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    depeche2
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 4:20 PM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie2Times:



    I think your analyzing this way to much. The Bears allow pass yards, can't score in the red zone, are not balanced offensively. Martz is pass obsessed. Cutler nearly gave the game away yesterday several times and was pressured relentlessly (in part to Martz 15 step drops). This was the statement game for them, and just like the rest of the year they barely won.

    Sure the general logic is that they got lucky, but you will still see a higher percentage of plays for the Bears on the consensus with movement against that on the line.

    Yes the Giants have problems, in the locker room and on the field. But they've moved the ball well vs the Titans, just took a ton of turnovers and penalties. Eli's INT's have had several deflections this year. They just keep making mistakes. Could keep going? Sure. But when you think about the situiation.......

    Bears short week, off a huge monday night win, home to away. 3-0.

    Giants off huge home loss, one they should have likely won. A week prior the public spanking vs the Colts. Fever pitch in New York right now over the HC and Team. Now this alone is money enough, but you put it on Sunday night and it puts it over the edge.

    The G-men know 1 win puts them back in the race and silences the critics. They have a chance to do this against the undefeated Bears and trust me the Giants won't enter this game thinking the Bears are lucky, they will only see 3-0 and a chance to right the ship.          


    A lot of the good teams are pass-obsessed.  That's the league these days.  What makes you think the Giants won't be plagued again by penalties and turnovers?  The Bears are very opportunistic that way.  Looking at the spread/total it looks like we're calling for the Giants to score 24.  I don't understand why.  Packers and Cowboys (and Lions) couldn't score 24.  Why Giants?  Bears and under 44.  Another score like yesterday, 20-17 one way or the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie2Times:



    I think your analyzing this way to much. The Bears allow pass yards, can't score in the red zone, are not balanced offensively. Martz is pass obsessed. Cutler nearly gave the game away yesterday several times and was pressured relentlessly (in part to Martz 15 step drops). This was the statement game for them, and just like the rest of the year they barely won.

    Sure the general logic is that they got lucky, but you will still see a higher percentage of plays for the Bears on the consensus with movement against that on the line.

    Yes the Giants have problems, in the locker room and on the field. But they've moved the ball well vs the Titans, just took a ton of turnovers and penalties. Eli's INT's have had several deflections this year. They just keep making mistakes. Could keep going? Sure. But when you think about the situiation.......

    Bears short week, off a huge monday night win, home to away. 3-0.

    Giants off huge home loss, one they should have likely won. A week prior the public spanking vs the Colts. Fever pitch in New York right now over the HC and Team. Now this alone is money enough, but you put it on Sunday night and it puts it over the edge.

    The G-men know 1 win puts them back in the race and silences the critics. They have a chance to do this against the undefeated Bears and trust me the Giants won't enter this game thinking the Bears are lucky, they will only see 3-0 and a chance to right the ship.          


    A lot of the good teams are pass-obsessed.  That's the league these days.  What makes you think the Giants won't be plagued again by penalties and turnovers?  The Bears are very opportunistic that way.  Looking at the spread/total it looks like we're calling for the Giants to score 24.  I don't understand why.  Packers and Cowboys (and Lions) couldn't score 24.  Why Giants?  Bears and under 44.  Another score like yesterday, 20-17 one way or the other.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 4:31 PM ET #102

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:



    A lot of the good teams are pass-obsessed.  That's the league these days.  What makes you think the Giants won't be plagued again by penalties and turnovers?  The Bears are very opportunistic that way.  Looking at the spread/total it looks like we're calling for the Giants to score 24.  I don't understand why.  Packers and Cowboys (and Lions) couldn't score 24.  Why Giants?  Bears and under 44.  Another score like yesterday, 20-17 one way or the other.


    By pass happy, I mean in a dumb way. Like empty backfield play after play after play with seven step drops and insanely long routes. Your just begging to get your QB killed. I could argue this game based on stats, but I won't.

    The situational capping angle on this game is massively in favor of the G-Men. That's all you need to know about this game, that's what will decide the spread. I got it at -3.

    If you fade the G-men best of luck. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:



    A lot of the good teams are pass-obsessed.  That's the league these days.  What makes you think the Giants won't be plagued again by penalties and turnovers?  The Bears are very opportunistic that way.  Looking at the spread/total it looks like we're calling for the Giants to score 24.  I don't understand why.  Packers and Cowboys (and Lions) couldn't score 24.  Why Giants?  Bears and under 44.  Another score like yesterday, 20-17 one way or the other.


