If you know anything about 49er football, those words will mean something to you. It was a cool Thanksgiving night in the Bay Area, the Niners had been treading water all year, but this was the game Niner fans had circled, thinking it would be the turning point of their season (and it would, but not in the way they thought). The previous year Seattle had beaten them in the NFC championship game when Richard Sherman intercepted Kap in the endzone. So on Thanksgiving night, in front of a national audience, and in their brand spanking new stadium, the Niners were supposed to finally get their revenge. Instead, the Seahawks humiliated them, officially burying the Harbaugh Niners and sending him (figuratively, and later literally) packing. On that night Jed York tweeted to the fans, apologizing for the Niners poor (and agonizing) performance. If the day of infamy was not bad enough, Richard Sherman and Russell Wilson celebrated the victory by having Thanksgiving dinner on the Niners logo at the 50 yard line. Niner fans and former players were irate, but there was nothing they could do. To the victor goes the spoils. That was 2014 and the Niners would not be relevant or beat the Seahawks again until week 16 of last year, in a hard fought game at home, where they won by 3 in OT. But that game, which the refs practically handed to the Niners by flagging Seattle for 160 yards of penalties, in no way, shape or form makes up for the humiliation the Niners suffered at the hands of the Seahawks on Thanksgiving night in 2014, or the years of losing that they had to go through as a result of that loss and the eventual departure of Harbaugh (their last winning coach).
Ironically enough, Richard Sherman, who played such a key role in that rivalry, and was one of two Seattle players enjoying a turkey leg on the Niners logo, is now not only playing for the Niners but keeping the rivalry alive by constantly reminding these young Niners of what Seattle did to this franchise when it ripped its guts out and left it for dead along with the carcass of the turkey, at the 50. The two games these teams played last year were some of the most vicious, hard hitting games I had seen in today's NFL. There is no love lost between these teams and I'm sure Sherman wants to beat his old team as much as the Niners do. Sherman has his own beef with Wilson and Carroll, the coach who chose to hand over the team to his light-skinned, affable, well-mannered and manicured QB (thus betraying the hard-nosed, smash-mouth, bully-ball brand of football that his less commercially marketable and gentrified black players had cultivated by sacrificing their hearts, bodies, and souls) by throwing the ball from the goal line, instead of just punching it in, in the final moments of the SB.
All this to say, the Niners organization and Sherman have been waiting to get revenge on Carroll, Wilson, and the Seahawks for a long time. And this Monday night, in front of a national audience, with the Hawks coming in with high hopes of upsetting the Niners, is the perfect spot (the kind a gambler waits years for) to do just that! In fact, it could not be set up any better. And here is why:
1) The Niners are coming off a Thursday night game where the defense performed poorly, including Sherman. That was a wake up call to all those guys. If they had played Seattle after the Carolina game (where they dominated) that would not bode well for Monday. Instead, we get a defense that will be out to prove its dominance once again.
2) The Niners last played on Thursday, and are not playing until next Monday night, making this past week almost a bye week. Shanahan will have had almost two weeks to prepare for this Seattle team! The last time that happened was when Shanahan was the OC of the Falcons in the playoffs, and that team, which had a better offense but a worse defense, beat Seattle 36-20.
3) The Niners are getting healthier. They likely get their starting tackles and full back back for this huge divisional game. That means their offense will be even more potent and devastating than it has been. If Seattle gave up 34 to Winston and the Bucs at home, how will they fare against an SF team that can slice and dice you in a million ways?
4) The Seahawks have had a brutal schedule, alternating home and away games every week without a bye week! And if all that was not bad enough, their last game was an emotionally draining win where they had to fight hard to come from behind to win it in OT. In fact, if you look at Seattle's games, most have been near defeats, with Wilson pulling it out in the end. This team could easily be 4-5 if not for Wilson's heroics. That is not a recipe for success in the long haul, especially against elite competition.
5) If losing on Thanksgiving was bad, losing to the Hawks as the last undefeated team in the NFL, on Monday Night Football no less, would be 10 times worse for the Niners franchise. This is important to remember.
