Philly was +3 at home to the Vikes and Falcons. Makes them +6 on a neutral vs those teams. You telling me the Pats would be dogs to the Falcons and Vikes in this game? No chance. This line is simply a product of the Pats playing bad last game and Philly covering by 5 TDs. That's it.
Classic buy low, sell high and how often do you get to do that with the Pats?
Nick Foles has had a career's worth of mediocre play and now he's a great QB after one game? No doubt he played well vs MIN but the guy was 2-15 on deep throws coming into the game and had a 23.3 rating under pressure. Last game he was 4-6 on deep throws (at least a couple when Rhodes went out of the game) and had insane 152 rating when under pressure. With two weeks off, two weeks for Belichick to prepare, I'm betting Foles regresses and regresses hard.
But for Philly he can't afford to regress. We can dissect this game all we want but at the end of the day Foles has to outplay Brady. The Pats are an absurd 29-4 since Brady came back from suspension last year. In the 4 losses the Pats gave up 31,42, 33, and 27 and the opposing QBs had these lines:
68% completions 348 yards 3 TD 0 INT 124.6 RAT
66% completions 263 yards 3 TD 0 INT 112.1 RAT
76% completions 316 yards 3 TD 1 INT 130.8 RAT
80% completions 368 yards 4 TD 0 INT 148.6 RAT
That's the level Foles has to play at to outduel Brady. Mediocre QB off a career game and the greatest coach of all time has two weeks to get him off his spot and make him uncomfortable...the odds Foles plays well again are not good. Sell high.
Pats also off a game where they probably should have lost had Jacksonville not crapped the bed. Down double digits, lost the turnover battle, didn't cover. This current Pats group is 7-1 ATS the last two years off an ATS loss. And how often do the Pats play two bad games? Buy low.
Lots of talk about how NE always play close Super Bowls. I think they are going to win this one by double digits.
GL.
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is on New England -4.
Philly was +3 at home to the Vikes and Falcons. Makes them +6 on a neutral vs those teams. You telling me the Pats would be dogs to the Falcons and Vikes in this game? No chance. This line is simply a product of the Pats playing bad last game and Philly covering by 5 TDs. That's it.
Classic buy low, sell high and how often do you get to do that with the Pats?
Nick Foles has had a career's worth of mediocre play and now he's a great QB after one game? No doubt he played well vs MIN but the guy was 2-15 on deep throws coming into the game and had a 23.3 rating under pressure. Last game he was 4-6 on deep throws (at least a couple when Rhodes went out of the game) and had insane 152 rating when under pressure. With two weeks off, two weeks for Belichick to prepare, I'm betting Foles regresses and regresses hard.
But for Philly he can't afford to regress. We can dissect this game all we want but at the end of the day Foles has to outplay Brady. The Pats are an absurd 29-4 since Brady came back from suspension last year. In the 4 losses the Pats gave up 31,42, 33, and 27 and the opposing QBs had these lines:
68% completions 348 yards 3 TD 0 INT 124.6 RAT
66% completions 263 yards 3 TD 0 INT 112.1 RAT
76% completions 316 yards 3 TD 1 INT 130.8 RAT
80% completions 368 yards 4 TD 0 INT 148.6 RAT
That's the level Foles has to play at to outduel Brady. Mediocre QB off a career game and the greatest coach of all time has two weeks to get him off his spot and make him uncomfortable...the odds Foles plays well again are not good. Sell high.
Pats also off a game where they probably should have lost had Jacksonville not crapped the bed. Down double digits, lost the turnover battle, didn't cover. This current Pats group is 7-1 ATS the last two years off an ATS loss. And how often do the Pats play two bad games? Buy low.
Lots of talk about how NE always play close Super Bowls. I think they are going to win this one by double digits.
Be careful, I also think Pats will win, but they could struggle a little against very good Eagle pass rush and defense, give Bill 2 weeks against any defense and he comes up with great schemes, but I could still see them winning by a field goal, so I wouldn't bet the mortgage on it......
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Be careful, I also think Pats will win, but they could struggle a little against very good Eagle pass rush and defense, give Bill 2 weeks against any defense and he comes up with great schemes, but I could still see them winning by a field goal, so I wouldn't bet the mortgage on it......
