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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 1:33 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by sportschat:

    @vanzack  just bc they are big games doesn't mean bet the hell out 'em unless there is an edge. Discipline is the name of the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by sportschat:

    @vanzack  just bc they are big games doesn't mean bet the hell out 'em unless there is an edge. Discipline is the name of the game

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 1:35 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by anNFLfan:

    @vanzack  I really enjoyed your analysis, thank you. What are your thought on under play in SF game and over play in KC game ?

    I like them both - but my analysis puts primary emphasis on winners and spreads.  The secondary output is overs and unders.  So results are less precise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anNFLfan:

    @vanzack  I really enjoyed your analysis, thank you. What are your thought on under play in SF game and over play in KC game ?

    I like them both - but my analysis puts primary emphasis on winners and spreads.  The secondary output is overs and unders.  So results are less precise.

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 1:36 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:

    Similar thoughts as far as risk and exposure...tough betting into 2-game slate the book can hyper-focus on, especially with these tight spreads   Was interesting to see how efficient these 4 teams are on 3rd down  and how that relates to winning. Whoever wins the 3rd down battle has a huge edge    Similar cap on cin/kc...another 1 possession game   Sf/phi I got as a toss up....can Purdy keep going, eagles should get pressure and force him into a mistake...but can they capitalize when/if he does make a mistake? Agree 49ers should go run heavy.  Think hurts will take some chances down the field. He usually tries 2-3 shots down the field a game to brown or smith and as you say that is where 9ers are weakest. If we see this hopefully eagles staff does and dials up a few calls Thinking turnovers and 3rd down performance will play a huge factor    Gl sunday

    Philly will definitely take shots downfield....  If Hurts has time to let his receivers get downfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:

    Similar thoughts as far as risk and exposure...tough betting into 2-game slate the book can hyper-focus on, especially with these tight spreads   Was interesting to see how efficient these 4 teams are on 3rd down  and how that relates to winning. Whoever wins the 3rd down battle has a huge edge    Similar cap on cin/kc...another 1 possession game   Sf/phi I got as a toss up....can Purdy keep going, eagles should get pressure and force him into a mistake...but can they capitalize when/if he does make a mistake? Agree 49ers should go run heavy.  Think hurts will take some chances down the field. He usually tries 2-3 shots down the field a game to brown or smith and as you say that is where 9ers are weakest. If we see this hopefully eagles staff does and dials up a few calls Thinking turnovers and 3rd down performance will play a huge factor    Gl sunday

    Philly will definitely take shots downfield....  If Hurts has time to let his receivers get downfield.

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 1:37 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by dr tony:

    @vanzack   I will fight the urge to give WWE or Skip Bayless type of hyperbolic write ups in favor of realistic expectations.  These are not games I will have very much money on.  I realize that the gravity of these two games will likely have most sports gamblers betting way too much and frothing at the mouth - but that is not the way I roll.  I cant make big value where there is little.  Just plain facts.  Van  this is pure covers gold and I hope the kids take your advice havnt even read who you are taking but this is exactly how i feel the 4 best teams are here and anyone could win small leans to Bengals and Eagles for me- but concerned because those 2 both looked more impressive  in their wins last week and there could be some recency bias per se if these games were on neutral fields almost feel like both games would be at a pick em best of luck!

    I feel like that is the most important of everything I posted, and will get the least attention.

    People will pick out a phrase of how I think the game will go rather than the above idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr tony:

    @vanzack   I will fight the urge to give WWE or Skip Bayless type of hyperbolic write ups in favor of realistic expectations.  These are not games I will have very much money on.  I realize that the gravity of these two games will likely have most sports gamblers betting way too much and frothing at the mouth - but that is not the way I roll.  I cant make big value where there is little.  Just plain facts.  Van  this is pure covers gold and I hope the kids take your advice havnt even read who you are taking but this is exactly how i feel the 4 best teams are here and anyone could win small leans to Bengals and Eagles for me- but concerned because those 2 both looked more impressive  in their wins last week and there could be some recency bias per se if these games were on neutral fields almost feel like both games would be at a pick em best of luck!

    I feel like that is the most important of everything I posted, and will get the least attention.

    People will pick out a phrase of how I think the game will go rather than the above idea.

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 1:40 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by szhcik:

    if the spreads are so tight why take the points never unnerstoodat...

    Well....

    Because at current lines there is a 43.5% chance of the Niners coving the ML, and a 49.5% chance of covering +2.5%.

    You can say that the spread wont matter all you want....  It is kind of like saying at a craps table "he will never roll snake eyes" - but there is roughly a 6% chance that the Eagles win and the Niners cover.

    Thats why you take the points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szhcik:

    if the spreads are so tight why take the points never unnerstoodat...

    Well....

    Because at current lines there is a 43.5% chance of the Niners coving the ML, and a 49.5% chance of covering +2.5%.

    You can say that the spread wont matter all you want....  It is kind of like saying at a craps table "he will never roll snake eyes" - but there is roughly a 6% chance that the Eagles win and the Niners cover.

    Thats why you take the points.