6) After seeing Arizona's rookie QB almost single handedly destroy the Niner's perfect season and after watching what a mobile QB like Jackson did to the Pats, their vaunted defense, and their undefeated season on SNF, the public is thinking Wilson is going to duplicate the feat. They are pounding the Hawks, making them a public dog, which is a good thing, especially as the line is holding steady.
7) The Niners have a real shot at burying the Hawks on Monday. Looking at their schedule, the Hawks don't have any margin for error. By beating them on Monday, Niners will put a real dent in the Hawks playoff chances (the Rams will likely overtake them), thus getting revenge for all the heartache and misery that Wilson and the gum chomping Carroll have caused the Niners over the years.
The Play: Niners -6 for 5 units
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If you know anything about 49er football, those words will mean something to you. It was a cool Thanksgiving night in the Bay Area, the Niners had been treading water all year, but this was the game Niner fans had circled, thinking it would be the turning point of their season (and it would, but not in the way they thought). The previous year Seattle had beaten them in the NFC championship game when Richard Sherman intercepted Kap in the endzone. So on Thanksgiving night, in front of a national audience, and in their brand spanking new stadium, the Niners were supposed to finally get their revenge. Instead, the Seahawks humiliated them, officially burying the Harbaugh Niners and sending him (figuratively, and later literally) packing. On that night Jed York tweeted to the fans, apologizing for the Niners poor (and agonizing) performance. If the day of infamy was not bad enough, Richard Sherman and Russell Wilson celebrated the victory by having Thanksgiving dinner on the Niners logo at the 50 yard line. Niner fans and former players were irate, but there was nothing they could do. To the victor goes the spoils. That was 2014 and the Niners would not be relevant or beat the Seahawks again until week 16 of last year, in a hard fought game at home, where they won by 3 in OT. But that game, which the refs practically handed to the Niners by flagging Seattle for 160 yards of penalties, in no way, shape or form makes up for the humiliation the Niners suffered at the hands of the Seahawks on Thanksgiving night in 2014, or the years of losing that they had to go through as a result of that loss and the eventual departure of Harbaugh (their last winning coach).
Ironically enough, Richard Sherman, who played such a key role in that rivalry, and was one of two Seattle players enjoying a turkey leg on the Niners logo, is now not only playing for the Niners but keeping the rivalry alive by constantly reminding these young Niners of what Seattle did to this franchise when it ripped its guts out and left it for dead along with the carcass of the turkey, at the 50. The two games these teams played last year were some of the most vicious, hard hitting games I had seen in today's NFL. There is no love lost between these teams and I'm sure Sherman wants to beat his old team as much as the Niners do. Sherman has his own beef with Wilson and Carroll, the coach who chose to hand over the team to his light-skinned, affable, well-mannered and manicured QB (thus betraying the hard-nosed, smash-mouth, bully-ball brand of football that his less commercially marketable and gentrified black players had cultivated by sacrificing their hearts, bodies, and souls) by throwing the ball from the goal line, instead of just punching it in, in the final moments of the SB.
All this to say, the Niners organization and Sherman have been waiting to get revenge on Carroll, Wilson, and the Seahawks for a long time. And this Monday night, in front of a national audience, with the Hawks coming in with high hopes of upsetting the Niners, is the perfect spot (the kind a gambler waits years for) to do just that! In fact, it could not be set up any better. And here is why:
1) The Niners are coming off a Thursday night game where the defense performed poorly, including Sherman. That was a wake up call to all those guys. If they had played Seattle after the Carolina game (where they dominated) that would not bode well for Monday. Instead, we get a defense that will be out to prove its dominance once again.
2) The Niners last played on Thursday, and are not playing until next Monday night, making this past week almost a bye week. Shanahan will have had almost two weeks to prepare for this Seattle team! The last time that happened was when Shanahan was the OC of the Falcons in the playoffs, and that team, which had a better offense but a worse defense, beat Seattle 36-20.
3) The Niners are getting healthier. They likely get their starting tackles and full back back for this huge divisional game. That means their offense will be even more potent and devastating than it has been. If Seattle gave up 34 to Winston and the Bucs at home, how will they fare against an SF team that can slice and dice you in a million ways?
