Fields would make fewer mistakes and still get benched for not making the correct plays. Fields is an upgrade from what they have, but doesn’t put them over the top. He is not a too 10 QB no matter who he plays for. He championship game against Alabama told me everything I needed to know. When the talent is equal or better he won’t be his best. His worst will show.
@rosswin97
That’s the problem Ross. You can’t play well based on the other team’s game plan. You have to play well in spite of the other teams game plan consistently. If its all or nothing then you are just a .500 player. Justin Fields isn’t even close to that. And you definitely can’t play your worst in the fourth quarter and biggest games.
I don't think Fields is necessarily going to be a huge upgrade over Pickett but I could see them making this deal anyway. Fields limitations aren't just due to Chicago lack of talent around him, his accuracy and decision making is very suspect. I remember two games, vs Denver and vs Cleveland where he turned the ball over on the last possession when they were only down 3 points. He doesn't hit deep passes. Most teams with good run games, even if they don't have huge total passing yards they have good yards per completion as teams are stacking the box more but Fields was still in the bottom third in that stat even tho they had the 2nd most rush yards in the NFL. DJ Moore is a really good deep threat but he is going to waste because their QB is so limited.
When Rodgers left and the Packers still owned the Bears that doomed Fields in my eyes. Beating GB has to be the litmus test for any Bears QB going forward.
That article says that it's possible Chicago could get a 2nd round or even 1st round pick for Fields. That's crazy talk If I'm Pittsburgh or any other team, I'm not offering anything close to that for a guy who looks like another Ohio St bust. Literally only Stroud has made a successful transition from Buckeye to NFL QB in the last I dunno 20 years?
Any other team will look at it like: you are ready to give up on this guy and since you have the top pick you are probably gonna draft a QB anyway (or get a bunch of picks anyway) so why would I give up a valuable pick? 4th round pick is plenty IMO for a guy who is pretty obviously surplus to requirements.
I don't think they'll trade the top pick either, because they got this pick IN a trade. To make a trade for another team's pick and end up with that pick being the number one is the best result possible and makes the new GM look really smart. to then turn around and undo all that wouldn't make sense. If you're a relatively new GM on a team that needs a QB, getting the top pick in a trade is a dream scenario. You don't want to trade that for a bunch of guys to play with the old GM's pick, you want to use that pick for 'your guy'. Ryan Poles came onboard in 2022 so Fields wasn't his pick, which is another reason I'm certain he will get traded, and another reason I doubt they get much for him. The other teams know he isnt Poles' guy and Poles will want to just move on.. besides they have the number 9 pick also they're not stuck for picks. All he is gonna care about is getting the right QB. If he picks a QB who turns out to be a stud then Ryan Poles is going to look like a real genius.
But that's where it gets tricky. You basically are pinning all your hopes on Caleb Williams and Williams is, IMO, far from a slam dunk QB prospect.
USC was awful, it wasn't all his fault but I didn't think he looked like a superstar waiting to happen, I thought Penix was better than him. But I guess you could say Penix got exposed in the title game.
The other top QBs coming out I can't see Chicago taking. Jaydin Daniels has a very similar skill set and college stats to what Fields had when he came out. Drake Maye is coming out of UNC same school as Trubisky so I imagine they would avoid him like the plague.
JJ McCarthy doesn't get a lot of hype as he is seen as a game manager type of QB but I mean you could do worse than a guy who won a championship and doesn't make mistakes. i like him but I don't think he is exciting enough for anyone to spend a number one pick on.
I'll be surprised if Chicago doesn't use the top pick on Caleb Williams, and considering they have the 9 pick as well I don't think they're gonna drive a hard bargain for Fields nor will anyone give up much for him. Especially Pittsburgh who already has one Bears bustola on their roster and used a draft pick on a QB last year they're not gonna give up a 1st or 2nd.
Apparently odds switch big overnight and Fields stopped following the Chicago Bears and started following the Atlanta Falcons and players on the team. The rumor and its is back by Vegas odds movement is that he will be sent to the Atlanta Falcons and apparently Chicago is drafting Williams at #1. This could all be a smoke screen but the movements by Fields seems odd if it is.
This is all just self promotion in an era where athletes have the ability to control their own narratives as long as enough suckers choose to listen and engage with these tactics.
As a betting man, I'm only interested in finding legit reasons to support making a wager whenever possible.
This is all smoke in my opinion, but the Bears would be fools to keep Fields at this point in his career with him about to make his first real bag as a pro...let Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Washington, whomever take him off their hands and thank their lucky stars they get to hit the reset button with Caleb Williams.
Trade the first pick for a haul.
Draft Marvin Harrison Jr, then draft Oregon Center Jackson Powers-Jonson.
The offense will be set, why hit another reset button? The Bears have been resetting for the last 2 years.
All of this talk in Chicago is warranted. But so much hinges on Caleb Williams.
The crowd is split on the guy. Is he really that good?
Can his game transfer to the nfl level?
Going from facing pac12 defenses to nfl defenses is a big jump. The best defense in the pac12 was Utah, he went 0-3 vs Utah.
Has he ever played in cold weather or the Midwest? Vs Notre Dame at night on October 14, 1 td, 3 interceptions, 13 rushes for -2 yards...
And if you take a survey of past usc qb's to get drafted high, it doesn't leave you with much hope.
Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez, Rodney Pete, Matt Barkley, Rob Johnson, Sam Darnold, Cody Kessler, Carson Palmer(ok we got a winner), and last but not least...Vince fuckin Evans.