    By pass happy, I mean in a dumb way. Like empty backfield play after play after play with seven step drops and insanely long routes. Your just begging to get your QB killed. I could argue this game based on stats, but I won't.

    The situational capping angle on this game is massively in favor of the G-Men. That's all you need to know about this game, that's what will decide the spread. I got it at -3.

    If you fade the G-men best of luck. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 5:31 PM ET #103

    I am sorry but I just do not see why the Giants are getting this much love.....

    I look at this game as in terms of who is better at each category.

    Defense= Bears way more opportunistic and have a much stronger pass rush. Cause more turnovers and hit WR's much harder than the Giants. Bears have the number 1 rush D and the Giants have a #4 passing D but have only played 1 passing offense and got torched.

    Offense= right now its the Bears. They are higher scoring and more explosive play in and play out. They have a better passing game but the Giants have a better running game The problem is that the Giants are going to be running against the NFL's best rush defense.so that does not help.

    Special Teams= Bears have the better return game which allows for better field position. The better punt game and the better kicking game. That was easy!!!

    Coaching= the head coaches both suck but the assistants are definitely in favor of the Bears

    Home vs Away= Bears are 1-0 on the road beating a good Cowboys home team, the Giants are 0-2 and lost badly in both

     

    Bears 27-17

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    I am sorry but I just do not see why the Giants are getting this much love.....

    I look at this game as in terms of who is better at each category.

    Defense= Bears way more opportunistic and have a much stronger pass rush. Cause more turnovers and hit WR's much harder than the Giants. Bears have the number 1 rush D and the Giants have a #4 passing D but have only played 1 passing offense and got torched.

    Offense= right now its the Bears. They are higher scoring and more explosive play in and play out. They have a better passing game but the Giants have a better running game The problem is that the Giants are going to be running against the NFL's best rush defense.so that does not help.

    Special Teams= Bears have the better return game which allows for better field position. The better punt game and the better kicking game. That was easy!!!

    Coaching= the head coaches both suck but the assistants are definitely in favor of the Bears

    Home vs Away= Bears are 1-0 on the road beating a good Cowboys home team, the Giants are 0-2 and lost badly in both

     

    Bears 27-17

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 5:58 PM ET #104

    a big if but if the giants decide to go no-huddle w/ about 1/2 of their offensive drives and not make shitty mistakes they can mess up this defense.

    giants have a new def coordinator who had the same job last season w/ buffalo. the defense that buffalo displayed last season was that of some type of real athletic helter skelter shit that would cause a bunch of interceptions. obviously this has not happened yet from the g-men but it could start sunday night w/ bear cutlet @ qb.

    also remember that the bears were a real shitty road team last season.

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    a big if but if the giants decide to go no-huddle w/ about 1/2 of their offensive drives and not make shitty mistakes they can mess up this defense.

    giants have a new def coordinator who had the same job last season w/ buffalo. the defense that buffalo displayed last season was that of some type of real athletic helter skelter shit that would cause a bunch of interceptions. obviously this has not happened yet from the g-men but it could start sunday night w/ bear cutlet @ qb.

    also remember that the bears were a real shitty road team last season.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 6:04 PM ET #105

    Sorry forgot they played Carolina at home
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    Sorry forgot they played Carolina at home
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 6:08 PM ET #106

    Stats from Mike & Mike In The Morning:

    Giants had the fewest turnovers in the league during their Super Bowl year.

    In the last 14 games the Giants have committed about 34 turnovers.



    I'm leaning on the Giants, but since i'll be cheering for the Bears to be the last undefeated team...

    Lets see what the players' mojo charts have to say.
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    Stats from Mike & Mike In The Morning:

    Giants had the fewest turnovers in the league during their Super Bowl year.

    In the last 14 games the Giants have committed about 34 turnovers.



    I'm leaning on the Giants, but since i'll be cheering for the Bears to be the last undefeated team...

    Lets see what the players' mojo charts have to say.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 6:11 PM ET #107

    NYC Frotter..... but dont you think they would have shown this last game or even a smidge of it vs the Colts....

    Yes the Bears are not the Colts but they certainly have a better passing game than the Titans. I do not see the Giants producing 24 points against the Bears D. But I can see the Bears scoring 24 points against the Giants D.  

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    NYC Frotter..... but dont you think they would have shown this last game or even a smidge of it vs the Colts....