4) The Seahawks have had a brutal schedule, alternating home and away games every week without a bye week! And if all that was not bad enough, their last game was an emotionally draining win where they had to fight hard to come from behind to win it in OT. In fact, if you look at Seattle's games, most have been near defeats, with Wilson pulling it out in the end. This team could easily be 4-5 if not for Wilson's heroics. That is not a recipe for success in the long haul, especially against elite competition.
5) If losing on Thanksgiving was bad, losing to the Hawks as the last undefeated team in the NFL, on Monday Night Football no less, would be 10 times worse for the Niners franchise. This is important to remember.
6) After seeing Arizona's rookie QB almost single handedly destroy the Niner's perfect season and after watching what a mobile QB like Jackson did to the Pats, their vaunted defense, and their undefeated season on SNF, the public is thinking Wilson is going to duplicate the feat. They are pounding the Hawks, making them a public dog, which is a good thing, especially as the line is holding steady.
7) The Niners have a real shot at burying the Hawks on Monday. Looking at their schedule, the Hawks don't have any margin for error. By beating them on Monday, Niners will put a real dent in the Hawks playoff chances (the Rams will likely overtake them), thus getting revenge for all the heartache and misery that Wilson and the gum chomping Carroll have caused the Niners over the years.
the hawks sucks when they are favoured. Always winning by a hair when favored. They had to freaking OT against the Buccs Sunday if they didnt miss that 1 pt kick. Oh, did i say they missed 2 FG if i remember correctly? Only reason why they won is because Buccs defense sucks ass and the Hawks got the ball first during OT, obviously, they won. If Buccs had the ball, im pretty sure they would of won the game.
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the hawks sucks when they are favoured. Always winning by a hair when favored. They had to freaking OT against the Buccs Sunday if they didnt miss that 1 pt kick. Oh, did i say they missed 2 FG if i remember correctly? Only reason why they won is because Buccs defense sucks ass and the Hawks got the ball first during OT, obviously, they won. If Buccs had the ball, im pretty sure they would of won the game.
Well written, nice to see that still exists, however rare it is on this site. Interesting story too, never knew it. I will disagree with you about one thing, you mention the Bucs scoring 34 on the Hawks as if that is unexpected. They have an explosive passing game and only NE, BAL, and the 49ers average more points, (28.8). And if you saw that game you know Wilson was vintage Wilson, dropping perfect passes out of the sky that my mother could catch. And while 50/turkey may still resonate with the fans, not so sure todays players carry animosity about that. That being said, the Niners are the more complete team and if they don't succumb to the pressure of being undefeated against their chief adversary, they should win. This will be Jimmy G's biggest test to date for a QB with 1 year (gamewise) of starts. Wilson's experience and skill gives the Hawks a big advantage at that position. He's unflappable and the Hawks as a road dog are always dangerous. But it's a great matchup, let's hope it lives up to the hype on the worlds' stage known as Monday Night Football! Good luck to you-
"I'm afraid all we may have done is awakened a sleeping giant."
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Well written, nice to see that still exists, however rare it is on this site. Interesting story too, never knew it. I will disagree with you about one thing, you mention the Bucs scoring 34 on the Hawks as if that is unexpected. They have an explosive passing game and only NE, BAL, and the 49ers average more points, (28.8). And if you saw that game you know Wilson was vintage Wilson, dropping perfect passes out of the sky that my mother could catch. And while 50/turkey may still resonate with the fans, not so sure todays players carry animosity about that. That being said, the Niners are the more complete team and if they don't succumb to the pressure of being undefeated against their chief adversary, they should win. This will be Jimmy G's biggest test to date for a QB with 1 year (gamewise) of starts. Wilson's experience and skill gives the Hawks a big advantage at that position. He's unflappable and the Hawks as a road dog are always dangerous. But it's a great matchup, let's hope it lives up to the hype on the worlds' stage known as Monday Night Football! Good luck to you-
BB - play devil’s advocate... how many players are left from that 2014 Niners team? Also, are you aware of Pete Carroll’s night game record?
