And I don't know about everyone else... but isn't it defense
USUALLY wins the game. I mean, QB's usually play well if they are
constantly being pressured which leads to great interceptions, bad
throws, and such... and if you dont have any type of a run game... will
you have a good passing game especially against the top pass defense?
The real question is... can the cards stop pitts offense, if so... they might have a small chance of covering or winning.
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And I don't know about everyone else... but isn't it defense
USUALLY wins the game. I mean, QB's usually play well if they are
constantly being pressured which leads to great interceptions, bad
throws, and such... and if you dont have any type of a run game... will
you have a good passing game especially against the top pass defense?
The real question is... can the cards stop pitts offense, if so... they might have a small chance of covering or winning.
When I saw the line at first, I was inclined to take the Steelers -7. But, taking a page from last year, and many other years, the team with the hot hand tends to either win, or show an excellent game. One fundamental about pro football betting is a team with an excellent passing game always keeps you in contention to cover. If Bouldin is playing with Fitzgerald, Pitt will have a tough time containing both of those guys. Given Warner's SB experience, I do believe Arizona will cover and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they won. You can put those stats out there all you want, I see an Arizona team that is peaking at the right time and playing with a ton of confidence. Also, if you haven't noticed, Tomlin is a terrible game time coach. I've watched Pittsburgh play many times this year, and he has made some very stupid decisions, so remember to factor in that anomoly.
Arizona +7 & over 46.5. The Steelers tire toward the end of the game from chasing the receivers of Zona and they get a back door cover. Also, I'm taking the Steelers to win the coin toss -105. They're the luckiest damn team ever - remember the immaculate reception?
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When I saw the line at first, I was inclined to take the Steelers -7. But, taking a page from last year, and many other years, the team with the hot hand tends to either win, or show an excellent game. One fundamental about pro football betting is a team with an excellent passing game always keeps you in contention to cover. If Bouldin is playing with Fitzgerald, Pitt will have a tough time containing both of those guys. Given Warner's SB experience, I do believe Arizona will cover and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they won. You can put those stats out there all you want, I see an Arizona team that is peaking at the right time and playing with a ton of confidence. Also, if you haven't noticed, Tomlin is a terrible game time coach. I've watched Pittsburgh play many times this year, and he has made some very stupid decisions, so remember to factor in that anomoly.
Arizona +7 & over 46.5. The Steelers tire toward the end of the game from chasing the receivers of Zona and they get a back door cover. Also, I'm taking the Steelers to win the coin toss -105. They're the luckiest damn team ever - remember the immaculate reception?
Id rather put my money on facts than luck. Like I said... how can you have a good passing game if you have no rush to set it up and constantly being pressured. Lol, the secondary won't need be tired due to the D line sacking a Non mobile QB. What will be exciting are those interceptions for a TD Plus... Arizona's D wont stop Pitts offense... its a fact, The defensive team has an advantage and vegas knows it therefor the line is at -7
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Id rather put my money on facts than luck. Like I said... how can you have a good passing game if you have no rush to set it up and constantly being pressured. Lol, the secondary won't need be tired due to the D line sacking a Non mobile QB. What will be exciting are those interceptions for a TD Plus... Arizona's D wont stop Pitts offense... its a fact, The defensive team has an advantage and vegas knows it therefor the line is at -7
Really?? I thought Atlanta and Arizona made it into the playoffs.....think thats 2.....NE won 11 games and Denver almost won its division....yep, nobody would want a good offense....
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Quote Originally Posted by MaxDawg15:
(to Back up my previous statement)
Look at these top offenses... Hey got these teams far 1 team out of six made it into playoffs
Really?? I thought Atlanta and Arizona made it into the playoffs.....think thats 2.....NE won 11 games and Denver almost won its division....yep, nobody would want a good offense....
