I can understand you defending yourself against Achilles, after all, he has little patience with posters that can't actually have a discourse with him. If you can't stand up to him, or, verbally spar with him over you're points, he has little time to waste on you.
Simply show him your posted record, and compare it to his over the last two weeks, that should shut him up..........right?
Post records what would i want to do that ? the only thing that maters is how much money's in my pocket , don't need to impress anyone .
Just saying make a point with a few sentences no need for endless DRIBBLE
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Quote Originally Posted by Cooler999:
Seriously Steinway?
I can understand you defending yourself against Achilles, after all, he has little patience with posters that can't actually have a discourse with him. If you can't stand up to him, or, verbally spar with him over you're points, he has little time to waste on you.
Simply show him your posted record, and compare it to his over the last two weeks, that should shut him up..........right?
Post records what would i want to do that ? the only thing that maters is how much money's in my pocket , don't need to impress anyone .
Just saying make a point with a few sentences no need for endless DRIBBLE
Now on top of everyone being on the Pats the line is moving down....Miami still feels like the right side as the lower number should bring in more $ for NE
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Now on top of everyone being on the Pats the line is moving down....Miami still feels like the right side as the lower number should bring in more $ for NE
You are correct. I have no patience for jagoffs like Steinway. 8 out of 10 on here are purely here with no purpose other than do what this kid is doing here. I could care less what someone's record is but if you supply or offer one....I can at least respect that. As for my attitude and approach on this site, I've had a ton of trolls over the last few years that go out of their way to do what's being done above by that clown. If I was a sh@tty capper do you think I'd have those trolls? I get why it's being done but it's so pathetic that people like this exist in here. I need to ignore it but d@mn I'd love to meet these people in real life. It would be a totally different narrative......
What do you call an Eternal Optimist? An accordion with a beeper!
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Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:
You are correct. I have no patience for jagoffs like Steinway. 8 out of 10 on here are purely here with no purpose other than do what this kid is doing here. I could care less what someone's record is but if you supply or offer one....I can at least respect that. As for my attitude and approach on this site, I've had a ton of trolls over the last few years that go out of their way to do what's being done above by that clown. If I was a sh@tty capper do you think I'd have those trolls? I get why it's being done but it's so pathetic that people like this exist in here. I need to ignore it but d@mn I'd love to meet these people in real life. It would be a totally different narrative......
Post records what would i want to do that ? the only thing that maters is how much money's in my pocket , don't need to impress anyone .
Just saying make a point with a few sentences no need for endless DRIBBLE
Feel free to PM me tool and I will do you a favor. I can show you the slips and the bottom line over the last 3 years. Nobody has yet to PM though; don't think you are the first troll I've come in contact with. If you were smart you'd stfu and just sit on the sidelines....you may just win some coin going forward. Also do your research before you open your mouth. People say I bully on here; of me putting leaches and fakes in their place is bullying I guess I'm that.
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Quote Originally Posted by Steinway:
Post records what would i want to do that ? the only thing that maters is how much money's in my pocket , don't need to impress anyone .
Just saying make a point with a few sentences no need for endless DRIBBLE
Feel free to PM me tool and I will do you a favor. I can show you the slips and the bottom line over the last 3 years. Nobody has yet to PM though; don't think you are the first troll I've come in contact with. If you were smart you'd stfu and just sit on the sidelines....you may just win some coin going forward. Also do your research before you open your mouth. People say I bully on here; of me putting leaches and fakes in their place is bullying I guess I'm that.
I can assure the outcome of tonight's game has nothing to do with next weeks spread, unless Brady is out. That's just a ridiculous assumption, the Pats could lose or win 55-0 and it wouldn't effect the spread one point. Of course, the NFL won't allow them to lose if it's even remotely close, and that's a fact.
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I can assure the outcome of tonight's game has nothing to do with next weeks spread, unless Brady is out. That's just a ridiculous assumption, the Pats could lose or win 55-0 and it wouldn't effect the spread one point. Of course, the NFL won't allow them to lose if it's even remotely close, and that's a fact.