With that being said, I’ll still probably join you on Niners
All that matters is that Staley and Sherman both played in that game. They are the elder statesmen and team leaders on offense and defense respectively and they carry all the institutional memory necessary to continue this blood feud. Also, what was done to the Niners on that day, and since that day, has more to do with the franchise as a whole. It was a blot on everyone's resume, including the owner, Jed York:
"Thank you #49ersfaithful for coming out strong tonight. This performance wasn't acceptable. I apologize for that"
A tweet like that, by the owner, is not soon forgotten. So this is Shannahan's biggest game by far as a 49ers coach. If they give the Seahawks a thrashing on national TV, it could signal a changing of the guard in the NFC West, at least as far the Seahawks dominating the Niners for the last 6 years is concerned. I don't expect Shanahan to be conservative here. He will open up his entire playbook, stuff we have not even seen yet, that's how big of a game this is in Niner country.
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Quote Originally Posted by BallingLikeNE:
BB - play devil’s advocate... how many players are left from that 2014 Niners team? Also, are you aware of Pete Carroll’s night game record?
With that being said, I’ll still probably join you on Niners
All that matters is that Staley and Sherman both played in that game. They are the elder statesmen and team leaders on offense and defense respectively and they carry all the institutional memory necessary to continue this blood feud. Also, what was done to the Niners on that day, and since that day, has more to do with the franchise as a whole. It was a blot on everyone's resume, including the owner, Jed York:
"Thank you #49ersfaithful for coming out strong tonight. This performance wasn't acceptable. I apologize for that"
A tweet like that, by the owner, is not soon forgotten. So this is Shannahan's biggest game by far as a 49ers coach. If they give the Seahawks a thrashing on national TV, it could signal a changing of the guard in the NFC West, at least as far the Seahawks dominating the Niners for the last 6 years is concerned. I don't expect Shanahan to be conservative here. He will open up his entire playbook, stuff we have not even seen yet, that's how big of a game this is in Niner country.
Do you think this is comfortable win for the Niners? I already played -6 but might add more at an alternate higher line with better odds.
Wilson is never going to quit no matter what the score, so why put yourself through that? If Seattle was the kind of team that threw in the towel, like the Browns, I'd say yes. But here I'd advise against it unless it was just fun money.
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Quote Originally Posted by gooch72:
BB,
Do you think this is comfortable win for the Niners? I already played -6 but might add more at an alternate higher line with better odds.
Wilson is never going to quit no matter what the score, so why put yourself through that? If Seattle was the kind of team that threw in the towel, like the Browns, I'd say yes. But here I'd advise against it unless it was just fun money.
This is a lock if you bet the Seahawks. Outright when or losing by a field goal. Take the points and Wilson.
I love these guys. I tell them this is the biggerst game in half a decade for the niners and their response: take Wilson and forget about if! Ok, thanks. Wilson will get his, no doubt. He is a great player. But last time checked Wilson does not play defense and that Seattle d is suspect at best. All the Niners have to do is dominate time of possession and limit Wilson's opportunities. Good luck with your play.
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Quote Originally Posted by diablogun:
This is a lock if you bet the Seahawks. Outright when or losing by a field goal. Take the points and Wilson.
I love these guys. I tell them this is the biggerst game in half a decade for the niners and their response: take Wilson and forget about if! Ok, thanks. Wilson will get his, no doubt. He is a great player. But last time checked Wilson does not play defense and that Seattle d is suspect at best. All the Niners have to do is dominate time of possession and limit Wilson's opportunities. Good luck with your play.
I rarely post here. But let me tell you something. There is one really bad play you can make this week. You know what that is? Taking Seattle to cover this spread. That's a total fish pick.
