Great Job with this writeup!! Long, detailed, and interesting... My favorite kind of writeup! I was strongly leaning towards Jax and this helped me feel better about my initial gut!
Train69: u say "Newton and Carolina will Win bc it's good for the NFL" but IMO "Newton and Carolina will lose bc it's good for Vegas"
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Quote Originally Posted by bets2win:
Great Job with this writeup!! Long, detailed, and interesting... My favorite kind of writeup! I was strongly leaning towards Jax and this helped me feel better about my initial gut!
Train69: u say "Newton and Carolina will Win bc it's good for the NFL" but IMO "Newton and Carolina will lose bc it's good for Vegas"
Other than the QBs, much difference in the squads?
I'll take Jax +3.5 all day long. And to think my initial (johnny public) reaction when I saw the lines was that this could be Cam's spot for his 1st win.
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Last Year's records:
Carolina 2-14
Jacksonville 8-8
Other than the QBs, much difference in the squads?
I'll take Jax +3.5 all day long. And to think my initial (johnny public) reaction when I saw the lines was that this could be Cam's spot for his 1st win.
I have been preaching the same thing about Newton since I saw him a few times in pre-season and thought he was terrible. There is no way he improved that much from then to now. He was inaccurate and couldn't read base defenses very well. All that being said, I thought for sure G.B. would throw Newton for a loop and bring him down to Earth. They didn't and I was impressed with that. I do think though that Arizona and GB came with very vanilla and soft defensive game plans because they both thought they were good enough to beat Carolina without showing teams very much. I expect things to get much harder for Newton as the season goes along and teams realize they might not be able to just show up and beat them. Personally, I'm not touching this game, but if I did I would probably go Jax as well.
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I have been preaching the same thing about Newton since I saw him a few times in pre-season and thought he was terrible. There is no way he improved that much from then to now. He was inaccurate and couldn't read base defenses very well. All that being said, I thought for sure G.B. would throw Newton for a loop and bring him down to Earth. They didn't and I was impressed with that. I do think though that Arizona and GB came with very vanilla and soft defensive game plans because they both thought they were good enough to beat Carolina without showing teams very much. I expect things to get much harder for Newton as the season goes along and teams realize they might not be able to just show up and beat them. Personally, I'm not touching this game, but if I did I would probably go Jax as well.
what did carolina do against green bay? jax will lose this game by at least 7.
1. Cam Newton is the real deal
2. Carolina should be 1-1 if not 2-0 right now
3. Gabbert has no chance of putting up the numbers Cam did
STOP HATING ON CAM NEWTON
CAST YOUR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR VOTES
They were no where near winning either of those games. I am not sure what you are watching. I never said Gabbert is going to match Cam's numbers, I am saying that Cam's numbers are impressive to the eyes but not to winning football games. He has been HORRIBLE in the Red Zone. He has been HORRIBLE on third down. He has been HORRIBLE any time pressure has come at him. His performance was impressive, his stats are inflated for all the wrong reasons and so is Carolina.
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Quote Originally Posted by ALLDAY22:
jax will win? you guys are joking right?
what did carolina do against green bay? jax will lose this game by at least 7.
1. Cam Newton is the real deal
2. Carolina should be 1-1 if not 2-0 right now
3. Gabbert has no chance of putting up the numbers Cam did
STOP HATING ON CAM NEWTON
CAST YOUR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR VOTES
They were no where near winning either of those games. I am not sure what you are watching. I never said Gabbert is going to match Cam's numbers, I am saying that Cam's numbers are impressive to the eyes but not to winning football games. He has been HORRIBLE in the Red Zone. He has been HORRIBLE on third down. He has been HORRIBLE any time pressure has come at him. His performance was impressive, his stats are inflated for all the wrong reasons and so is Carolina.
