    A highlight: 4/20 shooting in the 4th. Every possession waiting until the last 5 seconds to move the ball. Do that against Miami and you will pay dearly.

    4. Joe Johnson

    This is a footnote in the series but noticeable nonetheless. The last time Derozan and Johnson went head to head in the playoffs? Nets Vs. Raps which the Nets took in 7 in 2014.

    While Johnson has slowed, this series certainly can spark some confidence in him as he average 21.9 in that series. This is a possible psychological motivator and confidence builder the JJ when the Heat need it most.

    5. Hassan Whiteside

    The Raps love to go inside and this guy his a whole different ballgame in comparison to Mahinmi.

    Not only that, but Miami was a rebounding leviathan with him on the floor towards the end of that series. In games 4-7 they outrebound the Hornets +10, +9, +15, +22!

    Derozan and Lowry will have a much tougher time with their traditional games of driving to the hoop and will lean on mid-range jumpers and threes more which they haven't been hitting.

    6. Experience

    Raptors - 2 playoff series wins in 21 years.

    Heat? Do we even need to go through it? This is a comment on culture. This is a winning culture and that matters.

    Heat - 630 games of playoff experience vs. 260 for the Raptors. That matter folks.

    7. Intangibles

    - The hangover effect from the Raptors win. Although the Heat have one day to travel, the Raps had the late game while the Heat played at 1 pm. They have the entire day to cool down while the Raps still may be on cloud nine today after the biggest win their franchise history.

    - Dragic, the guy the Heat brought in precisely for this series (to get back to glory), had 25 last game, a revelation from someone who was underperforming, stepping up in the biggest of spots.

    - Both these teams have identical almost records since Feb 28th 17-8 (Raps) vs. 16-8 (Heat). Therefore, they both are on even footing and with Lowry injured, the Heat have an advantage in terms of momentum

    - The Lebron effect. You know this Heat team is fully confident it can go toe to tow with the Cavs in the ECF. That will motivate them even more. Imagine losing Lebron and knocking out Lebron and the Cavs to go to the Finals. That's almost as good as a championship they almost certainly couldn't win this year against the West.

    - Raps went 3-1 against the Heat during the regular season but never faced a fully healthy Heat team. 

    - Does Bosh get on the floor against his former team as he's campaigning for? Probably not, but if there's a slim possibility he does, more advantage to the Heat.

    This is not a Raptors team that can win the East. They lose here or to the Cavs. And after their first playoff win in 21 years, their season is already a success. While Paul George will no longer be a lockdown defender against the Raps, we have Wade and company and an experience class to take this bet home. Only need to go 1-1 in the the first two to get an advantage so this bet can be sized up after Game 2.

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    2016 Record: 12-2

    HEAT +130 to win the series

    Yes, I know this opened higher but this is the line now. Who cares what line I got? This is the one you are looking at now and I'm offering the Heat as a pick.

    Why?

    1. Kyle Lowry

    Bottom line: The guy is injured. He was injured last year vs. the Wizards and they smoked the Raps in 4, in part, because of it.

    Not only is he injured but he aggravated the injury in game 7. He's had one decent game in his last 16 games. 

    His series stats? 13.9 pts. 31.6% shooting. 16.3% 3pt-FG!!!

    Folks they aren't winning because of him, they are winning in spite of him.

    16 games of below average play screams things will stay status quo or get worse, plain and simple. And you can't have that happen in later playoff rounds.

    2. Kyle Lowry and Demar Derozan

    Lowry again? Yes. Because he's a dynamic duo with Derozan.

    You want to take the Raptors? Well here is what you are getting from your two best players in the playoffs.

    The combined averages of the two during the regular season:

    44.7 Pts; 43.6% FG; 36.3% 3Pt FG; 9.2 Reb

    The last 7 playoff games?

    31.8 Pts; 31.7% FG; 16.5% 3 Pt FG; 7.7 Reb

    That is an extraordinarily troubling drop-off.

    The only reason the Raps are winning is because they have a much deeper bench this year. Biyambo; Joseph; Powell; Patterson. These guys are coming up big.

    But I said it before and I'll say it again: this is a league of stars. Your stars will get you to the promised land and the more you depend on role players for the bulk of your output, the less good fortune you'll find in the playoffs.

    3. Game 7

    Well let's look at the respective Game 7's. It could be argued the Heat had a tougher draw and record-wise and seeding-wise.