    Yes the Bears are not the Colts but they certainly have a better passing game than the Titans. I do not see the Giants producing 24 points against the Bears D. But I can see the Bears scoring 24 points against the Giants D.  

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 6:20 PM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by wilk704:

    Rangerz.... ur a homer buddy please get on the same page.....

    The NFL is all about who can not shoot themselves in the foot the least and the Giants do all the time.....

    You talk about red zone effectiveness and you just answered why the Giants should not win, they cannot score!!!!!!



    Yea that's why I'm a JETS fan with season tickets not a Giants fan you piece of shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilk704:

    Rangerz.... ur a homer buddy please get on the same page.....

    The NFL is all about who can not shoot themselves in the foot the least and the Giants do all the time.....

    You talk about red zone effectiveness and you just answered why the Giants should not win, they cannot score!!!!!!



    Yea that's why I'm a JETS fan with season tickets not a Giants fan you piece of shit.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 6:28 PM ET #109

    ay wilk,

    all i can reply to that is it's been a real slow work in progress. the giants d do have real good athletes - it's just maybe their football iq's really suck along w/ a combo of  a really shit def coordinator at the helm the last season. bottom line is that def hsa fallen on hard times since spags' departure to the rams. 

    actually i think tenn has a better passing gane than bears. as a pure passer cutlet is better than vince young, although vy is getting better at it. tenn has better receivers.

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    ay wilk,

    all i can reply to that is it's been a real slow work in progress. the giants d do have real good athletes - it's just maybe their football iq's really suck along w/ a combo of  a really shit def coordinator at the helm the last season. bottom line is that def hsa fallen on hard times since spags' departure to the rams. 

    actually i think tenn has a better passing gane than bears. as a pure passer cutlet is better than vince young, although vy is getting better at it. tenn has better receivers.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 6:39 PM ET #110

    Quote Originally Posted by Flutiemaniac341:

    I LOVE ALL the moron and stupidity remarks. im sure you'd ppl would talk like that in person.. 

    learn some respect!!

    I actually believe some guys really do talk this stupid in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutiemaniac341:

    I LOVE ALL the moron and stupidity remarks. im sure you'd ppl would talk like that in person.. 

    learn some respect!!

    I actually believe some guys really do talk this stupid in person.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 6:49 PM ET #111

    I am a piece of shit rangerz but you're are still scum..... you must live around the newark area huh????

    I do not believe Tenn has a better passing game mainly because they do not have a better passing QB and how could you say they have better WR's? You have to include Olsen in this since they use him as a WR more than a TE so no the Bears do

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    I am a piece of shit rangerz but you're are still scum..... you must live around the newark area huh????

    I do not believe Tenn has a better passing game mainly because they do not have a better passing QB and how could you say they have better WR's? You have to include Olsen in this since they use him as a WR more than a TE so no the Bears do

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 8:42 PM ET #112

    Giants



    Another great line on the Bears due to all the skeptics



    Giants
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    Giants



    Another great line on the Bears due to all the skeptics



    Giants
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 10:40 PM ET #113

    I will be cashing my ticket on Monday morning
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    I will be cashing my ticket on Monday morning
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 10:49 PM ET #114

    you make it out like this is week 14 and the bears are sittin pretty with a wild card spot or even the division already won.....

    the bears need to keep winning just as much as the giants need to just win to keep their season alive....

    the giants should be thankful so many people still believe in them because the giants players cannot stand their coach make dumb ass penalties game in and game out, not to mention are going to have troubles with the bears pass rush, do you really think the titans pass rush is that much better than the bears?????? because they are not!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    you make it out like this is week 14 and the bears are sittin pretty with a wild card spot or even the division already won.....

    the bears need to keep winning just as much as the giants need to just win to keep their season alive....

    the giants should be thankful so many people still believe in them because the giants players cannot stand their coach make dumb ass penalties game in and game out, not to mention are going to have troubles with the bears pass rush, do you really think the titans pass rush is that much better than the bears?????? because they are not!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutiemaniac341:

    it drives me nuts how some ppl can act so tough behind a computer or behind the wheel. whatever happened to the shoe on the other foot. treat ppl like u want to be treated.

    You should know better than that.  You can't teach certain people sense.  You are talking to Americans- we live in a great country but have our share of naive bigots here. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutiemaniac341:

    it drives me nuts how some ppl can act so tough behind a computer or behind the wheel. whatever happened to the shoe on the other foot. treat ppl like u want to be treated.