Id rather put my money on facts than luck. Like I said... how can you have a good passing game if you have no rush to set it up and constantly being pressured. Lol, the secondary won't need be tired due to the D line sacking a Non mobile QB. What will be exciting are those interceptions for a TD Plus... Arizona's D wont stop Pitts offense... its a fact, The defensive team has an advantage and vegas knows it therefor the line is at -7
So, you're saying it isn't a fact that Arizona is not playing at their peak? Then you're also saying that it isn't a fact that Bouldin and Fitzgerald are two of the most premier receivers, and by all means the most dangerous tandem since Rice & Taylor? I'll agree with the non mobile QB, but after AZ hits some quick ones, that'll keep Pitt honest and lessen their blitzes. Also, look for Tomlin to be certain Pitt doesn't play with abandon like they are good at.
I'd much rather take a home dog with an outstanding passing game than I would an excellent D with a marginal (at best) O.
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Quote Originally Posted by MaxDawg15:
Id rather put my money on facts than luck. Like I said... how can you have a good passing game if you have no rush to set it up and constantly being pressured. Lol, the secondary won't need be tired due to the D line sacking a Non mobile QB. What will be exciting are those interceptions for a TD Plus... Arizona's D wont stop Pitts offense... its a fact, The defensive team has an advantage and vegas knows it therefor the line is at -7
So, you're saying it isn't a fact that Arizona is not playing at their peak? Then you're also saying that it isn't a fact that Bouldin and Fitzgerald are two of the most premier receivers, and by all means the most dangerous tandem since Rice & Taylor? I'll agree with the non mobile QB, but after AZ hits some quick ones, that'll keep Pitt honest and lessen their blitzes. Also, look for Tomlin to be certain Pitt doesn't play with abandon like they are good at.
I'd much rather take a home dog with an outstanding passing game than I would an excellent D with a marginal (at best) O.
Would yuo say that keeping McNabb & co. to only 25 points a valiant effort? I damn sure would and Philly is a much better Offensive team than Pittsburgh is this year. You can eschew all the stats you want, just remember, those things date back to the beginning of the year. The team that is peaking is usually the one that covers. Do you not remember the Giants last year? On paper, NE was a much better team, but NY came in playing their best ball and the rest was history.
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Would yuo say that keeping McNabb & co. to only 25 points a valiant effort? I damn sure would and Philly is a much better Offensive team than Pittsburgh is this year. You can eschew all the stats you want, just remember, those things date back to the beginning of the year. The team that is peaking is usually the one that covers. Do you not remember the Giants last year? On paper, NE was a much better team, but NY came in playing their best ball and the rest was history.
Let TRAIN69 and talent888 keep pimpin' for Arizona.......it's funny...........no matter how you defuse their argument they blindly look past the facts...........you can't argue with people who refuse to see that they are wrong WHEN THEY ARE WRONG........it's their money to lose................I'll be cashin' in on the Steelers over here
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Let TRAIN69 and talent888 keep pimpin' for Arizona.......it's funny...........no matter how you defuse their argument they blindly look past the facts...........you can't argue with people who refuse to see that they are wrong WHEN THEY ARE WRONG........it's their money to lose................I'll be cashin' in on the Steelers over here
Good points... but didn't Giants have a Defense to back them up? I believe they were in the top ten Also I believe their defense won the game.
Sorry, forgot about Atlanta.. and NE and Denver didn't make it to the playoffs... end of story... almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Tomlin making bad decisions? What were they, or was he just confident in his team? I mean, he did get his team in the playoffs. And ya Warner Blah Blah Blah, Fitz Blah blah blah... from I remember... a GOOD TEAM wins championships, not a 2 man team. Warner and Fitz or great Defensive Players, NOT!
Ya, pitts offense is "OK" but will look "GREAT" against a bad defense.
Sure... take a bad team on the road with thier small fan base. I mean, they got creamed ALMOST every game without their fans.
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Good points... but didn't Giants have a Defense to back them up? I believe they were in the top ten Also I believe their defense won the game.
Sorry, forgot about Atlanta.. and NE and Denver didn't make it to the playoffs... end of story... almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Tomlin making bad decisions? What were they, or was he just confident in his team? I mean, he did get his team in the playoffs. And ya Warner Blah Blah Blah, Fitz Blah blah blah... from I remember... a GOOD TEAM wins championships, not a 2 man team. Warner and Fitz or great Defensive Players, NOT!