Seattle is HORRENDOUS on defense guys. Have you seen this unit play? They give up 23-30 to every team in the league. I think everyone is overlooking this. I think if you asked most people they might say "Eh they're alright on defense." Um, no they aren't, they suck. The Bengals nearly went in and upset them the first week at Seattle. This is one of the worst 7-2 teams I've actually ever seen. They've won every game by 1-4 points and their 2 losses they got smoked. They had no business beating the Browns. Should have lost to the Rams on the Zuerlein fg. They probably lose last week if TB goes for 2 after the TD. They're not good on defense. And this week they're going up against a strong offensive team. Contrary to what people think, Garappolo has like a 74 QBR. He's playing fine, even though a lot of people are giving him overly harsh criticism for some lower point totals vs the Rams and Redskins (in a monsoon). They got a great offensive line and solid receiving core with Sanders. I have no reason to expect them to put up less than 30 here.
Will Seattle put up 27-28 in this game? That's what you gonna need for a good shot at a cover. And quite frankly SF ought to put up like 38 on this joke of a defense. I don't see it. Wilson was bad vs New Orleans. He was bad vs Baltimore. And those are the 2 best teams they played. Yeah he's played well this year, but they've had a lot of soft defenses. This is such a step up. When Seattle doesn't run the ball well, and I doubt they will this game, they can get into trouble if they're playing against an above average secondary. SF is great vs the run and the pass. Last week Seattle took advantage of a terrible TB pass defense. This will be a diff story. Another big flaw in Seattle traditionally is they run the ball too much the first half to try and establish the ground game. They'll struggle on offense if that doesn't work and then they air it out in the second half trying to catch up. This isn't a game where you can fall behind. Their best chance is to go shotgun almost every play from the start and play really aggressively, but I just think this SF defense is too good (especially with Bosa on the edge) to give up more than 23ish points to hardly anyone at home - especially in a prime time game. Seattle has such little margin for error.
Correct play is SF. You know Seattle is terrible on defense. You know SF is a pretty good offensive team. You know SF is a very good defensive team. The unknown is how much damage can Seattle do on offense here. It's gonna have to be a lot, and I think that's unlikely. It's hard to go from playing TB where there is such little resistance to SF (best defense in the NFL) in a night game in their house. This could easily be a 34-13 type game. SF has a chip and they want to bury this overrated Seattle team who is feeling good about themselves after another fluky win. People are putting too much stock in the Arizona game (which was a road game guys - this is home BIG DIFF) where honestly SF probably didn't respect them as an opponent and Zona had a lucky 90 yard pass play at the end to make it close. This is a diff week and every week is its own entity. Hell, the Ravens beat the Pats at home last week. But you know what? They'll get beat up in Gilette in the playoffs when everyone hops on Baltimore thinking they're better than they are. Either bet SF here or don't play the game.
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I rarely post here. But let me tell you something. There is one really bad play you can make this week. You know what that is? Taking Seattle to cover this spread. That's a total fish pick.
Seattle is HORRENDOUS on defense guys. Have you seen this unit play? They give up 23-30 to every team in the league. I think everyone is overlooking this. I think if you asked most people they might say "Eh they're alright on defense." Um, no they aren't, they suck. The Bengals nearly went in and upset them the first week at Seattle. This is one of the worst 7-2 teams I've actually ever seen. They've won every game by 1-4 points and their 2 losses they got smoked. They had no business beating the Browns. Should have lost to the Rams on the Zuerlein fg. They probably lose last week if TB goes for 2 after the TD. They're not good on defense. And this week they're going up against a strong offensive team. Contrary to what people think, Garappolo has like a 74 QBR. He's playing fine, even though a lot of people are giving him overly harsh criticism for some lower point totals vs the Rams and Redskins (in a monsoon). They got a great offensive line and solid receiving core with Sanders. I have no reason to expect them to put up less than 30 here.