1. They are playing at home 2. JAX is bad on the road 3. They are 0-2 gotta win here 4. CAM is the real deal (I was a hater but was convinced after that GB game) 5. The Jaguars barely covered by a point in Week 1 and didn't even come
close to covering in Week 2. The Panthers are 0-2 but played both the
Cardinals and Packers close, losing to both by just a touchdown.
CAR -3.5 3 units to win 2.72
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How can anyone bet on CAR....
I will give you 5 reasons:
1. They are playing at home 2. JAX is bad on the road 3. They are 0-2 gotta win here 4. CAM is the real deal (I was a hater but was convinced after that GB game) 5. The Jaguars barely covered by a point in Week 1 and didn't even come
close to covering in Week 2. The Panthers are 0-2 but played both the
Cardinals and Packers close, losing to both by just a touchdown.
Wouldn't be surprised if Jax covers here, I liked Carolina until I heard Gabbart was starting (which I expected but not until week 5ish)
Should be an awesome game with 2 good rookie QB's starting their careers.
Gabbart is gonna improve Jax just as Cam improved Carolina, doesn't mean they (Car) will win 5-6 games but that's a lot better than last year with Clausen.
I'll be at the game, I was excited to see Cam but now i'm really excited cause now I get to see Blaine too
I think Panthers will win 19-17 (4 Fg's again for Panthers, bad in RedZone as mentioned earlier)
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Wouldn't be surprised if Jax covers here, I liked Carolina until I heard Gabbart was starting (which I expected but not until week 5ish)
Should be an awesome game with 2 good rookie QB's starting their careers.
Gabbart is gonna improve Jax just as Cam improved Carolina, doesn't mean they (Car) will win 5-6 games but that's a lot better than last year with Clausen.
I'll be at the game, I was excited to see Cam but now i'm really excited cause now I get to see Blaine too
I think Panthers will win 19-17 (4 Fg's again for Panthers, bad in RedZone as mentioned earlier)
The jags have now lost 18 games since the start of the 2009 season. 11 of those 18 games by 14 or more points. What does that tell us? When the jags lose they really lose. They're going to really lose this Sunday.
30 -17 Car..
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The jags have now lost 18 games since the start of the 2009 season. 11 of those 18 games by 14 or more points. What does that tell us? When the jags lose they really lose. They're going to really lose this Sunday.
The jags have now lost 18 games since the start of the 2009 season. 11 of those 18 games by 14 or more points. What does that tell us? When the jags lose they really lose. They're going to really lose this Sunday.
30 -17 Car..
Carolina has lost 14 of their last 16 games. What does this tell us? That when the Panthers play, they almost alwyas lose. They're going to really lose this Sunday.
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Quote Originally Posted by 5time786:
The jags have now lost 18 games since the start of the 2009 season. 11 of those 18 games by 14 or more points. What does that tell us? When the jags lose they really lose. They're going to really lose this Sunday.
30 -17 Car..
Carolina has lost 14 of their last 16 games. What does this tell us? That when the Panthers play, they almost alwyas lose. They're going to really lose this Sunday.
Love the writeup. If I play this game it will the people. I do disagree with some. To claim that Carolina's numbers are false and then put so much stock into Jax's stats is a little off. Chris Johnson may be the most talent back in the league, lucky for the Jags they caught him week one without a training camp. He only ran 9 times that game and its not like he lite it up the following week. I don't get why you consider that to much more meaningful than any part of the Panthers performance so far.
Something else I want to touch on. Cam Newton is a passer who can run not a running qb. Cam Newton being a running qb is a myth. His senior year at Auburn he ran on 9% of designed pass plays. In comparison, Aaron Rodgers ran on 8% of designed pass plays last season. The me-first, not mature, Jamarcus Russell argument is just stupid for some many reasons I won't even go into it.
Newton went 11/17 198 1 1 in the first half against a Capers defense. Thats impressive. For the game he completed 61% of his passes against a coordinator who held the last 3 rooks he faced to under 50% completions.