Ya, pitts offense is "OK" but will look "GREAT" against a bad defense.
Sure... take a bad team on the road with thier small fan base. I mean, they got creamed ALMOST every game without their fans.
And yes... its a neutral site.. but Steeler fans are Everywhere... Maybe because of their great history of being good? Are that everyone has worked in Pittsburgh back in the day before technology kicked out steal mills and everyone migrated to where every.
FACT: Steelers have more fans, and will be alot more Steeler fans at that stadium then cardnal fans. so it is almost like a road game
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And yes... its a neutral site.. but Steeler fans are Everywhere... Maybe because of their great history of being good? Are that everyone has worked in Pittsburgh back in the day before technology kicked out steal mills and everyone migrated to where every.
FACT: Steelers have more fans, and will be alot more Steeler fans at that stadium then cardnal fans. so it is almost like a road game
Remember when the Steelers won the Superbowl... they played the Colts... The Colts O was Stacked with an ok D, you would think Manning had it made with all his receivers and just pass all day. But what happened? He was pressured, bed decisions, game over. Isn't this like the same deal? Or when it was Oakland VS Tampa Bay. A Great Offense with an ok D VS the Best Defense in the league. What happened? Oaklands QB was pressured, bad desisions, end of game. Mmmmm... I can't wait to see what happens in the Superbowl
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Remember when the Steelers won the Superbowl... they played the Colts... The Colts O was Stacked with an ok D, you would think Manning had it made with all his receivers and just pass all day. But what happened? He was pressured, bed decisions, game over. Isn't this like the same deal? Or when it was Oakland VS Tampa Bay. A Great Offense with an ok D VS the Best Defense in the league. What happened? Oaklands QB was pressured, bad desisions, end of game. Mmmmm... I can't wait to see what happens in the Superbowl
dude you're a moron, 3 of those teams made it to the playoffs, also New England had the 5th or 6th best record in football and got jobbed because of the system.
you then went on to say this
Posted: 1/21/2009 5:47:20 PMRemember when the
Steelers won the Superbowl... they played the Colts... The Colts O was
Stacked with an ok D, you would think Manning had it made with all his
receivers and just pass all day
you're an idiot, maybe the steelers will play the colts in the superbowl again next year. also your good offense doesn't win is moronic because new orleans and denver, houston, and atlanta all had absolutely horrible defenses. the cardinals defense has played better as of late. they put it on cruise control against the eagles and the eagles made it a game. the steelers have a good defense and will get stopped, but if you think they are capable of shutting down fitzgerald, boldin, warner, pope, and breaston, you are a moron (which i suspect you are) the steelers offense is not even close to good, fast willie isn't so fast anymore, their best playmaker on offense if he even plays will be far from 100%, and for the person who said the eagles defense wasn't close to pitts, remember pitts put up 6 against philly, and the cardinals just put up 32. i'm not saying the cardinals will win, but i'm saying pitts is far from the sure thing you people believe.
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Quote Originally Posted by MaxDawg15:
(to Back up my previous statement)
Look at these top offenses... Hey got these teams far 1 team out of six made it into playoffs
dude you're a moron, 3 of those teams made it to the playoffs, also New England had the 5th or 6th best record in football and got jobbed because of the system.
you then went on to say this
Posted: 1/21/2009 5:47:20 PMRemember when the
Steelers won the Superbowl... they played the Colts... The Colts O was
Stacked with an ok D, you would think Manning had it made with all his
receivers and just pass all day
you're an idiot, maybe the steelers will play the colts in the superbowl again next year. also your good offense doesn't win is moronic because new orleans and denver, houston, and atlanta all had absolutely horrible defenses. the cardinals defense has played better as of late. they put it on cruise control against the eagles and the eagles made it a game. the steelers have a good defense and will get stopped, but if you think they are capable of shutting down fitzgerald, boldin, warner, pope, and breaston, you are a moron (which i suspect you are) the steelers offense is not even close to good, fast willie isn't so fast anymore, their best playmaker on offense if he even plays will be far from 100%, and for the person who said the eagles defense wasn't close to pitts, remember pitts put up 6 against philly, and the cardinals just put up 32. i'm not saying the cardinals will win, but i'm saying pitts is far from the sure thing you people believe.