Will Seattle put up 27-28 in this game? That's what you gonna need for a good shot at a cover. And quite frankly SF ought to put up like 38 on this joke of a defense. I don't see it. Wilson was bad vs New Orleans. He was bad vs Baltimore. And those are the 2 best teams they played. Yeah he's played well this year, but they've had a lot of soft defenses. This is such a step up. When Seattle doesn't run the ball well, and I doubt they will this game, they can get into trouble if they're playing against an above average secondary. SF is great vs the run and the pass. Last week Seattle took advantage of a terrible TB pass defense. This will be a diff story. Another big flaw in Seattle traditionally is they run the ball too much the first half to try and establish the ground game. They'll struggle on offense if that doesn't work and then they air it out in the second half trying to catch up. This isn't a game where you can fall behind. Their best chance is to go shotgun almost every play from the start and play really aggressively, but I just think this SF defense is too good (especially with Bosa on the edge) to give up more than 23ish points to hardly anyone at home - especially in a prime time game. Seattle has such little margin for error.
Correct play is SF. You know Seattle is terrible on defense. You know SF is a pretty good offensive team. You know SF is a very good defensive team. The unknown is how much damage can Seattle do on offense here. It's gonna have to be a lot, and I think that's unlikely. It's hard to go from playing TB where there is such little resistance to SF (best defense in the NFL) in a night game in their house. This could easily be a 34-13 type game. SF has a chip and they want to bury this overrated Seattle team who is feeling good about themselves after another fluky win. People are putting too much stock in the Arizona game (which was a road game guys - this is home BIG DIFF) where honestly SF probably didn't respect them as an opponent and Zona had a lucky 90 yard pass play at the end to make it close. This is a diff week and every week is its own entity. Hell, the Ravens beat the Pats at home last week. But you know what? They'll get beat up in Gilette in the playoffs when everyone hops on Baltimore thinking they're better than they are. Either bet SF here or don't play the game.
I rarely post here. But let me tell you something. There is one really bad play you can make this week. You know what that is? Taking Seattle to cover this spread. That's a total fish pick.
Seattle is HORRENDOUS on defense guys. Have you seen this unit play? They give up 23-30 to every team in the league. I think everyone is overlooking this. I think if you asked most people they might say "Eh they're alright on defense." Um, no they aren't, they suck. The Bengals nearly went in and upset them the first week at Seattle. This is one of the worst 7-2 teams I've actually ever seen. They've won every game by 1-4 points and their 2 losses they got smoked. They had no business beating the Browns. Should have lost to the Rams on the Zuerlein fg. They probably lose last week if TB goes for 2 after the TD. They're not good on defense. And this week they're going up against a strong offensive team. Contrary to what people think, Garappolo has like a 74 QBR. He's playing fine, even though a lot of people are giving him overly harsh criticism for some lower point totals vs the Rams and Redskins (in a monsoon). They got a great offensive line and solid receiving core with Sanders. I have no reason to expect them to put up less than 30 here.
Will Seattle put up 27-28 in this game? That's what you gonna need for a good shot at a cover. And quite frankly SF ought to put up like 38 on this joke of a defense. I don't see it. Wilson was bad vs New Orleans. He was bad vs Baltimore. And those are the 2 best teams they played. Yeah he's played well this year, but they've had a lot of soft defenses. This is such a step up. When Seattle doesn't run the ball well, and I doubt they will this game, they can get into trouble if they're playing against an above average secondary. SF is great vs the run and the pass. Last week Seattle took advantage of a terrible TB pass defense. This will be a diff story. Another big flaw in Seattle traditionally is they run the ball too much the first half to try and establish the ground game. They'll struggle on offense if that doesn't work and then they air it out in the second half trying to catch up. This isn't a game where you can fall behind. Their best chance is to go shotgun almost every play from the start and play really aggressively, but I just think this SF defense is too good (especially with Bosa on the edge) to give up more than 23ish points to hardly anyone at home - especially in a prime time game. Seattle has such little margin for error.
Correct play is SF. You know Seattle is terrible on defense. You know SF is a pretty good offensive team. You know SF is a very good defensive team. The unknown is how much damage can Seattle do on offense here. It's gonna have to be a lot, and I think that's unlikely. It's hard to go from playing TB where there is such little resistance to SF (best defense in the NFL) in a night game in their house. This could easily be a 34-13 type game. SF has a chip and they want to bury this overrated Seattle team who is feeling good about themselves after another fluky win. People are putting too much stock in the Arizona game (which was a road game guys - this is home BIG DIFF) where honestly SF probably didn't respect them as an opponent and Zona had a lucky 90 yard pass play at the end to make it close. This is a diff week and every week is its own entity. Hell, the Ravens beat the Pats at home last week. But you know what? They'll get beat up in Gilette in the playoffs when everyone hops on Baltimore thinking they're better than they are. Either bet SF here or don't play the game.