Couldn't agree more. Eagles were +6 vs Falcons and +6 vs Vikings (neutral fields), but people still okay taking them at just +4.5 vs a better Pats team.
Good thoughts, GL
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Couldn't agree more. Eagles were +6 vs Falcons and +6 vs Vikings (neutral fields), but people still okay taking them at just +4.5 vs a better Pats team.
The lines were obviously wrong in those Eagles games. And Foles certainly doesn't have to outplay Brady- since 2000, of the 14 games where there was a discrepancy at QB, the team with the superior QB won 5 out of the 14 games straight up and only covered 3 out of the 14 games.
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The lines were obviously wrong in those Eagles games. And Foles certainly doesn't have to outplay Brady- since 2000, of the 14 games where there was a discrepancy at QB, the team with the superior QB won 5 out of the 14 games straight up and only covered 3 out of the 14 games.
Pats defense will give up over 100 ground yards to Jay Ajai alone. I think the Eagles will run through that nonexistent Pats defense like a hot knive through butter.
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Pats defense will give up over 100 ground yards to Jay Ajai alone. I think the Eagles will run through that nonexistent Pats defense like a hot knive through butter.
The lines were obviously wrong in those Eagles games. And Foles certainly doesn't have to outplay Brady- since 2000, of the 14 games where there was a discrepancy at QB, the team with the superior QB won 5 out of the 14 games straight up and only covered 3 out of the 14 games.
Since 2000 the team with the better rated QB in the Super Bowl is 13-4 ATS. Two of the losses were last year when the Falcons pissed away a 99% win with dumb decisions and the other was when Seattle threw the pick at the 1. This stat should really be 15-2 ATS. If Foles doesn't outplay Brady then odds are pretty high that the Pats are going to win ATS.
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Quote Originally Posted by tsw:
The lines were obviously wrong in those Eagles games. And Foles certainly doesn't have to outplay Brady- since 2000, of the 14 games where there was a discrepancy at QB, the team with the superior QB won 5 out of the 14 games straight up and only covered 3 out of the 14 games.
Since 2000 the team with the better rated QB in the Super Bowl is 13-4 ATS. Two of the losses were last year when the Falcons pissed away a 99% win with dumb decisions and the other was when Seattle threw the pick at the 1. This stat should really be 15-2 ATS. If Foles doesn't outplay Brady then odds are pretty high that the Pats are going to win ATS.
The lines were obviously wrong in those Eagles games. And Foles certainly doesn't have to outplay Brady- since 2000, of the 14 games where there was a discrepancy at QB, the team with the superior QB won 5 out of the 14 games straight up and only covered 3 out of the 14 games.
What determines a discrepancy at QB ?
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Quote Originally Posted by tsw:
The lines were obviously wrong in those Eagles games. And Foles certainly doesn't have to outplay Brady- since 2000, of the 14 games where there was a discrepancy at QB, the team with the superior QB won 5 out of the 14 games straight up and only covered 3 out of the 14 games.
Pats defense will give up over 100 ground yards to Jay Ajai alone. I think the Eagles will run through that nonexistent Pats defense like a hot knive through butter.
Ajayi is a major boom or bust player. When he doesn't connect on huge runs, he's just average. It was the case in Miami and is the case in Philly. Take out his two big runs with the Eagles and he's averaging 4.1 YPC. Will he get long runs on NE? Not likely. They've given up three runs of 30+ yards this year in 438 attempts...that's 0.68% of the time.
I'd bet Belichick is much more comfortable stacking the line and letting Foles beat him than vice versa.
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Quote Originally Posted by cropduster:
Pats defense will give up over 100 ground yards to Jay Ajai alone. I think the Eagles will run through that nonexistent Pats defense like a hot knive through butter.
Ajayi is a major boom or bust player. When he doesn't connect on huge runs, he's just average. It was the case in Miami and is the case in Philly. Take out his two big runs with the Eagles and he's averaging 4.1 YPC. Will he get long runs on NE? Not likely. They've given up three runs of 30+ yards this year in 438 attempts...that's 0.68% of the time.