First to mention Arizona plays extremely well at home. They are a totally different team at home then on the road or at a nuturel site in which the Superbowl will be at. Quick stat to keep in mind, Arizona is 6-2 at home. They are just 4-5 on the road.
Looking at this game, this is a very intresting match up. One of the better offenses in Arizona Vs. the best defense in Pittsburgh. When braking down this game, Pittsburgh should dominate thorughout the game. Here is why they dominate and go on to win this game.
This year Pitt has one of the best defenses of all time. First off Arizona thrives on the pass and they struggle to run the ball game in and game out. In fact Arizona is ranked dead last in the NFL with the run. Pitt is ranked first against the pass allowing just 156.9 ypg. Pitt is also 2nd vs the run. There will be no way Arizona will move the ball vs Pitt. Pitt also loves to blitz as they are without a doubt the best blizting team in the NFL. For NFL standards Warner is conderised very old and also very immobile. There is no way Warner can escape Pitt's blitz.
We see that Arizona is ranked #4 in total offense in which they gained 365 ypg. After taking a closer look at the offensive numbers this year, these offensive numbers is nothing but a big FRAUD. They have by far the weakest division in all of football. They got to play all these teams twice. These teams includes St Louis ranked 28, Seattle ranked 30 and San Fransisco ranked 13 in total defense. In those 6 games they averaged 403 ypg. That is almost 40 ypg better then their season average. Play those very weak teams will make any offesne look much better then it really is. Arizona played 6 teams that are ranked in the top 10 in total defense. These teams include Giants, Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles (twice), Vikings, and Patriots. In these 7 games they averaged a mere 298 ypg. I repeat they averaged just 298 ypg!! That is a dismal 67 yards below their season average. This will be by leaps and bounds the best defense Arizona will face all year. Pitt will shut down Arizona!
The most suprising stat of this match up is on the defensive side of the ball. Pittsburgh is ranked #1 in total defense and statistically I repeat statistically one of the top 5 or 6 defenses of ALL TIME!! Arizona is ranked #19 in total defense and #28 in points allowed. Important to note Seattle ranked 28th, St Louis ranked 27th and San Fransico ranked 23 in total offense. Still with these 6 easy games Arizona still cant stop anyone. Big Ben, Willie Parker, Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes and crew will rip through that weak very soft defense.
Pittsburgh has the most underrated offense in all of the NFL. Pitt will put points up no doubt about it. How you ask? Yes I know they are ranked just 22th in total offense. Take a look at their schedule and you will see why. Pitt has faced 9 out of the top 12 defenses in the NFL. That includes a stagering 11 out of their 16 games in which they had to face a defense that was ranked 12th or better. I repeat 11 out of the 16 games. Some experts say that Pittsburgh played the toughest scdedule they have ever seen.
Pittsburgh's record is 14-4 and Arizona's record is 12-7. Pitt had the toughest schedule in the NFL. Pitt has faced 10 different teams that have a record of 500 or better. That is 10 out of their 13 teams Pitt has faced. Still with all of this Pittsburgh has a much better record then Arizona and one of the top defenses of all time!!
Bottom line Arizona is no where near the class of Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh the much better team. They are the best team in the NFL. Pittsburgh will win by at least 14 points
Superbowl 2009 besides the pro bowl it will be the last game for the next 7 months or so. GO BIG and GL to all
Pittsburgh ML 20 units to win 7
Pittsburgh Speard -6.5 hook (-120) 10 units
really would like to see stats of their poor performances at a Neutral site
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Quote Originally Posted by WinningUnits:
First to mention Arizona plays extremely well at home. They are a totally different team at home then on the road or at a nuturel site in which the Superbowl will be at. Quick stat to keep in mind, Arizona is 6-2 at home. They are just 4-5 on the road.