Thanks for posting your thoughts/analysis. As you can tell, I agree. Now add the psychological angle to everything you said, and we have a big play.
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Quote Originally Posted by fluffybucker69:
I rarely post here. But let me tell you something. There is one really bad play you can make this week. You know what that is? Taking Seattle to cover this spread. That's a total fish pick.
Seattle is HORRENDOUS on defense guys. Have you seen this unit play? They give up 23-30 to every team in the league. I think everyone is overlooking this. I think if you asked most people they might say "Eh they're alright on defense." Um, no they aren't, they suck. The Bengals nearly went in and upset them the first week at Seattle. This is one of the worst 7-2 teams I've actually ever seen. They've won every game by 1-4 points and their 2 losses they got smoked. They had no business beating the Browns. Should have lost to the Rams on the Zuerlein fg. They probably lose last week if TB goes for 2 after the TD. They're not good on defense. And this week they're going up against a strong offensive team. Contrary to what people think, Garappolo has like a 74 QBR. He's playing fine, even though a lot of people are giving him overly harsh criticism for some lower point totals vs the Rams and Redskins (in a monsoon). They got a great offensive line and solid receiving core with Sanders. I have no reason to expect them to put up less than 30 here.
Will Seattle put up 27-28 in this game? That's what you gonna need for a good shot at a cover. And quite frankly SF ought to put up like 38 on this joke of a defense. I don't see it. Wilson was bad vs New Orleans. He was bad vs Baltimore. And those are the 2 best teams they played. Yeah he's played well this year, but they've had a lot of soft defenses. This is such a step up. When Seattle doesn't run the ball well, and I doubt they will this game, they can get into trouble if they're playing against an above average secondary. SF is great vs the run and the pass. Last week Seattle took advantage of a terrible TB pass defense. This will be a diff story. Another big flaw in Seattle traditionally is they run the ball too much the first half to try and establish the ground game. They'll struggle on offense if that doesn't work and then they air it out in the second half trying to catch up. This isn't a game where you can fall behind. Their best chance is to go shotgun almost every play from the start and play really aggressively, but I just think this SF defense is too good (especially with Bosa on the edge) to give up more than 23ish points to hardly anyone at home - especially in a prime time game. Seattle has such little margin for error.
Correct play is SF. You know Seattle is terrible on defense. You know SF is a pretty good offensive team. You know SF is a very good defensive team. The unknown is how much damage can Seattle do on offense here. It's gonna have to be a lot, and I think that's unlikely. It's hard to go from playing TB where there is such little resistance to SF (best defense in the NFL) in a night game in their house. This could easily be a 34-13 type game. SF has a chip and they want to bury this overrated Seattle team who is feeling good about themselves after another fluky win. People are putting too much stock in the Arizona game (which was a road game guys - this is home BIG DIFF) where honestly SF probably didn't respect them as an opponent and Zona had a lucky 90 yard pass play at the end to make it close. This is a diff week and every week is its own entity. Hell, the Ravens beat the Pats at home last week. But you know what? They'll get beat up in Gilette in the playoffs when everyone hops on Baltimore thinking they're better than they are. Either bet SF here or don't play the game.
Thanks for posting your thoughts/analysis. As you can tell, I agree. Now add the psychological angle to everything you said, and we have a big play.
BB are you concerned about Kittle’s status? He might not play.
Can't lie. Yes I am. But I'll be shocked if he doesn't play. He is as tough as they come and he is the heart and soul of this team, and their best player on offense.
All those who have not placed a wager on this game, wait until Kittles status is confirmed. If he does not play, you'll at least get a better line. And if he does play, the line won't matter.
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Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:
BB are you concerned about Kittle’s status? He might not play.