    The problem was that Indy looked as good as the Raptors did all series and it came down to the very last possession to decide it.

    Now how did the Heat close out their series against a gutsy and talented Hornets team?

    A 33 point shellacking...the 5th largest win in a game 7 ever.

    What does that speak to? Experience. Tradition. Culture. Championships. Talent. Will to win.

    All of which the Raptors had less of and in some areas, none of, and it showed.

    Did you watch their game 7 folks? Yes they had big leads. But as you expected, they gave it all away because they had the 15 year losing streak in the first round on their shoulders. They are young, inexperienced and got tight at the wrong time (and didn't cover). And they had some nice home cooking with the refs as the NBA admitted to a call that should have went the Pacers way late (with Mahinmi).

    A highlight: 4/20 shooting in the 4th. Every possession waiting until the last 5 seconds to move the ball. Do that against Miami and you will pay dearly.

    4. Joe Johnson

    This is a footnote in the series but noticeable nonetheless. The last time Derozan and Johnson went head to head in the playoffs? Nets Vs. Raps which the Nets took in 7 in 2014.

    While Johnson has slowed, this series certainly can spark some confidence in him as he average 21.9 in that series. This is a possible psychological motivator and confidence builder the JJ when the Heat need it most.

    5. Hassan Whiteside

    The Raps love to go inside and this guy his a whole different ballgame in comparison to Mahinmi.

    Not only that, but Miami was a rebounding leviathan with him on the floor towards the end of that series. In games 4-7 they outrebound the Hornets +10, +9, +15, +22!

    Derozan and Lowry will have a much tougher time with their traditional games of driving to the hoop and will lean on mid-range jumpers and threes more which they haven't been hitting.

    6. Experience

    Raptors - 2 playoff series wins in 21 years.

    Heat? Do we even need to go through it? This is a comment on culture. This is a winning culture and that matters.

    Heat - 630 games of playoff experience vs. 260 for the Raptors. That matter folks.

    7. Intangibles

    - The hangover effect from the Raptors win. Although the Heat have one day to travel, the Raps had the late game while the Heat played at 1 pm. They have the entire day to cool down while the Raps still may be on cloud nine today after the biggest win their franchise history.

    - Dragic, the guy the Heat brought in precisely for this series (to get back to glory), had 25 last game, a revelation from someone who was underperforming, stepping up in the biggest of spots.

    - Both these teams have identical almost records since Feb 28th 17-8 (Raps) vs. 16-8 (Heat). Therefore, they both are on even footing and with Lowry injured, the Heat have an advantage in terms of momentum

    - The Lebron effect. You know this Heat team is fully confident it can go toe to tow with the Cavs in the ECF. That will motivate them even more. Imagine losing Lebron and knocking out Lebron and the Cavs to go to the Finals. That's almost as good as a championship they almost certainly couldn't win this year against the West.

    - Raps went 3-1 against the Heat during the regular season but never faced a fully healthy Heat team. 

    - Does Bosh get on the floor against his former team as he's campaigning for? Probably not, but if there's a slim possibility he does, more advantage to the Heat.

    This is not a Raptors team that can win the East. They lose here or to the Cavs. And after their first playoff win in 21 years, their season is already a success. While Paul George will no longer be a lockdown defender against the Raps, we have Wade and company and an experience class to take this bet home. Only need to go 1-1 in the the first two to get an advantage so this bet can be sized up after Game 2.

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 1:11 AM ET #3

    Who do u like in game 1
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 1:21 AM ET #4

    great write up! agree with your 6+intangible reasons on why the Heats will win the series!

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    great write up! agree with your 6+intangible reasons on why the Heats will win the series!

     
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    If Raptor wins game 1, im gonna double up on my series bet. Got it at +140, im sure it'll be over +200 if Heat lose. 

    Would not be surprised if Heat steal game 1 just like Indiana did. The league would like to see D. Wade vs Lebron in the ECF. 
    Sip on that plus money honey!
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    If Raptor wins game 1, im gonna double up on my series bet. Got it at +140, im sure it'll be over +200 if Heat lose. 