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 1:41 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

    Smart man, these aren't 2 games to spend the mortgage on. But some people will. Here's a little something I found interesting, as the perception of all 4 teams runs offense is probably different from the #'s. Top run offenses(weighted) including the playoffs: Eagles #1 at 17.1% Bengals #2 at 9.9% Chiefs #10 at 2.1% 49ers #13 at -0.2% I'm rooting for the Eagles and Bengals because of how my futures are laying. A KC win wouldn't hurt me. I got none on the Niners. I will not play any side this weekend, it'd be pointless for me. Best of Luck

    Good info

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    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

    Smart man, these aren't 2 games to spend the mortgage on. But some people will. Here's a little something I found interesting, as the perception of all 4 teams runs offense is probably different from the #'s. Top run offenses(weighted) including the playoffs: Eagles #1 at 17.1% Bengals #2 at 9.9% Chiefs #10 at 2.1% 49ers #13 at -0.2% I'm rooting for the Eagles and Bengals because of how my futures are laying. A KC win wouldn't hurt me. I got none on the Niners. I will not play any side this weekend, it'd be pointless for me. Best of Luck

    Good info

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 1:42 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by ChOmP:

    @vanzack Are you at all concerned that the Bengals are still banged up on Oline.. The chiefs rank pretty high in sacks and pressures quarterback hits.. Chris Jones is really good and he does tend to get doubled but I think they’re going to have trouble this time around.. all the wins have been by 3 points.. my rule of thumb as far as playoffs go I have always felt strong about Olines being healthy.. this could become an issue.. the attention is strictly on the quarterbacks.. just feel like of any matchups especially this one when both teams are healthy the Bengals have won by 3 and one of those games was a Travis kelce fumble late.. That bills game is definitely not a great game to base the bengals performance overall especially since the previous week they won by Luck against the Ravens.. Good Luck Van  much respect for your analysis throughout the season great Job this year

    Sure I am.  But as I stated, I have adapted a little bit away from the Bengals O line narrative that I have been telling for 1+ years now.  Burrow has proven me wrong over and over and over.

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    @vanzack Are you at all concerned that the Bengals are still banged up on Oline.. The chiefs rank pretty high in sacks and pressures quarterback hits.. Chris Jones is really good and he does tend to get doubled but I think they’re going to have trouble this time around.. all the wins have been by 3 points.. my rule of thumb as far as playoffs go I have always felt strong about Olines being healthy.. this could become an issue.. the attention is strictly on the quarterbacks.. just feel like of any matchups especially this one when both teams are healthy the Bengals have won by 3 and one of those games was a Travis kelce fumble late.. That bills game is definitely not a great game to base the bengals performance overall especially since the previous week they won by Luck against the Ravens.. Good Luck Van  much respect for your analysis throughout the season great Job this year

    Sure I am.  But as I stated, I have adapted a little bit away from the Bengals O line narrative that I have been telling for 1+ years now.  Burrow has proven me wrong over and over and over.

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 1:45 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseOperator:

    NOTHING about the weather in this.

    That is correct.  And by design.

    I am not a meteorologist.  I am also not someone who has the ability to correctly quantify the effect of different types of weather on a games outcome.

    I realize everyone at covers looks at weather and speculates on how it will affect the game.  Show me the data.  Show me how it affects the game.  Show me what weather affects what aspects of the game.

    Until then - I keep an eye on weather like everyone else - but unless it is extreme (which it is not in these 2 games) - I have it as factor 101 on my list of 100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseOperator:

    NOTHING about the weather in this.

    That is correct.  And by design.

    I am not a meteorologist.  I am also not someone who has the ability to correctly quantify the effect of different types of weather on a games outcome.

    I realize everyone at covers looks at weather and speculates on how it will affect the game.  Show me the data.  Show me how it affects the game.  Show me what weather affects what aspects of the game.

    Until then - I keep an eye on weather like everyone else - but unless it is extreme (which it is not in these 2 games) - I have it as factor 101 on my list of 100.

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 1:54 PM ET #34

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     Chiefs defense is predicated on stopping the run. Their secondary is weaker than buffalo’s and buffalo got shredded. 

    I have cinci vs sf sb matchp ticket at almost +1400, hedged to ensure positive equity no matter what happens. 

    Burrow gets the ball out as fast as Brady, that’s why the non existent bills pass rush sans von miller wasnt a factor and why it was an overstated “factor in the bills favour”. While KC’s pass rush I predict will be a little more effective than Buffalo’s, Burrow’s speed at processing decisions quickly thru his progressions is the great equalizer.

    Eagles looked great last week, but Niners formula to winning is running it down their throats which is philly’s relative weakness. BOL

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     Chiefs defense is predicated on stopping the run. Their secondary is weaker than buffalo’s and buffalo got shredded. 

    I have cinci vs sf sb matchp ticket at almost +1400, hedged to ensure positive equity no matter what happens. 

    Burrow gets the ball out as fast as Brady, that’s why the non existent bills pass rush sans von miller wasnt a factor and why it was an overstated “factor in the bills favour”. While KC’s pass rush I predict will be a little more effective than Buffalo’s, Burrow’s speed at processing decisions quickly thru his progressions is the great equalizer.