Can't lie. Yes I am. But I'll be shocked if he doesn't play. He is as tough as they come and he is the heart and soul of this team, and their best player on offense.
All those who have not placed a wager on this game, wait until Kittles status is confirmed. If he does not play, you'll at least get a better line. And if he does play, the line won't matter.
Miners have no business having a football team! Playing the bottom feeders of the nfl to get a undefeated record! What a joke! No QB, weak oline, poor long snapper, Seahawks will destroy them
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Miners have no business having a football team! Playing the bottom feeders of the nfl to get a undefeated record! What a joke! No QB, weak oline, poor long snapper, Seahawks will destroy them
I enjoyed your write up, I can tell you as a 49er fan since the early 70's when Seattle whipped us, I quit being a Forty Niner fan. That was the end for me when I witnessed a group of players wearing our logo with no pride or fight in them. I had enough. In our history we always came back and beat teams that beat us, it was marked on our calendar. I could remember crying in the 80's when we had a ruffing the passer call on us against the Redskins that ended our season, the following year on MNF we avenged the loss by beating up the Redskins, I even made the newspapers celebrating so hard. My bloodline was Forty Niner Gold. Like you said in 2014 under Harbrough the Forty Niners didn't have a clue to what protecting your turf was about, we started drafting total knuckleheads and of course the York family had a lot to do with our franchise going left. I still don't like the York family. Surprisingly the 49er's turned things around I'm still not excited, why? because one of our guys never punched Richard Sherman in the mouth, my old Niner's would've laid him out for running his mouth and for all those other theatrics he did, again the Niners had no heart or pride. I'm old school it's not the money you play for it's the pride. When I played football growing up I played on a lot of crappy teams, even when we got the brakes beaten off of us I had guys from the other teams make their way over to me and say "hey number 21, you played your ass off man!" that was respect. The Forty Niners will have to earn my respect and that will most likely take years to do, I can't see myself rooting for them while the York family is in ownership. Inside I'm happy for them, but my memory of them being bitch slapped by Seattle still stings. We owe them a major embarrassing beat down, maybe last week they were looking ahead to this game? I highly doubt that with all the distractions today with social media. I'm not close to the organization any longer so I can't get a feel on what or how their thinking is towards this MNF game I will say my money will probably go towards the Niners because this beating has been on my mental black board for years. Where is Ronnie Lott when you need him?
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I enjoyed your write up, I can tell you as a 49er fan since the early 70's when Seattle whipped us, I quit being a Forty Niner fan. That was the end for me when I witnessed a group of players wearing our logo with no pride or fight in them. I had enough. In our history we always came back and beat teams that beat us, it was marked on our calendar. I could remember crying in the 80's when we had a ruffing the passer call on us against the Redskins that ended our season, the following year on MNF we avenged the loss by beating up the Redskins, I even made the newspapers celebrating so hard. My bloodline was Forty Niner Gold. Like you said in 2014 under Harbrough the Forty Niners didn't have a clue to what protecting your turf was about, we started drafting total knuckleheads and of course the York family had a lot to do with our franchise going left. I still don't like the York family. Surprisingly the 49er's turned things around I'm still not excited, why? because one of our guys never punched Richard Sherman in the mouth, my old Niner's would've laid him out for running his mouth and for all those other theatrics he did, again the Niners had no heart or pride. I'm old school it's not the money you play for it's the pride. When I played football growing up I played on a lot of crappy teams, even when we got the brakes beaten off of us I had guys from the other teams make their way over to me and say "hey number 21, you played your ass off man!" that was respect. The Forty Niners will have to earn my respect and that will most likely take years to do, I can't see myself rooting for them while the York family is in ownership. Inside I'm happy for them, but my memory of them being bitch slapped by Seattle still stings. We owe them a major embarrassing beat down, maybe last week they were looking ahead to this game? I highly doubt that with all the distractions today with social media. I'm not close to the organization any longer so I can't get a feel on what or how their thinking is towards this MNF game I will say my money will probably go towards the Niners because this beating has been on my mental black board for years. Where is Ronnie Lott when you need him?
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