Just out of couriosity Achilles.....Why do you even engage with trolls who bring no value or valid input to the forum?
Reply with a and move on and continue to do what you do and obviousely the trolls can not and that's provide in depth analysis and above all winners. Thank You for NOT calling it quits and putting up with the daily nonsense such as you do.
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Just out of couriosity Achilles.....Why do you even engage with trolls who bring no value or valid input to the forum?
Reply with a and move on and continue to do what you do and obviousely the trolls can not and that's provide in depth analysis and above all winners. Thank You for NOT calling it quits and putting up with the daily nonsense such as you do.
Nothing Pitt could have done? That's where you are wrong amigo. If they blow the ravens out last nite and don't play an awful second half, that line is definitely not where it is today chief. The perception of them struggling is gone and the public is a believer. I'm overthinking? With that comment above, you need to think.
The opening line was set NE - 1.5 before either team played, and was bet to - 2.5. There were 4 possible scenarios, both teams roll, the steelers struggle and pats roll, the pats struggle and the steelers roll, or both of them struggle. You're theory is NE can't continue to cover and PITT can't continue to not cover so you're banking on the law of averages, which hasn't applied to NE in the last 3 years. The Pats are 43-23-2 ATS since 2014. If you expect the books to make back money on a PITT cover, what line works in their favor? More points or less points? If they're gonna upset the Pats then it's a moot point. The best outcome for the line to move in favor of NE is a PITT struggle and an easy NE win and even that wouldn't change public perception enough to set the line tomorrow at NE - 4. And if PITT rolled and the Pats struggled it wouldn't move the line 2.5 points.
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Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:
Nothing Pitt could have done? That's where you are wrong amigo. If they blow the ravens out last nite and don't play an awful second half, that line is definitely not where it is today chief. The perception of them struggling is gone and the public is a believer. I'm overthinking? With that comment above, you need to think.
The opening line was set NE - 1.5 before either team played, and was bet to - 2.5. There were 4 possible scenarios, both teams roll, the steelers struggle and pats roll, the pats struggle and the steelers roll, or both of them struggle. You're theory is NE can't continue to cover and PITT can't continue to not cover so you're banking on the law of averages, which hasn't applied to NE in the last 3 years. The Pats are 43-23-2 ATS since 2014. If you expect the books to make back money on a PITT cover, what line works in their favor? More points or less points? If they're gonna upset the Pats then it's a moot point. The best outcome for the line to move in favor of NE is a PITT struggle and an easy NE win and even that wouldn't change public perception enough to set the line tomorrow at NE - 4. And if PITT rolled and the Pats struggled it wouldn't move the line 2.5 points.
Everybody wants to talk about the offense of the Patriots....let ls take a look at their defense. Before we do that, please know I am not buying New England come playoff time because the perception is different from the realities for THIS YEAR. I think their defense is beatable but only by a few teams. Is Miami one of them? Not so sure.
Since the Carolina game, the numbers show the amount of points given up each week:
Bucs 14
Jets 17
Falcons 7
Chargers 13
Broncos 16
Raiders 8
Dolphins 17
Bills 3
So let me ask you this: how many do they give up tonite? They've built up a perception that their defense is playing very well and the numbers show so is tomite the nite where everything goes to sh@t and then next week they go into Pittsburgh out of sorts? I'm just curious to know here. The totals st the books go from 17-18. I can tell you this: of the Dolphins don't exceed that number, very good chance they don't cover.
A few other stats here:
Points per play: NE =4th, Miami = 26th
THE BIG STAT:
Defensive red zone efficiency:
NE= 7th, MIAMI 32nd....DEAD LAST
Interesting game tonite but do we see these teams all of the sudden become opposites after 3/4 of the season?
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Everybody wants to talk about the offense of the Patriots....let ls take a look at their defense. Before we do that, please know I am not buying New England come playoff time because the perception is different from the realities for THIS YEAR. I think their defense is beatable but only by a few teams. Is Miami one of them? Not so sure.
