Lets hear some theories. Im always in the mood to speculate and try to make some money on the line swing.
I think there was a slight head fake towards SF recently in the line, but I think it will go towards Balt from here. Right now SF is -109 / +101 (at pinny), but am guessing a reversal of that by gametime to Balt -110 / +102.
Anyone think the line will get off 3.5? Any other speculation?
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Lets hear some theories. Im always in the mood to speculate and try to make some money on the line swing.
I think there was a slight head fake towards SF recently in the line, but I think it will go towards Balt from here. Right now SF is -109 / +101 (at pinny), but am guessing a reversal of that by gametime to Balt -110 / +102.
Anyone think the line will get off 3.5? Any other speculation?
I think it will go to 4 by game time. If it goes to 3 then i think baltimore will cover. If it goes to 4 i think niners cover. 3.5 looks like a toss up but i still think niners cover.
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I think it will go to 4 by game time. If it goes to 3 then i think baltimore will cover. If it goes to 4 i think niners cover. 3.5 looks like a toss up but i still think niners cover.
Think it will end at 3. Who do you like at 3.5 van?
Gun to my head.... I take Balt at 3.5.
I thought (and still think) it is a dead 3 point line - so at 3.5 it might be worth a small bet for me - especially at +101 or so.
But I dont love it either way. I do think that the extra week definitely favors Balt in prep for Kapernick. That spread option shouldnt be a problem - and they will make him throw more. I like that position with the Ravens - if he beats us in the air and makes the throws - so be it - but I am going to MAKE him make the throws.
If that happens, Balt is the side I would want to be on.
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Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:
Think it will end at 3. Who do you like at 3.5 van?
Gun to my head.... I take Balt at 3.5.
I thought (and still think) it is a dead 3 point line - so at 3.5 it might be worth a small bet for me - especially at +101 or so.
But I dont love it either way. I do think that the extra week definitely favors Balt in prep for Kapernick. That spread option shouldnt be a problem - and they will make him throw more. I like that position with the Ravens - if he beats us in the air and makes the throws - so be it - but I am going to MAKE him make the throws.
If that happens, Balt is the side I would want to be on.
I would prefer to keep the discussion apples to apples - so lets use the pinnacle line as the source line.
I realize everyone will have a book that is on possibly different numbers, or a local on 4.5 or something - but will the real source line (pinnacle) move?
So far, 2-1 say move to SF.
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I would prefer to keep the discussion apples to apples - so lets use the pinnacle line as the source line.
I realize everyone will have a book that is on possibly different numbers, or a local on 4.5 or something - but will the real source line (pinnacle) move?
Historically, 80% of all bets will come in the last 48 hours and that should be on SF. If you're going to bet Baltimore I think it can only help you to wait.
Kaepernick throwing instead of running only benefits the 49ers I think. His arm accuracy and ability to throw on the move is highly overshadowed by his running. His true strength is his arm, not his legs.
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Historically, 80% of all bets will come in the last 48 hours and that should be on SF. If you're going to bet Baltimore I think it can only help you to wait.
Kaepernick throwing instead of running only benefits the 49ers I think. His arm accuracy and ability to throw on the move is highly overshadowed by his running. His true strength is his arm, not his legs.
Historically, 80% of all bets will come in the last 48 hours and that should be on SF. If you're going to bet Baltimore I think it can only help you to wait.
Kaepernick throwing instead of running only benefits the 49ers I think. His arm accuracy and ability to throw on the move is highly overshadowed by his running. His true strength is his arm, not his legs.
You might be right....
But 8 weeks ago he was on the bench. So make him prove it in the biggest pressure game on the planet.
I would take my chances on that one.
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Quote Originally Posted by dimndimn:
Historically, 80% of all bets will come in the last 48 hours and that should be on SF. If you're going to bet Baltimore I think it can only help you to wait.
Kaepernick throwing instead of running only benefits the 49ers I think. His arm accuracy and ability to throw on the move is highly overshadowed by his running. His true strength is his arm, not his legs.
You might be right....
But 8 weeks ago he was on the bench. So make him prove it in the biggest pressure game on the planet.
Why do you only want to discuss Pinnacle's lines? Is BookMaker and 5Dimes not a large enough book/pool of bettors that would be legitimate enough to go off of? BookMaker is sitting at +4 right now.
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Why do you only want to discuss Pinnacle's lines? Is BookMaker and 5Dimes not a large enough book/pool of bettors that would be legitimate enough to go off of? BookMaker is sitting at +4 right now.