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Love the writeup. If I play this game it will the people. I do disagree with some. To claim that Carolina's numbers are false and then put so much stock into Jax's stats is a little off. Chris Johnson may be the most talent back in the league, lucky for the Jags they caught him week one without a training camp. He only ran 9 times that game and its not like he lite it up the following week. I don't get why you consider that to much more meaningful than any part of the Panthers performance so far.
Something else I want to touch on. Cam Newton is a passer who can run not a running qb. Cam Newton being a running qb is a myth. His senior year at Auburn he ran on 9% of designed pass plays. In comparison, Aaron Rodgers ran on 8% of designed pass plays last season. The me-first, not mature, Jamarcus Russell argument is just stupid for some many reasons I won't even go into it.
Newton went 11/17 198 1 1 in the first half against a Capers defense. Thats impressive. For the game he completed 61% of his passes against a coordinator who held the last 3 rooks he faced to under 50% completions.
Not sure where the value is in taking Jax. The line is 3.5 ok you are getting that .5 but the line is tight. Books are not overreacting to Newton. If the line was 5 or 6 then ok you are right but at 3.5 which i can buy to 3 I dont see value. Jax is on the road for the second week in a row. Carolina is at home second week in a row. Your evaluation about Newton is odd. The guy just set the all time passing record for a rookie in his first two games. You dismiss him outright. Come on.
Ill take Carolina at home against a team that just switched QBs and has shown no ability to score in the first two games.
Most sensible post in this thread.Not a Newton fan at all, but I don’t see a reason to be on the Jags at all.That defense is bad, especially the secondary, and you know Newton’s going to throw it 40 times.Who knows?Gabbert could come out and throw for 400 himself, but I’d have a hard time taking the Jags to stay within 4 when they’re far from explosive offensively and you know Carolina’s not going to slow down if they’re up.Doesn’t seem like enough of a cushion to back a bad team on the road, regardless of who they’re playing.
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Quote Originally Posted by WilliamMunny:
Not sure where the value is in taking Jax. The line is 3.5 ok you are getting that .5 but the line is tight. Books are not overreacting to Newton. If the line was 5 or 6 then ok you are right but at 3.5 which i can buy to 3 I dont see value. Jax is on the road for the second week in a row. Carolina is at home second week in a row. Your evaluation about Newton is odd. The guy just set the all time passing record for a rookie in his first two games. You dismiss him outright. Come on.
Ill take Carolina at home against a team that just switched QBs and has shown no ability to score in the first two games.
Most sensible post in this thread.Not a Newton fan at all, but I don’t see a reason to be on the Jags at all.That defense is bad, especially the secondary, and you know Newton’s going to throw it 40 times.Who knows?Gabbert could come out and throw for 400 himself, but I’d have a hard time taking the Jags to stay within 4 when they’re far from explosive offensively and you know Carolina’s not going to slow down if they’re up.Doesn’t seem like enough of a cushion to back a bad team on the road, regardless of who they’re playing.
Carolina has lost 14 of their last 16 games. What does this tell us? That when the Panthers play, they almost alwyas lose. They're going to really lose this Sunday.
Really lose? What does that mean?
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Quote Originally Posted by vegasjack2:
Carolina has lost 14 of their last 16 games. What does this tell us? That when the Panthers play, they almost alwyas lose. They're going to really lose this Sunday.
1. They are playing at home 2. JAX is bad on the road 3. They are 0-2 gotta win here 4. CAM is the real deal (I was a hater but was convinced after that GB game) 5. The Jaguars barely covered by a point in Week 1 and didn't even come close to covering in Week 2. The Panthers are 0-2 but played both the Cardinals and Packers close, losing to both by just a touchdown.
CAR -3.5 3 units to win 2.72
not on this game, but this point here is retarded. They gotta win? Every team wants to win, but welcome to the nfl.
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Quote Originally Posted by dman81:
How can anyone bet on CAR....