Since the Carolina game, the numbers show the amount of points given up each week:
Bucs 14
Jets 17
Falcons 7
Chargers 13
Broncos 16
Raiders 8
Dolphins 17
Bills 3
So let me ask you this: how many do they give up tonite? They've built up a perception that their defense is playing very well and the numbers show so is tomite the nite where everything goes to sh@t and then next week they go into Pittsburgh out of sorts? I'm just curious to know here. The totals st the books go from 17-18. I can tell you this: of the Dolphins don't exceed that number, very good chance they don't cover.
A few other stats here:
Points per play: NE =4th, Miami = 26th
THE BIG STAT:
Defensive red zone efficiency:
NE= 7th, MIAMI 32nd....DEAD LAST
Interesting game tonite but do we see these teams all of the sudden become opposites after 3/4 of the season?
I can assure the outcome of tonight's game has nothing to do with next weeks spread, unless Brady is out. That's just a ridiculous assumption, the Pats could lose or win 55-0 and it wouldn't effect the spread one point. Of course, the NFL won't allow them to lose if it's even remotely close, and that's a fact.
Exactly, books are not gonna give away points to either team
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Quote Originally Posted by charlielo55:
I can assure the outcome of tonight's game has nothing to do with next weeks spread, unless Brady is out. That's just a ridiculous assumption, the Pats could lose or win 55-0 and it wouldn't effect the spread one point. Of course, the NFL won't allow them to lose if it's even remotely close, and that's a fact.
Exactly, books are not gonna give away points to either team
Just out of couriosity Achilles.....Why do you even engage with trolls who bring no value or valid input to the forum?
Reply with a and move on and continue to do what you do and obviousely the trolls can not and that's provide in depth analysis and above all winners. Thank You for NOT calling it quits and putting up with the daily nonsense such as you do.
Great question: I engage so that posters see who the fakes are and who the leaches are. Covers ain't gonna get rid of them. H@ll covers is the big problem. If you don't think this site employs most of these scumbags you are nuts. It's not my responsibility to do this but it just pisses me off do much because I bet you many actually believe in these people. Not cool when real money is involved. I got my own thing going on outside if this place and it's going very well and as much as I should just peace out, I still do have some amigos and amigas in here that I converse with. People think I'm this a$$hole who just tells people off and at times I can be that but my intentions always come from a good place so long as there is respect involved. I rarely will seek someone out and be a schmuck; I call those out when they come at me just like some of these tools in here. So many good cappers have left here and it's a shame. It's because of the constant bs this site allows. It's sad.
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Quote Originally Posted by justliketoplay:
Just out of couriosity Achilles.....Why do you even engage with trolls who bring no value or valid input to the forum?
Reply with a and move on and continue to do what you do and obviousely the trolls can not and that's provide in depth analysis and above all winners. Thank You for NOT calling it quits and putting up with the daily nonsense such as you do.
Great question: I engage so that posters see who the fakes are and who the leaches are. Covers ain't gonna get rid of them. H@ll covers is the big problem. If you don't think this site employs most of these scumbags you are nuts. It's not my responsibility to do this but it just pisses me off do much because I bet you many actually believe in these people. Not cool when real money is involved. I got my own thing going on outside if this place and it's going very well and as much as I should just peace out, I still do have some amigos and amigas in here that I converse with. People think I'm this a$$hole who just tells people off and at times I can be that but my intentions always come from a good place so long as there is respect involved. I rarely will seek someone out and be a schmuck; I call those out when they come at me just like some of these tools in here. So many good cappers have left here and it's a shame. It's because of the constant bs this site allows. It's sad.
I can assure the outcome of tonight's game has nothing to do with next weeks spread, unless Brady is out. That's just a ridiculous assumption, the Pats could lose or win 55-0 and it wouldn't effect the spread one point. Of course, the NFL won't allow them to lose if it's even remotely close, and that's a fact.