I do not see this move as a head fake. I think the uptick in 49er money was real and any swing back to Baltimore is because much of the gambling world is in love with the dog this year. I am not doubting your reasoning or insight into why you think Baltimore may be a good wager, just my two cents into what the general consensus might be out there in my humble opinion.
If you've looked around here the past 10 days, you for sure have seen the insane amount of love for the Ravens on this board.
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I do not see this move as a head fake. I think the uptick in 49er money was real and any swing back to Baltimore is because much of the gambling world is in love with the dog this year. I am not doubting your reasoning or insight into why you think Baltimore may be a good wager, just my two cents into what the general consensus might be out there in my humble opinion.
If you've looked around here the past 10 days, you for sure have seen the insane amount of love for the Ravens on this board.
If anything this line will go to SF-3 but i think it might hold steady at 3.5 but the price for that might change
I agree with your exact thoughts on Kap and i used the same reasoning as to why i backed ATL last week
If Balt buys into playing disciplined TEAM defense and keep there integrity when rushing the QB i.e not getting out of there rush lanes and keeping Kap in the pocket i will take my chances with him in the pocket making throws with the best saftey to ever play the game lurking back there
BTW i am a cowboy fan not a raven fan despite my username and me living in bmore my whole life. GL all
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If anything this line will go to SF-3 but i think it might hold steady at 3.5 but the price for that might change
I agree with your exact thoughts on Kap and i used the same reasoning as to why i backed ATL last week
If Balt buys into playing disciplined TEAM defense and keep there integrity when rushing the QB i.e not getting out of there rush lanes and keeping Kap in the pocket i will take my chances with him in the pocket making throws with the best saftey to ever play the game lurking back there
BTW i am a cowboy fan not a raven fan despite my username and me living in bmore my whole life. GL all
Why do you only want to discuss Pinnacle's lines? Is BookMaker and 5Dimes not a large enough book/pool of bettors that would be legitimate enough to go off of? BookMaker is sitting at +4 right now.
I see from your multiple posts about it, that you are interested in pointing out that the line is different at other places.
In order to show real movement, you have to have a baseline. I chose Pinnacle simply because it is the biggest sportsbook in the world, and is the source of most line moves.
So lets stick with Pinnacle for the purposes of showing relative movement from a fixed point - in this case the SF -3.5 -109 line that was established in this thread at 1:42 EST Friday.
The line has not moved since then.
I assume by your posts, you are saying that the line WILL move and it will move up to -4 because there are several other places that you know about that are already there.
Fair enough, point taken. It is interesting that it is somewhat split in this thread so far. Keep the opinions coming. As usual, I am more interested in line movement leading up to the game than the actual game itself.
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Quote Originally Posted by luckyhands:
Why do you only want to discuss Pinnacle's lines? Is BookMaker and 5Dimes not a large enough book/pool of bettors that would be legitimate enough to go off of? BookMaker is sitting at +4 right now.
I see from your multiple posts about it, that you are interested in pointing out that the line is different at other places.
In order to show real movement, you have to have a baseline. I chose Pinnacle simply because it is the biggest sportsbook in the world, and is the source of most line moves.
So lets stick with Pinnacle for the purposes of showing relative movement from a fixed point - in this case the SF -3.5 -109 line that was established in this thread at 1:42 EST Friday.
The line has not moved since then.
I assume by your posts, you are saying that the line WILL move and it will move up to -4 because there are several other places that you know about that are already there.
Fair enough, point taken. It is interesting that it is somewhat split in this thread so far. Keep the opinions coming. As usual, I am more interested in line movement leading up to the game than the actual game itself.
Hey VAN, gotta think it'll be mostly 49er money pouring in over the weekend with a -4 the final number. Attractive either way,(sf ML or +4) gotta think there'll be some delicious props... easier pickings than these 2 sides, Game could easily fall SF 3 pt win
How bout you? Leans on props? The total? I could see an absolute defensive slugfest too since coaches are brothers who think similarly
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Hey VAN, gotta think it'll be mostly 49er money pouring in over the weekend with a -4 the final number. Attractive either way,(sf ML or +4) gotta think there'll be some delicious props... easier pickings than these 2 sides, Game could easily fall SF 3 pt win
How bout you? Leans on props? The total? I could see an absolute defensive slugfest too since coaches are brothers who think similarly
vanzack - what do you make of the initial opening line movements? It looks like it shot up from 3.5 to as high as 5 and O/U came down from 49.5 to 47.5 - I can't really grasp the reasoning behind all of this movement.
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vanzack - what do you make of the initial opening line movements? It looks like it shot up from 3.5 to as high as 5 and O/U came down from 49.5 to 47.5 - I can't really grasp the reasoning behind all of this movement.
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