Looking at this game, this is a very intresting match up. One of the better offenses in Arizona Vs. the best defense in Pittsburgh. When braking down this game, Pittsburgh should dominate thorughout the game. Here is why they dominate and go on to win this game.
This year Pitt has one of the best defenses of all time. First off Arizona thrives on the pass and they struggle to run the ball game in and game out. In fact Arizona is ranked dead last in the NFL with the run. Pitt is ranked first against the pass allowing just 156.9 ypg. Pitt is also 2nd vs the run. There will be no way Arizona will move the ball vs Pitt. Pitt also loves to blitz as they are without a doubt the best blizting team in the NFL. For NFL standards Warner is conderised very old and also very immobile. There is no way Warner can escape Pitt's blitz.
We see that Arizona is ranked #4 in total offense in which they gained 365 ypg. After taking a closer look at the offensive numbers this year, these offensive numbers is nothing but a big FRAUD. They have by far the weakest division in all of football. They got to play all these teams twice. These teams includes St Louis ranked 28, Seattle ranked 30 and San Fransisco ranked 13 in total defense. In those 6 games they averaged 403 ypg. That is almost 40 ypg better then their season average. Play those very weak teams will make any offesne look much better then it really is. Arizona played 6 teams that are ranked in the top 10 in total defense. These teams include Giants, Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles (twice), Vikings, and Patriots. In these 7 games they averaged a mere 298 ypg. I repeat they averaged just 298 ypg!! That is a dismal 67 yards below their season average. This will be by leaps and bounds the best defense Arizona will face all year. Pitt will shut down Arizona!
The most suprising stat of this match up is on the defensive side of the ball. Pittsburgh is ranked #1 in total defense and statistically I repeat statistically one of the top 5 or 6 defenses of ALL TIME!! Arizona is ranked #19 in total defense and #28 in points allowed. Important to note Seattle ranked 28th, St Louis ranked 27th and San Fransico ranked 23 in total offense. Still with these 6 easy games Arizona still cant stop anyone. Big Ben, Willie Parker, Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes and crew will rip through that weak very soft defense.
Pittsburgh has the most underrated offense in all of the NFL. Pitt will put points up no doubt about it. How you ask? Yes I know they are ranked just 22th in total offense. Take a look at their schedule and you will see why. Pitt has faced 9 out of the top 12 defenses in the NFL. That includes a stagering 11 out of their 16 games in which they had to face a defense that was ranked 12th or better. I repeat 11 out of the 16 games. Some experts say that Pittsburgh played the toughest scdedule they have ever seen.
Pittsburgh's record is 14-4 and Arizona's record is 12-7. Pitt had the toughest schedule in the NFL. Pitt has faced 10 different teams that have a record of 500 or better. That is 10 out of their 13 teams Pitt has faced. Still with all of this Pittsburgh has a much better record then Arizona and one of the top defenses of all time!!
Bottom line Arizona is no where near the class of Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh the much better team. They are the best team in the NFL. Pittsburgh will win by at least 14 points
Superbowl 2009 besides the pro bowl it will be the last game for the next 7 months or so. GO BIG and GL to all
Pittsburgh ML 20 units to win 7
Pittsburgh Speard -6.5 hook (-120) 10 units
really would like to see stats of their poor performances at a Neutral site
Let TRAIN69 and talent888 keep pimpin' for Arizona.......it's funny...........no matter how you defuse their argument they blindly look past the facts...........you can't argue with people who refuse to see that they are wrong WHEN THEY ARE WRONG........it's their money to lose................I'll be cashin' in on the Steelers over here
Fact #1) You suck
Fact #2) Pitt defense is good....but almost 45% of their games were played against the bottom 3 teams offensively in the NFL
Fact #3) Az is the best offense Pitt will have played all year....
Fact#4) Az has more playmakers and the best 2 wrs in this game...
Fact#5) Pitts offense was ranked 22nd in the NFL....
But, hey, those are just a few facts. I'm sure you have some about the other playoff teams that they played and reason why Indy beat them etc....
gl with your pitt play. Wish I was smart enough to take the favorite.