    Would not be surprised if Heat steal game 1 just like Indiana did. The league would like to see D. Wade vs Lebron in the ECF. 
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 1:40 AM ET #6

    this bet looks too easy.   heat are far and away the better team and yet they are underdogs
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    this bet looks too easy.   heat are far and away the better team and yet they are underdogs
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 1:47 AM ET #7

    If there was such thing as easy money, this is the closest it's gonna get 4-1 or 4-2 series 
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    If there was such thing as easy money, this is the closest it's gonna get 4-1 or 4-2 series 
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 3:06 AM ET #8

    On them at +135...let's do it! 
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    On them at +135...let's do it! 
     
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    nice....this stands out like a dogs balls in terms of value...i personally see the heat as slight favourites so catching good plus odds is solid.....only thing counting against them is homecourt but even then toronto has shown its home advantage to be extremely weak in recent history,no matter how wild the crowds may get.

    ya didnt even have to talk me into this one..
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    nice....this stands out like a dogs balls in terms of value...i personally see the heat as slight favourites so catching good plus odds is solid.....only thing counting against them is homecourt but even then toronto has shown its home advantage to be extremely weak in recent history,no matter how wild the crowds may get.

    ya didnt even have to talk me into this one..
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 3:27 AM ET #10

    Let Toronto take game 1 then bet the series for the Heat to win,, this is what I plan on doing.. Tomorrow Toronto should win and cover ATS. 
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    Let Toronto take game 1 then bet the series for the Heat to win,, this is what I plan on doing.. Tomorrow Toronto should win and cover ATS. 
     
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    That's exactly what I was going to say...why not wait until game 2 to bet Miami and get a better payout.

    Or if you think they win game 1, just bet them ML for game 1 and you get about the same payout and you only need to win 1 game, not 4.
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    That's exactly what I was going to say...why not wait until game 2 to bet Miami and get a better payout.

    Or if you think they win game 1, just bet them ML for game 1 and you get about the same payout and you only need to win 1 game, not 4.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 7:49 AM ET #12

    good stuff scal I really liked Toronto game one now im
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    good stuff scal I really liked Toronto game one now im
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgmprofits:

    That's exactly what I was going to say...why not wait until game 2 to bet Miami and get a better payout.

    Or if you think they win game 1, just bet them ML for game 1 and you get about the same payout and you only need to win 1 game, not 4.

    always love your logic, i think the best odds for this series bet is when toronto up 2-0 going to miami!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgmprofits:

    That's exactly what I was going to say...why not wait until game 2 to bet Miami and get a better payout.

    Or if you think they win game 1, just bet them ML for game 1 and you get about the same payout and you only need to win 1 game, not 4.

    always love your logic, i think the best odds for this series bet is when toronto up 2-0 going to miami!!!!!
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 2:52 PM ET #14

    I agree.  Love the Heat in this series.  I will probably bet them ML each game.  Think I'll be able to get better value than the series price.  
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    I agree.  Love the Heat in this series.  I will probably bet them ML each game.  Think I'll be able to get better value than the series price.  
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 3:47 PM ET #15

    Since I have nothing else to root for in the NBA and no interest in capping the games, I will tag along.  Got +135.  

    BOL.........
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    Since I have nothing else to root for in the NBA and no interest in capping the games, I will tag along.  Got +135.  

    BOL.........
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 3:55 PM ET #16

    This guy has been pretty good:

    Great chance here for Miami to take home court advantage right away from Toronto, as Miami is fresh off a Game 6 road win at Charlotte, and a Game 7 home blowout win over the Hornets on Sunday and should be raring to go against a Toronto team that nearly wet the bed in Game 7 on Sunday against Indiana.


    The Raptors won their first playoff series in over a decade on Sunday, but it sure wasn't pretty. Toronto netted just 11 measly points in the 4th quarter of their 89-84 win, and they failed to cover the impost as the home chalk.


    Yes, the Raptors have won 3 straight and 5 of the last 6 in this series both straight up and against the spread, but those are regular season meetings. This is the postseason, and I have a feeling the home team tonight spent a little too much time celebrating on Sunday after slipping past the Pacers.


    I like the points here, and for the record I think Miami can win this one outright.


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    This guy has been pretty good:

    Great chance here for Miami to take home court advantage right away from Toronto, as Miami is fresh off a Game 6 road win at Charlotte, and a Game 7 home blowout win over the Hornets on Sunday and should be raring to go against a Toronto team that nearly wet the bed in Game 7 on Sunday against Indiana.


    The Raptors won their first playoff series in over a decade on Sunday, but it sure wasn't pretty. Toronto netted just 11 measly points in the 4th quarter of their 89-84 win, and they failed to cover the impost as the home chalk.