I will give you 5 reasons:
1. They are playing at home 2. JAX is bad on the road 3. They are 0-2 gotta win here 4. CAM is the real deal (I was a hater but was convinced after that GB game) 5. The Jaguars barely covered by a point in Week 1 and didn't even come close to covering in Week 2. The Panthers are 0-2 but played both the Cardinals and Packers close, losing to both by just a touchdown.
CAR -3.5 3 units to win 2.72
not on this game, but this point here is retarded. They gotta win? Every team wants to win, but welcome to the nfl.
Week one I felt strongly about Buffalo +5.5 against KC. Last week I felt equally as strong with Detroit -9 against KC. This week I am straying from my predictions of KC having an extreme down year and moving to a team I am absolutely drooling to bet against. I think there is a very large betting opportunity here I am taking full advantage of it. I know I am going against ALOT of people here.
Kansas City, Indianapolis, Miami, St. Louis, Minnesota, Seattle. Is anyone talking positively about any of these teams? Have you heard one good thing ANYWHERE about any of these teams? All I have heard is how, Indianapolis is a 4 win team without Manning, Kansas City is the worst team in the league, loaded with injuries and lacking talent. Miami is a flawed system with a useless quarterback. St. Louis is St. Louis. Minnesota chokes late and is nothing but trouble on offense. Seattle is the worst team in the NFC West, which subsequently is the worst division in football and cant score a single point. BURY THEM, SEASON IS OVER. Yet, when it comes to CAROLINA who HAS THE SAME RECORD AS THESE SIX TEAMS, all of the sudden were talking about one of the most exciting and best teams in the NFL. Cam Newton is one of the best quarterbacks in the league and is a shoe in to break all sorts of records, and hell, if teams take away the pass well he is going to run for 150 yards and break records with his feet. WHAT!?
WHAT!? Just a few weeks ago everyone was burying Cam Newton saying he could never play at an NFL level. Now, he goes out and has two big passing weeks and all of the sudden he is the biggest news in the NFL. Did nobody notice that he has more INT's then he does TD's? Did nobody notice that every single one of his passes has been to either a safety valve tight end/running back or a safe sideline route to Smith. Did nobody notice that every time those routes were taken away he was AT BEST a very below average quarterback. I can remember one series in particular against Green Bay where he had Smith in coverage and his two safety valves taken away on three straight plays. He went incomplete, incomplete and interception. Andy Dalton in Cincinnati has thrown for the same number of touchdowns as Newton through two weeks, with ZERO interceptions. Both of Dalton's games have been on the road in Cleveland and in Denver. There are eleven quarterbacks with a better passer rating then Newton through two weeks of the season. Hell, that does not matter because Newton is saying all the right things in press conferences and really believes that he can win and succeed at the pro level. ESPN, NFL Network, CBS, name a network, they have been absolutely POUNDING this kid into everyone watching. The hype meter on Newton right now is OFF THE CHARTS. More people are talking about Newton over Tom Brady. What kind of world are we living in? This is the only thing that any of us are hearing about, and apparently all anyone is betting on.
Jack:
Jacksonville with a new QB?, i dont think so bro, Carolina deserves to win and will win because of Cam Newton.
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Quote Originally Posted by vegasjack2:
Week one I felt strongly about Buffalo +5.5 against KC. Last week I felt equally as strong with Detroit -9 against KC. This week I am straying from my predictions of KC having an extreme down year and moving to a team I am absolutely drooling to bet against. I think there is a very large betting opportunity here I am taking full advantage of it. I know I am going against ALOT of people here.
Kansas City, Indianapolis, Miami, St. Louis, Minnesota, Seattle. Is anyone talking positively about any of these teams? Have you heard one good thing ANYWHERE about any of these teams? All I have heard is how, Indianapolis is a 4 win team without Manning, Kansas City is the worst team in the league, loaded with injuries and lacking talent. Miami is a flawed system with a useless quarterback. St. Louis is St. Louis. Minnesota chokes late and is nothing but trouble on offense. Seattle is the worst team in the NFC West, which subsequently is the worst division in football and cant score a single point. BURY THEM, SEASON IS OVER. Yet, when it comes to CAROLINA who HAS THE SAME RECORD AS THESE SIX TEAMS, all of the sudden were talking about one of the most exciting and best teams in the NFL. Cam Newton is one of the best quarterbacks in the league and is a shoe in to break all sorts of records, and hell, if teams take away the pass well he is going to run for 150 yards and break records with his feet. WHAT!?