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Quote Originally Posted by blckndgldfn:
Let TRAIN69 and talent888 keep pimpin' for Arizona.......it's funny...........no matter how you defuse their argument they blindly look past the facts...........you can't argue with people who refuse to see that they are wrong WHEN THEY ARE WRONG........it's their money to lose................I'll be cashin' in on the Steelers over here
Fact #1) You suck
Fact #2) Pitt defense is good....but almost 45% of their games were played against the bottom 3 teams offensively in the NFL
Fact #3) Az is the best offense Pitt will have played all year....
Fact#4) Az has more playmakers and the best 2 wrs in this game...
Fact#5) Pitts offense was ranked 22nd in the NFL....
But, hey, those are just a few facts. I'm sure you have some about the other playoff teams that they played and reason why Indy beat them etc....
gl with your pitt play. Wish I was smart enough to take the favorite.
Let TRAIN69 and talent888 keep pimpin' for Arizona.......it's funny...........no matter how you defuse their argument they blindly look past the facts...........you can't argue with people who refuse to see that they are wrong WHEN THEY ARE WRONG........it's their money to lose................I'll be cashin' in on the Steelers over here
This coming from a guy who says that he is the worst capper on this site and to fade him all the time...
I have seen your picks, and I would have to agree...
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Quote Originally Posted by blckndgldfn:
Let TRAIN69 and talent888 keep pimpin' for Arizona.......it's funny...........no matter how you defuse their argument they blindly look past the facts...........you can't argue with people who refuse to see that they are wrong WHEN THEY ARE WRONG........it's their money to lose................I'll be cashin' in on the Steelers over here
This coming from a guy who says that he is the worst capper on this site and to fade him all the time...
I have seen your picks, and I would have to agree...
Esplanade, they obviously still did not get your post...Dense is a loose term with these guys...
Guys, what Esplanade is commenting on is Pitt's D (nothing else) and the fact that 40% of their schedule is against teams with horrible offenses....horrible offenses... A little smoke and mirrors
Basically, I could get a group of 11 together and easily be a top 10 defense in the NFL with their schedule...
Again, this is only talking about their D, not anything else...
OMG!
That was a really stupid comment.
I was respecting your threads until I read that.
You obviously don't know shit about football.
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Quote Originally Posted by talent888:
Esplanade, they obviously still did not get your post...Dense is a loose term with these guys...
Guys, what Esplanade is commenting on is Pitt's D (nothing else) and the fact that 40% of their schedule is against teams with horrible offenses....horrible offenses... A little smoke and mirrors
Basically, I could get a group of 11 together and easily be a top 10 defense in the NFL with their schedule...
Again, this is only talking about their D, not anything else...
I wish like hell I was Winningunits bookie for this game. He and others just don't get it, which is awesome. Pitt averages 11 pts per game, I guarantee AZ gets their 28 easily next week if not more. Pitt's pathetic lackluster loser offense can't possibly hang in Tampa....maybe in a snowy, cold, pathetic surface at home , but not on this fast field with Fitzgerald, Boldin and Edgerin running amuck. Warner shreds this big bad D this week. PITT has no shot winning this, and yet they're the favs by a TD. Hilarious.
AZ 31
Pitt 14
AZ moneyline for an easy victory, this one is over first half.
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I wish like hell I was Winningunits bookie for this game. He and others just don't get it, which is awesome. Pitt averages 11 pts per game, I guarantee AZ gets their 28 easily next week if not more. Pitt's pathetic lackluster loser offense can't possibly hang in Tampa....maybe in a snowy, cold, pathetic surface at home , but not on this fast field with Fitzgerald, Boldin and Edgerin running amuck. Warner shreds this big bad D this week. PITT has no shot winning this, and yet they're the favs by a TD. Hilarious.
AZ 31
Pitt 14
AZ moneyline for an easy victory, this one is over first half.
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Plus... Arizona's D wont stop Pitts offense... its a fact, The defensive team has an advantage and vegas knows it therefor the line is at -7
Keep watching, you'll see!
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