I'd bet Belichick is much more comfortable stacking the line and letting Foles beat him than vice versa.
is on New England -4. Philly was +3 at home to the Vikes and Falcons. Makes them +6 on a neutral vs those teams. You telling me the Pats would be dogs to the Falcons and Vikes in this game? No chance. This line is simply a product of the Pats playing bad last game and Philly covering by 5 TDs. That's it. Classic buy low, sell high and how often do you get to do that with the Pats? Nick Foles has had a career's worth of mediocre play and now he's a great QB after one game? No doubt he played well vs MIN but the guy was 2-15 on deep throws coming into the game and had a 23.3 rating under pressure. Last game he was 4-6 on deep throws (at least a couple when Rhodes went out of the game) and had insane 152 rating when under pressure. With two weeks off, two weeks for Belichick to prepare, I'm betting Foles regresses and regresses hard. But for Philly he can't afford to regress. We can dissect this game all we want but at the end of the day Foles has to outplay Brady. The Pats are an absurd 29-4 since Brady came back from suspension last year. In the 4 losses the Pats gave up 31,42, 33, and 27 and the opposing QBs had these lines: 68% completions 348 yards 3 TD 0 INT 124.6 RAT 66% completions 263 yards 3 TD 0 INT 112.1 RAT 76% completions 316 yards 3 TD 1 INT 130.8 RAT 80% completions 368 yards 4 TD 0 INT 148.6 RAT That's the level Foles has to play at to outduel Brady. Mediocre QB off a career game and the greatest coach of all time has two weeks to get him off his spot and make him uncomfortable...the odds Foles plays well again are not good. Sell high. Pats also off a game where they probably should have lost had Jacksonville not crapped the bed. Down double digits, lost the turnover battle, didn't cover. This current Pats group is 7-1 ATS the last two years off an ATS loss. And how often do the Pats play two bad games? Buy low. Lots of talk about how NE always play close Super Bowls. I think they are going to win this one by double digits. GL.
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Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:
is on New England -4. Philly was +3 at home to the Vikes and Falcons. Makes them +6 on a neutral vs those teams. You telling me the Pats would be dogs to the Falcons and Vikes in this game? No chance. This line is simply a product of the Pats playing bad last game and Philly covering by 5 TDs. That's it. Classic buy low, sell high and how often do you get to do that with the Pats? Nick Foles has had a career's worth of mediocre play and now he's a great QB after one game? No doubt he played well vs MIN but the guy was 2-15 on deep throws coming into the game and had a 23.3 rating under pressure. Last game he was 4-6 on deep throws (at least a couple when Rhodes went out of the game) and had insane 152 rating when under pressure. With two weeks off, two weeks for Belichick to prepare, I'm betting Foles regresses and regresses hard. But for Philly he can't afford to regress. We can dissect this game all we want but at the end of the day Foles has to outplay Brady. The Pats are an absurd 29-4 since Brady came back from suspension last year. In the 4 losses the Pats gave up 31,42, 33, and 27 and the opposing QBs had these lines: 68% completions 348 yards 3 TD 0 INT 124.6 RAT 66% completions 263 yards 3 TD 0 INT 112.1 RAT 76% completions 316 yards 3 TD 1 INT 130.8 RAT 80% completions 368 yards 4 TD 0 INT 148.6 RAT That's the level Foles has to play at to outduel Brady. Mediocre QB off a career game and the greatest coach of all time has two weeks to get him off his spot and make him uncomfortable...the odds Foles plays well again are not good. Sell high. Pats also off a game where they probably should have lost had Jacksonville not crapped the bed. Down double digits, lost the turnover battle, didn't cover. This current Pats group is 7-1 ATS the last two years off an ATS loss. And how often do the Pats play two bad games? Buy low. Lots of talk about how NE always play close Super Bowls. I think they are going to win this one by double digits. GL.
A great post and I could not agree more. Pats are the solid value play here because of the Jax game and the the Eagles/Minny game. But I like them much more than the line value. Pats win by double digits and it might be over by HT. I like the over too for a small play but Pats will crush the Eagles in this spot. Their gameplan is to offensively destroy the Eagles early and often and not rely on Brady to work his magic with 2 minutes left. You heard it here.
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A great post and I could not agree more. Pats are the solid value play here because of the Jax game and the the Eagles/Minny game. But I like them much more than the line value. Pats win by double digits and it might be over by HT. I like the over too for a small play but Pats will crush the Eagles in this spot. Their gameplan is to offensively destroy the Eagles early and often and not rely on Brady to work his magic with 2 minutes left. You heard it here.