    You should know better than that.  You can't teach certain people sense.  You are talking to Americans- we live in a great country but have our share of naive bigots here. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 11:38 PM ET #116

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:

    I will be cashing my ticket on Monday morning

    yeah no kidding it feels like stealing but then you see all the clowns on here who think the bears are actually good, and who think the giants are that bad based on sunday's game.  then i don't feel as bad.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:

    I will be cashing my ticket on Monday morning

    yeah no kidding it feels like stealing but then you see all the clowns on here who think the bears are actually good, and who think the giants are that bad based on sunday's game.  then i don't feel as bad.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 12:09 AM ET #117

    Love the GMEN in this situation...


    Sunday night at home.... that place is gonna be crazy....


    they'll be fired up



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    Love the GMEN in this situation...


    Sunday night at home.... that place is gonna be crazy....


    they'll be fired up



     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 12:34 AM ET #118

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyflynn:



    Nope.  I don't.  The Giants are the sloppiest team in football right now. 

     

    But the question is about value.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyflynn:



    Nope.  I don't.  The Giants are the sloppiest team in football right now. 

     

    But the question is about value.......

     
    wilk704
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 12:35 AM ET #119

    yea kinda like how it was rockin and being all crazy 2 days ago....

    listen i am from chicago and will say that i believe in my bears but you people are just stupid....tsw why did i make then over 1k on the last 2 bears games?!!??!!

    because dumb fucks like you TSW and BREAKABOOKIE go with their teams or their gut..... guess what happens.... i walk to the bank while ur looking for excuses like u are now

    you people are just str8 up dumb.... look at the covers concensus picks.... chicago is at number 5 highest rated at 60%..... the team expert picks have chicago gettin 6 picks and the giants at 0....

    can you explain that?????? the giants are bumbs.... they will not run against the bears and the bears will get to eli manning, they have got to stafford and took him out... they got to romo and his receivers, they got to rodgers and his receivers.... and guess what???? they WILL get to eli and atleast force 2 turnovers....

    oh and look for the bears to get great field position since hester is back and the bears special teams has dominated the giants before

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    yea kinda like how it was rockin and being all crazy 2 days ago....

    listen i am from chicago and will say that i believe in my bears but you people are just stupid....tsw why did i make then over 1k on the last 2 bears games?!!??!!

    because dumb fucks like you TSW and BREAKABOOKIE go with their teams or their gut..... guess what happens.... i walk to the bank while ur looking for excuses like u are now

    you people are just str8 up dumb.... look at the covers concensus picks.... chicago is at number 5 highest rated at 60%..... the team expert picks have chicago gettin 6 picks and the giants at 0....

    can you explain that?????? the giants are bumbs.... they will not run against the bears and the bears will get to eli manning, they have got to stafford and took him out... they got to romo and his receivers, they got to rodgers and his receivers.... and guess what???? they WILL get to eli and atleast force 2 turnovers....

    oh and look for the bears to get great field position since hester is back and the bears special teams has dominated the giants before

     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 1:14 AM ET #120

    Finger pointing and turmoil in the locker room
    The Giants are not playing like a team an it will take some time to gel again.
    Giants will continue to hand games to opponents
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    Finger pointing and turmoil in the locker room
    The Giants are not playing like a team an it will take some time to gel again.
    Giants will continue to hand games to opponents
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 1:20 AM ET #121

    Quote Originally Posted by wilk704:

    yea kinda like how it was rockin and being all crazy 2 days ago....

    listen i am from chicago and will say that i believe in my bears but you people are just stupid....tsw why did i make then over 1k on the last 2 bears games?!!??!!

    because dumb fucks like you TSW and BREAKABOOKIE go with their teams or their gut..... guess what happens.... i walk to the bank while ur looking for excuses like u are now

    you people are just str8 up dumb.... look at the covers concensus picks.... chicago is at number 5 highest rated at 60%..... the team expert picks have chicago gettin 6 picks and the giants at 0....

    can you explain that?????? the giants are bumbs.... they will not run against the bears and the bears will get to eli manning, they have got to stafford and took him out... they got to romo and his receivers, they got to rodgers and his receivers.... and guess what???? they WILL get to eli and atleast force 2 turnovers....

    oh and look for the bears to get great field position since hester is back and the bears special teams has dominated the giants before



    covers experts?  consensus?