I 100% disagree with you here. It's ridiculous in my eyes you feel that way bud. Read your comment above. So if the Pats were to lose by 55 tonite, it would affect the spread? You are kidding right? I mean really? You say that tonite has nothing to do with next week insinuating each specific game is it's isolated situation this denouncing any script type talk yet then you say the NFL won't allow the pats to lose tonite? Amigo, you are all over the place here.....
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Quote Originally Posted by charlielo55:
I can assure the outcome of tonight's game has nothing to do with next weeks spread, unless Brady is out. That's just a ridiculous assumption, the Pats could lose or win 55-0 and it wouldn't effect the spread one point. Of course, the NFL won't allow them to lose if it's even remotely close, and that's a fact.
I 100% disagree with you here. It's ridiculous in my eyes you feel that way bud. Read your comment above. So if the Pats were to lose by 55 tonite, it would affect the spread? You are kidding right? I mean really? You say that tonite has nothing to do with next week insinuating each specific game is it's isolated situation this denouncing any script type talk yet then you say the NFL won't allow the pats to lose tonite? Amigo, you are all over the place here.....
Interesting read Achilles. At face value, asking your casual fan who wins this game tonight, one would expect 9/10, if not all 10 to pick the Patriots. No Gronk, no problem. The NE system is constructed with the next man up mentality, and with a "do your job" objective, similar to the way Popovich runs the Spurs in the NBA.
Still, normally a spot like this where everyone is counting you out would be a good place to take the heavy underdog. The problem with that here is, as someone who has perennially watched the NFC North division closely, like yourself, I have witnessed time and time again how unreliable Jay Cutler is. He is the last guy I would want to rely on behind center in a must win division game at home.
Most people I see taking Miami and the points are pegging their hopes on Miami to be able to keep it somewhat close in a game where the Patriots may be "looking ahead." The way I see it, Miami is an average team with an untrustworthy QB and taking +11 may be asking for trouble against a hot team that specializes in game planning.
As far as the total, I think the over is more likely in a Patriots game as they are averaging 29 points per game, and the Dolphins 17.4. Also, a couple interesting stats ESPN threw out:
- Jay Cutler is 0-3 career vs. NE
- MIA has been outscored 42-0 by NE in 1st Quarter of last 3 meetings
- MIA is 1-7 in their past 8 games on Monday Night Football
I'm leaning NE and the over. As always, good luck either way.
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Interesting read Achilles. At face value, asking your casual fan who wins this game tonight, one would expect 9/10, if not all 10 to pick the Patriots. No Gronk, no problem. The NE system is constructed with the next man up mentality, and with a "do your job" objective, similar to the way Popovich runs the Spurs in the NBA.
Still, normally a spot like this where everyone is counting you out would be a good place to take the heavy underdog. The problem with that here is, as someone who has perennially watched the NFC North division closely, like yourself, I have witnessed time and time again how unreliable Jay Cutler is. He is the last guy I would want to rely on behind center in a must win division game at home.
Most people I see taking Miami and the points are pegging their hopes on Miami to be able to keep it somewhat close in a game where the Patriots may be "looking ahead." The way I see it, Miami is an average team with an untrustworthy QB and taking +11 may be asking for trouble against a hot team that specializes in game planning.
As far as the total, I think the over is more likely in a Patriots game as they are averaging 29 points per game, and the Dolphins 17.4. Also, a couple interesting stats ESPN threw out:
- Jay Cutler is 0-3 career vs. NE
- MIA has been outscored 42-0 by NE in 1st Quarter of last 3 meetings
- MIA is 1-7 in their past 8 games on Monday Night Football
I'm leaning NE and the over. As always, good luck either way.
No one on planet earth has cost me more money than Jay Cutler. Take a look at his all time ATS rcord. There has never been a bigger Sissy to play the game of football! I bet on him years ago. Never anymore. I go against or pass. Best of luck. Jay Cutler needs knee pads but for a different reason than most!