I'm probably missing a few.
Ucla was the best defense in the pac-12 this year. Utah was the best last year. Williams didnt really have a problem with utah it was his trash defense that could never get the job done. In 3 games against Utah Williams had 1000 yds passing 8tds and 1int and those 8tds and 1int came in the 2 games last year. Against notre dame he was running for his life the offensive line couldnt hold up against notre dame's defensive line and blitz packages. In only 3 seasons 93 passing tds and only 14 ints in 37 games not to mention his 27 rushing tds at two of the premier football programs in the country and when you see how he did it, his ability, decision making, and accuracy. I consider Williams to be the best qb prospect coming out of college that I can remember and I'll go on record saying he'll be great barring injury and/or never having decent pass protection. Just needs to be a little bit quicker in his reads and decision making on the next level. When he gets that down he's gonna explode.
Pac 12 is so good they only have 2 teams left, Ore St and Wash. St, Mel Kiper was on Bears taking Williams and the Atlanta trade that jesron mention. I lost a bet on USC this year and he did not look good from what I saw, he did beat the MW and Pac 12 to start last year, but lost 5 of 6 starting with ND. From last year I can not see why he is being consider at #1 in draft, and we all have seen the job USC QBs have done in NFL.
Now RB is a different story, plenty of those from USC did well. Pac 12 is dead as a conf. imo and I hope the teams going to new conf. lose every game for 10 years.
If Bears keep Fields they have to pick up his 5th year option...Tied to him for 2 more years...Wasted opportunity...The QB Rookie contract is the Kicker..It resets the bears fro the next 4-5 years....Fields is not good enough in the passing game...U have to draft a QB if u are the Bears...Fields had 3 years...Still an unknown..U cannot risk that if u are the bears...
Fields has shown flashes. I like that he hasnt thrown too many int's. Most of the time when a young qb is said to struggle he has turned the ball over a lot not fields. Hard to properly evaluate he's been in the league 3 years and has had 3 different offensive coordinators that is a story in itself,
No you don't.
Fields has a better qbr than Troy Aikman had in 11 years. And Fields is still learning/improving. Now tell me how the Cowboys won 3 SB's.
Biggest decision in the NFL i can remember in a while
Do you pay Fields or do you reset the QB-clock and get a rookie on a cheap 3-4 year deal?
If you keep Fields you obviously trade out of 1. Trade back to 2 or 3 and then a further trade back from 2 or 3 would be optimal. Bunch of QB needy teams in the top 14...if they traded back to 11-14 they could probably get 3 1s + couple day 2 picks...and then parlay those 1s into more picks to take a shot on a QB if fields doesn't improve the next 2 seasons...but will fields take a 2yr/80m contract or will he want 4-6 years
But is fields it.....personally I don't think so. Which is why I would roll the dice with williams and move on from fields...I assume fields would get Daniel Jones money at minimum 40M/year.
The problem being most other teams probably assume that as well...which hampers fields trade value....
Fields makes a ton of sense to me in Atlanta. Maybe a 2nd and a 5th or a 3rd and a 5th. Doubt Atlanta gives up a 1st for a qb with 3 years of tape.
@dubz4dummyz
"Do you pay Fields or do you reset the QB-clock and get a rookie on a cheap 3-4 year deal?"
No 1st overall pick, especially a qb, is ever cheap.
And why is everyone so sure that Fields is going to cost a lot? He's going into his 4th year, not the 5th. And paying the 5th year option now, is just a myth.
The Bears have the 3rd most salary cap room in the league at the moment as well.
1. Justin Fields probably wants to win.
2. Why I use the Aikman comparison is because the Bears have an opportunity to build their team through the draft, similarly to the Cowboys after they fleeced the Vikings with the Herschel Walker trade.
3. My opinion here. The "experts", the "scouts", and all the "pundits" are overwhelming wrong about the QB position when it pertains to drafting em, year after year. It's mind boggling how many top ranked qb's coming out of college are busts. And the list is long. The list goes back far in the history of the sport.
No one knew Mahomes would be this good. No one saw Purdy coming. No one even cared who Tom Brady was. Now we have these same experts saying that Caleb Williams is the next Mahomes and such. I have to go contrarian on this one.
@undermysac
What makes u think fields won't get paid? The going rate for a decent qb is 35m+
Rookies pay is set in stone basically under the newest CBA. (Bryce Young got 4yr/38m)...or roughly 10 million a year for easy numbers
If they draft a QB 1 , 2 or 3 that qb will make about 25% of what fields will be getting signed for...fields will be looking for Daniel Jones money at minimum (40m a year, maybe 35m at the lowest)
So do u take a rookie for 4 yr/40m
Or
Do you roll with fields for 40m+ for 2 years if he will sign short-term.
I'm not sold on Caleb or fields really...as you say about a 40-50%+ chance Caleb is a bust
But fields to me hasn't made huge strides in 3 years...hes still that 1-2 read, look to scramble qb...
They would be smart to take a haul for #1 and see what fields can do next season....
But obviously the risk is maybe Caleb is a superstar
Another risk is they could love a QB in the draft the next year or 2 but the team picking at 1 drafts him (bears wanting to use draft haul to move up)
Interesting situation anyways
@Biscuiteater1
they still have 9th overall and 3rd most cap space in the league...so they won't go backwards if Caleb is a bust..they will just be looking for another new qb...which half the league is every year
If they trade 1 and fields doesn't get better they are in a very similar situation...looking for a qb
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