    I was on Chicago the last two weeks.  I don't think they are that bad, but do think they lose this week and am putting my money where my mouth is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilk704:

    yea kinda like how it was rockin and being all crazy 2 days ago....

    listen i am from chicago and will say that i believe in my bears but you people are just stupid....tsw why did i make then over 1k on the last 2 bears games?!!??!!

    because dumb fucks like you TSW and BREAKABOOKIE go with their teams or their gut..... guess what happens.... i walk to the bank while ur looking for excuses like u are now

    you people are just str8 up dumb.... look at the covers concensus picks.... chicago is at number 5 highest rated at 60%..... the team expert picks have chicago gettin 6 picks and the giants at 0....

    can you explain that?????? the giants are bumbs.... they will not run against the bears and the bears will get to eli manning, they have got to stafford and took him out... they got to romo and his receivers, they got to rodgers and his receivers.... and guess what???? they WILL get to eli and atleast force 2 turnovers....

    oh and look for the bears to get great field position since hester is back and the bears special teams has dominated the giants before



    covers experts?  consensus?

    I was on Chicago the last two weeks.  I don't think they are that bad, but do think they lose this week and am putting my money where my mouth is.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 1:41 AM ET #122

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:

    I don't think the Bears are that overrated.  I'm just speaking to this situational spot.  Huuuge home win on Monday night against rival in a close one now you go to NY on a short week playing a Giants team that was just embarrassed at home.  Giants should be able to move the ball here.

    Giants -3 is what I want and will probably get since Bears are 2-1 and Giants have looked bad.  Remember this is the NFL.  You are never as bad or as good as ppl think.



    It is all about the situation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:

    I don't think the Bears are that overrated.  I'm just speaking to this situational spot.  Huuuge home win on Monday night against rival in a close one now you go to NY on a short week playing a Giants team that was just embarrassed at home.  Giants should be able to move the ball here.

    Giants -3 is what I want and will probably get since Bears are 2-1 and Giants have looked bad.  Remember this is the NFL.  You are never as bad or as good as ppl think.



    It is all about the situation!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 1:49 AM ET #123

    surprised it jumped to 4 so quickly.
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    surprised it jumped to 4 so quickly.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 3:26 AM ET #124

    giants don't deserve to win. i hate media poster teams that get too much hype and can't back it up. bears did get more lucky on monday night even though i had them. i hope the bears win, but i don't think it's a good spot for them.

    best rush defense in NFL? dont buy it...lions, cowboys, and packers with no grant....that's nothing.

    Hester scoring a TD, well that opens up the Giant game plan of not kicking to him, duh.

    This comes down to Cutler and the pass vs. Giants D. If anyone sees Cutler having a legitimate field day...please tell me, cuz i would take the bears. But It's not like Cutler can move like vince young and Cutler doesnt have Chris johnson. And that would make the giants -2.5 a lot more reasonable to me. Bears didn't even sack Rodgers once...laughable.
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    giants don't deserve to win. i hate media poster teams that get too much hype and can't back it up. bears did get more lucky on monday night even though i had them. i hope the bears win, but i don't think it's a good spot for them.

    best rush defense in NFL? dont buy it...lions, cowboys, and packers with no grant....that's nothing.

    Hester scoring a TD, well that opens up the Giant game plan of not kicking to him, duh.

    This comes down to Cutler and the pass vs. Giants D. If anyone sees Cutler having a legitimate field day...please tell me, cuz i would take the bears. But It's not like Cutler can move like vince young and Cutler doesnt have Chris johnson. And that would make the giants -2.5 a lot more reasonable to me. Bears didn't even sack Rodgers once...laughable.
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2010 - 4:11 AM ET #125

    Quote Originally Posted by Zander47:

    surprised it jumped to 4 so quickly.

    Why? It's a situational cappers dream scenario. Everybody keeps trying to make this just about who's better. Stats, players. People often say how the hell did that team just beat that team? Well a lot of the time these games can become predictable based on circumstances. Almost all I do is situational capping. The Giants are so far and away the play here, and the fact that so many are still riding Chicago solidifies it that much more. Play of the year so far IMO. By all means keep the cash flowing on the Bears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zander47:

    surprised it jumped to 4 so quickly.

    Why? It's a situational cappers dream scenario. Everybody keeps trying to make this just about who's better. Stats, players. People often say how the hell did that team just beat that team? Well a lot of the time these games can become predictable based on circumstances. Almost all I do is situational capping. The Giants are so far and away the play here, and the fact that so many are still riding Chicago solidifies it that much more. Play of the year so far IMO. By all means keep the cash flowing on the Bears.
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