    Eagles looked great last week, but Niners formula to winning is running it down their throats which is philly’s relative weakness. BOL

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseOperator:

    @vanzack  Ok Nothing to see. I don’t have any data. we can just dismiss it for any outdoor football games

    Lets start with this....

    Tell me how the weather is going to affect this game.

    GO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseOperator:

    @vanzack  Ok Nothing to see. I don’t have any data. we can just dismiss it for any outdoor football games

    Lets start with this....

    Tell me how the weather is going to affect this game.

    GO.

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    55 n philly during the day on Sunday..cool

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    @IntenseOperator

     Why are you so worried that he ISN'T worried about the weather on HIS bets? 

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     BOL this weekend. Not too sure I will play the games. But lean Cincy and 49ers

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     Why are you so worried that he ISN'T worried about the weather on HIS bets? 

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     BOL this weekend. Not too sure I will play the games. But lean Cincy and 49ers

     
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     an_cry It's a forum. Correct? 

    Didn't mean you cry and get all upset

     

    Sorry Van peace_5

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     an_cry It's a forum. Correct? 

    Didn't mean you cry and get all upset

     

    Sorry Van peace_5

     
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    GL clover@vanzackpeace_5

    Either way I’m taking the +pts @ a premium, Flip a coin & Tight as a Water Crabs a*s*s an_2drinks

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    GL clover@vanzackpeace_5

    Either way I’m taking the +pts @ a premium, Flip a coin & Tight as a Water Crabs a*s*s an_2drinks

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    @vanzack

     If you care to make a pitt stop at the bat cave, there are some random scribbles on the wall.

    Maybe they mean something, maybe they don't. 

    peace_5

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     If you care to make a pitt stop at the bat cave, there are some random scribbles on the wall.

    Maybe they mean something, maybe they don't. 

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 2:56 PM ET #41

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 2:58 PM ET #42

    @IntenseOperator

     cannae remember that dudues na,e he was brilliant...summiy oot a nuttin...bigsmile

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     cannae remember that dudues na,e he was brilliant...summiy oot a nuttin...bigsmile

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 2:59 PM ET #43

    @IntenseOperator

     han_roll_laugh u reoo i,

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     han_roll_laugh u reoo i,

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseOperator:

    Quote Originally Posted by wmi799: @IntenseOperator  Why are you so worried that he ISN'T worried about the weather on HIS bets? Nun of your fn business  Not what I brought up regardless

    Are you angry about the weather?

    You are definitely an intense operator.

    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseOperator:

    Quote Originally Posted by wmi799: @IntenseOperator  Why are you so worried that he ISN'T worried about the weather on HIS bets? Nun of your fn business  Not what I brought up regardless

    Are you angry about the weather?

    You are definitely an intense operator.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 3:41 PM ET #45

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     Good luck bro. I’m on the same 2 games with you.  

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     Good luck bro. I’m on the same 2 games with you.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseOperator: @vanzack  Ok Nothing to see. I don’t have any data. we can just dismiss it for any outdoor football games Lets start with this.... Tell me how the weather is going to affect this game. GO.

     

    it won't...mid 50's at kickoff to mid 40's by 4th, some clouds and 10+ish mph wind

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseOperator: @vanzack  Ok Nothing to see. I don’t have any data. we can just dismiss it for any outdoor football games Lets start with this.... Tell me how the weather is going to affect this game. GO.

     

    it won't...mid 50's at kickoff to mid 40's by 4th, some clouds and 10+ish mph wind

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 3:49 PM ET #47

    So many of these games are decided by events that can't be handicapped such as turnovers, penalties (both called and non-called), and in-game injuries. Even great analysts such as Van can't script these into their decisions. Not getting tempted into playing big on these games is great advice.

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    So many of these games are decided by events that can't be handicapped such as turnovers, penalties (both called and non-called), and in-game injuries. Even great analysts such as Van can't script these into their decisions. Not getting tempted into playing big on these games is great advice.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 4:07 PM ET #48

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     Just thought I would throw this out...go to NFL.com and click on teams..select Cin and read what Cin coach says about his QB playing in cold weather....hope this helps

     

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     Just thought I would throw this out...go to NFL.com and click on teams..select Cin and read what Cin coach says about his QB playing in cold weather....hope this helps

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 4:28 PM ET #49

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Quote Originally Posted by sportschat: @vanzack  just bc they are big games doesn't mean bet the hell out 'em unless there is an edge. Discipline is the name of the game Bingo

    This is all true, but the caveat is just because one gambler or handicapper can’t find an edge it doesn’t mean an edge doesn’t exist. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Quote Originally Posted by sportschat: @vanzack  just bc they are big games doesn't mean bet the hell out 'em unless there is an edge. Discipline is the name of the game Bingo

    This is all true, but the caveat is just because one gambler or handicapper can’t find an edge it doesn’t mean an edge doesn’t exist. peace_5

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2023 - 4:40 PM ET #50

    Great info & BOL to you on your plays!  an_cheers

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    Great info & BOL to you on your plays!  an_cheers

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