QUOTE Originally Posted by cropduster: Pats defense will give up over 100 ground yards to Jay Ajai alone. I think the Eagles will run through that nonexistent Pats defense like a hot knive through butter. Ajayi is a major boom or bust player. When he doesn't connect on huge runs, he's just average. It was the case in Miami and is the case in Philly. Take out his two big runs with the Eagles and he's averaging 4.1 YPC. Will he get long runs on NE? Not likely. They've given up three runs of 30+ yards this year in 438 attempts...that's 0.68% of the time. I'd bet Belichick is much more comfortable stacking the line and letting Foles beat him than vice versa.
Yep, this well might be the Pats' strategy.
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Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:
QUOTE Originally Posted by cropduster: Pats defense will give up over 100 ground yards to Jay Ajai alone. I think the Eagles will run through that nonexistent Pats defense like a hot knive through butter. Ajayi is a major boom or bust player. When he doesn't connect on huge runs, he's just average. It was the case in Miami and is the case in Philly. Take out his two big runs with the Eagles and he's averaging 4.1 YPC. Will he get long runs on NE? Not likely. They've given up three runs of 30+ yards this year in 438 attempts...that's 0.68% of the time. I'd bet Belichick is much more comfortable stacking the line and letting Foles beat him than vice versa.
This game reminds me more and more of the Bears/Colts Super Bowl.
That year by DVOA:
Indianapolis: Offense: 1 Defense: 25
Chicago: Offense: 20 Defense: 2
This year by DVOA
New England: Offense: 1 Defense: 31
Philadelphia: Offense: 8 Defense: 5
PHI O likely around 16th or so with Foles IMO. Bears had a better run game than the current Eagles do. Bears won 39-14 at home in NFC title game that year much like Philly did in this year in the title game. But the Bears' disadvantage at QB showed up in the biggest game as Grossman garbage his pants. Kind of feel Foles does the same here.
Pats 30-17. GL all.
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This game reminds me more and more of the Bears/Colts Super Bowl.
That year by DVOA:
Indianapolis: Offense: 1 Defense: 25
Chicago: Offense: 20 Defense: 2
This year by DVOA
New England: Offense: 1 Defense: 31
Philadelphia: Offense: 8 Defense: 5
PHI O likely around 16th or so with Foles IMO. Bears had a better run game than the current Eagles do. Bears won 39-14 at home in NFC title game that year much like Philly did in this year in the title game. But the Bears' disadvantage at QB showed up in the biggest game as Grossman garbage his pants. Kind of feel Foles does the same here.
Do you know what value means? Obviously the Patriots are overbet, and why wouldn't they be? You can say a lot of things about this game but you can't say the Patriots are the value bet.
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Do you know what value means? Obviously the Patriots are overbet, and why wouldn't they be? You can say a lot of things about this game but you can't say the Patriots are the value bet.
Since 2000 the team with the better rated QB in the Super Bowl is 13-4 ATS. Two of the losses were last year when the Falcons pissed away a 99% win with dumb decisions and the other was when Seattle threw the pick at the 1. This stat should really be 15-2 ATS. If Foles doesn't outplay Brady then odds are pretty high that the Pats are going to win ATS.
What ratings are you using? off the top off my head cam newton lost to manning, brady didn't cover against delhomme, mcnabb, eli twice. dilfer won in 2000. Gesh that's already way more than 4 covers, that's 6 not counting the 2 you mention which i didn't even count. brady is better than ryan and wilson, who cares what some 'rating' says.
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Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:
Since 2000 the team with the better rated QB in the Super Bowl is 13-4 ATS. Two of the losses were last year when the Falcons pissed away a 99% win with dumb decisions and the other was when Seattle threw the pick at the 1. This stat should really be 15-2 ATS. If Foles doesn't outplay Brady then odds are pretty high that the Pats are going to win ATS.
What ratings are you using? off the top off my head cam newton lost to manning, brady didn't cover against delhomme, mcnabb, eli twice. dilfer won in 2000. Gesh that's already way more than 4 covers, that's 6 not counting the 2 you mention which i didn't even count. brady is better than ryan and wilson, who cares what some 'rating' says.
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