WHAT!? Just a few weeks ago everyone was burying Cam Newton saying he could never play at an NFL level. Now, he goes out and has two big passing weeks and all of the sudden he is the biggest news in the NFL. Did nobody notice that he has more INT's then he does TD's? Did nobody notice that every single one of his passes has been to either a safety valve tight end/running back or a safe sideline route to Smith. Did nobody notice that every time those routes were taken away he was AT BEST a very below average quarterback. I can remember one series in particular against Green Bay where he had Smith in coverage and his two safety valves taken away on three straight plays. He went incomplete, incomplete and interception. Andy Dalton in Cincinnati has thrown for the same number of touchdowns as Newton through two weeks, with ZERO interceptions. Both of Dalton's games have been on the road in Cleveland and in Denver. There are eleven quarterbacks with a better passer rating then Newton through two weeks of the season. Hell, that does not matter because Newton is saying all the right things in press conferences and really believes that he can win and succeed at the pro level. ESPN, NFL Network, CBS, name a network, they have been absolutely POUNDING this kid into everyone watching. The hype meter on Newton right now is OFF THE CHARTS. More people are talking about Newton over Tom Brady. What kind of world are we living in? This is the only thing that any of us are hearing about, and apparently all anyone is betting on.
Jack:
Jacksonville with a new QB?, i dont think so bro, Carolina deserves to win and will win because of Cam Newton.
Anyone who bets Carolina are the same public moronic squares that bet the Ravens last week. Over 80% of the public is on Carolina and that 80% will lose their money! Your the same people that said "I put the Ravens in my teaser because theres no way they will lose"...put the Panthers in your teaser this week and see what happens. Vegas loves people like you! Cam put up big passing yards against a shit Cards secondary and a Packers secondary that has been shit. Jags have one of the top 5 D lines in the league..MJD will control the clock and the Jags will win 21-17....Vegasjak2 clearly knows his shit and people that disagree with him will watch their money go up in flames!
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Anyone who bets Carolina are the same public moronic squares that bet the Ravens last week. Over 80% of the public is on Carolina and that 80% will lose their money! Your the same people that said "I put the Ravens in my teaser because theres no way they will lose"...put the Panthers in your teaser this week and see what happens. Vegas loves people like you! Cam put up big passing yards against a shit Cards secondary and a Packers secondary that has been shit. Jags have one of the top 5 D lines in the league..MJD will control the clock and the Jags will win 21-17....Vegasjak2 clearly knows his shit and people that disagree with him will watch their money go up in flames!
1. They are playing at home 2. JAX is bad on the road 3. They are 0-2 gotta win here 4. CAM is the real deal (I was a hater but was convinced after that GB game) 5. The Jaguars barely covered by a point in Week 1 and didn't even come
close to covering in Week 2. The Panthers are 0-2 but played both the
Cardinals and Packers close, losing to both by just a touchdown.
CAR -3.5 3 units to win 2.72
Wow, are you a moron...can I please be your bookie....pretty please!?!
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Quote Originally Posted by dman81:
How can anyone bet on CAR....
I will give you 5 reasons:
1. They are playing at home 2. JAX is bad on the road 3. They are 0-2 gotta win here 4. CAM is the real deal (I was a hater but was convinced after that GB game) 5. The Jaguars barely covered by a point in Week 1 and didn't even come
close to covering in Week 2. The Panthers are 0-2 but played both the
Cardinals and Packers close, losing to both by just a touchdown.
CAR -3.5 3 units to win 2.72
Wow, are you a moron...can I please be your bookie....pretty please!?!
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