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No one on planet earth has cost me more money than Jay Cutler. Take a look at his all time ATS rcord. There has never been a bigger Sissy to play the game of football! I bet on him years ago. Never anymore. I go against or pass. Best of luck. Jay Cutler needs knee pads but for a different reason than most!
Great insight straight cash. Great data at the end as well. A lot would need to go right for the Dolphins to cover here; not saying it can't happen but Cutler is Cutler and we know that can be a dead end
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Great insight straight cash. Great data at the end as well. A lot would need to go right for the Dolphins to cover here; not saying it can't happen but Cutler is Cutler and we know that can be a dead end
I can't see why some people think the Pats are looking ahead to next week and will only do enough to get a win tonight. That's laughable, the Dolphins play them well and maybe they will keep it close but in no way, shape or form will the Pats take their foot off the gas for this game. They don't want to go into Pittsburgh needing to win to have a chance at home field advantage. They now need to win this game to keep pace with the Steelers. They are the better team amd even without Gronk out, they should roll tonight. Miami defense is not good and Jay Cutler is so inconsistent I could never put my money on him. Sometimes I don't think he even cares if he wins.
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I can't see why some people think the Pats are looking ahead to next week and will only do enough to get a win tonight. That's laughable, the Dolphins play them well and maybe they will keep it close but in no way, shape or form will the Pats take their foot off the gas for this game. They don't want to go into Pittsburgh needing to win to have a chance at home field advantage. They now need to win this game to keep pace with the Steelers. They are the better team amd even without Gronk out, they should roll tonight. Miami defense is not good and Jay Cutler is so inconsistent I could never put my money on him. Sometimes I don't think he even cares if he wins.
Why punk everything he said is true it's all subjective
No sh@t sherlock. Is there a such thing as pregame objective insight? It's a discussion thread. You have a hard time reading huh? What's the first sentence say in the first post smart guy? Also, If you read further dingleberry, you'd see there are some OBJECTIVE stats towards the end of the thread. Still nothing to offer though huh? What's your record? What's your play tonite? Any analysis from your end or just another sideline punk wanting attention in here? Another rhetorical question today.....
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Quote Originally Posted by LoxLexis:
Why punk everything he said is true it's all subjective
No sh@t sherlock. Is there a such thing as pregame objective insight? It's a discussion thread. You have a hard time reading huh? What's the first sentence say in the first post smart guy? Also, If you read further dingleberry, you'd see there are some OBJECTIVE stats towards the end of the thread. Still nothing to offer though huh? What's your record? What's your play tonite? Any analysis from your end or just another sideline punk wanting attention in here? Another rhetorical question today.....
Why are you asking about records ? you sound like a 10 year old
My dogs better than your dog
You really are dumb huh? You b@tch about subjectivity which insinuates you are a black and white guy that like things objective....Right? I mean you were s d@ck about it above yet again. So with that, I ask for YOUR record because until you provide one, nothing you say can be taken seriously. Why? What have you offered since the first time you were a schmuck in my thread last week? Anything? Do you make plays? Do you have writeups? Of course you won't answer those questions.....Do you get my point though chief? Does it register now? See....you fit right in on this site. You offer nothing, you have a big mouth with nothing objective to back it up and your indirect craving for picks in people's threads can be sensed a mile away. We call that a leach in here. Congrats
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Quote Originally Posted by LoxLexis:
Why are you asking about records ? you sound like a 10 year old
My dogs better than your dog
You really are dumb huh? You b@tch about subjectivity which insinuates you are a black and white guy that like things objective....Right? I mean you were s d@ck about it above yet again. So with that, I ask for YOUR record because until you provide one, nothing you say can be taken seriously. Why? What have you offered since the first time you were a schmuck in my thread last week? Anything? Do you make plays? Do you have writeups? Of course you won't answer those questions.....Do you get my point though chief? Does it register now? See....you fit right in on this site. You offer nothing, you have a big mouth with nothing objective to back it up and your indirect craving for picks in people's threads can be sensed a mile away. We call that a leach in here. Congrats
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