    Yes, the Raptors have won 3 straight and 5 of the last 6 in this series both straight up and against the spread, but those are regular season meetings. This is the postseason, and I have a feeling the home team tonight spent a little too much time celebrating on Sunday after slipping past the Pacers.


    I like the points here, and for the record I think Miami can win this one outright.


     
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    Glad your on the same page as me. Already took them and posted a few days ago. Also have them game 1
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    Glad your on the same page as me. Already took them and posted a few days ago. Also have them game 1
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:

    I agree.  Love the Heat in this series.  I will probably bet them ML each game.  Think I'll be able to get better value than the series price.  


    Papa, who do you like in the SpursOKC series?  I think I saw you mentioned that you like the Spurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:

    I agree.  Love the Heat in this series.  I will probably bet them ML each game.  Think I'll be able to get better value than the series price.  


    Papa, who do you like in the SpursOKC series?  I think I saw you mentioned that you like the Spurs.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 6:02 PM ET #20

    Agree with this bet as with Miami +4,5 tonight!
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    Agree with this bet as with Miami +4,5 tonight!
     
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    Craptors Blow chunks and you are correct Sir 
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    Craptors Blow chunks and you are correct Sir 
     
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    Well guys, we are all in agreement here. Looks like the books are gonna get mauled on this one.


    I don't want to say the series is over but if you can't win in OT after a shot like that, what do you need to win?

    And Lowry...another disasterous night. 3/13 for 7 pts; 3 of the 7 coming on the miracle of miracles!

    I'd bench him at this point. I'm serious. Put Joseph in the backcourt with Derozan. Casey won't do it though. Fine with me. More money for us. A fully healthy Lowry? Everything is different. This Lowry? You know where my money is.

    Congrats to those who bet Miami Game 1 (Papa, others). I'm fine with the + money for the series.
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    Well guys, we are all in agreement here. Looks like the books are gonna get mauled on this one.


    I don't want to say the series is over but if you can't win in OT after a shot like that, what do you need to win?

    And Lowry...another disasterous night. 3/13 for 7 pts; 3 of the 7 coming on the miracle of miracles!

    I'd bench him at this point. I'm serious. Put Joseph in the backcourt with Derozan. Casey won't do it though. Fine with me. More money for us. A fully healthy Lowry? Everything is different. This Lowry? You know where my money is.

    Congrats to those who bet Miami Game 1 (Papa, others). I'm fine with the + money for the series.
     
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    cheers scal... i bomb syriansoldier post... not a good idea but im fine as long as i keep on winning
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    cheers scal... i bomb syriansoldier post... not a good idea but im fine as long as i keep on winning
     
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    Casey tonight on Lowry: "Hitters go through slumps. He's gonna snap out of it."

    Folks, it's been 17 games worth of slump and that quote is music to my ears.

    As expected, Casey will not bench Lowry. Expect more of the same next game.

    This is exactly what happened against the Wizards when they were swept last year. Lowry wasn't right, as he isn't now, and the ball runs through him to the entire team. Ultimately they will lose the series because of it.
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    Casey tonight on Lowry: "Hitters go through slumps. He's gonna snap out of it."

    Folks, it's been 17 games worth of slump and that quote is music to my ears.

    As expected, Casey will not bench Lowry. Expect more of the same next game.

    This is exactly what happened against the Wizards when they were swept last year. Lowry wasn't right, as he isn't now, and the ball runs through him to the entire team. Ultimately they will lose the series because of it.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Casey tonight on Lowry: "Hitters go through slumps. He's gonna snap out of it."

    Folks, it's been 17 games worth of slump and that quote is music to my ears.

    As expected, Casey will not bench Lowry. Expect more of the same next game.

    This is exactly what happened against the Wizards when they were swept last year. Lowry wasn't right, as he isn't now, and the ball runs through him to the entire team. Ultimately they will lose the series because of it.

    thanks for your insight.

    3 more wins!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Casey tonight on Lowry: "Hitters go through slumps. He's gonna snap out of it."

    Folks, it's been 17 games worth of slump and that quote is music to my ears.

    As expected, Casey will not bench Lowry. Expect more of the same next game.

    This is exactly what happened against the Wizards when they were swept last year. Lowry wasn't right, as he isn't now, and the ball runs through him to the entire team. Ultimately they will lose the series because of it.

    thanks for your insight.

    3 more wins!
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